Brahman - Revelation and Confusion

January 10, 2006

Namaste Sri Chittaji:

Refer your post 29781

I have changed the subject title so that it will help us to focus on

the Brahman instead of using our own manifested names!

Thanks for the clarifications,

Warmest regards,

Ram Chandran

Note: I was just trying to point out that the 'logic' and

the 'language' that are used to explain the 'Brahman' may become the

barrier for our liberation!

advaitin, "Chittaranjan Naik"

<chittaranjan_naik> wrote:

January 10, 2006

Hari OM!

Dear Ramji,

I have one doubt, if we cannot explain Brahman by logic or language then

what is the use of saying there is Brahman itself, we can always say it is

un-explainable so it is better not to explain by logic or language.

And even if we try to explain it how can it become a barrier for our

liberation, it should help us more toward liberation, this is my view Sir,

please clarify.

With Love & OM!

Krishna Prasad

On 1/10/06, Ram Chandran <ramvchandran wrote:

>

> Namaste Sri Chittaji:

>

> Warmest regards,

>

> Ram Chandran

>

> Note: I was just trying to point out that the 'logic' and

> the 'language' that are used to explain the 'Brahman' may become the

> barrier for our liberation!

>

--

Krishna Prasad

.. Yad yad aacarati sreshtah, tad tad eva itaro janah. As the Gita puts it,

consistency of purpose and a spirit of dedication and, if necessary,

sacrifice, should characterize the new spirit.

We Must

THE CULTURED GIVES HAPPINESS WHEREVER THEY GO, THE UN-CULTURED WHENEVER THEY

GO!

- Swami Chinmayanada

January 10, 2006

Namaste dear Sri Krishna Prasad:

Your point is well taken and we may have to use logic and language to

explain 'our own understanding of Brahman.' Our own understanding of

the Brahman is limited and consequently our logic and language will

not provide the complete explanation. Others are likely confused for

the same reason! The famous statments such as "Brahman only knows the

BrahmanThe Field and knower of the field are the same" etc.

confirm this assertion. Ramana Maharishi calls knowing the Brahman

as "Self Enquiry" and whenever a visitor asks him a question, he

symbplically replies with a silence indicating, that the answer is

within oneself.

Currently, we have the Gita Satsangh on chapter 10 and Lord Krishna

himself declares why Arjuna should hear the "Divine Glories" directly

from Him instead of hearing from Devas, Rishis and great sages.

In conclusion, Brahman is unexplainable but it is within the boundary

of our understanding! It is like saying, a Jiva Mukta can't describe

why he is a Jivanmukta! Self-realization is like going to the

Black-Hole, once you are in, you can't tell others how you got in

because you become merged within!

Warmest regards,

Ram Chandran

advaitin, Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99@g...>

wrote:

>

> Hari OM!

>

> Dear Ramji,

>

> I have one doubt, if we cannot explain Brahman by logic or language

then

> what is the use of saying there is Brahman itself, we can always

say it is

> un-explainable so it is better not to explain by logic or language.

>

January 10, 2006

Hari OM!

True indeed,

But How can it become a barrier for our liberation, as you stated below.

And unfortunately we all does not have the good fortune to listen directly

from Lord Krishna!

Please help

With Love & OM!

Krishna Prasad

Ram Chandran Wrote:-

Note: I was just trying to point out that the 'logic' and

the 'language' that are used to explain the 'Brahman' may become the

barrier for our liberation!

--

Krishna Prasad

.. Yad yad aacarati sreshtah, tad tad eva itaro janah. As the Gita puts it,

consistency of purpose and a spirit of dedication and, if necessary,

sacrifice, should characterize the new spirit.

We Must

THE CULTURED GIVES HAPPINESS WHEREVER THEY GO, THE UN-CULTURED WHENEVER THEY

GO!

