Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 Thankyou Sri Dhyanasarasvati, > (I shall not talk about this anymore, since social > issues donot concern me being a Bhikku and a monk. > ) > > Yogiji , i found these two lines not only amusing > but intriguing as > well. The very fact that a bhikku and monk is a > member of the > Advaitin group tells me that he likes to associate > with like-minded > devotees and loves SATSANGATI. Please note: I am not promoting Buddhism. Yet if people think so, I cannot help that. This post is sincerely only in response to the question raised This is a question that concerns me as a Bhikku. Under normal circumstances I would not bother about this message of yours. But this might be needed to understand the way certain portions of Dhamma are modified as time progresses. In being a monk seeking after enlightenment, there are two requirements: 1. To work towards one's own enlightenment. 2. To gain from the world insight about thought, philosophy and if possible impart some useful Dhamma to those that are willing to hear or those that question appropriately. The first requires complete mauna or 'Arya mauna' (noble silence) where a monk communicates with noone else. The second however requires communication. These may seem contradictory. This is why there is training. A trained monk should not need to indulge in the second activity. Besides, he is considered trained when he reaches the stage of non-return. For such a monk, confidence in the path is so high that he would get enlightened in this very birth. A monk still undergoing training, need however to work on the first activity with ardor and in the second activity as well, till he reaches the stage of non-return. This is done to ensure that lay people who are unaware of Dhamma may be able to gain something from him and so may the monk himself gain from the people about Dhamma itself. It is however imperative that the monk deal only with Dhamma. He should not read, hear, talk etc. about anything other than the Dhamma. He should also keep away from debates and arguements, but may humbly give up with an earnest protest, if someone speaks ill of the Dhamma. (Giving up ensures that the monk has no more interest left in winning arguements on Dhamma.) This ensures that he remains focussed. If violated, the monk jeopardizes his own progress. When the Buddha said Sangha in the ancient days, this is what he meant, in the secondary sense, although in the primary sense a Sangha consists of monks alone, meant for those not yet ordained. In the secondary sense, meant for monks just ordained and still undergoing training, it means all those people that seek liberation or enlightenment through prajna or knowledge or wisdom, ordained, or unordained. In this stage, one reads the texts containing the teachings of the Buddha and the arahants. He also reads the texts of all other philosphies, to gain confidence in the Buddha's Dhamma. When this monk enters the stage of non-return, he does not indulge in such activities, but gives them up without difficulty as he loses attachment/clinging for such communication. The Buddha specifically says that the monk should discard questions such as 'Who am I?' 'Do I have a self?', 'Who created the Universe?', for they lead only to stress. Keeping this in mind, a monk reads all philosophies, without clinging to any of them [including the Buddha's Dhamma] and when he enters the stage of non-return, all philosophies and metaphysics [whether Buddhist or otherwise] become worthless. Such a monk is a once-returner or one who would attain enlightenment in one more birth. He may not take birth in the human realm, but in some real of gods or some other higher realm and then may be enlightened in that realm of consciousness itself. He may also take birth in the human realm like Gotama the Buddha or others like Sankara and would then be enlightened in that birth itself. In that birth, he is born as a non-returner and hence all works on philosophy, ritual, metaphysics etc. would appear worthless to him. This does not entail anything about my progress and a monk never talks of his own progress, as he then measures himself and either feels remorse at not attaining enlightenment [which is sorrow, the very thing he wishes to do away with.] or feels pride in acheivement [another deterrent to progress.] -Bhikku Yogi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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