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REGARDING THE BEARDED CHAP....ONE IS SRI AURBINDO......ONE SITTING IS PARAMHANS

PURNANAND(Related to Siddhashram, Find More In http://www.ajapa.org)......ONE

MORE BEARDED CHAP IS SRI YUKTESHWAR GIRI(Gurudev Of Paramhans Yoganand).THATS

ALL FOR NOW.KEEP IN TOUCH.

LOVE & REGARDS,

ANUPAM

birendra_m <birendra_m > wrote: Dear Anupam,> Thanks Biru, we are

truly unworthy of GURUDEV's love........It was his Compassion that he accepted

us and still doing.> Check out this ameturish webpage I made(I am totally

non-IT, you know)......ha....ha>

http://geocities.com/anupamshil/DivineGurus.htmlNice webpage, i fail to

recognice some of the Divine Gurus thereespecially 2 person with big white

beards one is sitting on the ground and one is sitting on the chair.it would be

better if you can add some names to it.But iam curious to know what is OSHO

doing there in btw those divine ones.i really have no good impression on OSHO

and his philosophy.i hope its ur site and iam taking my liberty to comment.

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dear anupam

>

> HA........HA.....HA.....U ARE STILL THE SAME BIRU I HAD KNOWN

>LONG BACK.........HA.......HA........HA. I STILL REMEMBER OUR

>NIGHTLONG FIGHT IN BHOPAL SHIVIR....IN 1998(I Guess)......OUR FIGHTS

>ON THE SAME TOPIC -- "OSHO".........

 

i do remember that we fought over something but i dont know what it

is. My long term memory is very poor, my short term is better.

 

you gave a cool reply ,but whenever i hear abt Osho my blood really

boils, there is a reason to that, i dont know if i mentioned to u

during our fight but i will write it in short.

 

actually i never read abt OSHO in detail, but i was very curious 6-7

yrs back as to what his philosophy was, some one has passed me a

cassette i dont remember the name of it, but it goes something like

this " osho goes to her disciples house and they have a child who is

a teenager and starts smoking ciggarettes, then the childs

mohter/father who is a disciple of osho tells Osho to chide the child

for smoking cigarattes but you know what happens , instead of

scolding the child, he encourages him to smoke a ciggarette and the

reason he gives is that ' we have been accepting the tradition left

by sages which are outdated and dont work any more and we should

diregard all the culture /heritage that was passed on to us, as it

dosent apply to modern world. so on and so forth and besides he was

chiding Gandhi also i dont remember the reason. ' so you know this

all CRAP i heard in the first 10 MIN of the cassette.That was it and

the end of whole OSHO episode in my life. i was really in SHOCK for

quiet sometime for what i heard in the casstte. i really felt sad for

people who followed him.

 

he dosent understand the knowledge given by oursage is priceless and

can be applied to any time.

 

i rather kill myself than to recommend any of the OSHO literature.

its entirely destructive.

 

i really felt lucky to have Gurudev at that time.

 

 

>AT LEAST U CAN REGARD HIM AS A GREAT PHILOSOPHER.......

i think he was philosphy lecturer in univ of pune, i should admit

that he had a good deep voice. But my dear friend what is the use of

philossophy if it leads to destruction, what is the need of such

knowledge which chains you to the world and weakens the will and

utterly away from the soul , i feel that anyone of us can be a better

phiiosopher than that OSHO. we will far more better than him.

 

anupam pls dont feel bad about it. i just couldnt see his photo in

btw those divine ones, it will actually pass a wrong message to your

website visitors , as they would think OSHO as one with other divine

ones and start buying his books there are lot of book available

written by him.

 

PLEASE DO NOT LEAD PEOPLE ASTRAY INDIRECTLY. MY SINCERE REQUEST IS

DONT PUT HIM IN BETWEEN THOSE DIVINE ONES AND PASS A WRONG MESSAGE TO

THE WORLD THRU INTERNET.

 

my friend rest is up to you and whatever you feel.

 

>I AM GLAD TO KNOW THAT U HAVE NOT

>CHANGED.....HA......HA.........CAUSE THAT WAS THE CHAP I USED TO GET

>ALONGWITH.

 

in that case you too didnt change and you are still hanging on to

OSHO.

 

> REGARDING THE BEARDED CHAP....ONE IS SRI AURBINDO......ONE SITTING

>IS PARAMHANS PURNANAND(Related to Siddhashram, Find More In

>http://www.ajapa.org)......ONE MORE BEARDED CHAP IS SRI YUKTESHWAR

>GIRI(Gurudev Of Paramhans Yoganand).THATS ALL FOR NOW.KEEP IN TOUCH.

