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Namaste All,

What is faith? A simple question surely. Faith

is like faith you know, you believe in something

you have faith in it, you trust it. . What's the

difference between faith and a creed or a

set of articles that you publicly adhere to

which create a community? Suppose what

binds you together is common acceptation of a

scripture. You believe that this is the truth.

However what can arise is "multiple and

possibly indeterminate interpretations of what

the writer of a text is saying"(Simon Blackburn/Truth).

This may lead to schism and the feeling

that there is no truth and that therefore

faith is a fatuous attempt to find certainty

in a haphazard cosmos. Better light a

penny candle than curse the dark.

 

There may be another way in which faith can

live with uncertainty. Think of the faithful

as a group with a set of common concerns

and a broad agreement on certain

symbols and rituals. They may have a

common teacher with whom they feel they

have established an inner relationship with.

They believe that this person is guiding them

through their lives and speaking to them

mysteriously via incidents in their lives.

In a strange way those who are inimical to

them may give the best upadesha. Mostly

though they pick their way along carefully,

treating absolute certainty as a mirage.

 

Best Wishes,

Michael.

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Namaste dear Michaelji:

 

I don't want start a new debate on the definition of `faith,' but do

want to provide the following insights from how it is defined in the

American Heritage Dictionary.

 

Faith:

1.Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a

person, an idea, or a thing.

 

2.Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence

 

3.Loyalty to a person or thing; allegiance: keeping faith with one's

supporters.

 

4.The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a

trusting acceptance of God's will.

 

5.The body of dogma of a religion: the Muslim faith, Hindu faith,

Christian faith, etc.,

 

6. A set of principles or beliefs.

 

Belief is defined as:

1. The mental act, condition, or habit of placing trust or confidence

in another.

 

2. Mental acceptance of and conviction in the truth, actuality, or

validity of something.

 

3. Something believed or accepted as true, especially a particular

tenet or a body of tenets accepted by a group of persons.

 

The dictionary states that in most situations faith or belief will

imply mental acceptance of the truth, actuality, or validity of

something.

 

The dictionary also provides detailed explanations for `opinion'

under various circumstances:

1. A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated

by positive knowledge or proof: "The world is not run by thought, nor

by imagination, but by opinion" (Elizabeth Drew).

 

2. A judgment based on special knowledge and given by an expert: a

medical opinion.

 

3. A judgment or an estimation of the merit of a person or thing: has

a low opinion of braggarts.

 

4. The prevailing view: public opinion.

 

5. Law. A formal statement by a court or other adjudicative body of

the legal reasons and principles for the conclusions of the court.

 

The acceptance or rejection of any point of view depends on how much

we respect the `opinion' of the person who makes those points. When

the `opinion' substantiates with supportive evidence from

authoritative sources, it gets accepted more often and by more

people. The mental acceptance of an opinion by any author depends on

the level of confidence that we place on author's credentials and our

faith on the evidence provided. This may explain why there is no

universal acceptance of any metaphysical assertion on the

unknown "Truth."

 

Please note that this is just my `opinion' about `faith, belief and

opinion' and consequently, it may not be accepted by all. Everyone of

us in the list should be aware that `opinion' is subject to change

and we have seen that happening in legal decisions made in the

courts. During our discussions, we only have the `right' to offer

an `opinion' and we shouldn't feel disappointed when it is not

accepted! I am also of the opinion that we should develop

the `spirit' of karma yoga while expressing our opinions.

 

Warmest regards,

 

Ram chandran

 

 

advaitin, ombhurbhuva <ombhurbhuva@e...> wrote:

>

> Namaste All,

> What is faith? A simple question surely. Faith

> is like faith you know, you believe in something

> you have faith in it, you trust it. . What's the

> difference between faith and a creed or a

> set of articles that you publicly adhere to

> which create a community? Suppose what

> binds you together is common acceptation of a

> scripture. You believe that this is the truth.

> However what can arise is "multiple and

> possibly indeterminate interpretations of what

> the writer of a text is saying"(Simon Blackburn/Truth).

> This may lead to schism and the feeling

> that there is no truth and that therefore

> faith is a fatuous attempt to find certainty

> in a haphazard cosmos. Better light a

> penny candle than curse the dark.

>

> There may be another way in which faith can

> live with uncertainty. Think of the faithful

> as a group with a set of common concerns

> and a broad agreement on certain

> symbols and rituals. They may have a

> common teacher with whom they feel they

> have established an inner relationship with.

> They believe that this person is guiding them

> through their lives and speaking to them

> mysteriously via incidents in their lives.

> In a strange way those who are inimical to

> them may give the best upadesha. Mostly

> though they pick their way along carefully,

> treating absolute certainty as a mirage.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Michael.

>

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Dear Ombhurbhuva

 

"What is faith? A simple question surely. Faith

is like faith you know, you believe in something

you have faith in it, you trust it."

 

There are some fundamental differences between "faith" as envisaged

by Abrahamic traditions and "Shradha" (closesest possible

equivalent) in Indic traditions. Shradha means faith born of

understanding. Faith could be born out of many other reasons as well

e.g. expectation of irrational gains, greed, ignorance etc. So when

some one say "Shradha" in "Bhagwana" or "Guru" means faith, born

out, in them after knowing (atleast partially) what they are through

our intellect (Buddhi). For example some one may develop "Shradha"

in Bhagwan Raman Maharshi after reading/listening his sayings and

knwoing his true nature. Unless their is some element of "Aatma

Kalyana" involved mere faith doesn't amount to Shradha. Sanskrit

word for other kinds of faith is "Preeti".

 

In short Abrahamic traditions are faith("preeti" type not "shradha"

type) oriented while Indic traditions are Prajna or wisdom

oriented. The former deal with intensifies of feelings, the latter

aim at awakening the mind. In Indic traditions, Shradha (faith) is

that which lies hidden in the recession of the heart; so, faith

means faith in the hidden truths of the soul, faith in the

unrealised possibilities of the mind.

 

Regards

Chandra

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