Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 Dear Sir Mani, I would only say that since enlightenment is beyond the horizon of our experience and is also beyond any sort of description, it is not very appropriate to make any statement about it or Self or anything pertaining to it. I think, instead of speculating what that experience would be like, it would be better to develop the qualities needed for that. Of course it is better to try to know what it is likely to be like. But at the stage where description fails I would stop wondering about it and try to focus on developing the requisite qualities. This is all I could gain from this discussion on Enlightenment. -Bhikku Yogi "R.S.MANI" <r_s_mani wrote: Namaste, all I hope the respected members will pardon me for my following observations on the subject: <<Self is eternally liberated and beyond all thoughts and imagination>> Can we say “liberated” because if we say this, then “liberated from what”? SELF is Sat Chit Anantham, i.e. Anantham Satyam and Anantham Chit. It is neither liberated nor bound. <<in the waking state where the waking individual is aware that his dream has ended>> I think, on knowing, which is possible only in the Waking State, one’s Swaroopa as unfolded in the Upanishads, one knows in the Waking State that what is happening around is Dream only. He knows that even that Knowing itself is dream. The dream goes on for him and he is fully aware that it is dream only. With such knowing, he is always at Peace (Shanti), and he never reacts nor get agitated, and even if any reaction/agitation takes place for him, he knows that that is also part of the dream. He knows even “Enlightenment” itself is a dream, as it is taking place in the Waking State. The dream never ends, but one knows that it is just dream and that is the wisdom resulting from enlightenment. This is how I understand the whole Teaching. Hari Om R. S. Mani New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of Atman and Brahman. Advaitin Homepage at:http://www.advaitin.net/ To Post a message send an email to : advaitin Messages Archived at: advaitin/messages Advaita vedanta Brahman Visit your group "advaitin" on the web. advaitin Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Messenger with Voice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 Dear Sri Bhikuji, Thank you for going through my note. I am one of the "blind men" who is trying to get some idea of an elephant. Warm Regards Mani Yogendra Bhikku <bhikkuyogi wrote: Dear Sir Mani, I would only say that since enlightenment is beyond the horizon of our experience and is also beyond any sort of description, it is not very appropriate to make any statement about it or Self or anything pertaining to it. I think, instead of speculating what that experience would be like, it would be better to develop the qualities needed for that. R. S. Mani Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 Namaste, Sri Denisji, dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33 wrote: <<this bring me to the following question...: the one "who" know "that it is just dream" is included in the dream.>>...? It is nice to get your response. I "think", "he" is included in the dream, but he knows the whole thing is just dream, and that makes all the difference. Hari Om Mani R. S. Mani Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Messenger with Voice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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