- Swami Chinmayanada

January 10, 2006

Namaste Sri Krishnaji:

Lord Krishna is within you and even in your name! Ramana would have

directed you to self-enquiry, and at the appropriate time, the Lord

within you will reveal your true identity. This is the implied

message of the Upanishads and Bhagavad Gita. The conversation between

Arjuna (intellect) and Lord Krishna (consciousness) symbolically

conveys the same message! It is the intellect that appears in the

beginning as the barrier will become the instrument to recognize the

True Identity! The impurified mind is the barrier that prevents the

Consciousness (Lord Krishna) to deliver the Divine Glories to the

intellect (Arjuna). The eighten chapters of Gita symbolically

present the transformation that took place on the personality of

Arjuna (intellect) to surrender to Lord Krishna (Consciousness).

Krishna is always ready to help us all provided we obey what he says!

Here are two of the most profound statements from Him:

Chapter 9 Verse 22:

Ananyaashchintayanto maam ye janaah paryupaasate;

Teshaam nityaabhiyuktaanaam yogakshemam vahaamyaham.

To those men who worship Me alone, thinking of no other, of those

ever united, I secure what is not already possessed and preserve what

they already possess.

Chapter 18, Verse 66:

Sarvadharmaan parityajya maamekam sharanam vraja;

Aham twaa sarvapaapebhyo mokshayishyaami maa shuchah.

Abandoning all duties, take refuge in Me alone; I will liberate thee

from all sins; grieve not.

Warmest regards,

Ram Chandran

advaitin, Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99@g...>

wrote:

>

> Hari OM!

>

> True indeed,

>

> But How can it become a barrier for our liberation, as you stated

below.

>

> And unfortunately we all does not have the good fortune to listen

directly

> from Lord Krishna!

>

> Please help

>

> With Love & OM!

>

> Krishna Prasad

January 10, 2006

Namaste,

Sri Krishna Prasadji wrote

--And even if we try to explain it how can it become a barrier for our

liberation, it should help us more toward liberation, this is my view Sir,

please clarify.--

Yes, Sir, I also feel(?) so.

Hope we will hear from learned members.

Hari Om

Mani

On 1/10/06, Ram Chandran <ramvchandran wrote:

>

> Namaste Sri Chittaji:

>

> Warmest regards,

>

> Ram Chandran

>

> Note: I was just trying to point out that the 'logic' and

> the 'language' that are used to explain the 'Brahman' may become the

> barrier for our liberation!

>

--

Krishna Prasad

.. Yad yad aacarati sreshtah, tad tad eva itaro janah. As the Gita puts it,

consistency of purpose and a spirit of dedication and, if necessary,

sacrifice, should characterize the new spirit.

We Must

THE CULTURED GIVES HAPPINESS WHEREVER THEY GO, THE UN-CULTURED WHENEVER THEY

GO!

- Swami Chinmayanada

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January 10, 2006

Namaste, all

Sri Ram Chandranji said

,,Chapter 18, Verse 66:

<Sarvadharmaan parityajya maamekam sharanam vraja;

Aham twaa sarvapaapebhyo mokshayishyaami maa shuchah.>

<Abandoning all duties, take refuge in Me alone; I will liberate thee

from all sins; grieve not.>

Here, I had come across an interpretation that what we are to do is to abandon

the notion that performing or stickig to dharma will help me to be what I want

to be, and and to take refuge in Knowledge (Me Krishna) alone.

Hari Om

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January 10, 2006

Hari OM!

Dear Ramji,

I never got the reply for the qeustion yet, respected members please help

How can this happen as below

if we try to explain BRAHMAN with logic and language how can it become a

barrier for our liberation, it should help us more toward liberation right.

I am confused the statement by Ramji.

With Love & OM!

Krishna Prasad

On 1/10/06, Ram Chandran <ramvchandran wrote:

>

> Namaste Sri Krishnaji:

>

> Chapter 18, Verse 66:

> Sarvadharmaan parityajya maamekam sharanam vraja;

> Aham twaa sarvapaapebhyo mokshayishyaami maa shuchah.

