Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 Moderators, Advaitin Group, This is the beginning of the series on the Teaching of DharmavyAdha. I believe, I grossly underestimated the number of writings it may take to cover the teachings. I will keep going as long as it takes. Regards, K. Ramakrishna. ------------------------------ The teachings of DharmavyAdha is covered under the following Categories; 1. Description of Dharma (Code of Living). 2. Description of violence and non-violence 3. auspicious and in-auspicious karma; path for Self realization 4. Teaching of Philosophy 5. Description of five elements / Control of sense organs 6. Description of GuNas and their effects 7. Life Support function (prANa) / understanding God 8. Service of parents 9. Summary of discussion / return of Kaushika At Mithila, DharmavyAdha welcomed the Brahmin Kaushika in his butcher shop, saying he was expecting the brahmin's arrival, being sent by the devoted wife. The Brahmin was very surprised for the second time, both the devoted wife and DharmavyAdha knowing the brahmin's previous experiences of the day. DharmavyAdha said to Kaushia; this is not an appropriate place for a cultured Brahmin like you and took him to his home. Dharmavyadha offers him service and declares that he is at the service of Brahmin. Kaushika sympathizing with DharmavyAdha about his occupation, said; "karmaitadvai na sadrisham bhavatah pratibhAti mE Anutapyai bhrisham tAta tava ghorENa karmaNA" - O! Great man, I am sorry for you, engaged in this business of selling meat. I don't believe, this profession-normally the realm of cruel people, is fitting for you. DharmavyAdha replies; " kulOchitamidam karma pitru-paitAmaham param vartamAnasya mE dharmE svE manyum mA krithA dvija" - This has been the family business for generations. I am born to this family and this karma is very appropriate for me, for I am born to this family of butchers. You do not have to feel sorry for me. " vidhAtrA vihitam pUrvam karma svamaanupAlayan prayatnAccha guru vriddhou shushrUshE aham dvijOttama" - On top of it, this is not my chosen profession. This karma is prescribed by Brahma (the creator) to my family. I am following the karma prescribed to the family I am born to, dutifully and devotedly caring to the needs of my old parents. " satyam vadE nAbhyasUyE yathAshakti dadAmi cha dEvata, atithi bhrityA nAmavashishTEna vartayE" - I always speak only the truth. I do not have jealousy towards anybody. I offer charities, treat guests, feed employees, and only eat the remaining food. " Na kutsayAmi aham kinchinna garhE balavattaram kritamnvEti kartAram purA karma dvijOttama " - I will not make fun of any one, nor do I point out the bad behavior of a guilty. I will not accuse anyone, because a karma (good or bad karma) keeps following the doer of the karma. "krishi gOraksha vANijyam iha lOkasya jIvanam danDanItih trayI vidyA tEna lOkO bhavatyuta" - agriculture, dairy and business are the means of living in this world; Rulership (danDanIti) and study of the three vEdas are the means for achieving other worlds (para lOka) "karma shUdrE krishih vaishyE sangrAmE kshatriyE smritah Brahmacharyam tapO mantrAh satyam cha brAhmaNe sadA" - service of people by shUdra, agriculture, dairy and business by vaishya, dutiful rulership and fighting by kshatriya, brahmacharya (control of sense organs), tapas (austerity), study of scriptures and observing satya (truthfulness) for Brahmins are the division of labor prescribed by Brahma. "rAjA prashAsti dharmENa svakarma niratAh prajAh vikarmANascha yE kEchitta anyunakti svakarmasu" - The king dutifully protects the people engaged in their sva-karma (prescribed per birth in a varNa-discussed in the commentary at the end); It is also the king's duty to punish anyone abandoning sva-karma and navigate them towards their sva-karma " BhEtavyam hi sadA rajnyah prajAnAm adhipA hi tE vArayanti vikarmastham nripa mrigam ivEshabhih " - The people shall obey the rulers with bhaya (fear) and devotion; otherwise, the king will punish abandonment of sva-karma and navigate them towards their sva-karma, just as hunters round up animals running helter skelter. "JanakasyEha viprarshE vikarmasthO na vidyatE Svakarma niratA varnah chatvArOpi dvijOtthama " - Oh! Brahmin, in this kingdom ruled by Janaka, no one will abandon their sva-karma. People of all the four varNas - brahmin, kshatriya, vaishya, shUdra - follow their sva-karma very religiously. "Sa Esha JanakO rAjA dur-vrittham api chEt sutam daNdyam daNdyE nikshipati tathA na gLAthi dhArmikam" - Our King Janaka will punish any one who abandons sva-karma, even if he is his own son; He will not at any time punish any one following dharma. " suyukta chArO nripatih sarvam dharmENa pashyati shrIscha rAjyam cha daNdascha kshatriyANAm dvijOtthama" - The king gathers intelligence through appointed persons. He rules this kingdom without any political considerations, strictly according to dharma (dharmENa pashyati). The king owns all the wealth of the land and his main duty is protecting dharma and punishing