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CNji wrote:

No problem.... unless you were to say that Shankara's words relating

to 'cranes and thunder' proves that he was unaware of the lower

vidyas. Shankara is Mantra Maheswara, the author of Saundarya

 

Lahari,

and his knowledge of the mantras is his knowledge of the lower

 

vidyas

as well because mantras are the root of the lower vidyas.

 

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Namaste CNji,

Thanks for this bottom line statement which is more

or less what I was saying in the first instance. I admitted

his omniscience could be operative when it was called upon

("Certain aspects of his gnosis may become operative

due to the demands of compassion") I also held that

otherwise he was operating on the normal knowledge

base of a man of his time. This appears to be the case

in the section under discussion where the illustration of

cranes & lotuses are plucked from the air so to speak.

 

The matter discussed in relation to B.S.B. II.i.35

re the begininglessness of creation or the transmigratory

state and the assumption that it has always been more or

less like we see it now give or take a millenium

may seem a more serious instance of the same deficency

in the knowledge base. Is it I ask. My view is that it

is not. From what knowledge base should he operate,

given his omniscience, from today's or from 50 years from

now or from a 1000 years from now. What would be the

point of the latter when the scientists of today would barely

get it. In this case Mythos is more powerful than Logos.

No matter what the current state of the knowledge base

myth reaches into the depths of the mystery and can draw

consciousness into sympathetic vibration.

 

There I have sketched for you a much more fruitful

approach than the 19th. century image of watchmakers

and watch parts rattling in a box which I notice has sat

on your desk since the year 2000. At least apply yourself

to the best arguments of your opponents as Shankara did.

Richard Dawkins 'The Blind Watchmaker' and 'Unweaving

the Rainbow' are readable.

 

Best Wishes,

Michael.

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Dear Sri Michaelji,

 

 

advaitin, ombhurbhuva <ombhurbhuva wrote:

 

> Thanks for this bottom line statement which is more

> or less what I was saying in the first instance.

 

It appears I misread your statement initially. But all's well that

ends well. :-)

 

> The matter discussed in relation to B.S.B. II.i.35

> re the begininglessness of creation or the transmigratory

> state and the assumption that it has always been more or

> less like we see it now give or take a millenium

> may seem a more serious instance of the same deficency

> in the knowledge base. Is it I ask. My view is that it

> is not. From what knowledge base should he operate,

> given his omniscience, from today's or from 50 years from

> now or from a 1000 years from now.

 

I am not sure I understand the question.

 

> In this case Mythos is more powerful than Logos.

> No matter what the current state of the knowledge base

> myth reaches into the depths of the mystery and can draw

> consciousness into sympathetic vibration.

 

I don't see Mythos as being fundamentally different from Logos.

Mythos is the first stirring of Logos as well as the penultimate

destination at which Logos arrives after its voyage round the

universe. Mythos I think is largely anamnetic, whereas Logos operates

through weighment (ratio-cination) of (Logos) itself before it

arrives at the anamnesis.

 

> There I have sketched for you a much more fruitful

> approach than the 19th. century image of watchmakers

> and watch parts rattling in a box which I notice has sat

> on your desk since the year 2000.

 

I was trying to avoid cluttering my desk. :-)

 

> At least apply yourself to the best arguments of your

> opponents as Shankara did. Richard Dawkins 'The Blind

> Watchmaker' and 'Unweaving the Rainbow' are readable.

 

Richard Dawkins generates more questions than provide answers, and

some of his statements are bizarre. I have many questions for

Dawkins, but since he isn't on this discussion list, I shall let them

pass.

 

 

Warm regards,

Chittaranjan

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