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Namaste all...

 

In view of the recent topics brought up in the forum, certain

fundamental issues come to mind. I must add that i am no scholar etc, but i

do have a clear view on the outlines of the topics raised, not so much as a

specific problem of hinduism, but as a problem of mass communication of

spiritual pursuit and precedents. Again i add that this is only my take on

the subject, and i add this now so i don't have to add it in the start of

every sentence. Not only am i saying this as a non-Hindu western person, but

i am saying all this as someone that goes by the gut feelings first and

foremost.

 

First and foremost, a subtle link has to be made, which seems to have

been forgotten time and time again, and it feels that most of these

unsolvable quarrels are due to the overlooking of these particular aspect.

In one discussion that appeared in this very list, it seemed almost

consensual that religious conversion is moral violence. Why is that so?

Because given specific sets of parameters, outside biased concepts,

expositions etc, noticeably of the extroverts, are forced inward towards the

core of the being, generating a gutted extrovert, deprived of interior

consensus, peace of mind, spiritual evolution etc. All that's left is an

irrational pile of dogmatic cognition that bares no resemblance with the

human that once inhabited that BMi complex.

 

We have to be mindful enough to discern that cognition does not

functions individually alone. It also functions collectively, adding to the

picture the view of the apparent individual through the eyes of those who

surround him. These applies to the discussion truth/untruth also. Internal

truths are unquestioned, simply because truth is nothing more than logical

(or factual) conclusion. Outward spoken truth is not valid, as a means with

no end. Living by these standards solves the puzzle "should we tell the

truth all the time?". We abide in truth, but we only answer to what we are

asked. This is a good time to say that preaching is invalid as a means to

higher truth. Preaching begins at the emissary, who will never be able to

validate what he says or otherwise, simply because outward spoken truth is a

means with no end. The receiver finds the end suitable to him alone, that's

also why the order (preaching versus seeking truth) is all that matters.

Isn't this the core of the apprentice/guru relationship? In the case of

satsangha, the order shifts when those who state also wait for the replies

so that collective cognition reflects angles that were previously not seen

by the emissary. When the emissary starts to disregard replies, satsangh

loses its purpose, everyone speaks, nobody listens. And a crowd shouts

outward spoken truths, all means with no end.

 

As i said in another message, religion in latin means "to reconnect".

Advaitins dive into advaita because they sense the connection (through

whatever means, logic, feeling etc). If the connection is not lost, advaita

is not religion. Outward spoken truths and preaching is necessary for

religion alone. Matters that concern the exterior of the individual, such as

caste etc, are obviously exterior only matters. In view of exterior,

collective cognition, it is possible to infer that such matters are only

taken up to protect the body of the work. But have no relation to the

content. Staring at the exterior, collectively aimed frame of the work,

equals leveling the subject with religion. Again, just a means with no end.

Or should we say "I am brahman, the brahmin" instead of "aham brahma asmi"?

What is the logic behind genetics and race when we take all this to be but

one? Dwelling on the exterior means that that's where we'll stay. Again,

this is the same discussion we had under the subject "is advaita for

sannyasis only?".

 

Unfortunately, this is an all time low for the short couple of months

that i've read all (yes, all) messages that have been posted. Should the

learned members in this group wash away all the intellectual filth,

discursive thoughts in endless circles, outward spoken truths as means with

no end excuses for satsangha, with meaningfull posts, so that we can take

back the tracks to interior, eternal, all pervading truth.

 

My warmest regards on this low ebb of divine kmowledge...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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