adharma. " rAjAnO hi svadharmENa shriyam-icchanthi bhUyasIm sarvEshAm Eva varNAnAm trAtA rAjA bhavatyuta " - a King always conducts himself in sva-dharma and wishes to acquire huge wealth through such a path. He remains the protector of all varNas. " parENa hi hatAn brahman varAha mahishAn aham Na svayam hanmi viprarshE vikrINAmi sadA tvaham " - O! Brahmin, though I am a a butcher by birth, I will not kill the animals. I will sell the meat of buffaloes and pigs, that are butchered by others. " na bhakshyAmi mAmsAni ruthugAmi tathA hi aham sadA upavAsI cha tathA naktabhOjI sadA dvija " - However, I do not eat meat and have not eaten meat until today. I meet with my wife only at appropriate times. I will fast all day and eat only in the night. Though my varNa-dharma is cruel, I don't have to be cruel. " ashIlascha api purushO bhUtvA bhavati shIlavAn prANihimsA-ratascha api bhavatE dhArmikah punah " - One can be kind-hearted, even following a cruel occupation. This is my experience. One becomes cultured through undivided devotion to God. Even Conducting a cruel business, he can be a follower of dharma. " vyabhichArAn narEndrANam dharmah sankIryatE mahAn adharmO vardhatE cha api sankIryantE tatah prajAh " - If the king deviates from dharma in ruling the country, then adharma propagates throughout his kingdom, resulting in mixed breed among people (varNa sAnkarya). " bhErunDA vAmanAh kubjAh sthUlashIrshAh tathaiva cha kLIbAh cha andAscha badhirA jAyantE atyuccha lOchanAh " -increasing adharma in this world, causes increasing birth of disproportionate bodied, short, ugly, and big headed people, and also deaf, blind, visually challenged and neuter people. " pArthivAnAm adharmatvAt prajAnam abhavah sadA Sa Esha rAjA janakah prajA dharmENa pashyati anugrihNah prajAh sarvA svadharma niratAh sadA " - A king void of dharma, translates to the downfall of his people. However, as a result of king Janaka following dharma, the people are happy and contented and follow the varNa dharma ( occupation of their birth). " yE chaiva mAm prashamsanti yE cha nindanti mAnavAh sarvAn supariNitEna karmaNa tOshayAmyaham " - I treat equally, the person who praises me or accuses me; I treat the cultured people with appropriate protocol. " yE jIvanti svadharmENa samyunjynati cha pArthivAh na kinchit upajIvanti dAntA utthAnashIlinah " - The king who follows the dharma, is honest and truthful, who properly organizes his army, and controls his sense organs and actions, who is able and competent, does not depend on others; his dharma is his support. Commentary: Two questions arise here; 1) is varNa-Ashrama Dharma relevant in today's world economies? 2) What is sva-dharma in today's economic system ? We need to understand the Varna system in the first place to review these questions. VarNa is loosely translated as caste in English. VarNa encompasses lot more -the inadequacy of the English language begs a detailed description, when describing Sanskrit words. VarNa is a spiritually based economic system - allowing for earning a means of living, while at the same time making spiritual progress. What is the origin of VarNa? Sri Krishna says " chAtur-varNyam maya srishTam guNa karma vibhAgashah...." (Geeta 4-13). - The fourfold varNa system has been created by me according to Variations in GuNa and Karma (work). The four are brAhmaNa, Kshatriya, Vaishya and ShUdra (Geeta 18-41). GuNa is the spiritual Skills a jIvAtma (individual soul) accumulates in transmigrating from life to life. Three guNas are described in Geeta Chapter 14. Sattva (divine), Rajas (activity) and Tamas (Inert) are the three guNas in their purest form; every individual has a mixture of the three guNas in differing proportions and this is what drives an individual's aptitude for different kinds of work and therefore birth in an appropriate family; the mechanics of this cosmic matching is described comprehensively in the shAstra. The expressions of these guNas in defining an individual is described in chapters 17 and 18 of Geeta. The guNa, therefore describes the spiritual state of an individual. If we look at the current corporate model, any individual has the opportunity to become the CEO, if he/she plays by the rules of the corporation and accumulates skill sets, through multiple promotions, that are required to perform the duties of the CEO. This model appears to be no different from the model described by Sri Krishna and our scriptures, as a jIvAtma moves from life to life-in a re-birth model- enhancing the spiritual skills required in realization of the Self. A question may arise - is any one of the karmas of the four varNas Superior to the others? Krishna does not discriminate among them when He says " Yatah pravrittih bhUtAnam yEna sarvam idam tatam sva-karmanA tam abhyrchya siddhim vindati mAnavah" - (18-46) - From whom emerges the manifestation and evolution of beings, by whom all this is pervaded, worshipping Him by performing one's own duty, man attains perfection (realization of divinity in him). He also continues to say "It is better to perform one's own duty though short of merits or incomplete, rather than performing well the duty of another person; the person who performs sva-karma (actions ordained) doe not incur sin (18-47);similar sentiments in verse (3-35). In reviewing the questions posed in the beginning, present day commentators have described sva-dharma in different ways. While many uphold that sva-dharma is what is described in our Scriptures, some define sva-dharma as the occupation one is trained to perform or the occupation on has an aptitude in. The objections to this are 1) sva-dharma thus defined can only result in fruits of action that are limited and impermanent; does not allow attainment of "siddhi" as said above in Geeta 18-46 (may not impact on spiritual skills). 