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Dear Advaitins,

 

Namaste,

 

I am hearing the lectures given by H.H. Swami

Paramarthananda Saraswati on Brahma Sutras based on

Sri Shakara Bhashya.

 

There he tells that the transaltion of satchidananda

into existence,knowlege and bliss is not correct. He

says that it should be translated as Existence,

Knowledge and Infinity.

 

I am quite agreeable to his explanation that all the

bliss experienced including the mystical happiness

comes under the perview of the anandamaya kosa. This

doubt i had in mind earlier also. If there is total

cessation of all the mental qualities how can there be

chance of experiencing bliss which he also reiterated.

But in some books i read that it should be taken as

indivisible satchidananda and ananda should not be

taken as an attribute but the very nature of the self.

I feel this explanation is not quite satisfactory.

 

He also gives another interesting point that if we

translate the ananda into happiness in the strict

sense one has to plunge onself into samadhi to

experience joy and this his swamiji says that it is

one of the biggest mistake.

 

If we take the translation as infinate all these

contradictory explanations is resolved. And he opines

that if it is translated as infinate it also means

that we are that already. Which is reiteration of Tat

Twam Asi. and we need not to try for it.

 

But my question is can it be gramatically proved.

Because it is the first time i am hearing this

explanation and as far as my exposure to the books on

advaita philosophy is concerned nowhere i have found

this translation.

 

Can anybody help in this regard?

 

HARI OM TAT SAT,

 

Yours in the Lord,

 

Br. Vinayaka.

 

 

 

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Br Vns:

 

You might have heard this the first time but it is nothing new.

 

Have you not heard of the statement from Taittriya

Upanishad where Brahman is described as

 

Satyam Jnanam Anantam Brahman

 

Brahman is of the nature of Truth, Knowledge and Infinity.

 

Satchidananda means -Truth-Consciousness-Bliss.

 

This truth is Brahman which is Infinite ( Anantam- no end) and

therefore it is full of bliss and consciousness. This is the Eternal

truth.

 

The oft quoted Shanti Matra from the upanishads also reiterates the

Infinity of Brahman.

 

purnamadah purnamidam purnaat purnamudachyate

purnasya purnaamadaya purnameva vashishyate

 

What is Purma ? That which is complete and also infinite.

 

 

Om Shanti! Om Shanti! Om Shantihi!

 

PS

 

 

 

 

 

>> If we take the translation as infinate all these

> contradictory explanations is resolved. And he opines

> that if it is translated as infinate it also means

> that we are that already. Which is reiteration of Tat

> Twam Asi. and we need not to try for it.

>

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--- Purusha <purush_artha wrote:

> Ref post 29698

>

> Satyam Jnanam Anantam Brahman

>

> Brahman is of the nature of Truth, Knowledge and

> Infinity.

>

> Satchidananda means -Truth-Consciousness-Bliss.

>

> This truth is Brahman which is Infinite ( Anantam-

> no end) and

> therefore it is full of bliss and consciousness.

 

Dear Sir,

 

Ofcourse yes i have heard the aforementioned mantra

anantam is infinity no doubt. But Swami

Paramarthanandaji tells that ananda should not be

translated into bliss and it should be translated as

infinaty i am specifially asking my doubt regarding

this.

 

Can you make the aformentioned quote of yours little

more clear? why bliss should be the product of

infinity? There is an upanishadic statement which says

bhooma sukham (wordings are incorrect probably) the

meaning is that which is infinite alone produces

happiness.But the question is if we take bliss again

the question of experiencer and the experienced will

come which comes under the perview of duality.

 

HARI OM TAT SAT

 

Yours in the lord,

 

Br. Vinayaka

 

 

 

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advaitin, br_vinayaka <vinayaka_ns>

wrote:

>

>

why bliss should be the product of

> infinity? There is an upanishadic statement which says

> bhooma sukham (wordings are incorrect probably) the

> meaning is that which is infinite alone produces

> happiness.But the question is if we take bliss again

> the question of experiencer and the experienced will

> come which comes under the perview of duality.

 

Namaste,

 

The following passages (Sw. K.'s excellent commentary not

included) may answer the question.

