Guest guest Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Dear Sri Subrahmanian-ji, Om Namah Shivaya Om Mata Annapurna Refer my post 29760 I am continuing this discussion which had temporarily halted at the point where I had asked you to reproduce the relevant quotes from Sri Shankaracharya's bhashyas wherein the Acharya himself explains the meanings of the two critical arguments (regarding non-existence and snake-rope analogy) that are used throughout Advaita. I had asked for illumination on these two arguments in the overall context of this discussion which is for the purpose of determining whether it is Brahman or avyakta that is the efficient cause of the universe. We had stopped the discussion at the point where a part of the Mandukya Upanishad bhashya was produced. I shall now proceed with the discussion. This will be a long post, but I believe that the importance of the topic is adequate justification for the length of the post. advaitin, "Chittaranjan Naik" <chittaranjan_naik> wrote: > VS-ji, I am aware of the part of the bhashya you quote. > They don't mean what you seem to be implying they mean. > I will ask you two questions which when answered will > illuminate what the bhashya here means. The questions are: > > 1. What does the negation of existence mean? Do you know > where the Acharya himself has explained it? > > 2. What does the snake-rope analogy mean? Do you know > where the Acharya himself has explained it? > > Both these have been answered by the Acharya. Would you be > kind enough to reproduce them and them we shall continue > the discussion? If you wish I will reproduce them. I shall now take the liberty of reproducing the relevant texts from the Acharya's bhashyas. 1. THE MEANING OF THE NEGATION OF EXISTENCE FIRST QUOTE: The Brahma Sutra (II.i.17) "If it be argued that the effect did not exist before creation, since it is declared (in the Upanishad) as 'non-existent', then we say, no, because from the complementary portion it is known that the word is used from the standpoint of a difference in characteristics." Shankara bhashya: "The condition in which name and form become evolved is different from the condition in which name and form is not so evolved. Hence although the effect exists as non-different from the cause before creation, still from the standpoint of this difference in conditions the effect is declared to be non-existent before creation." Later: "Therefore this declaration of non-existence of the effect before creation is made from the standpoint of a difference of conditions. Since in the world a thing is said to exist when it manifests itself through name and form, therefore, as a concession to common sense, the universe is said to be non-existent before being evolved through name and form." SECOND QUOTE: Brahadaranyaka Upanishad bhashya (I,2) "It is a common occurrence that a thing, a jar for instance, which was hidden by darkness or any other thing and comes within the range of perception when the obstruction is removed by the appearance of light or in some other way, does not preclude its previous existence. Similarly this universe too, we can understand, existed before its manifestation. For a jar that is non-existent is not perceived even when the sun rises......Every effect such as a jar has two kinds of obstruction. When it has become manifest from its component clay, darkness and the wall etc. are the obstructions; while before its manifestation from the clay the obstruction consists in particles of clay remaining as some other effect such as a lump. Therefore, the effect, the jar, although existent, is not perceived before its manifestation, as it is hidden. The terms and concepts 'destroyed', 'produced', 'existence' and 'non-existence' depend on this two-fold character of manifestation and disappearance." "Hence the previous non-existence of a jar does not mean that it does not at all exist as an entity before it comes into being. If however, you say that the previous non-existence of a jar means the jar itself, then to mention it as being 'of a jar' (instead of 'the jar itself') is an incongruity. If you use it merely as a fancy, as in the expression, 'The body of the stone roller', then the phrase 'the previous non-existence of a jar' would only mean that it is the imaginary non-existence that is mentioned in terms of the jar, and not the jar itself. If, on the other hand, you say that the negation of a jar is something other than it, we have already answered the point. Moreover, if the jar before its manifestation be an absolute nonentity like the proverbial horns of a hare, it cannot be connected either with its cause or with existence (as the logicians hold), for connection requires two positive entities. Objection: It is all right with things that are inseparable. Reply: No, for we cannot conceive of an inseparable connection between an existent and a non-existent thing. Separable or inseparable connection is possible between two positive entities only, not between an entity and a nonentity, nor between two nonentities. Therefore we conclude that the effect does exist before it is manifested." CONCLUSION ON THE MEANING OF NON-EXISTENCE So, what does the negation of existence mean? If we are to understand non-existence correctly, and in accordance with what the Acharya establishes, it means that the non-existence of an object is merely the non-manifestation (or hiddenness) of the eternally existing object. This is paramartha, the absolute truth. It can by no means be said that this is a vyavahrika truth because nobody in vyavahara sees objects as being eternal. Moreover, mithya is said to be that which is not existing in three points of time - past, present and future. If objects were mithya, it would be absurd for the Acharya to be establishing that they are eternal and thereby make it impossible for anybody to assert that they are mithya. Therefore the mithyatva of the world is the false notion that it is temporal. The truth of paramartha is that the world is eternal. The negation of existence is therefore merely the negation of the limitedness of manifestation that eternal objects seem to have in temporality, and it is not a negation of the existence of objects themselves. 