2) Such a definition violates Sri Krishna's command in Geeta 16-24; " tasmAt shAstram pramANam tE kArya akArya vyavasthitou jnyAtvA shAstra vidhAna uktam karma kartum iha arhasi " - therefore, in determining what ought to be done and what ought not to be done, the scripture is your authority; Having known the laws of the scripture, you should do karma (work) in this world. As if recognizing the difficulty of observing sva-dharma in the current World economy, the 20th century philosopher Shri D.V. Gundappa, in his masterpiece work in Kannada, Manku Thimmana Kagga (The Ramblings of Timma, the ignorant), advises the following; " EraDu kONegaLa nIm mADu manada Alayadi Hora-kONeyali lOgara AtagaLanAdu viramisobbane mouna-doLamaneya shAntiyali varayOga sUtravidu - Manku Timma " - (verse 701) In the mind's mansion, organize two chambers In the outer chamber, play the games of the world in the tranquility of the inner, repose in silence this is the best recipe for an integrated life - Manku Timma. D.V. Gundappa is advising that if the environment presented to us is not conducive to practice sva-dharma in public life, in whatever varNa we are born to, there is scope to observe sva-dharma in our private life. If our efforts are sincere, somewhere along the way, we will receive the grace of a Guru. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 Namaste Krishnamurthy-ji; You say: > D.V. Gundappa is advising that if the environment presented to us is not > conducive to practice sva-dharma in public life, in whatever varNa we are > born to, there is scope to observe sva-dharma in our private life. > If our efforts are sincere, somewhere along the way, we will receive the > grace of a Guru. > According to Sw. Sivananda-ji, and what i was led to believe in the first part of your post also, Lord Krsna explains the nature of the varna system as being guna-oriented, as opposed to birth oriented. As it is noted, a social discrepancy arises out of the mis-interpretation of those very same verses, which could easily be held as a symptom of social corruption, and an attempt to subvert the meaning of the scriptures to benefit this or that particular caste (again, socially, setting spirituality aside, while oddly enough, simultaneously using it as an argument to gain social benefit). Given that gunas are certainly not genetically transmited, the coherence and logic of the varna system (and through this the very foundation of karma yoga) are shaken by such statements as "in whatever varna we are born to". I believe it would be more appropriate to say "to" whatever varna, not in, as our parents are not the ones to determine which gunas will make up the most of our beings. Finally, i engage in such discussions simply because i believe karma yoga to be not exclusive to hindus alone, and to characterize varna as an hereditary matter would make up a world with four kinds of people, one kind of half-people, and five billion walking voids. What to say about if we are all one, where does all this fits in? I would like to hear your take on this, as your position was made unclear through your last statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 --- Krishnamurthy Ramakrishna <puttakrishna wrote: > Moderators, Advaitin Group, > This is the beginning of the series on the Teaching of DharmavyAdha. > I believe, I grossly underestimated the number of writings it may take > to cover the teachings. I will keep going as long as it takes. > Regards, > K. Ramakrishna. Shree Ramakrishna Please do so. We have all the patience. It is a beautiful post and thanks. About varNaashrama - I would like to share the essence of the talk Swami ParamArthAnandaji gave sometime back. Classification is done based on three factors. 