 

http://www.swami-krishnananda.org/chhand/ch_3e.html

 

 

The Chhandogya Upanishad

by

Swami Krishnananda

The Divine Life Society

Sivananda Ashram, Rishikesh, India

 

CHAPTER THREE

 

SANATKUMARA'S INSTRUCTIONS ON BHUMA-VIDYA

 

Section 22

Happiness

1. Yada vai sukham labhate'tha karoti, nasukham labdhva karoli,

sukham eva labdhva karoti, sukham tveva vijijnasitavyam, iti,

sukham, bhagavah, vijijnasa iti.

"Well, O Narada, I tell you, nothing can be done unless it is

propelled by happiness. Everywhere you will find happiness is the

object of every kind of aspiration, activity, desire or enterprise.

You will find, prior to everything conceivable, there is the

presence of happiness. Everyone, irrespective of the character of

one's individuality, tries to be, to act and to conduct oneself in

different ways, because of this happiness. You must know what

happiness is. It is this that is the propelling force behind

everything in creation,"

 

 

Section 23

The Infinite

1. Yo vai bhuma tat sukham, nalpe sukham asti, bhumaiva sukham,

bhuma tveva vijijnasitavya iti, bhumanam, bagavah, vijijnasa iti.

"Happiness is plenum, happiness is completeness, happiness is

the totality, happiness is in the Absolute,"

 

 

 

Regards,

 

Sunder

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Purusha <purush_artha wrote: Ref post 29698

 

Br Vns:

 

You might have heard this the first time but it is nothing new.

 

Have you not heard of the statement from Taittriya

Upanishad where Brahman is described as

 

Satyam Jnanam Anantam Brahman

 

----------------------

Where does this "Satyam Jnanam Anantham" comes in Taitriya Upanishad?

Shikshavalli?/Nrayanavali?/Anandavalli?--can you please post the original text

reference? Please verify in which Upanishad it is stated(seeds of Advaitha

Philosophy)futher nurtured by Acharyas Gouda Bhagavad Paatha/Govinda Bhagavad

Paadha and further expanded by Acharya sri Sankara Bhagavad Pataha---

"Satyam,Gjnaanam,Anantam,Nityam,Mana Aakasam,Paramaakasam-Gosta

Braangana,Reengana,Lolamana Aayasam,Paramaayasam"-Acharya Sankara's verse has

double meaning-Rajagpalan

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Pranams SSRVJ:

 

You ask:

 

(Where does this "Satyam Jnanam Anantham" comes in Taitriya

Upanishad? Shikshavalli?/Nrayanavali?/Anandavalli?--can you please

post the original text reference?)

 

This verse is from Taittriya upanishad, Chapter II, verse 2 -

Anandavalli - Brahmanandavalli.

 

Here is the sanskrit version

 

"Satyam Jnanamanantam Brahma. Yo veda nihitam guhayam Parame Vyoman.

Soshnute sarvan kaman saha Brahmana Vipashchiteti"( Taittriya up -

II,2)

 

One who realises Brahman attains the Supreme. For it is

declared that Brahman is Existence, Knowledge and

Infinite. He who finds Brahman within the secret recesses

of his own heart will have no further want as

he will have attained everything.

 

Anandam is also Anantam and What is Anantam is also Ananda. Bliss

and Infinite are thus coexistent. That is the nature of Brahman.

 

As for the second part of your question, I do not have the answer

although I recognize the lines

 

Your version:

 

"Satyam,Gjnaanam,Anantam,Nityam,Mana Aakasam,Paramaakasam-Gosta

Braangana,Reengana,Lolamana Aayasam,Paramaayasam"

 

These lines are from Shankara's Govindashtakam

 

Satyam gnanamanantam nityamanaakaasam paramaakaasam

goshThapraangaNaringkhaNalolamanaayaasam paramaayaasam

maayaakalpitanaanaakaaram bhuvanaakaaram

kshmaamaa naathamanaatham praNamata govindam paramaanandam

 

Worship Govinda who is supreme bliss, real, knowledge, infinite, and

eternal, who is free from Ákása (and other upádhis), who is the

highest light, who was eager as a child to crawl in the cow-pen, who

is really free from difficulties, but who appears to be in

difficulties (or who is the abode of máyá, cause of all), who appears

manifold due to máyá, who appears as the world, who is the Lord of

the earth and Sri, and who has no Lord to control him.