2. THE MEANING OF THE SNAKE-ROPE ANALOGY The Upanishad text and the Acharya's bhashya that I am going to quote next provide a vital point regarding the Advaita point of view. The bhashya first re-enforces the conclusion that we have (just) stated above (regarding the eternality of objects), and then based on this very conclusion, it proceeds to explain how the snake-rope analogy is to be interpreted. In almost all other parts of the bhashyas, the snake-rope analogy is merely used, but this is perhaps the only place in the bhashya where the analogy is not simply used, but is also explained. Chandogya Upanishad (VI.ii.3): "That (Existence) saw, 'I shall become many. I shall be born'." Shankara: "How did That visualise? This is being answered: 'Syam, I shall become; bahu, many; Prajayeya, I shall be born excellently', like earth taking shapes of pots etc. or ropes taking the shapes of snakes etc. imagined by the intellect." Objection: "In that case whatever is perceived is unreal, like a rope perceived in the shape of a snake etc." Shankara: "No. Since it is Existence itself that is perceived otherwise through the duality of different forms, therefore, THERE IS NO NON-EXISTENCE OF ANYTHING ANYWHERE. That is what we say." Shankara (continuing): "As the Nyaya school, after assuming that a thing is different from existence, says again that it has no existence before its birth and after its destruction – it is not assumed by us in that way, at anytime or anywhere, that any word or any thing denoted by the word can be there differently from Existence. But all words and all things that are spoken of with THE IDEA OF THEIR BEING DIFFERENT FROM EXISTENCE, are Existence only, just as in the world a rope itself is spoken of as a snake, under THE IDEA THAT IT IS A SNAKE." What is it that is negated in the snake-rope analogy? The snake. What is it that is negated when the snake-rope analogy is used for negating the world as seen in samsara? The IDEA of the world being DIFFERENT from existence. What does the Acharya say when the purva-paksha says: "In that case whatever is perceived is unreal, like a rope perceived in the shape of a snake etc?" The Acharya says: "No. Since it is Existence itself that is perceived otherwise through the duality of different forms, therefore, THERE IS NO NON-EXISTENCE OF ANYTHING ANYWHERE." If we are to be consistent in our interpretation of Sri Shankaracharya's bhashya, we must preserve this meaning of the snake- rope analogy whenever we come across passages in the bhashya that employs this analogy. THE INTERPRETATION OF THE MANDUKYA BHASHYA I had earlier quoted the Mandukya Upanishad bhashya to show that Brahman in two aspects, as Turiya, and as the threefold manifestations of Vishva, Taijasa and Prajna, is referred to as catuspat, and that in realising AUM, the three quarters, Vishva, Taijasa and Prajna are merged in Turiya thereby indicating the non- difference of the world from Brahman. You then reproduced the subsequent part of the bhashya to supposedly show that the world is only 'relatively true' and that it has the status of the snake on the rope. I am reproducing this part of the bhashya again herebelow for our reference: > "So'yamaatama, of the nature of both the Ultimately-true and > the relatively-true aspects, called by the name chatushpAd, > Its relatively- true nature, a product of Avidya, similar to > the rope-snake etc., which is the pAdatraya, of the nature > of seed-and-sprout. Now, the abIjAtmakam (=the not-being- > the-seed-of-Creation nature of Turiya), Absolutely-true > nature (of Atman), of the status of the rope (of the > rope-snake), is being expounded by NEGATING (niraakaranena) > the sthAnatraya (pAdatraya=vishwa, taijasa and praajna) > that is similar to the (superimposed)snake, etc. in the > sequel, nAntaH prajnam etc. In the body of the bhashyam > the one-to-one negation of the three paadas, along with > some other intermediary states is stated. End translation." What is it that is ultimately true? Brahman. What is it that is relatively true here? The relatively true is the world that is like the snake on the rope as explanined by the Acharya, i.e., the IDEA of the eternally existing world being DIFFERENT from Brahman. In other words, the idea that Vishva, Taijasa and Prajna are different from Brahman. If this idea of the separateness (of Vishva, Taijasa and Prajna) is mithya like the snake on the rope, what is it that should happen for the Truth to be seen? Now read the part of the bhashya that I had quoted earlier and which I reproduce here below: "Sah ayam atma, that Self that is such, that is signified by Om and exists as the higher and lower Brahman, is catuspat, possessed of four quarters, like a coin (karsapana), but not like a cow, As the fourth (Turiya) is realised by successively merging the earlier three, starting from Visva, the word pada (in the case of Visva, Taijasa, Prajna) is derived in the instrumental sense of that by which something is attained, whereas in the case of Turiya the word pada is derived in the objective sense of that which is achieved". See how logical it is that Vishva, Taijasa and Prajna should be successively merged in Turiya for the Truth to be seen. The word 'pada' is used in the instrumental sense for Vishva, Taijasa and Prajna. What does it mean? It means that the merging is that by which something is attained. And what does it mean when it said that the word 'pada' is used in the objective sense? It means that which is attained by the merging. That which is attained by the merging is the Turiya. Therefore, the negation of Vishva, Taijasa and Prajna