Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 Ref: Message: 11 Fri, 10 Mar 2006 15:57:29 -0000 "Ram Chandran" <ramvchandran Re: Varna System Namaste Sri Subbu: The book on "Dialogues with the Guru" has many interesting discussions and I do not remember that it has addressed issues with respect to the debate on the Varna System. The primary question related to the Varna is whether it is equivalent to the present "Caste System"? The answer is obviously no and everyone participated in the debate do seem to agree that birth origin alone did not determine one's Varnadharma. The debaters also seem to agree that.the "dharma" and "Varna" both have been degenerating. There is also some historic evidence supporting the view that foreign occupation/influence are also partly responsible for the degeneration. The bottom line for us is to accept that we are fully responsible for the social evils exhibited in the present "Caste System." One of the reasons for equating the "caste system" to "Varnadharma" is our difficulty to separate the "Sanatana Dharma" with the social and cultural practices of the people of India. The following excerpts from the book, "The Vedas," by Kanchi Kamakoti Mahaswamigal, Chandrasekaharendra Saraswati illustrates the fact that we are mostly ignorant about our religion: Dear Advaitins: Pranams to all. The question of varna system being different from the present caste system did not arise to me. The traditional school in which I was trained did not seek to make such a distinction. The scriptures point to the four varnas and we were taught that we are all born into one varna or the other. There are a lot of subtle ideas behind this. The varnadharmas spoken of in the Scriptural context can be seen with somewhat clarity in the commentary named Gita-vakya-tatparya-bodhini to the Bhagavadgita First chapter by Sri Shankarananda Saraswati. This commentary speaks of the great loss that will ensue because of decimating the people of a particular kula. Arjuna says all this to highlight the case to withdraw from the war. The death of men of the families will leave the families with no one to practice and teach the kula dharma to the others. When kuladharma and jatidharma are not practiced, the great benefit that arises out of such practices will not accrue to the others. Thereby the family, the women, will fall to immoral ways. There will be varna-sankara, admixture of castes and those who indulge in it and those who are born out of it will all be sinning. All this will lead further to the pitris not getting the offerings and the descendents of such families will be cursed by the pitris and all this will result in doom. Now the question is: How will all this fit in in any other context? While the varna is inalienably connected to the spiritual development of the jiva, so too its twin, the ashrama. The practice of varna dharma is not divorced from the practice of ashrama dharma. They go together. Since the ultimate spiritual goal is of an extremely subtle nature, the veda has designed the life of struggle to reach that goal by enjoining practices that are conducive to attain that goal. Although in the final picture the Atman is avarna, agotra, and bereft of ashrama, yet, this 'adhyaropa' of these are a necessity for the jiva to evolve. The daily activities from dawn to night and up to one's end of this life's journey, all the activities are regulated by the Sastra, for without regulation it is in the nature of man to quickly lapse into the animal nature. There is this saying: Before Upanayanam, one's behaviour is driven by indiscriminate desire, kaama achara, kaama vaada (reckless speech) and kaama bhaksha , reckless eating. But after upanayanam all this is bound to change. Upanayanam is a samskara. There are regulations as to how one should talk, bathe, perform sandhya, prostrate before the elders, eat moderately, speak moderately, etc. In the environment, that is in his house, ideally, the father practices all these and the mother and others also bound by several regulations, kula dharma, jaati dharma, act conducively to everyone's spiritual upliftment. That is the environment inside the house and outside, among his relatives, his class mates, in the families of the same varna too such conducive behaviour is seen. All this add to the jivas' samskara and help in their evolution. That is the reason for the insistence that a person is born in a particular varna. The marks of a brahmana, kshatriya,etc are all given to evaluate oneself at constant intervals and regulate one's being. Supposing a person not born in the vedic varna is sought to be admitted into it. First, in which varna is he to be admitted? What is the ritual to accomplish this? Which shastra specifies this? Supposing the man is admitted into the Brahmana varna, which every aspirant to enter the varna fold would want, how is the upanayanam to be done? If the person is already married, there is no possibility for a grahastha for investiture. Upanayanam will require him to already belong to a particular vedic shakha. In which shakha is he to be admitted? The shastra says 'svashakha' means the shakha which the vatu, the new brahmachari's father studied. And that is the shakha which was studied by his father and so on. And then, the question of gotra. Everyone belongs to a gotra. Which gotra should we allot to the newcomer? Then the Sutra, Apasthamba, Ashvalayana, etc. will have to be specified. All these depend on the family and invariably determined by birth. So it is not merely calling oneself a brahmana and putting on a thread. In the vedic scheme from birth, pre-natal, up to death there are several samskaras. All are veda-vihita and have to be performed accordingly. How is it possible to do all this to someone who is not born in a particular varna? If someone says varna and caste are different, the sastra makes no such distinction. Even the dictionary gives them the same meaning. And there are other practices peculiar to the varnas. In a traditional Brahmin household, when a boy or anyone for that matter, puts his hand in his mouth, or bites his nails, or touches the interior parts of the ears, nose or other private parts, he is asked to wash the hands. After having meals, the place is cleaned with adding a little cowdung. While drinking, one should not sip the tumbler. Women during periods are made to stay separately and