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Sri Tony ji wrote:

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Sun, 05 Feb 2006 17:10:38 -0000

"Tony OClery" <aoclery

Re: Vivartavada

 

Namaste V-Ji et al,

 

Vivarta, as per Monnier Williams Dictionary, means:

(in Veda7nta) error , illusion , an apparent or illusory form ,

unreality (caused by A-vidya1 "' , ignorance "' , and removed by

Vidya1 , `" true knowledge ) Veda7ntas.

 

Other meanings for the word, as per the same source, are:

 

changing from one state to another , modification , alteration ,

transformation , altered form or condition Ka1v. Katha1s

 

{-vAda} m. a method of asserting the Vedanta doctrine (maintaining

the development of the Universe from Brahma as the sole real

entity , the phenomenal world being held to be a mere illusion or

Ma1ya1 ; cf. %{pariNAma-vAdA})

 

In my way of thinking Vivarta is an illusion, that is only evident

in delusion.

 

There is no time so everything seemingly happens at once so nothing

is unfolding or being projected.

 

In deep sleep or sushupti the world disappears, except for a thought

of existence in the jiva.

 

The Sages say when one becomes realised the world becomes then an

appearance on the Self/Saguna.

 

However when the body drops there is no appearance, no reason for

Saguna only Nirguna. This is why I said that Sankara taught

Ajitavada....................ONS...Tony.

 

Dear Tony ji

Namaste. Many thanks for the dictionary references. Pl. note that the term

Ajitavada that you have mentioned above is to be spelt as Ajativada.

 

Warm regards

subbu

 

 

 

 

 

 

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advaitin, V Subrahmanian <subrahmanian_v

wrote:

> Re: Vivartavada

>

> Namaste V-Ji et al,

>

> Vivarta, as per Monnier Williams Dictionary, means

 

Namaste,

 

Does anyone have Shankara-Bhashya on Shvetashvatara Upanishad 6:2 :

 

....

teneshitaM karma vivartate ha pRRithyaapyatejo.anilakhaani chintyam ||

 

 

Regards,

 

Sunder

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Wed, 08 Feb 2006 19:58:48 -0000

"Sunder Hattangadi" <sunderh

Re: The Dictionary meaning of Vivartavada

 

 

Namaste Sunderji!

 

I don't have the original Shankara bhAshya on the ShvEtAshvatata upanishad;

However, I have a commentary (in Kannada) based on Shankara bhAshya, Which I

will summarize.

Before I do that, I looked up in the dictionary, the meaning of "vivarta".

The dictionary meaning is 1) change, 2) effect (pariNama).

....an appearance that is not real, a form appearing because of delusion -

the adhyAsa of jagat in Brahman due to ignorance - is vivarta. The vivarta

vAda is a variation of satkArya (supported by shAstra) vAda as proposed by

Shankara. The pariNama vAda is another variation proposed by rAmAnuja.

The meaning of the second half of the mantra you have quoted is - the karma

(creation) manifested by Him appears (vivarta) as earth, water, fire, air

and space)

Now coming to the commentary....

Brahman, appears Himself as the chEtana and jada aspects of this jagat

[chEtana aspect is called the parA prikriti and jada aspect is the aparA

prikriti (gIta - 7-5)].The two aspects of the prikriti are regarded as His

Power. If we view this jagat with jnyAna, we will be able to see His power,

glory, aishvarya in all manifested forms. The whole creation appears as Him.

On the other hand, due to ajnyAna, we see the jagat in multiple forms as

manifested - good and bad, sAtvik, rajas and tamas etc, then this jagat will

bind us as mAya.

Sri Subbuji has indicated this in his comments.

 

Regards,

Ramakrishna.