1. By birth 2) by guNa and 3) by karma. By GuNa: Bhagavad Gita emphasizes the second two aspects rather than the first. GuNa classification is based on the satva rajas and tamo guNa - The predominance of satva is classified as Brahmana, predominance of Rajas is classified as xatriya and performance of tamas is sudra. The mixture of Rajas and tamas is Vaisya. Since guNa can be cultivated by following proper value-system one can grow from one state to the other ( and fall from one to the other). In addition, the classification becomes universal. BY karma: This classification is based on ones duty. Here Brahmana's duty is to study and teach the shaastras. Here teaching is not only by verbal but also by way of living. Study of the shaastras and teaching to the others becomes his dharma. By way of living, all the values that Krishna teaches in the 16th chapter - Asurii sampath are to be followed. Saatvik food, saatvik actions etc xatriyas duty is based on rajasic guNa - following rajasic dharma - primarily protection of the law and to maintain the educational system by financial and other support so that Brahman's can teach. xatriyas have to learn the scriptures too but their duty does not involve teaching. Vaishyas by guNa are business people where concern is the bottom line in terms of what they can get - but earning and maintaining the standard of life with in Dharma. They also should study the scriptures. Sudras are tamasic predominant and do not have the capacity or inclination to study the scriptures. Just follow the leaders and support the system by following service-oriented professions. By karma, one can grow from sudra to vaisya to xatria to brahmana - by growing from tamasic to rajasic to sAtvic guNas. By birth -Due to puurva janma karma and guNa one is borne to a particular family that is conducive for his growth. By acquiring other guNas and karmas he grows in to that varna inspite his varna by birth. One can by birth, he is brahman but by guNa and karma, he may be xatriya or even sudra. Obviously one can change the varna that is acquired by birth. But by following guNa and karma one can change ones varna. Of all the three systems of classification - the guNa and Karma is universal and that is exactly what Shree Krishna emphasizes in Gita. There are in other places in Mahabharata, where YudhishhTara echoes the classification by guNa and karma rather than birth. Hence, emphasis is on the second two than the third. That system is more universal system than just by birth alone. VajrasUchi Upanishad in fact emphasizes the classification based on guNa and karma. We have examples like viswamitra who became a brahma jnaani and we have dronacharya and aswatthaama who took up the xatriya profession. We have Valmiki who grow into Brahmana by changing his guNa and thus karma. This is the summary of Swamiji talk. Hari OM! Sadananda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 Namaste Sadananda-ji; Thank you very much for the clarification on the varna issue. I still have some doubts, and if you could enlighten-me on the matter i would be grateful. At which point does the classification by guna and karma begins to be related to birth? Up to which point does hindu society acknowledges change in varna given the relation between one's guna, karma and birth? >From firsthand experience alone, i have began to apprehend with some ease the predominance of determined gunas in the people i most closely relate to. How would this knowledge, as regards to several distinct characteristics in my family, serve as guidance to determining the characteristics of the surrounding environment of birth of a westerner like me? Finally, does the varna system serves as reference to one's sva-dharma on an external or internal view-point? Meaning, identifying the surrounding environment, and the possibilities that arise underlining the path of life for one, and adding to this the "anirvachanya" feeling of treading one's true path wouldn't suffice without adding an external label such as this or that varna? How did viswamitra, dronacharya, aswatthaama and Valmiki, for instance, cope with the conflict arising between the knowledge of one's true varna and the birth-given one, and more importantly, based on what grounds did they got enough conviction, shradda and convincing power enough to find their own ways, given that as part of society, both an external and the internal observer could deem their behaviour as beeing against dharma? My warmest regards to you, Krishnamurthy-ji (whom i forgot to properly greet on my way out in the last post) and all... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 > Namaste Sadananda-ji; > > Thank you very much for the clarification on the varna issue. I still > have some doubts, and if you could enlighten-me on the matter i would > be grateful. > > At which point does the classification by guNa and karma begins to be > related to birth? Up to which point does hindu society acknowledges > change in varna given the relation between one's guNa, karma and > birth? Shree fcrema - my praNaams. Let me provide my understanding. As I mentioned in my Gita Navaneetam - Krishna's teaching has universal application and not just to India - Hence it should be understood on that basis. Classification on guNa and karma is purely for one's evolution purpose. One cannot judge others - it is only to evaluate one's emotional maturity and values in life so that a proper yoga can be practiced for realization. Tamasic tendencies are predominately centered on the body level - taking care of body needs or sensuous pleasures are dominant - Application of buddhi is