Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 Namaste, all I hope the respected members will pardon me for my following observations on the subject: <<Self is eternally liberated and beyond all thoughts and imagination>> Can we say “liberated” because if we say this, then “liberated from what”? SELF is Sat Chit Anantham, i.e. Anantham Satyam and Anantham Chit. It is neither liberated nor bound. <<in the waking state where the waking individual is aware that his dream has ended>> I think, on knowing, which is possible only in the Waking State, one’s Swaroopa as unfolded in the Upanishads, one knows in the Waking State that what is happening around is Dream only. He knows that even that Knowing itself is dream. The dream goes on for him and he is fully aware that it is dream only. With such knowing, he is always at Peace (Shanti), and he never reacts nor get agitated, and even if any reaction/agitation takes place for him, he knows that that is also part of the dream. He knows even “Enlightenment” itself is a dream, as it is taking place in the Waking State. The dream never ends, but one knows that it is just dream and that is the wisdom resulting from enlightenment. This is how I understand the whole Teaching. Hari Om R. S. Mani New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 advaitin, "R.S.MANI" <r_s_mani wrote: > > Namaste, all > I hope the respected members will pardon me for my following observations on the subject: > <<Self is eternally liberated and beyond all thoughts and imagination>> > Can we say "liberated" because if we say this, then "liberated from what"? SELF is Sat Chit Anantham, i.e. Anantham Satyam and Anantham Chit. It is neither liberated nor bound. > <<in the waking state where the waking individual is aware that his dream has ended>> > I think, on knowing, which is possible only in the Waking State, one's Swaroopa as unfolded in the Upanishads, one knows in the Waking State that what is happening around is Dream only. He knows that even that Knowing itself is dream. The dream goes on for him and he is fully aware that it is dream only. > With such knowing, he is always at Peace (Shanti), and he never reacts nor get agitated, and even if any reaction/agitation takes place for him, he knows that that is also part of the dream. > He knows even "Enlightenment" itself is a dream, as it is taking place in the Waking State. > The dream never ends, but one knows that it is just dream and that is the wisdom resulting from enlightenment. > This is how I understand the whole Teaching. > Hari Om > > > R. S. Mani > > > Namaste, thank you for this clear words it's interesting that you talk about "dream" in relation to "Enlightenment"...... this bring me to the following question...: the one "who" know "that it is just dream" is included in the dream....? maybe by (this) knowledge, the Self appear as light.....in this dream...... a light which let the "knower" dissolve into the real nature this....let the Self appear to be the real One....of "Enlightenment" so there has been a personal path....until the moment of dissolvation of the personal.....with the Self few thoughts... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 advaitin, "R.S.MANI" <r_s_mani wrote: > > > Namaste, Sri Denisji, > dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33 wrote: > <<this bring me to the following question...: > > the one "who" know "that it is just dream" is included in the > dream.>>...? > It is nice to get your response. I "think", "he" is included in the dream, but he knows the whole thing is just dream, and that makes all the difference. > Hari Om > Mani Namaste, Thank you for your answer. sounds like there is some "light" then ...."included" in this dream Regards, Marc > > > > > > R. S. Mani > > > > Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Messenger with Voice. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 Namaste Dennis and everyone, All Sages declare unanimously that Enlightenment is ´Waking- sleepness´ or ´Jagrat-Sushupti´... when I asked my Guru "what is Enligtenment´ he replied simply : unbroken aware deep sleep. By reading Ramana Maharshi one can also see that he repeatedly stated in his dialogues that enlightenment is ´jagrat-sushupti´, the world being a dream, the knowledge of the world being a dream also being part of the dream, etc ad infinitum. I am really karmically blessed to be able to pursue Truth in this lifetime. Pranams, frederico advaitin, "dennis_travis33" <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > advaitin, "R.S.MANI" <r_s_mani@> wrote: > > > > Namaste, all > > I hope the respected members will pardon me for my following > observations on the subject: > > <<Self is eternally liberated and beyond all thoughts and > imagination>> > > Can we say "liberated" because if we say this, then "liberated > from what"? SELF is Sat Chit Anantham, i.e. Anantham Satyam and > Anantham Chit. It is neither liberated nor bound. > > <<in the waking state where the waking individual is aware that > his dream has ended>> > > I think, on knowing, which is possible only in the Waking State, > one's Swaroopa as unfolded in the Upanishads, one knows in the Waking > State that what is happening around is Dream only. He knows that even > that Knowing itself is dream. The dream goes on for him and he is > fully aware that it is dream only. > > With such knowing, he is always at Peace (Shanti), and he never > reacts nor get agitated, and even if any reaction/agitation takes > place for him, he knows that that is also part of the dream. > > He knows even "Enlightenment" itself is a dream, as it is taking > place in the Waking State. > > The dream never ends, but one knows that it is just dream and > that is the wisdom resulting from enlightenment. > > This is how I understand the whole Teaching. > > Hari Om > > > > > > R. S. Mani > > > > > > Namaste, > > thank you for this clear words > > it's interesting that you talk about "dream" in relation > to "Enlightenment"...... > > > this bring me to the following question...: > > the one "who" know "that it is just dream" is included in the > dream....? > > > maybe by (this) knowledge, the Self appear as light.....in this > dream...... > a light which let the "knower" dissolve into the real nature > > this....let the Self appear to be the real One....of "Enlightenment" > > so there has been a personal path....until the moment of dissolvation > of the personal.....with the Self > > > few thoughts... > > Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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