Bhakti and Jnana---------- Ninda Sthuthi!

[Guest guest]

Sri Ram-ji comments :

 

( Let me join Sri Chittha to congratulate you for making the statement

of the day!)

 

Thank you, kindly sir!

 

Then, Sri Ramji goes on to add

 

( In everyone of your recent posts, you have made some excellent

observations along with bunch of unnecessary and unrelated materials

that have nothing to do with your point of contention. If need to

drink a glass of milk, we will not dilute the milk with a bottle of

water. )

 

Yes, You are ABSOLUTELY correct. i do have a tendency to go off at a

tangent. one of the 'eccentricities' of a bhakta mind! smile ! Thanx

anyway for your constructive criticism.

 

You have, however, brought up a very interesting point- This is

called 'Ninda Sthuti' - That of praising someone by also criticizing

that person! This technique was very effectively employed in Bhakti

Literature .

 

Saint Thyagarajar, the great composer of Karnatic music , in one of his

kritis(MAnamu LEDHA)addresses Sri Ramachandra Bhagwan thus :

 

O Father of Lava and Kusa! Don't you have any

shame? Do not you have any affection for me

as one belonging to You? It is rare to see some one

like you, who have no attachment and who are

hard hearted.

 

Goda Devi( also known as Andaal)complains to her friends about her

beloved (SRI RANGANATHAR)in His Krishna Avatar thus :

 

"In the Brindavan he gathered into his arms one cowherdess and

condemned another to the sorrow of disappointment. His partiality

towards Radha is well known. Why should he thus torture us all the

time?"

 

You will note that Andaal is criticizing Sri Krishna in public but in

private She pines for the very vision of her Lord !

 

Just some thoughts!

 

Our beloved Professor VKji has mentioned about 'Ninda Sthuthi' in

Paramacharya's Discourses on Soundaryalahari (DPDS-46) (i think)

 

with regards

[Guest guest]

Namaste Sri Adimaji:

 

Thanks for another thought provoking observation from you. In life we

do play multiple roles at the same time. In the list, I do play the

role as a member and I also play the role as a moderator of the

list. As a member, I admire your enthusiasm, devotion and the

messages with filled with Bhakti. But as a moderator of the list, my

responsibility calls me to provide my observations on the posted

message. Though it may appear as a `Ninda Sthuti,' it is only an

illusion!

 

During my childhood, my grandmother used to recite this Tamil

Prayer: "ullondru vaithu puram ondru pesuvaar uravu kalavaamai

vendum," and ask me and brothers to repeat this at least once every

day. Here is an approximate translation of this verse – "Avoid

contact with those who speak outwardly using words but inwardly curse

you" Actually, what my grandmother expected from me was not to praise

someone outwardly and within inside think ill of that person. Since

I greatly value her advice, I do try my level best to not to commit

that offense. I hope that I explained my position.

 

Warmest regards,

 

Ram Chandran

 

advaitin, "adi_shakthi16" <adi_shakthi16>

wrote:

> You have, however, brought up a very interesting point- This is

> called 'Ninda Sthuti' - That of praising someone by also

criticizing

> that person! This technique was very effectively employed in Bhakti

> Literature .

>

[Guest guest]

Dearest Sri Ramji:

 

I believe what you are telling Sri Adimaji is that you express the way

you feel in an honest way without any malice towards anyone.

We all know that and love and respect you for that. I think Adiji is the

same way as well. I can say that about all members here. We are in the

presence of great souls.

 

There are bound to be a few differences here and there among friends.

What are friends for? :-).

 

Love and respect for all

Harsha

 

Ram Chandran wrote:

> Namaste Sri Adimaji:

>

> Thanks for another thought provoking observation from you. In life we

> do play multiple roles at the same time. In the list, I do play the

> role as a member and I also play the role as a moderator of the

> list. As a member, I admire your enthusiasm, devotion and the

> messages with filled with Bhakti. But as a moderator of the list, my

> responsibility calls me to provide my observations on the posted

> message. Though it may appear as a `Ninda Sthuti,' it is only an

> illusion!

>

> During my childhood, my grandmother used to recite this Tamil

> Prayer: "ullondru vaithu puram ondru pesuvaar uravu kalavaamai

> vendum," and ask me and brothers to repeat this at least once every

> day. Here is an approximate translation of this verse – "Avoid

> contact with those who speak outwardly using words but inwardly curse

> you" Actually, what my grandmother expected from me was not to praise

> someone outwardly and within inside think ill of that person. Since

> I greatly value her advice, I do try my level best to not to commit

> that offense. I hope that I explained my position.

>

> Warmest regards,

>

> Ram Chandran

>