minimum. Procrastinations and laziness are predominant for a saatvik person. You can see that many that fall in to that category - there is no self-motivation to evolve. Work only for stomach sake and do the minimum to get maximum. This is the mental attitude of a tamasic person. For him to evolve - more physical work involving self-less service is helpful to get out as couch potato. Rajasic person always wants to act and cannot sit down quietly - and becomes restless. Want to accomplish - name, fame, glory, power, etc. These are workaholics too. They criticize both tamasic people as well as even the saatvik people who want to sit down and contemplate. For that kind of person, it is important to devote again on karma yoga that benefits the society. They are leaders and channel others as well into dynamic action. Saatvik mentality is those who are not too keen on action, but want to study and think - analytical approach, scientific mentality, would like to sit down and contemplate. Not interested in politics but can provide guidance. They are the ones are more suited for research and discovery of the truth. They are the ones who can teach others as well. These are found across the humanity. One can be an engineer but lethargic falling into tamasic nature while other can be engineer but falling into saatvik nature with his mental attitude in the action and in his way of living. The classification is not meant for evaluating others but to evaluate oneself to see how to purify his mind so that it is prepared for jnaana yoga. Now your questions - A bay when born all it wants is food in proper interval and sleep and play - So everybody is born as sudra. As one evolves - the tendencies of the mind will show up. Some want to think and somewhat to just have a fun and play - they are also born in a family conducive for their growth. Some born in an environment where action and material sucess is glorified. Some born in falimilies where education at any cost is emphasized. Some in complete spiritual environment. Krishna in fact says so in the 6th chapter. Those that could not reach the highest yoga will be born in an environment conducive for growth. Sometime they make use of a given enviroment for their growth - please study the biography of Ammachi, the fisherman-lady - she has become the brahmana the supreme by developing the saatvik guNa. And now she is teaching others the spirituality. We also know cases wherein both parents are so busy that the children do not have proper care for growth and they end up growing up as nuts. I met an old classmate of mine who was proudly displaying his son’s capabilities - Apparently, he wants to bring up his without any religious prejudices. Hence, no religion is taught at home - of course, whatever they teach in the school is mostly based on Christian traditions. Therefore, his son told it seems that he is a Hindu Christian and father is so proud of that. However, there are many cases where in spite of parents, children can become brilliant and avail any opportunities to grow to develop their faculties. As the child grows, the prakRiti guNas will slowly manifest and one can grow from tamasic to rajasic and as one becomes more mature to saatvik nature. PuruSha Suuktam explains how one climbs form feet to the face as one evolves to saatvik guan. Liberation is possible by jnaana for which chitta Siddhi with pure saatvik guNa is essential. > From firsthand experience alone, I have began to apprehend with some > ease the predominance of determined gunas in the people i most closely > relate to. How would this knowledge, as regards to several distinct > characteristics in my family, serve as guidance to determining the > characteristics of the surrounding environment of birth of a westerner > like me? My suggestion is not to evaluate others. Those how have tendency to sit and contemplate - encourage them in that. Those who are dynamic and active want to do something - encourage them in that. Those who are lazy - at least ask to build their body by physical yoga instead of sitting like couch potato. There is yoga for everyone. As for as you are concerned - since you are already getting exposed to advaita list - concentrate on the study - proper guide will come but till them learn more by discussions and by asking questions and attending lectures on spirituality. That is the only way to quiten the mind, redirect the mind to higher, and mind becomes more and contemplative. > Finally, does the varna system serves as reference to one's sva-dharma > on an external or internal view-point? Meaning, identifying the > surrounding environment, and the possibilities that arise underlining > the path of life for one, and adding to this the "anirvachanya" > feeling of treading one's true path wouldn't suffice without adding an > external label such as this or that varna? Yes. you are right. swadharma depends what you want to accomplish in life and redirecting all mental energies towards that. It is self-evaluation and not for evaluation of others. How did viswamitra, > dronacharya, aswatthaama