>

> Abandoning all duties, take refuge in Me alone; I will liberate thee

> from all sins; grieve not.

>

> Warmest regards,

>

> Ram Chandran

>

> advaitin, Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99@g...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Hari OM!

> >

> > True indeed,

> >

> > But How can it become a barrier for our liberation, as you stated

> below.

> >

> > And unfortunately we all does not have the good fortune to listen

> directly

> > from Lord Krishna!

> >

> > Please help

> >

> > With Love & OM!

> >

> > Krishna Prasad

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Krishna Prasad

.. Yad yad aacarati sreshtah, tad tad eva itaro janah. As the Gita puts it,

consistency of purpose and a spirit of dedication and, if necessary,

sacrifice, should characterize the new spirit.

We Must

THE CULTURED GIVES HAPPINESS WHEREVER THEY GO, THE UN-CULTURED WHENEVER THEY

GO!

- Swami Chinmayanada

January 11, 2006

if we try to explain BRAHMAN with logic and language how can it become a

barrier for our liberation, it should help us more toward liberation right.

praNAms Krishna prabhuji

Hare Krishna

IMHO, shAstra-s comes to our aid to remove our ajnAna about brahman & not

to teach brahman as such and such a thing...since brahman is

unobjectifiable, we cannot bring brahma tattva within the boundaries of vAk

& mana..Hence shruti says *yato vAcho nivartante aprApya manasa

saha*...that which speech cannot express, but which itself expresses speech

.....that which mind cannot think of but which itself thinks of the mind

etc. etc. Since brahman is not only denied all attributes but also

declared to be strictly inexpressible by words and unthinkable by the

mind..

Ofcourse what I said above are all words & ideas ...but you know it is not

aimed towards describing brahman as an objective reality..if you objectify

anything as brahman & try to describe it with words & logic shruti

says...sorry that is not brahman......I hope Sri Ram chandra prabhuji will

take us further in this quest....

Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!

bhaskar

January 11, 2006

advaitin, Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99@g...>

wrote:

Namaste dear Krishnaji:

It is my understanding that the answer to the question is very

subtle. Instead of focusing on the logic and the language to explain

the Brahman, turn the focus to Brahman! Ramana Maharishi suggests

contemplate on "who is explaining Brahman through logic and

language?" Swami Chinmayanandaji gives the analogy of a pole-valuter

to explain this. The pole-valuter while jumping over the 'barrier'

should leave the pole while jumping, if the pole is not dropped, it

becomes a barrier. Similarly logic and language can be helpful in

understanding Brahman but at the appropriate time, one needs to go

beyond the logic and language to realize the Brahman.

I hope this clarification helps,

regards,

Ram Chandran

> Hari OM!

>

> Dear Ramji,

>

> I never got the reply for the qeustion yet, respected members

please help

> How can this happen as below

>

> if we try to explain BRAHMAN with logic and language how can it

become a

> barrier for our liberation, it should help us more toward

liberation right.

> I am confused the statement by Ramji.

> With Love & OM!

>

> Krishna Prasad

>

January 11, 2006

--- Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99 wrote:

> if we try to explain BRAHMAN with logic and language how can it become

> a

> barrier for our liberation, it should help us more toward liberation

> right.

Shree Krishna Prasad,

PraNaams.

My apologies to interject in between the conversations:

As I see, Ram has provided justification for his statement. It is upto

you to accept or reject it. I see that the confusion occurs by not

appreciating the reference from which the statement was made. You are

welcome to reject the statement and there ends the matter. If you are

keen in knowing here is my understanding.

Logic and language are based on words – finite words cannot reveal the

infinite.

shabda pravRitti nimitta rahitam brahma| words cannot reveal brahman|

naishaa tarkena mati raapaneya| Logic cannot reveal brahman|

yato vaacho nivartante apraapya manasaa saH| Speech and the mind cannot

reach there|

na tatra kshakshur gacchati na vaak gacchati – eyes cannot go neither

the speech|

etc.

