Guest guest Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 Namaste Sri Subbuji and Vinayakaji: I am of the opinion that any spiritual sadhana (efforts) requires shraddha (faith with strong conviction) and without Vairagya neither sadhana nor shraddha is possible. I suggest both of you to be the discussion leaders by assembling the facts and present to the members. Sri Sunderji and me and other moderators will certainly participate and provide our support and inputs during the discussion. Today is the birth day of Sri Ram (Ramanavami) and is the most appropriate occasion to start this discussion. Warmest regards, Hareh Ram! Ram Chandran advaitin, "Vinayaka" <vinayaka_ns wrote: > > advaitin, "subrahmanian_v" > > Dear Sir, > > It is not only a pre-requisite but also be used as a test to > ascertain the spiritual growth of a person/preceptor/aspirant. It is > a nice idea to start a discussion on this topic. We will not achieve > anything by mind boggling dialetects untill it is backed by real > viveka and viragya. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 Since we have determined to conduct this discussion on Rama Navami day, let us start by reading the following article, "Yoga Vashishtha – Vairagya" by Swami Suryaprakash Saraswati. The entire article is available at URL: http://www.yogamag.net/archives/2004/4july04/vashish.shtml Here are excerpts from the first two paragraphs: Yoga Vashishtha contains the spiritual teachings that Sri Rama received from his guru, Sage Vashishtha, when he was only a teenager. The main theme of these teachings is that the world is a dream of the soul from which we must awake. Throughout its six chapters Yoga Vashishtha helps us identify why the world is a dream and how we can proceed from a state of sleep to a state of wakefulness, and how we can overcome the restricting factors of our personality and gain greater appreciation, awareness, understanding, contentment and peace in life. The first chapter is Vairagya Prakarana, which deals with the subject of dispassion. The story begins in the kingdom of Ayodhya, ruled by King Dasharatha, when peace and prosperity prevailed amongst the people. Sri Rama and his brothers, the sons of Dasharatha, had just returned home from the gurukul. After spending a few calm and joyous weeks in Ayodhya, they had the desire to visit all the holy places, so Sri Rama asked his father for permission to go on an all India pilgrimage, a teertha. Eventually, one evening when the stars were shining bright and the wind was blowing light, Dasharatha granted his approval and the following day Sri Rama and his brothers, Lakshmana and Shatrughna, departed from Ayodhya. The third brother, Bharata, was unfortunately unable to accompany them due to other commitments. Second article from Yoga Vasishtha: http://www.bhagwanvalmiki.com/yogvasistha1.htm Third Article from Yoga Vasishtha: http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Yoga_Vasishta/id/22184 The link below contains the article, "Guru and Divine Grace" also explains Vairagya: http://swamij.com/swami-rama-guru-grace.htm Note: Vairagya also goes along with devotion (bhakti) and wisdom (jnanam) and Hanumanji is the greatest example what Vairagya really means! Hareh Ram, Ram Chandran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 advaitin, "Ram Chandran" <ramvchandran wrote: > > Since we have determined to conduct this discussion on Rama Navami > day, let us start by reading the following article, "Yoga Vashishtha – > Vairagya" by Swami Suryaprakash Saraswati. Namaste Ram ji, When i thought of posting messages on Vairagya, i had in mind that a focussed consideration of this one Element itself will percolate to the others in the Sadhana-chatushtaya. My idea was to elicit a good variety of vairagyam-based teachings, observations, anecdotes and what not, so that the reading of these during this period will itself be a samskara. It will no doubt spill over to topics of Bhakti and Shraddha and Karma Yoga too. A person devoid of adquate Bhakti and Vairagya cannot be a Karma Yogi of a high order. So, we see that all the sadhanas, of the Chatushtaya, Quartet, are interconnected. To start with, there is the Brihadaranyaka teaching of the sequence: Avidya, kama and karma. When one is ignorant of his native Purnatva, there is the thinking, 'I need to acquire something outside of me in order to become 'adequate''. There starts 'raga', desire, for something outside of me. As the starting point itself is 'i am finite', there is a longing for something that is again finite. And then starts karma to acquire it. But since the finite thing acquired does not give infinite satisfaction, there is a search for something else. So goes the samsarik chakra. When the scriptures teach vi-raga, the opposite of raga, there is the viveka element and the tyaga element. Let me detail these in a subsequent post, but the tyaga word brings to my mind a humorous observation by Sri Maha Periyaval of Kanchi: It seems when the Paramacharya was visiting some place, He was shown a person who was ailing and in bed and had taken 'Aapat- sannyasam'. ('Aapat-Sannyasam' is a scripturally permitted arrangement meant for a person who is on the death-bed and desirous of renouncing his worldly ties. After this not-very-elaborate ritual, he is deemed to be a Sannyasi and upon death is given a samadhi, etc. However, if he survives, the rule is that he has to undergo the elaborate ritual of regular Sannyasa). Coming to the incident, the Paramacharya saw that man and noticing the variety of eatables stacked in several bottles by his bedside, remarked: 'Idu sannyaasattukke periya aapattaacche' 'This spells great danger to Sannyasa itself'. (Aapat = emergency, danger) Warm regards, subbu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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