Guest guest Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 Namaste, Many recent posts, esp those by Chittaranjan-ji, had references to pravRtti dharma & nivRtti dharma. The advaitin position on pravRtti & nivRtti is clear cut as the latter emphasizes the renunciation of all karma. I suppose this is also related to the division of the veda into karma-kANDa and jnAna kANDa. But what is the position of other sampradaaya-s, such as the Sri-vaiShNavam, on this issue? Do sampradaaya-s that accept jnaanakarmasamuccaya have any need for distinguishing between pravRtti & nivRtti? If yes, what specifically is the distinction? If no, what is the position/requirement of saMnyAsa in such traditions? While this question does not pertain specifically to advaita-vedAnta, I think it is important to understand: 1) where is it that advaita-vedAnta departs from other sampradaaya-s 2) what is a specific advaitin position as opposed to a generic Hindu position or a position shared by several sampradaaya-s dhanyavaadaH Ramesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 Namaste Sri Ramesh Krishnamurthyji, advaitin, "Ramesh Krishnamurthy" <rkmurthy wrote: > The advaitin position on pravRtti & nivRtti is clear > cut as the latter emphasizes the renunciation of all > karma. I suppose this is also related to the division > of the veda into karma-kANDa and jnAna kANDa. > > But what is the position of other sampradaaya-s, such > as the Sri-vaiShNavam, on this issue? Do sampradaaya-s > that accept jnaanakarmasamuccaya have any need for > distinguishing between pravRtti & nivRtti? If yes, what > specifically is the distinction? If no, what is the > position/requirement of saMnyAsa in such traditions? > > While this question does not pertain specifically to > advaita-vedAnta, > I think it is important to understand: > 1) where is it that advaita-vedAnta departs from other > sampradaaya-s > 2) what is a specific advaitin position as opposed to > a generic Hindu position or a position shared by several > sampradaaya-s All the three great Acharyas - Sri Shankaracharya, Sri Ramanujacharya, and Sri Madhvacharya - make a distinction between Pravritti Dharma and Nivritti Dharma. All three of them agree that mere Pravritti Dharma does not lead to Supreme Knowledge. The differences between Advaita, Visistadvaita and Dvaita seem to arise mainly from the different ways in which they see a relationship between Pravritti and Nivritti Dharma. I present here below my understanding on the bhashyas related to this topic as obtained from the Sariraka Sutra Bhashya of Sri Shankaracharya, the Sri Bhashya of Sri Ramanujacharya, and the Purna Prajnya Bhashya of Sri Madhvacharya: 1. Pre-requisite for brahma-jignasa Interpretation of the sutra: "athatho brahma-jignasa" Sri Shankara interprets the sutra as meaning that brahma-jignasa requires only the fourfold qualifications, and that prior performance of Vedic works is not a pre-condition for brahma-jignasa. Brahma- jignasa involves sravana, manana and nidhidhyasana on the meanings of the Upanishads, and depending on the strength of the qualifications, knowledge may arise either by merely hearing of the Sruti, or it may require all the three steps. (If we are to be consistent in understanding Shankara bhashya, it would mean that Vedic works in the case of such sadhakas have already been done in their past lives, and that it is not a pre-condition in the life when the hankering for liberation arises). Sri Ramanuja interprets the sutra as meaning that brahma-jignasa follows the performance of Vedic works, and that brahma-jignasa involves continuous and deep meditation on the meanings of Sruti verses. Sri Madhva interprets the sutra in a completely different manner than the other two acharyas do. He says that 'aum' and 'atha' are the words that Lord Vishnu uttered in the beginning when He desired to create. And that after these two words, the Lord uttered 'atah' as the third word, and that it is because of this that the words 'atha' and 'atah' are uttered in the beginning of the Mimamsa Sutra. According to Sri Madhva, the cause of brahma-jignasa is Lord Vishnu alone. Moreover, the adhikara for brahma-jignasa is already given by the nature of the soul, there being three types of adhikaris - the lower, the middle and the higher. Of these, the adhikaris from among human beings are the lowest, the rsis and gandharvas are the middle adhikaris, and the gods are the higher adhikaris. 2. On Samnyasa Interpretation of the Brahma Sutras III.iv.16 to 20 Sri Shankara interprets these sutras as meaning that knowledge belongs to the monks, that the order of samnyasa is to be observed for obtaining knowledge just like the other three stages are to be observed for obtaining the fruits of works. Shankara says that the order of the stages is an injunction, and that it must be followed. Sri Ramanuja interprets these sutras as meaning that knowledge is not subsidiary to works, that the order of samnaya is to be observed for obtaining knowledge. Sri Ramanuja's interpretation is generally in agreement with that of Shankara. Sri Madhva interprets these sutras in a different way. He says that since there are Sruti sentences stating that a jnani may behave in any way he pleases, and since such verses may lead one to believe that prohibited behaviour is permissible, the Brahma Sutra is here pointing out that it is not so on account of there being clear statements that aparokshita jnana should only be imparted to those who observe continence. When the behaviour of jnanis appear to conflict with acceptable norms of behavior, they are to be understood as the injunctions of the Lord Himself because the jnani has no will of his own, and it is the Lord's Will that vouchsafes to the jnani the desires in his mind. 2. On following the order of ashramas Interpretation of Brahma Sutra III.iv.32 to 35 All the three acharyas interpret these sutras to mean that the order of the ashramas have to be observed. Sri Madhva makes an exception only when there is dire danger to one's life. While Sri Shankara and Sri Ramanuja say that the duties of the other stages, i.e., Agnihotra, etc, need not be performed during samnyasa, Sri Madhva says that even though a jnani may not perform them, their performance is recommended because they enhance the bliss of jnana. It is interesting to note that Sri Madvacharya's dilution of the importance of samnyasa is commensurate with his interpretation that duties related to works should preferably be performed even by the jnani. It may be noted that while Sri Shankaracharya says that these duties are not to be perfromed during samnyasa, he lays great stress on the fact that the worls done in the stages prior to samnyasa become cooperative factors to make the conditions suitable for knowledge to arise. Note 1: My interpretation of Visistadvaita and Dvaita is open to correction by those who have studied these darshanas in greater detail and depth. Note 2: There is a relation between the order of the ashramas and the intrinsic structure of the Vedas. The Vedas are divided into four sections called Samhitas, Brahmanas, Aranyakas and Upanishads (the Upanishads being the last part of the Aranyakas). The Samhitas are to be learnt during brahmancharya ashrama, the Brahmanas pertain to the yajnas to be performed during grahasta ashrama, the Aranyakas pertain to the meditations to be performed during vanaprasta ashrama, and the Upanishads pertain to the knowledge that is to be learnt while sitting by the side of the Guru (upanishad means 'sitting by the side'). Warm regards, Chittaranjan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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