is merely an instrumental device (an upaya) for attaining the object of seeing the Truth which is the Oneness of the Universe and Brahman. Now, why is it that the nature of Turiya is said to be abIjAtmakam (not the seed of Creation)? Because the Brahman that is Purnam is not the seed of something that is already in it. A thing can be the bija, the seed, of another thing only in duality - in time where the whole is seen partially in its limitedness as the vishesas (particularities) of the whole. Now read the bhashya that I had quoted earlier also: "For all names, the differentiations such as Yajnadatta and Devadatta springs from it, this generality of names, like particles of salt from the salt rock. And an effect is not separate from its cause. Also particulars are included in the general. How does the relation of general and particulars apply here? It, sound in general, is their Saman, so called because of sameness. For it is common to all names, which are its own particular forms. Another reason is that the particular names, being derived from it, are not different from it. And we see that something that is derived from another is not different from it, as a jar, for instance, is not different from clay." Samanya is not different than the particularities (visheshas) which are included in it. That is why in Advaita words denote only samanya and not vishesha, because the objects that we see in the world are visheshas and if the words denoting them were to be pointing to the visheshas manifested (or a combination of samanya and vsiheshas manifested), then an infinite number of names would be required to denote an object in time because no two instances of its manifestation are ever identical. See what the Acharya says: "And words are connected with the general characteristics (i.e., genus) and not with the individuals, for the individuals are infinite, and it is impossible to comprehend the relation of a word (with all of them). Thus, even though the individuals are born, the distinctive general characteristics remain constant, so that this creates no difficulty with the eternality of the words cow, etc." (BSB, I,III,27). So, when Brahman is said to be Nirvishesha, it means that Brahman is to be known as Purnam, not as any particular aspect (vishesha) that may be manifested of It, but all of it at once in the purnanubhava of Brahman. And the world is One with Brahman. THE LOCUS OF VIKSHEPA SHAKTI So where does it leave us in regards of Vikshepa Shakti? Does Vikshepa Shakti belong to Brahman or avyakta? From the foregoing discussion, it is clear that avyakta is the seed not of creation or of the world, but of the schism of duality which seemingly separates the world from Brahman, because it is itself the latent notion of duality that persists as the anadi-bija-nidra of samsara. We have to resolve the issue of the locus of vikshepa shakti in the light of this nature of the world as non-different from Brahman. In other words, the world is not created by avyakta; it is eternal in Brahman. I shall now produce some principles from the Acharya's bhashya which would help us proceed in the right manner: "But anything that cannot be the characteristic of something in its own right cannot certainly be so because of a similarity with another. For fire, which is felt to be warm, does not become cold because of some similarity with water." (BSB,II,ii,29). In the Gita bhashya, Sri Shankaracharya says that not even the Vedas can make fire be cold, and that if some such expression is found in the Vedas, it must be taken in a secondary sense to mean something else. The dharma of a thing can never change. Never. It is the nature of a river to flow, and of the dam to obstruct the flow of water. Subrahmanian-ji, you didn't address this point in your reply, but instead you went on to produce another part of the bhashya as if another passage in the bhashya can make something that is illogical (such as creating power belonging to avyakta, darkness) transform into something that becomes logical. Such a thing can never happen. As the Acharya says, "anything that cannot be the characteristic of something in its own right cannot certainly be so because of a similarity with another". It is in the nature of Light to reveal and in the nature of darkness to hide (obstruct). Vikshepa is the showing forth of the world even if such showing forth should only be particularities of the eternal universe in Brahman. Avyakta is the obstruction that makes what is shown forth seem to be separated from Brahman. Vikshepa should be placed in a locus that is innately of the nature of light. And obstruction should be placed in a locus that is innately of the nature of darkness. Therefore, Vikshepa Shakti belongs to Brahman and obstruction belongs to avyakta. An interesting question arises at this point. The question is: Is it possible for there to be Vikshepa without avarana (avyakta)? The answer is Yes. It is possible to see visheshas in the full light of the knowledge that the visheshas are only the limitedness of the Purnatva of Brahman. Without avyakta, there is no duality in the unobstructed Seeing of the Seer. It is called Sahaja Samadhi, the Natural Vision in which there is samarasa, sameness, between Nirvikalpa and Savikalpa. It is the Vision of the Full in which the visheshas are seen for what they are. The jnani is stitha in Sahaja Samadhi. In a recent post addressed to Sri Rishi, you say: "Maya or Avidya is termed the 'Parinaami-upaadaana kaaranam, roughly translatable as 'changeful material cause' and Brahman is the 'Vivarta-upaadaana kaaranam. I do not know how to translate this." Vivarta is the unfolding of the world through the Vikshepa Shakti of Brahman. Pure vikshepa is without avarana. Obscuration of the nature of vivarta is avarana. Warm regards, Chittaranjan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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