Language origination

March 12, 2006

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10 Mar 2006 14:10:09 -0000

"bhuvan eswar chilukuri" <bhuvaneswarc

Re: Time contraction phenomenon

respected sir,

I have asked anybody I came in contact with when they talk about this

kundalini bijaksharas.

I myself tried this once when i was practising gayathri by mudras. I

did feel the three na:dis vaguely but not the chakras.

YeSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS. I am seriously interested in it because I

have a major problem to solve: To find out how language originated from

first hand experience of the people who saw its evolution by yoga.

That is why I am asking . i met many people who wrote books on sri

vidya and they gave me the same type of answers.

Thank u very much.

I hope u know about how language originated according to the scriptures

if there is any clear cut description of it.

Dear Sri Bhuvaneswar ji:

Namaste. Your question of the origination of language as per the scriptures

resulted in a small search and the following is what I could understand:

In our Aupanishada Siddhanta, the creation of the universe is coeval with the

manifestation of the Vedas. This situation does not give room for the theory

that first people were mute and slowly language evolved. In the Gita III

chapter, it is said that Prajapati created the beings along with the Vedas.

However, i am not very well informed about the above subject.

The Sutasamhita-tika 1.5.9 says:

Arising from the effort born of the desire on the part of man to speak out

what he has known, the vital air in the muladhara is set into the prior state of

flux. By this air, the sabdabrahman that is everywhere becomes manifest. This

sabdabrahman that is manifest, of the nature of kaaranabindu, motionless as

abiding in itself, is spoken of as paraavaak. When the same rises to the level

of the navel and rendered manifest there, as associated with the mind with its

discursive (deliberating) faculty, becomes dynamic and effulgent, it is of the

nature of kaaryabindu, of the form of Isvara from the cosmic standpoint and is

spoken of as pashyantiivaak. Again, the same rising upto the heart, and

associated with the intellect with the faculty of decisive knowledge, partaking

of the special motions, being of the nature of naada and bindu and of the form

of Hiranyagarbha from the cosmic standpoint, is spoken of as madhyamaavaak. The

same, rising as far as the mouth, rendered manifest in

the throat etc, of the nature of the letters of the alphabet beginning with 'a'

(of Sanskrit) and ending with 'ksha' fit for being grasped by the ear of the

hearer, of the nature of bija, of the form of Viraat from the cosmic standpoint,

is spoken of as vaikharivaak.

Commenting on the Kenopanishad 1.5. Yad vaachaa anabhyuditam yena vaak

abhyudyate… the Bhashya says:

'That' means here Consciousness Itself. Vaak is the organ presided over by

Agni occupying eight localities in the body, such as the root of the tongue,

etc. The letters are intended to express the meaning to be conveyed and are

subject to laws as to their number and order. The word which is produced by

them is called vaak. The Sruti says: 'The letter 'a' is all speech, which,

being produced by the use of letters divided into sparsa, antastha and uushma

becomes diverse and assumes many forms.' The Rik, Yajus, Saama and truth and

falsehood are its modifications. By such speech enclosed in words and

conditioned by the organ of speech Brahman is not illumined or explained.

Brahman by Its brightness, illumines speech and its oragn.

There is a reference in the Mahabharata, Mokshadharma 210-19:

In the days of yore the great rishis received through austerities with the

permission of Hiranyagarbha, the Vedas together with the itihasas which had

remained withdrawn during dissolution.

Another smriti:

In the beginning was projected by Prajapati the eternal (without beginning or

end) the divine speech in the form of Vedas from which proceed all activities.

Taittiriya Brahmana: He uttered the word 'BhuH'. He created the earth.

The Sutra bhashya 1.3.8.28 says:

And even this projection of speech is to be understood in the sense of

starting of a cycle (tradition) of transmission through a line of teachers and

students; for no other kind of projection is possible for Vedas which are

without beginning and end.

The Manusmriti 1.21 says:

In the beginning He created from the Vedic words themselves the names of all

beings and all actions separately as also the separate modes of life.

The Mahabharata, Mokshadharma 232.25:

In the beginning He, the Great Lord, created from the words of the Veda alone

the names and forms of the creatures and promoted religious activities (karmas).

Bhuvaneswar ji, by no means this is a deep study of the subject. But what I

understand from these is that since it is said above that the names of all

beings and all actions are created from the Vedic words themselves, there can't

be a separate origination of the language separate from the Vedas which

themselves are without a beginning, anadi, apaurusheya.

The Grammarian Bhartruhari says:

Anaadi-nidhanam ….

The immutable Brahman without beginning or end is the sum and substance of all

sound. The world of objects denoted by words is an apparent transfiguration

(vivarta) of this Brahman. (Bhartruhari)

I have heard that sound originated from the sounding of the Dhakka in the

hands of Shiva which came to be known as the basis for the Maaheshwara sutras.

Kindly look for more information elsewhere. There is a website:

languageinindia.com which might throw some light on the subject.

These views are not very deeply considered and told here. Please do not take

them to be authoritative. They can be taken as just indicators to the direction

in which you could search further. Learned members like Sri Chittaranjan Naik,

Sri Sundar or Sri Hersh Bhasin could help in this regard.

With warm regards,

subbu

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March 12, 2006

rESPECTEDsIR,

THANK YOU VEERY MUCH INDEED FORUR KINDNESS!!!!

I WILL WRITE TO LATER with some quotes from the scriptures.

In the meantime let the blessings of

SRI SAMKARA BHAGAVATPU:JYAPA:DA BE WITH U FORURSERVICE!!!

lOVE

bhuvANESWAR

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 V Subrahmanian wrote :

>

>Ref: Message: 7

>

> 10 Mar 2006 14:10:09 -0000

>

> "bhuvan eswar chilukuri" <bhuvaneswarc

>

>Re: Time contraction phenomenon

>

>respected sir,

>

>I have asked anybody I came in contact with when they talk about this

>

>kundalini bijaksharas.

>

>I myself tried this once when i was practising gayathri by mudras. I

>

>did feel the three na:dis vaguely but not the chakras.

>

>YeSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS. I am seriously interested in it because I

>

>have a major problem to solve: To find out how language originated from

>

>first hand experience of the people who saw its evolution by yoga.

>

>That is why I am asking . i met many people who wrote books on sri

>

>vidya and they gave me the same type of answers.

>

>Thank u very much.

>

>I hope u know about how language originated according to the scriptures

>

>if there is any clear cut description of it.

Dear Sri Bhuvaneswar ji:

>

> Namaste. Your question of the origination of language as per the scriptures

resulted in a small search and the following is what I could understand:

> In our Aupanishada Siddhanta, the creation of the universe is coeval with

the manifestation of the Vedas. This situation does not give room for the

theory that first people were mute and slowly language evolved. In the Gita III

chapter, it is said that Prajapati created the beings along with the Vedas.

However, i am not very well informed about the above subject.

>

> The Sutasamhita-tika 1.5.9 says:

> Arising from the effort born of the desire on the part of man to speak out