 

Explain the double meaning.

 

Regards

 

PS

 

 

advaitin, Rajagopalan Somayaji <ssrvj>

wrote:

>

> Where does this "Satyam Jnanam Anantham" comes in Taitriya

Upanishad? Shikshavalli?/Nrayanavali?/Anandavalli?--can you please

post the original text reference? Please verify in which Upanishad it

is stated(seeds of Advaitha Philosophy)futher nurtured by Acharyas

Gouda Bhagavad Paatha/Govinda Bhagavad Paadha and further expanded by

Acharya sri Sankara Bhagavad Pataha---

"Satyam,Gjnaanam,Anantam,Nityam,Mana Aakasam,Paramaakasam-Gosta

Braangana,Reengana,Lolamana Aayasam,Paramaayasam"-Acharya Sankara's

verse has double meaning-Rajagpalan

>

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> ref post 29717

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> Here is the sanskrit version

>

> "Satyam Jnanamanantam Brahma. Yo veda nihitam

> guhayam Parame Vyoman.

> Soshnute sarvan kaman saha Brahmana Vipashchiteti"(

> Taittriya up -

> II,2)

>

> One who realises Brahman attains the

> Supreme. For it is

> declared that Brahman is Existence,

> Knowledge and

> Infinite. He who finds Brahman within the

> secret recesses

> of his own heart will have no further

> want as

> he will have attained everything.

>

> Anandam is also Anantam and What is Anantam is also

> Ananda. Bliss

> and Infinite are thus coexistent. That is the nature

> of Brahman.

 

Dear Purusha Ji,

 

Namaste,

 

Your interpretation of the upanishadik statement is

true. But only one objection one raised is as to

anantam=ananda. Swami Praramarthanandaji quotes his

guru's words ( Swami Dayananda Saraswati) who tells

that this is the biggest mistake that has been

committed. He says ananda shabda related to atman

should be translated as infinitude or wholeness and

should not be translated as bliss.

 

I came across Swami Vivekananda's words in this matter

who was foremost to deliver discourses in english. He

says that i am translating ananda into bliss because

of constraint due to which exact translation is not

possible. He says that nearest meaning would be

eternal consiousness which is nothing but the infinite

self. There is a blurred but a very significant

differentiation.

 

HARI OM TAT SAT

 

Yours in the Lord,

 

Br. Vinayaka.

 

 

 

 

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Pranams Br. Vns:

 

This is not my interpretation. This verse 'Satyam Jnanam Anantam

Brahman' is taken from Taittriya Upanishad ( chapter II, verse 2) .

This chapter is called Anandavalli.

 

In the same Upanishad ( Taittriya) in Bhriguvalli, Brahman is 'Bliss'

or Anandam. ( III-6). There is an interesting story in this chapter

where Sage Varuna gives spiritual instructions to his Son, Bhrighu

regarding the five koshas and asks him to do 'tapas' with the

words 'Tapo Brahmaethi'.

 

At the end of meditation session, Bhrigu would ask his father 'Is

Annam (food) brahman' ? Is 'Prana' ( life force) Brahman ?

Is 'manas' (thought) Bhraman? 'Is 'Vignana' ( intelligence) Brahman?

etc. But his father Varuna would always tell his son to go and

practice contemplation more with the same words' 'Tapo Brahmaethi'.

One day , Bhrighu did not come back to his father with any

questions. That day, Varuna approached his son who was sitting in a

meditative pose, so blissful and so radiant , so luminous - the face

of a Brahma jnani . Thus, Bhrighu realized that 'Bliss is Brahman' (

anandam).

 

 

For a Brahma-jnani ( which includes all the self-realized Swamis) the

fountain of joy is in the cavity of the heart. That is the Joy of

realizing the Infinite, which is the Self.

 

One who has realized the ultimate truth is always Blissful.

 

In the same Upanishad, Brahman is defined as 'Satyam Jnanam Anantam

Brahman' ( II-2) and ' Brahman is Anandam' ( iii-6)

 

Swami chinamayananda quotes this verse while describing the Bliss of

Brahman- What is Anantam is also Anandam.

 

Regards

 

PS

 

advaitin, br_vinayaka <vinayaka_ns> wrote:

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