Words provide knowledge of … Knowledge of… is only knowledge of an

object. – it belongs to one of the five categories:

1. Pratyaksha prasiddhiH, that which is well known through perceptions

2. That which belongs to a jaati 3. That which has gunA or properties 4.

karma - That which performs or acts or is a result of a karma and 5)

that which has relations with other objects, sambandha. Through these

five, words communicate and provide the knowledge of an object.

Brahman does not have any of the five.

But then, the question as you are posing is how Vedanta which is full of

words provide a knowledge? – It is a contradiction, which you are

noticing. That is a valid question.

Vedas uses words in a way that removes the ignorance, since Brahman is

already self-existing and all pervading entity. This has to be done by

a teacher, guru, who can unravel the meaning of the scriptures properly

using correct reference. Here the words are only indictors that which

is self-evident. They are not necessary logical but they work in the

hands of teacher if the student has a faith in that teacher. What one

is searching for one is searching with.

yat kshakshusaa na pasyati yena kshakshuumsi pasyati

tadeva brahma tvam viddhi nedam yadidamupaasate||

That which eyes cannot see (eyes can only see objects) but BECAUSE OF

WHICH EYES HAVE THE CAPACITY TO SEE – that alone is braham.

Krishna prasad – is it logic? Are the words really revealing Brahman –

yet veda as pramaNa using words indicating the direction we need to

contemplate on.

That is why Kena also says those who understand it understand it not –

since it not something that can be revealed by words or logic.

Like wise Kena Up. gives four more statements to the same effect – mind

cannot think but because of which the mind has the capacity to think –

Ears cannot hear but because of which ears have the capacity to hear,

that is alone is Brahman, not this that you worship.

Hence Brahman is ‘aprameyam’ – prama means knowledge – that which is not

an object of knowledge by any means is aprameyam.

The scripture mostly uses the negative words for us to reject that which

falls into the above five categories I listed. – that is nirguNo,

nishkRiyo, niraakaaro, nirvikaaro – all pointing out as process of

negation of all that can be gained by words and logic – is it not.

Finite words can reveal only if properly used by a guru – it is like the

‘you are the tenth man’ – tat tvam asi – which obviously involves bhaaga

thyaaga lakshaNa. Logically you are that does not make any sense.

You can see in spite of such direct statements, we are not able to grasp

Brahman – and you can also see how other ‘mata-s’ interpret the same

words to reveal according to them the truth which differs from advaitic

understanding.

YOu have to use the intellect to go beyond the intellect. If one is

stuck with intellectual analysis one gets bogged down. See some of the

posts in vaadavali -where the same scriptural statements consisting of

the same words revealing something different for some of them. One can

appreciate need of a proper guru to unravel the meaning of the words

correctly.

Anyway, it looks like Ram has answered your question and it is up to you

to accept or reject it – or keep contemplating on it till you discover

the answer by your self to your satisfaction.

Hope this helps

Hari OM!

Sadananda

January 11, 2006

Dear Sri Krishna Prasad-ji,

advaitin, Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99@g...>

wrote:

> I never got the reply for the qeustion yet, respected

> members please help. How can this happen as below

>

> "if we try to explain BRAHMAN with logic and language

> how can it become a barrier for our liberation, it should

> help us more toward liberation right. I am confused the

> statement by Ramji."

I am not a jnani, Krishna-ji, but i shall try to answer your question

to the best of my ability. First of all, let me express my admiration

for your persistence in continuing to ask the question when the doubt

is still there in your the mind. That is the correct way to seek.

Logic and language are NOT barriers to liberation. Manifestation is

NOT a barrier to liberation. Even action is NOT a barrier to

liberation. There is only one thing that is a barrier to liberation.

