Jnani vs Bhaktha in front of Mata Amritanandamayi

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Hari OM!

 

Dear all,

 

There was an argument between two girls infront of Mata Amritanadamayi when

she visited US (Iowa last summer).

 

The Jnani Girl argued: that Maya attacks even the advanced spiritual

aspirant causing him to fall away from his path.

 

But the Bhakta Gril argued:Bhakthas because of their simple attitudes they

will have less trials and turbulations in life, A Devotee holds on to the

GOD always thinking about him that HE/SHE is everything, and I am nothing,

but for a Jnani he is having the attitude of everything is in me and it

provocates hidden ego.For the Bhakta the attitude of I am nothing, will

eventually wipe out the ego, The Path of the Jnani is more ardous, and

vulnareable and it is a Razor's edge!, The Jnani's ego will get lot of blows

and he has to walk the path in his strength of dedication and self

discipline.

 

The Jnani argued: You mean to say the GOD favours Bhaktha more than a Jnani

it is not so it is impossible. Because in Srimad Bhagwad Geetha the Lord

Said Jnani is the most nearest and I like them the most.

 

And two of them asked Ammachi for the verdict.

 

Ammachi said: GOD is not partial and showers HIS grace equally on all.

 

A Jnani is like a child sitting on the floor and drinking milk from the

bottle

 

A Bhaktha is like a child who sits on his Mother's lap and feeds on her

milk. The Mother had to hold this child falling from her lap, But the Mother

will still watch the child on the floor with the equal and more amount of

care, love and attention.

 

OM Amriteswariye Namaha!

 

With Love & OM!

 

Krishna Prasad

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--

Krishna Prasad

 

.. Yad yad aacarati sreshtah, tad tad eva itaro janah. As the Gita puts it,

consistency of purpose and a spirit of dedication and, if necessary,

sacrifice, should characterize the new spirit.

We Must - Swami Chinmayanada

 

 

 

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Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99 wrote: Hari OM!

 

Dear all,

 

There was an argument between two girls infront of Mata Amritanadamayi when

she visited US (Iowa last summer).

 

From

Sankarraman

 

But Bakthi or Jnana can be pursued by the individuals based

only on their mental constitution. A lot of emotion is needed for Bakthi. For

the path of Jnana a different approach is necessary. It is a misconception that

the path of jnana is intellectual. The intellect is only superficial. Jnana

demands the very penetration of the structure of thought for which a holistic

perception is necessary. Ramakrishna was a bit allergic to the path of jnana,

having decried the work of Nischaladas, Vicharasagara, the simple exposition of

which was given by Bhaghavn Ramana. I think the saints of South India,

especially the Saivaite saints and siddhas, are more attuned towards the jnana

aspect.The writings of Thayumanavar, Tirumular, Sivavakyar, Gunankudi Mastan,

Dakshinamurthy Swamigal of Tiruvarur, Pattinathar and in recent times saint

Vallalar, are full of jnana ideas, these saints having been rebels in their

utterances.

 

with warm regards

Sankarraman

 

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Hari OM!

 

Dear Sankarramanji,

 

You Wrote:

 

But Bakthi or Jnana can be pursued by the individuals based only on their

mental constitution. A lot of emotion is needed for Bakthi. For the path of

Jnana a different approach is necessary. It is a misconception that the

path of jnana is intellectual. The intellect is only superficial. Jnana

demands the very penetration of the structure of thought for which a

holistic perception is necessary.

 

Answer:

 

And the conversation is between two teenage youths, so as per their level of

understanding the answer is given.

 

Yes, Jnana is not intellectual, Jnana is beyond intellect, we can have

intellectual exercises to have Jnana.

 

RamaKrishna Mission: definition of Jnana

 

 

*Jnana yoga* is the yoga of knowledge—not knowledge in the intellectual

sense—but the knowledge of Brahman and Atman and the realization of their

unity. Where the devotee of God follows the promptings of the heart, the

jnani uses the powers of the mind to discriminate between the real and the

unreal, the permanent and the transitory.

 

http://www.vedanta.org/wiv/practice/yogas/jnana.html

 

And for Bhakthi though it seems emotional that is to satisfy the low level

emotions one have, Bhakthi is not really emotional, this is a kind of

substitution for the low level emotional over flow, eventually Bhakthi is

Jnana in essence.

 

With Love & OM!

 

Krishna Prasad

 

 

 

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KP !

 

here is what swwmi Vivekananda says

 

" Bhakti yoga: "The person who aspires to be a bhakta must be

cheerful. In the Western world, the idea of a religious man is that

he never smiles, that a dark cloud must always hang over his face,

which, again, must be long-drawn, with the jaws almost collapsed.

People with emaciated bodies and long faces are fit subjects for the

physician, they are not yogis. It is the cheerful mind that can

persevere. It is the strong mind that can hew its way through a

thousand difficulties."

....

"All the different kinds of love we see in the world have God as the

one goal. Unfortunately, we do not know the infinite Ocean into which

this mighty river of love is constantly flowing.... God is the one

goal of all our passions."

 

in bhakti marga there is 'Passion for one's chsoen ishta nishta but

when bhakti matures , passion turns into 'compassion' for all of

God's creation!

 

that is why it is so important that a bhakta should proceed beyong

the 'gowni' stage , otherwise it will turn into Fanaticism as pointed

out by sada-ji! in both para bhakti and para jnana , there is the

divine cosmic union of theivatma with the paramatma! I respect a

great bhakta Sri Madhusudana saraswati in the same way i which i

honor an adwaitic guru like narayana guru!

 

 

yes , your understanding of 'jnana' is right on target !

 

love recognizing love

 

bhakti is ALSO sat-chit-ananda upon fruition!