 

 

That is interesting info, but why didnt you tell us till now?

can you pls let us know abt other realised persons who are linked to

siddhasharm and have a website.

 

 

anupam pls dont feel bad abt what i said, that is really my soul

speaking.

 

 

 

love and takecare.

 

affectionately

Jai Gurudev

[Guest guest]

First of all it is really nice that you have openheartedly expressed the reasons

that has led you to have a stiff Opinion about Osho.

I have not really paid much attention and done much intrusion about the personal

life of Osho, but have gone through several of his books which has inspired &

enlightened me towards several aspects of life.

As per your analysis of the cassette that you said you had

heard................If we really read the discourses & conversations of God

Realized Souls we would find many of their statements are contradictory to each

other, Because whatever they say, More that its Factual Truthfulness, There

words are RELATIVE & RELEVANT to the people or group of people it is addressed

to. And anyway it really does not matter whether Osho was a True Saint or

not..............When I was making that page I just abruptly picked up 16

Gurus..........obviously those whose words has inspired me time and again.

Whatever maybe there teachings, whether we draw a Right Inference out of

that........that is the question.

After all Biru, we are all men of opinions, that is what makes us different from

Realized Souls. They do not have opinions..........cause opinions are based on

logic and logic requires a base on which it is built, in order to give a base

we need a FINITE realm of concepts, theologies, dogmas, e.t.c.......... but

that which is been Realized is INFINITE................so they do not possess

Opinions, only that they have a direction & they motivate other towards

that.......... But still being opinioned people we are surely bound to have

likings & dislikings...........also as long as we judge things within our

FINITE Consiousness we should know that there is an Equal and opposite Opinion

to ours that exists..........Equally strong as us.............instead of trying

to prove our point rather we should direct all our energies towards that which

is beyond logic, beyond opinions, beyond doctrines.......that which is

INFINITE..........only when we attain that Consiousness will we get answers to

all questions which are today tearing us apart........till then I guess we will

be always living amidst some Conflicts & Contradictions.Prayers to Gurudev that

that Ray Of AtmaGyan may shine on ALL OF US..........

So if that Webpage offends you, I am sorry........I'll try to change.......As

for now I am not disturbing it cause I am facing lot of problems with

Geocities Pagebuilder Download....I may end up spoiling it.Also it is not

intended for any promotion stuff or anything like that....Internet is already

loaded with lots of INFORMATION...............but the TRUE KNOWLEDGE is Within.

All this is just for fun..............

In the midst of so many difference of opinions we are all still ONE VOICE, ONE

VISION, ONE GOAL.............and that is "GURUDEV". Let us be like Young Kids

and pray to our Mercyful Gurudev to Shine his Light on to Us, Tell him to lift

the veil of illusion that is enveloping Us, And Pray Him to come to our

Rescue..................

http://www.geocities.com/anupamshil/WhereAreYou.html Lots of love & regards,

Anupam

birendra_m <birendra_m > wrote: dear anupam> >

HA........HA.....HA.....U ARE STILL THE SAME BIRU I HAD KNOWN >LONG

BACK.........HA.......HA........HA. I STILL REMEMBER OUR >NIGHTLONG FIGHT IN

BHOPAL SHIVIR....IN 1998(I Guess)......OUR FIGHTS >ON THE SAME TOPIC --

"OSHO".........i do remember that we fought over something but i dont know what

it is. My long term memory is very poor, my short term is better. you gave a

cool reply ,but whenever i hear abt Osho my blood really boils, there is a

reason to that, i dont know if i mentioned to u during our fight but i will

write it in short.actually i never read abt OSHO in detail, but i was very

curious 6-7 yrs back as to what his philosophy was, some one has passed me a

cassette i dont remember the name of it, but it goes something like this " osho

goes to her disciples house and they have a child who is a teenager and starts

smoking ciggarettes, then the childs mohter/father who is a disciple of osho

tells Osho to chide the child for smoking cigarattes but you know what happens

, instead of scolding the child, he encourages him to smoke a ciggarette and

the reason he gives is that ' we have been accepting the tradition left by

sages which are outdated and dont work any more and we should diregard all the

culture /heritage that was passed on to us, as it dosent apply to modern world.