It is AVIDYA. All our agamas say that liberation comes with jnana.

The opposite of jnana is ajnana. That is what has to go.

The greatest means to make ajnana go is vichara. Logic is the way

vichara works. Vichara tries to get to the true meanings of things.

The true meanings of things is the Language of the Self. Therefore,

Self-knowledge is JNANA and it is THAT by which everything is known

because everything is the language of the Self.

I hope i have not added to the confusion.

Warm regards,

Chittaranjan

January 11, 2006

Namaste Sri Chittaji:

I have no hesitation to admit that I still possess 'avidya.' Hence

everything that I said before and say it now are subject to

confusion!

>From your statement, I infer that in the presence of 'Avidya,' Logic

and Language can become potential barriers. With the 'avidya,' I am

not as smart as you in playing with the words and I agree with you

that the 'ultimate barrier' is avidya. With the presence of 'avidya,'

only that much we all know, we can speculate all sorts of theories

and justifications, but confusion will likely remain until the

revealtion!

Warmest regards,

Ram Chandran

advaitin, "Chittaranjan Naik"

<chittaranjan_naik> wrote:

>

> Logic and language are NOT barriers to liberation. Manifestation is

> NOT a barrier to liberation. Even action is NOT a barrier to

> liberation. There is only one thing that is a barrier to

liberation.

> It is AVIDYA. All our agamas say that liberation comes with jnana.

> The opposite of jnana is ajnana. That is what has to go.

>

> The greatest means to make ajnana go is vichara. Logic is the way

> vichara works. Vichara tries to get to the true meanings of things.

> The true meanings of things is the Language of the Self. Therefore,

> Self-knowledge is JNANA and it is THAT by which everything is known

> because everything is the language of the Self.

>

> I hope i have not added to the confusion.

>

> Warm regards,

> Chittaranjan

>

January 11, 2006

Hari OM!

Dear Advaitins,

Thanks for all your replies let me analyze one by one and study and if

need any clarifications will post here to have more discussion.

With Love & OM!

Krishna Prasad

.. Yad yad aacarati sreshtah, tad tad eva itaro janah. As the Gita puts

it, consistency of purpose and a spirit of dedication and, if

necessary, sacrifice, should characterize the new spirit.

We Must

THE CULTURED GIVES HAPPINESS WHEREVER THEY GO, THE UN-CULTURED WHENEVER THEY GO!

- Swami Chinmayanada

January 11, 2006

Hari OM!

Dear Ramji,

By your explanation, it seems to me that Language and Logic cannot explain

Brahman but we have to realize Brahman. But with out Language and Logic we

cannot do that. so this becomes the Egg and Hen story which came first, and

which one have more priority, still, we are not realised we cannot say that

Language and Logic is Barrier the only medium is Logic and Language to

indicate Brahman! this is my humble understanding correct me if not.

Poojya Gurudev use to say the Pole-vault story for the Sattva,Rajas, Tamas

of the mind not the Language and Logic. The Sattvic quality of the mind is a

barrier finally we have to detach with even the Sattvic guna after realising

Brahman.

HE use to say this also. we cannot explain an object which we are not having

the knowledge of it? like if we say pen, the picture of pen appears on our

mind dynamically, if we say jajajaloobi! nothing occurs.

so a realized person can only say that Logic and Language is a barrier. this

is the only small conviction I have now.

With Love & OM!

Krishna Prasad

On 1/11/06, Ram Chandran <ramvchandran wrote:

>

> advaitin, Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99@g...>

> wrote:

> Namaste dear Krishnaji:

>

> It is my understanding that the answer to the question is very

> subtle. Instead of focusing on the logic and the language to explain

> the Brahman, turn the focus to Brahman! Ramana Maharishi suggests

> contemplate on "who is explaining Brahman through logic and

> language?" Swami Chinmayanandaji gives the analogy of a pole-valuter

> to explain this. The pole-valuter while jumping over the 'barrier'

> should leave the pole while jumping, if the pole is not dropped, it

> becomes a barrier. Similarly logic and language can be helpful in

> understanding Brahman but at the appropriate time, one needs to go

> beyond the logic and language to realize the Brahman.

