Does Varna system resemble the present day Caste System?

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advaitin, V Subrahmanian <subrahmanian_v

wrote:

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> Pranams to all. The question of varna system being different

from the present caste system did not arise to me. The traditional

school in which I was trained did not seek to make such a

distinction.

 

Namaste Sri Subbu:

 

I may agree with you if your statement contains the condition that

some aspects of Varna System and present day caste system have

similarites. Both an elephant and a donkey have 4 legs, a tail, and a

body. Can we make the conclusion that they are the same? Identical

twins may be considered equal at the time of their birth but when

they grow from childhood to adulthood, they acquire distinct

characteristics (Gunas). There is famous saying to the effect that

the purity of the water is determined not through its origin: the

greatness of a Rishi is also not determined on basis of his birth

origin.

 

I do come from a traditional Vaideeka family but I will not accept

that a child born in lower caste is inferior to my own child. I

believe that all Children are divine and they are His gift. Lord

Krishna in Bhagavad Gita declares in chapter 10, verse 30

that "Praklad, the demon by birth is Me!"

 

Warmest regards,

 

Ram Chandran

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advaitin, "Ram Chandran" <ramvchandran

wrote:

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>

> I do come from a traditional Vaideeka family but I will not accept

> that a child born in lower caste is inferior to my own child. I

> believe that all Children are divine and they are His gift. Lord

> Krishna in Bhagavad Gita declares in chapter 10, verse 30

> that "Praklad, the demon by birth is Me!"

>

> Warmest regards,

>

> Ram Chandran

>

Namaste,

 

However you are conscious of your caste status as a Vaideeka

obviously.This may be part of the problem. Taling about things on

here may help but as Freud said; 'talking is for converting human

mysery into ordinary human unhappiness.....ONS..Tony.

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Namaste Sri Tony:

 

When I say that I come from a Vaideeka family, I am just informing that

my father's profession is Vaideekam - a person responsible for

conducting Vedic Karmas. I can't inherit my father's profession by just

being his son. Please understand, that because someone is born to a

Vaideeka family doesn't provide the credentials to become a Vaideeka -

he/she needs to undergo over 10 years of Vedic schooling to master the

Vedic mantras and the procedures of conducting Vedic rituals

(Samskaras). Those who possess the qualifications and undergone the

necessary training to conduct Vedic karmas can only become a Vaideekar.

 

In Western countries, when someone says that "he/she belongs to a

blacksmith family," that does not imply as a reference to a caste!

Similarly, my statement that , I belong to a vaideeka family, should be

understood appropriately. Your response just confirms how westerners

like you are misinformed about the Hindu Varna Dharma system.

 

I hope my clarification helps you to clear your doubts,

 

regards,

 

Ram Chandran

 

Note: Most of our problems are mostly due to our igonorance of other

cultures and other religions. Can you please explain your quotation and

its relevance in this context. thanks in advance.

 

 

advaitin, "Tony OClery" <aoclery wrote:

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> >

> Namaste,

>

> However you are conscious of your caste status as a Vaideeka

> obviously.This may be part of the problem. Taling about things on

> here may help but as Freud said; 'talking is for converting human

> mysery into ordinary human unhappiness.....ONS..Tony.

>

[Guest guest]

advaitin, "Ram Chandran" <ramvchandran

wrote:

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> Ram Chandran

>

> Note: Most of our problems are mostly due to our igonorance of

other

> cultures and other religions. Can you please explain your

quotation and

> its relevance in this context. thanks in advance.

>

>

> advaitin, "Tony OClery" <aoclery@> wrote:

> >

>

> > >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > However you are conscious of your caste status as a Vaideeka

> > obviously.This may be part of the problem. Taling about things

on

> > here may help but as Freud said; 'talking is for converting

human

> > mysery into ordinary human unhappiness.....ONS..Tony.

> >

>

Namaste RM,

 

I'm sorry if I took your statement to describe a caste. You are

right I only understand the Varna system, not the other hundreds of

Castes, Jatis, and unscheduled etc etc.

 

I live in Vancouver and the Sikhs who are the majority Indian

contingent even divide themselves up into a ridiculous amount of

castes and Jats. Some of them even murder their own children if they

make a break. I always thought the Sikhs didn't believe in castes so

fervently, but my experience shows me something else. No doubt the

Indian Christians do the same thing, it is very cultural, as opposed

to religious.

 

I was associated with the Hindus for about 15 years so I picked up

some info there, but they are the minority Indians here.

 

My quotation as it happens should have read talking is to convert

hysterical human misery to ordinary human unhappiness, and was a

general quote on 'talking' nothing really personal to

you.....ONS...Tony.