so on and so forth and besides he was chiding Gandhi also i dont remember the

reason. ' so you know this all CRAP i heard in the first 10 MIN of the

cassette.That was it and the end of whole OSHO episode in my life. i was really

in SHOCK for quiet sometime for what i heard in the casstte. i really felt sad

for people who followed him.he dosent understand the knowledge given by oursage

is priceless and can be applied to any time. i rather kill myself than to

recommend any of the OSHO literature. its entirely destructive.i really felt

lucky to have Gurudev at that time.>AT LEAST U CAN REGARD HIM AS A GREAT

PHILOSOPHER.......i think he was philosphy lecturer in univ of pune, i should

admit that he had a good deep voice. But my dear friend what is the use of

philossophy if it leads to destruction, what is the need of such knowledge

which chains you to the world and weakens the will and utterly away from the

soul , i feel that anyone of us can be a better phiiosopher than that OSHO. we

will far more better than him.anupam pls dont feel bad about it. i just couldnt

see his photo in btw those divine ones, it will actually pass a wrong message to

your website visitors , as they would think OSHO as one with other divine ones

and start buying his books there are lot of book available written by him.

PLEASE DO NOT LEAD PEOPLE ASTRAY INDIRECTLY. MY SINCERE REQUEST IS DONT PUT HIM

IN BETWEEN THOSE DIVINE ONES AND PASS A WRONG MESSAGE TO THE WORLD THRU

INTERNET.my friend rest is up to you and whatever you feel.>I AM GLAD TO KNOW

THAT U HAVE NOT >CHANGED.....HA......HA.........CAUSE THAT WAS THE CHAP I USED

TO GET >ALONGWITH.in that case you too didnt change and you are still hanging

on to OSHO.> REGARDING THE BEARDED CHAP....ONE IS SRI AURBINDO......ONE SITTING

>IS PARAMHANS PURNANAND(Related to Siddhashram, Find More In

>http://www.ajapa.org)......ONE MORE BEARDED CHAP IS SRI YUKTESHWAR

>GIRI(Gurudev Of Paramhans Yoganand).THATS ALL FOR NOW.KEEP IN TOUCH.That is

interesting info, but why didnt you tell us till now?can you pls let us know

abt other realised persons who are linked to siddhasharm and have a

website.anupam pls dont feel bad abt what i said, that is really my soul

speaking.love and takecare.affectionatelyJai Gurudev------------------------

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Dear anupam,

 

There are 2 choices for me either to forgte the discussion and let

time to solve the problem or make some effort from my side to fasten

this problem solution.

 

see this is the article i picked from osho times website which says

as to why yoga is better than drugs,

carefully see how he handles the logic, rest is up to you as to what

opinion you form, i am still convinced this guy has no trace of

selfrealisation,

 

just see this artilce and article by yogananda you would find hell

lot of difference.

 

anupam i care for you,rest is btw you and Gurudev.i have done my PART.

 

 

 

 

"OSHO Yoga" This is an excerpt from article which tells how yoga is

better than drugs"

 

ARTICLE START...

 

Krishnamurti is right. Very difficult to understand, but he is right.

All experiences are through chemical change — all, without any

exception. Whether you take LSD or you fast, in both the ways body

goes through chemical change. Whether you take marijuana or you do a

certain pranayam, a breathing exercise, in both ways body goes

through chemical change. Try to understand it.

 

When you fast, what happens? Your body loses a few chemicals because

they have to be supplied every day by the food. If you don't

supply

those chemicals, the body loses those chemicals. Then the ordinary

balance of the chemicals is lost; and because fasting creates an

imbalance you can start feeling a few things. If you fast long enough

you will have hallucinations. If you fast for twenty-one days or more

you will become incapable of judging whether what you are seeing is

real or unreal, because for it a particular chemical is needed and

that is lost.

 

 

All experiences are chemical, without any exception. When you breathe

very much you create much oxygen inside the body; the quantity of

nitrogen falls. More oxygen changes inner chemicals. You start

feeling things which you never felt. If you whirl around as in

dervish dances, spin fast, the body changes; the chemicals change

through spinning. You feel dizzy; a new world opens. All experiences

are chemical.

 

 

When you are hungry the world looks different. When you are

satisfied, satiated, the world looks different. A poor man has one

world and a rich man has a different world; their chemicals differ.

An intelligent man has one world and a stupid man has a different

world; their chemicals differ. A woman has one world a man has a

different world; their chemicals differ.

 

 

When one becomes sexually mature, at the age of fourteen or fifteen,

a different world arises because new chemicals are flowing in the

bloodstream. For a child of seven, if you talk about sex and sexual

orgasm, he will think you are foolish — "What nonsense are

you

talking?" — because those chemicals are not flowing, those

hormones

are not in the bloodstream. But at the moment of the age of fourteen,

fifteen, the eyes are full of new chemicals; an ordinary woman is

suddenly transformed.