>

> I hope this clarification helps,

>

> regards,

>

> Ram Chandran

January 11, 2006

Hari OM!

Dear Bhaskarji,

Ture indeed, really great posting , I am convinced until we realize we

do not have the authority to say Brahman can be this or that. and even

after realising it is unexplainable! Wonder Wonder Wonder screams the

Rishis!

With Love & OM!

Krishna Prasad

On 1/11/06, bhaskar.yr <bhaskar.yr wrote:

Krishna Prasad

.. Yad yad aacarati sreshtah, tad tad eva itaro janah. As the Gita puts

it, consistency of purpose and a spirit of dedication and, if

necessary, sacrifice, should characterize the new spirit.

We Must

THE CULTURED GIVES HAPPINESS WHEREVER THEY GO, THE UN-CULTURED WHENEVER THEY GO!

- Swami Chinmayanada

January 11, 2006

Namste Chittaranjan-Ji, Ram-Ji and Krishna Prasad-Ji:

IMO - Recognizing that one has avidyaa is what advaita teaches us

that need to be practiced on the vyavaharicka level.

That is why amputation of the glands that secret ignorance leads to

the liberation. "aj~naana hR^idaya gra.nthi naasho moxaata iti

shR^ita".

Can some one help me understand the derivation of

words "bramnan", "brahma", "brahmam", "brahmaa", "braahmaNa", "brahma

aNi" from the root verb "bR^ih" (Meaning - To expand).

Not having learned Sanskrit in a classical format I am requesting

this. May be, if we understand this derivation in the proper

perspective may furnish clues to reduce the confusion about

this "anirvacaniiya tattva".

Thank you.

Dr. Yadu

advaitin, "Ram Chandran" <ramvchandran>

wrote:

>

> I still possess 'avidya.' Hence everything that I said before and

say it now are subject to confusion!

>

> From your statement, I infer that in the presence of 'Avidya,'

Logic and Language can become potential barriers.

>

Ram Chandran

>

> advaitin, "Chittaranjan Naik"

> <chittaranjan_naik> wrote:

> >

> > Logic and language are NOT barriers to liberation. Manifestation

is

> > NOT a barrier to liberation. Even action is NOT a barrier to

> > liberation. There is only one thing that is a barrier to

> liberation. It is AVIDYA. All our agamas say that liberation comes

with jnana. The opposite of jnana is ajnana.

> > Chittaranjan

> >

>

January 11, 2006

Hari OM!

Dear Chittaji,

Great answer 100 % convinced, thanks for the email Yes as you said until

unless we are Jnanis we do not have the adhikaar to say this and that.

With Love & OM!

Krishna Prasad

On 1/11/06, Chittaranjan Naik <chittaranjan_naik wrote:

>

> Dear Sri Krishna Prasad-ji,

>

> advaitin, Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99@g...>

> wrote:

>

> > I never got the reply for the qeustion yet, respected

> > members please help. How can this happen as below

> >

> > "if we try to explain BRAHMAN with logic and language

> > how can it become a barrier for our liberation, it should

> > help us more toward liberation right. I am confused the

> > statement by Ramji."

>

> I am not a jnani, Krishna-ji, but i shall try to answer your question

> to the best of my ability. First of all, let me express my admiration

> for your persistence in continuing to ask the question when the doubt

> is still there in your the mind. That is the correct way to seek.

>

> Logic and language are NOT barriers to liberation. Manifestation is

> NOT a barrier to liberation. Even action is NOT a barrier to

> liberation. There is only one thing that is a barrier to liberation.

> It is AVIDYA. All our agamas say that liberation comes with jnana.

> The opposite of jnana is ajnana. That is what has to go.

