Guest guest Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 Ref POst :29733 CN writes : (Brahman was the yoni, the womb, of the universe. ) Some member out there may question with what authority You have to state this, CN? Two quotes from Bhagwat Gita support your statement in these verses: BG 14.3 mama yonir mahad brahma tasmin garbham dadhamy aham sam bhavah sarva-bhutanam tato bhavati bharata The total material substance, called Brahman, is the source of birth, and it is that Brahman that I impregnate, making possible the births of all living beings, O son of Bharata. 14.4 sarva-yonisu kaunteya murtayah sambhavanti yah tasam brahma mahad yonir aham biJa-pradah pita It should be understood that all species of life, O son of Kunti, are made possible by birth in this material nature, and that I am the seed-giving father. CN, You are speaking from the platform of Scriptural authority when you talk about the ' creating power of Brahman. ' I think it is also mentioned in Brihadaranyaka upanishad- 'Brahmayoni' - the womb of Brahman. A new member has asked what is the use of all these discussions. When I posed that question in the very beginning ( to which Felipe Crema objected), it was merely a Rhetorical question. I was not being impertinent or negative as he seemed to imply. The scripture being the source of right knowledge. (sastrayonitvat), That is why it is said see 'everything through the eyes of the scriptures.) ( shastrasyachakshuyu) CN, you are absolutely correct when you state " Brahman is forever growing beyond the horizons of the grasping mind. " How can then this 'Brahman' be grasped ? CN, have you read Bhattathiri's 'Narayeeniyam'? In the very first verse, the entire vedanta is summed up. Bhattathiri describes all the 'swarupa' lakshanas of Lord Guruvayuraapan by describing the Lord as 'sat-chit- ananda' , 'satyam jnanam anantam', as 'aja' , as 'bhuman' etc in some of the verses. All these terms are used in the various upanishads to describe the Absolute Truth that is Brahman. Aja ( the unborn) in chandogya upanishads. Bhuman fronm the same upanishads. Satyam-jnanam- anantam and Brahman as Anandam from Taittriya upanishads. tO KNOW THE Impersonal Brahman ( with tataksha lakshanas) , one needs to have the grace of God ( or god as Guru or guru as god) with swarupa lakshanas. (a note to BR. Vinayaka - Bhuman is Brahman and in realizing Him lies the ultimate happiness. Swami Chunmayananda a self realized soul, knows this and that is why he is equating Brahman with anandam) There is no conflict between Anantam that is Brahman and anandam that is Brahman. The soul sings raprturously in all instance in rrealizing the eternal Truth. Cn, you have discussed about Vikshepa shakti, avarna shakti but what about Devatma shakti? Explore this . IN One post, you say the 'sankyas say the color red is colorless' But , the red color is not colorless to shaktas. She is 'Aruna' - the red color of the Bright, luminous, efflugent Sun ( aditya) - She is also the 'aditi' of the vedas. Red also represents the rajo guna of 'passion'. She is sarvagunatimika . She is also Gunatita. She is Tattwamayi.(all the 36 cosmic principles including the Sadashiva tattwa) Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 Namaste Purushartha-ji In message 29746 you say: " A new member has asked what is the use of all these discussions. When I posed that question in the very beginning ( to which Felipe Crema objected), it was merely a Rhetorical question. I was not being impertinent or negative as he seemed to imply. " I was not implying, i was saying out of a spontaneous feeling i got from reading your post. In a context where non-verbal communication is absent, such as this, one has to rely solely on the perception of how sentences are phrased and which particular words are used to connect them, thus making it difficult to convey feelings other than ideas. If i am mistaken about you i am sorry, but what i got from you was what i said. Also that is irrelevant now, wether you decided to move alongside just now, as there is room for improvement, or if it was your intention all along, doesn't changes the fact that i get something different from you now. I am glad that you (as well as i) see yourself as an addition to this list and hope that you see this list as an addition to yourself as well. As of now, it seems to be an appropriate time to add one single thought, which has been forever with me, and given what "The Ignorant" has said in message 29741 seems to be completely in context. I hope i do not get mistaken for an arrogant fool, who only regards his own gifts and seems to deem himself as the greatest asset the world haves (given that i most certainly acknowledge my own wide ignorance in such profound subjects) when i quote Lao Tzu, saying: "He who is better than someone, is worst than everyone else." My warmest regards, and call me Felipe... _____ doce lar. Faça do sua homepage. http://br./homepageset.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 Ref Post 29747 : Namaste Felipe , (I am glad that you (as well as i) see yourself as an addition to this list and hope that you see this list as an addition to yourself as well.) This List is definitely 'One without a Second' where the on going discussions are scholarly, informative and interesting. Above all, it is Addidctive as there is so much 'substance' in all the posts. ( any pun intended is unintentional) As far as Message 29741 is concerned, I do not think Member Anirudda is ignorant. Kuntimada Sadananda understood Anirudda and took his post as a signal for help and provided a brilliant response. Felipe, I would also recommend you to access one of the links provided by the moderators - the series of articles on many facets of Advaita by Krishna Aiyer - they are easy to understand and serve as a ready reference. BTW , you are neither arrogant nor are you a fool. Atma Ninda is bad. We are all 'divine' and some know it and others are striving to know it. You seem to like Lao Tzu , is not Taoism also Advaita? Was it not Lao Tzu who said " Knowing others is wissdom ; knowing oneself is enlightenment.?" I still think you should take up CN's offer to write your own thoughts on this subject and it is always refreshing to read different approaches. CN is right when he says he learned more about Advaita after reading Ramanuja. So did i. I learned more about Hinduism after reading the Bible. The kingdom of God is within you - is that not advaita ? Felipe, I share with you these lines from Kena upanishad where Brahman is referred to as 'Tadvana' "The eye does not reach there, nor speech, nor mind, nor do we know (Its mature). Therefore we don't know how to impart instruction (about It). Distinct indeed is That from the known and distinct from the unknown. Thus have we heard from the ancients who expounded It to us." All words are superflous to describe something that is indescribable. I am glad we are part of this holy sangha and even a frog benefits from swimming in Holy Ganga . Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 Namaste Sri Purusharthaji, advaitin, "Purusha" <purush_artha> wrote: > tO KNOW THE Impersonal Brahman ( with tataksha lakshanas), > one needs to have the grace of God ( or god as Guru or > guru as god) with swarupa lakshanas. I bow to this statement. > Cn, you have discussed about Vikshepa shakti, avarna shakti > but what about Devatma shakti? Explore this . I am afraid I don't know where to start. Can you please lead me to some text to begin the exploration? > But , the red color is not colorless to shaktas. > She is 'Aruna' - the red color of the Bright, luminous, > efflugent Sun ( aditya) - She is also the 'aditi' of the > vedas. Red also represents the rajo guna of 'passion'. > She is sarvagunatimika . She is also Gunatita. She is > Tattwamayi.(all the 36 cosmic principles including the > Sadashiva tattwa) Purusharthaji, these words seep into my heart, they are so beautiful! Warm regards, Chittaranjan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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