 

 

 

Mulla Nasrudin used to go to the hills on holidays. Sometimes he

would go for fifteen days and would be back by the tenth. The boss

asked him, "What is the matter? You asked for fifteen days'

leave,

and you are back five days before?" Sometimes he would ask for

two

weeks' leave and he would come after four weeks. "So what is

the

matter?" the boss asked.

 

 

The Mulla said, "There is a certain mathematics in it. In the

hills I

have a bungalow, and the bungalow is kept by an old, very ugly woman.

So this is my criterion: when I start seeing that ugly woman as a

beautiful woman, I run away. So sometimes it happens after eight

days, sometimes ten days.... She is ugly and horrible. You cannot

think that she can be beautiful. But when I start thinking about her

and she starts coming into my dreams and I feel that she is

beautiful, then I know that now this is the time to go back home;

otherwise there is danger. So nobody knows. If I am healthy enough

then it comes sooner, within seven days. If I am not so healthy then

it takes two weeks. If I am very weak it takes three weeks. It

depends on chemicals."

 

 

 

All experiences are chemical — but one distinction has to be

made.

There are two ways. One is to put the chemicals in — inject them,

smoke them, or throw them in the body. They come from the outside;

they are intruders. That's what all drug people are doing around

the

world. The other way is to change the body by fasting, breathing....

That's what all the yogis have been doing in the East. They

belong to

the same path; the difference is very little. The difference is that

drug people take drugs from the outside, they intrude on the

biochemistry of the body, and the yogis try to change the balance of

their own body, not to intrude from the outside. But as far as I am

concerned, they are the same.

 

 

But if you have any urge to experience, I will tell you to choose the

path of the yogis, because that way you will not be dependent, you

will be more independent. That way you will never become an addict,

and that way your body will retain its purity, its organic unity.

That way, at least, you will not be an offense to the law — no

police

raid possible. That way you can go beyond easily. That is the most

important thing.

 

 

If you take chemicals from the outside into the body, you will remain

with them. It will be difficult, more and more difficult every day,

to go beyond. In fact you will become more and more dependent, so

dependent that you will lose all life, all the charm of life, and the

drug experience alone will become your whole life, the whole center

of it.

 

 

If you move through Yoga, through the inner changes in the chemistry

of the body, you will never be dependent and you will be able to go

beyond. The whole point of religion is to go beyond experiences.

Whether you experience beautiful colors — rainbows all around

through

LSD — or you experience heaven through Yoga exercises, basically

there is no difference. In fact until you go beyond all experiences,

all objective experiences, until you come to the point where only the

witness remains and no experience to be experienced, only the

experiencer remains, you have not touched the boundary of religion.

 

 

 

The real religious experience is not an experience at all. Religious

experience is not experience: it is to come to the experiencer where

everything known/unknown, knowable/ unknowable, disappears. Only the

witnessing self remains, only a pure consciousness, with no

experience to contaminate it.

The reality is your consciousness. Everything else has to be

transcended. If you can remember that, then one has to pass through

all experiences, but one does have to pass through.

 

 

If you are after experiences too much, as everyone is — that is

part

of the growth — it is better to choose Yoga exercises than drugs.

They are more subtle, Yoga exercises, more refined.

 

 

Krishnamurti is not saying something new. It is the experience of all

the Buddhas. But, remember, an experience can become an experience to

you only when you attain to it. Nobody can give it to you; it cannot

be borrowed. If you are still childish and you feel that you need

some experiences, it is better to have them through Yoga exercises.

Finally, that too has to be dropped.

 

 

But if you choose between LSD and pranayam, it is better to choose

pranayam. You will be less dependent and you will be more capable of

transcending, because the awareness will not be lost in it. In LSD

the awareness will be lost completely.

 

 

Always choose a higher thing. Whenever there is a possibility, and

you want to choose, choose a higher thing. A moment will come when

you will not like to choose anything...then choicelessness.

 

END... ARTICLE.

 

 

 

 

>.If we really read the discourses & conversations of God Realized

>Souls we would find many of their statements are contradictory to

>each other, Because whatever they say, More that its Factual

>Truthfulness, There words are RELATIVE & RELEVANT to the people or

>group of people it is addressed to.

 

 

what you are telling is true, but i never found any contradictions

that would form me to cause a stiff opinion. i hope you get the point.

> And anyway it really does not matter whether Osho was a True Saint

>or not..............

 

No anupam it matters, we should in a way understand that what we do

effects our posterity.we should behave more responsibly.