>

> The greatest means to make ajnana go is vichara. Logic is the way

> vichara works. Vichara tries to get to the true meanings of things.

> The true meanings of things is the Language of the Self. Therefore,

> Self-knowledge is JNANA and it is THAT by which everything is known

> because everything is the language of the Self.

>

> I hope i have not added to the confusion.

>

> Warm regards,

> Chittaranjan

>

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January 11, 2006

Hari OM!

Dear Sadaji,

Thanks for your email and this gives more insight, this made me memorize on

Sri Swami Paramarthanadaji's class at Chennai, he said the closest we can

indicate with Brahman that we can perceive is " Akasha" space, and he

explained the more subtle the things are the less we can explain it, Then

he was speaking about "Air " also Vayu. which is unexplainable but can be

experienced.

He use to compare Human bodies as wall in the space, in comparing Brahman as

space, but Language fails miserably there. But *it can never become a

barrier to realisation*. that is not at all acceptable in this

context. Language and Logic will definitely give an idicative help of

course.

Hope you are enjoying & having Swadhyaya at Swami Paramarthanandaji's class

in Chennai Astika Samajam.

With Love & OM!

Krishna Prasad

On 1/11/06, kuntimaddi sadananda <kuntimaddisada wrote:

>

> --- Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99 wrote:

> > if we try to explain BRAHMAN with logic and language how can it become

> > a

> > barrier for our liberation, it should help us more toward liberation

> > right.

>

> Shree Krishna Prasad,

> PraNaams.

>

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.. Yad yad aacarati sreshtah, tad tad eva itaro janah. As the Gita puts it,

consistency of purpose and a spirit of dedication and, if necessary,

sacrifice, should characterize the new spirit.

We Must

THE CULTURED GIVES HAPPINESS WHEREVER THEY GO, THE UN-CULTURED WHENEVER THEY

GO!

- Swami Chinmayanada

January 11, 2006

advaitin, "Chittaranjan Naik"

<chittaranjan_naik> wrote:

Therefore,

> Self-knowledge is JNANA and it is THAT by which everything is

known

> because everything is the language of the Self.

>

> I hope i have not added to the confusion.

>

> Warm regards,

> Chittaranjan

Namaste all advaitins,

I'm am not sure if this comment fits in with this

topic, but I think it may.

The other day my teacher, when explaining

pramana, said, "These words should be the eyes of

your experience."

I liked that.

Best wishes,

Durga

January 11, 2006

Namaste Durgaji,

advaitin, "Durga" <durgaji108> wrote:

> The other day my teacher, when explaining

> pramana, said, "These words should be the eyes of

> your experience."

>

> I liked that.

Simply Beautiful.

Warm regards,

Chittaranjan

January 11, 2006

Namaste Sri Ram Chandran-ji,

advaitin, "Ram Chandran" <ramvchandran>

wrote:

> With the 'avidya,' I am not as smart as you in playing

> with the words

The word 'smart' comes form the Old-English word 'smeart' and it

means 'causing pain'.

Yudhistira, in reply to a question asked by the Yaksha, said that of

all things that hurt, the hurt caused by words is the sharpest and most

painful.

I am sorry if i caused you hurt.

Warm regards,

Chittaranjan

January 11, 2006

Hari OM!

Dear all,

*IF TIME AND SPACE IS TAKEN AWAY WHAT REMAINS IS BRAHMAN! *

With Love & OM!

Krishna Prasad

On 1/11/06, Chittaranjan Naik <chittaranjan_naik wrote:

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> Namaste Durgaji,

>

> advaitin, "Durga" <durgaji108> wrote:

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> > The other day my teacher, when explaining

> > pramana, said, "These words should be the eyes of

> > your experience."

> >

> > I liked that.

>

> Simply Beautiful.

>

> Warm regards,

>

> Chittaranjan

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We Must

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GO!

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January 11, 2006

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