and Valmiki, for instance, cope with the > conflict arising between the knowledge of one's true varna and the > birth-given one, and more importantly, based on what grounds did they > got enough conviction, shradda and convincing power enough to find > their own ways, given that as part of society, both an external and > the internal observer could deem their behaviour as beeing against > dharma? I think in my karma yoga series I had address these questions in term of swadharma - (there is post with that subtitle too. If you study, it will answer most of your questions. Hope this helps. Hari OM! Sadananda > My warmest regards to you, Krishnamurthy-ji (whom i forgot to properly > greet on my way out in the last post) and all... > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 Namaste Sadananda-ji, ProfessorVk-ji and all; After reading your exposition, along with professorvk-ji's on the subject, i take that in the end what matters is constitution by gunas afterall... Sadananda-ji, i was not asking those questions about understanding those that are closer to me in the sense of judging them, or measuring their value etc, i was just interested in ascertaining my genetic background with more precision as regards to what my varna would be, but in the end it became clear that even though i may have grown in a predominantly rajaasic environment, that hasn't got necessarily much to do with my varna. Thank you and ProfessorVk-ji for the clarifications on the issue. My warmest regards to all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 ______________________ Fcremaji wrote (I assume this is the name, correct me if I am wrong) Namaste Krishnamurthy-ji; You say: > D.V. Gundappa is advising that if the environment presented to us is not > conducive to practice sva-dharma in public life, in whatever varNa we are > born to, there is scope to observe sva-dharma in our private life. > If our efforts are sincere, somewhere along the way, we will receive the > grace of a Guru. > According to Sw. Sivananda-ji, and what i was led to believe in the first part of your post also, Lord Krsna explains the nature of the varna system as being guna-oriented, as opposed to birth oriented. As it is noted, a social discrepancy arises out of the mis-interpretation of those very same verses, which could easily be held as a symptom of social corruption, and an attempt to subvert the meaning of the scriptures to benefit this or that particular caste (again, socially, setting spirituality aside, while oddly enough, simultaneously using it as an argument to gain social benefit). Given that gunas are certainly not genetically transmited, the coherence and logic of the varna system (and through this the very foundation of karma yoga) are shaken by such statements as "in whatever varna we are born to". I believe it would be more appropriate to say "to" whatever varna, not in, as our parents are not the ones to determine which gunas will make up the most of our beings. Finally, i engage in such discussions simply because i believe karma yoga to be not exclusive to hindus alone, and to characterize varna as an hereditary matter would make up a world with four kinds of people, one kind of half-people, and five billion walking voids. What to say about if we are all one, where does all this fits in? I would like to hear your take on this, as your position was made unclear through your last statement. Dear Fcremaji, Thank you for the post. The description of the varna system I discussed is strictly in the context of spiritual discipline and not in a social context. I therefore, specifically, used the term spiritual skills to emphasize this. Though guNas are not genetically transmitted, it is fair to say that a certain guNa may find its way to certain place of birth, as said by Sri Krishna in chapter 6 of Geeta in the following verses. A seeker who has not attained yoga is born in the house of the pure and the prosperous ... (verse 41), which offers the continuity for his quest. Or he is born in the family of the wise yogis; this kind of birth is indeed very difficult to attain .. (verse 42) Being born in the family of yogis, he brings with him the yogic intellect from his previous birth, and again strives for attaining perfection in yoga .... (verse 43); I believe the environment enhances the intensity of effort in that life. My take on this is the following; if people vs. guNa is a normal bell curve, the match of a parent may be simple with in the one sigma area. As you go to the fringes, the jIvAtma's (soul) search for the appropriate family becomes that much narrower. The message of Geeta is universal and so does karma yoga, as you so correctly stated. We go through many thousands of lives for attainment of Realization. In this process, the seeker is perhaps born in all religions and all continents, carrying the imprints (vAsanAs) of each, where he has shown tolerance to all people of all faiths. PraNAms K. Ramakrishna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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