not allowed to mix with others or even dine with others or before the others have eaten. All this is not seen as torture. Even today I have seen some women from Smartha and Madhva community, upon becoming widow, shaving their heads, not out of compulsion, but voluntarily subjecting to it, considering the unseen benefit it would bring to them. Ekadasi fasting is willingly undertaken. My Madhwa friends have told me that even small children, due to association with the parents, willingly subject to fasting. And then the pollution arising out of death, birth etc. One might not get satisfactory answers to these on a concrete basis. But the sampradaya in which one grows up assures him unseen benefits. The Vedanta teaches the most impure and detestable nature of the body. But by nature we are most attached to the body. All the training and regulation that the family, the group, the community as a whole practices, will benefit in the jiva slowly but surely giving up attachment to the body. The Yoga sutra that teaches shoucham, purity of the body and the mind, the former accomplished by cleansing the body with water and mud after every defacation, says that the result of observing the practice of shoucham is the arising of disgust towards the body. The mere teaching of 'janma-mrtyu-jaraa-vyaadhi-dukha-dosha-anudarshanam' is insufficient. All these above practices done on a daily basis, for years, for several births, will confer the spiritual benefits that they are intended to. The Gita asks one to become 'nistraigunya' by not falling into the trap of the vedic allurements. But the Gita in the 18th chapter enjoins on the aspirant to do yajna dana and tapas as they are paavanakaram, purify. And they not to be given up. Where will one learn these excepting from the karma portion of the Vedas? These portions are accessible to those with varna and ashrama. The 17th chapter says that a rite has to be done as per the prescription of the shastra. Dakshina, food, mantras are all part of this. How can one delink these from varna and ashrama? Mother Dhyanasaraswati mentioned about cutting her hairs. Mother, pl. pardon me for telling this. Our Acharya has said that cutting of hairs is not advisable for a Sumangali. I do not know your status on this. My aunt, from an orthodox family from Madras, after marriage to my maternal uncle went to live in New Jersey for over fifteen years. During all these years she remained with her 'pinnal, podavai and poo'. She was able to observe all the practices associated with a traditional household, thanks to my uncle's full cooperation. She learnt driving, added to her qualifications and even worked there intermittently in various capacities. Speaking of Ashrama, the four Ashramas, stages of life, are also based on the veda. The vedic married life is not a mere social institution. Nor is it a just living together of a man and woman. Neither is it husbandry. It is called 'vivaha' and is a major samskara. The husband is called yajamana, charged with the duty of making his entire life a yajna. The wife is called dharmapatni or yajnapatni. She participates in all the dharmic karmas the husband performs. She acquires immense punyam because of this. The shastras say that the holding of her hand by the husband during the vivaha, called 'paanigrahanam' is symbolic of his taking charge of her spiritual development thereafter. She is said to have undergone the 'upanayana samskara' by being wedded to him and becomes his disciple. Thus we see that the practices when undertaken in the gross level percolate to the inner psyche of the jiva and produces the necessary condition for the spiritual transformation to take place. This is what underlies the idea of varna and ashrama in the vedic way of life. How is this possible for someone who is not born in the varnas? The appreciation of this principle itself will take a long time for people born in the particular varnas. How can a person from outside even appreciate these things? The question of pollution bothers many westerners. In traditional households, after a person has taken bath and is engaged in puja, sandhya, japa, homa, etc. others who are not 'clean' do not touch him. He himself does not touch his private, impure parts during such periods. Women while cooking are not supposed to touch their hairs, lest hairs should fall in the food and render it impure. On the same count, it is said that those who are engaged in the profession of cleaning toilets, hair cutting, etc. are not contacted unnecessarily. If cruelty or arrogance is the basis for such practices, the person does attract sin. In the Vivekachudamani verse 93, for the words varna-ashramaadi-niyamaaH, the Jagadguru Chandrasekhara Bharati Swamigal says in the commentary: By one's practices one is identified by others as 'he is a brahmana, a brahmachaari,' etc. These practices, by giving samskara to the body, give samskara to the mind. Through that, these practices become helpful for the dawn of Jnanam. Therefore, even though the varna and ashrama are due to adhyasa, they are to be practiced with ardour. Speaking on the topic of early marriage and the problem of widowhood, the Acharya says in the book 'Dialogues with the Guru', in conclusion: "There is absolutely no need to find fault with the Sastras or to seek to alter them. You will find on the other hand that it is the disobedience of the Sastras that has brought all this evil. Restore them to their rightful throne of authority. All will be well." In conclusion, let me say that those born outside the varnas have nothing to lose. Their sincerity in seeking the truth will surely bring them the necessary guidance, even as our Michael ji pointed out. The required samskaras can be gained by being in Satsanga and by constant exposure to the Supreme teaching. Above all, a personal Guru will be able to help in the best way. I think it was Sri Neelakantan ji that posted the letter this very Acharya had written to a French sadhaka. The Acharya gave sagacious upadesha for the aspirant's daily practice and even blessed him with a photo of His own Guru, to reverentially relate to on a daily basis. The modus of the descent of divine blessing is inscrutable! My best wishes and warmest regards to all my brothers and Mothers here. Amen. Om. Subbu Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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