------------------

 

Namaste,

 

Does anyone have Shankara-Bhashya on Shvetashvatara Upanishad 6:2 :

 

....

teneshitaM karma vivartate ha pRRithyaapyatejo.anilakhaani chintyam ||

 

 

Regards,

 

Sunder

 

 

Namaste Sunder ji:

Recently i was told that Shankara has used this word in the above

bhashyam. And i was also told that His authorship of this bhashyam is not

undisputedly accepted by the international fraternity of scholars. I shall

try to get the exact passage and post it here. I tried in the Ramakrishna

Ashram Library and could not find it there. However, a book titled

'Svetasvatara upanishad' by Swami Tyagisananda, published by the Sri

Ramakrishna Math, Chennai, contains the following note under the above cited

mantra:

for the word 'assumes' : The word 'vivartate' in the text seems to suggest

the vivarta theory of Sri Shankara, according to which Brahman appears as

the world without really undergoing any change. p.114

 

Warm regards

subbu

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advaitin, "Krishnamurthy Ramakrishna"

<puttakrishna wrote:

>> Re: The Dictionary meaning of Vivartavada

>

> Before I do that, I looked up in the dictionary, the meaning

of "vivarta".

> The dictionary meaning is 1) change, 2) effect (pariNama).

> ...an appearance that is not real, a form appearing because of

delusion -

> the adhyAsa of jagat in Brahman due to ignorance - is vivarta. The

vivarta

> vAda is a variation of satkArya (supported by shAstra) vAda as

proposed by

> Shankara. The pariNama vAda is another variation proposed by

rAmAnuja.

> The meaning of the second half of the mantra you have quoted is -

the karma

> (creation) manifested by Him appears (vivarta) as earth, water,

fire, air

> and space)

> Now coming to the commentary....

> Brahman, appears Himself as the chEtana and jada aspects of this

jagat

> [chEtana aspect is called the parA prikriti and jada aspect is the

aparA

> prikriti (gIta - 7-5)].The two aspects of the prikriti are

regarded as His

> Power. If we view this jagat with jnyAna, we will be able to see

His power,

> glory, aishvarya in all manifested forms. The whole creation

appears as Him.

> On the other hand, due to ajnyAna, we see the jagat in multiple

forms as

> manifested - good and bad, sAtvik, rajas and tamas etc, then this

jagat will

> bind us as mAya.

 

Namaste,

 

Namaste Ramakrishna-ji,

 

Thank you very much.

 

Can vivartate mean the same as viparivartate?

 

An interesting reference is Gita 9:10 :

jagadviparivartate |

 

Shankara comments :

jagatsacharaacharaM vyaktaavyktaatmakaM viparivartate

sarvaavasthaasu |

["this universe comprising the moving and the unmoving objects, the

manifested and the unmanifested, moves on through all stages." tr.

Alladi Mahadeva Shastry]

 

Madhusudana Sarasvati comments as follows:

 

"viparivartate vividhaM parivartate. janmaadivinaashaantaM

vikaarajaatamanavaratamaasaadayatiityarthaH. ato bhaasakatvamaatre¸a

vyaapaare¸a visRRijaamiityuktam. taavataa caadityaaderiva

kartRRitvaabhaavaadudaasiinavadaasiinamityuktamiti na virodham.h.

taduktam 'asya dvaitendrajaalasya yadupaadaanakaaraNam. aj~naanaM

tadupaashritya brahma kaaraNamucyate' ......."

 

 

["viparivartate – changes diversely, i.e. it ceaselessly undergoes

all the changes form birth to destruction. Hence it was said that I

project through the mere act of being the illuminator. And in this

way, since there is an absence of agentship, as of the sun etc.,

therefore it has been said, `.....remaining (as I do) like one

unconcerned.'.......So it has been said: That which is the material

cause of this (phenomenal) magic involving duality is nescience.

Relying on that (fact) Brahman (too) is said to be the cause."

 

Gudarthadipika tr. Sw. Gambirananda.

 

 

Regards,

 

Sunder

 

[other relevant references: Brahma Sutra Bhashya 1:4:23-27]

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