 

>When I was making that page I just abruptly picked up 16

>Gurus..........

 

 

No you picked probably 15 sadgurus and this osho is 100% not a

sadguru.

 

>obviously those whose words has inspired me time and again.

 

you have to scan his entire spectrum of literature before giving

respect.

Gurudev always told before one accepts a person as a Guru one has to

thoroughly investigate the person in reference. atleast i have read

as many books at my disposal before accepting my Gurudev. i

understand OSHO is not ur Guru but still i believe that you have to

be more responsible when you pass on the reference to some hungry

soul.

 

anyway my Gurudev has given me enough knowledge from my past lives

that i can differentiate who is what, but what abt poeple who are new

to this field and who want to try it.

 

> Whatever maybe there teachings, whether we draw a Right Inference

>out of that........that is the question.

> After all Biru, we are all men of opinions, that is what makes us

>different from Realized Souls. They do not have

>opinions..........cause opinions are based on logic and logic

>requires a base on which it is built, in order to give a base we

>need a FINITE realm of concepts, theologies, dogmas, e.t.c..........

>but that which is been Realized is INFINITE................so they

>do not possess Opinions, only that they have a direction & they

>motivate other towards that..........

> But still being opinioned people we are surely bound to have

>likings & dislikings...........also as long as we judge things

>within our FINITE Consiousness we should know that there is an Equal

>and opposite Opinion to ours that exists..........Equally strong as

>us.............

 

iam impressed by your logic , see i told you, you can make a better

philosopher than OSHO . if i would be given a choice to choose btw

you and OSH0 based on the sensible logic i would choose you rather

than osho .

 

see the above article on why yoga is better than drugs,there is no

mention of the word GOD at all,

compare it with an article written by yogananda on bad habits,

its filled with soul inspiring words.

 

this OSHO guy "confuses" people novice in spritualism , defenitly no

me.

he refers to krsihnamurthi, to me he is another confused soul.

all birds of same feathers.

 

 

>instead of trying to prove our point rather we should direct all our

>energies towards that which is beyond logic, beyond opinions, beyond

>doctrines.......that which is INFINITE..........

 

 

anupam, i am not trying to prove any point, i only have concern for

people who are novices to spritualism.

 

>only when we attain that Consiousness will we get answers to all

>questions which are today tearing us apart........till then I guess

>we will be always living amidst some Conflicts &

>Contradictions.Prayers to Gurudev that that Ray Of AtmaGyan may

>shine on ALL OF US..........

 

 

no i got answers to most of my questions from my Gurudev and other

realised souls, which paved me the way for God realisation.

 

 

 

> So if that Webpage offends you, I am sorry........I'll try to

>change.......As for now I am not disturbing it cause I am facing lot

>of problems with Geocities Pagebuilder Download....I may end

>up spoiling it.

 

 

i know that you love me.i know that u care for me. even if you dont

change also i will not take any offence personally, but my heart will

cry for those novice souls who want to enter into spritualism.But to

me its better to put your photo than the osho one.

 

>Also it is not intended for any promotion stuff or anything like

>that....

 

i know that

 

>Internet is already loaded with lots of

>INFORMATION...............but the TRUE KNOWLEDGE is Within. All this

>is just for fun..............

 

but how would a novice in spiritaulism know that TRUE knwoledge is

within.

 

 

 

 

> In the midst of so many difference of opinions we are all still ONE

>VOICE, ONE VISION, ONE GOAL.............and that is "GURUDEV".

 

 

TRUE. we should live up to his expectation, he wanted us to fight

ignorance and other problems in the world.

> Let us be like Young Kids and pray to our Mercyful Gurudev to Shine

>his Light on to Us, Tell him to lift the veil of illusion that is

>enveloping Us, And Pray Him to come to our Rescue..................

 

 

i heartfully want this to happen NOW.

 

 

i consider you as my very own,do what your soul tells you to do

unmindful of anything.

 

LOVE

Jai Gurudev

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> osho yogananda

 

do you remember this groups name? it is '' which means this

discussion board is specifically for international siddhashram sadhak

parivaar. world is full of gurus and selfrealised people. the

knowledge is so wide spread that it can never be discussed at a

single place. you should not forget that you are not the only member

of this group. others may not participate but they do read messages

sent to their email addresses. they joined because of dr narayn dutt

shrimali's name and interest in his thoughts. with due respect to

osho, yogananda and other great souls, this is not a place to discuss

them.

 

you are requested to restrict your discussions to issp. if you wish

to discuss others you may create a new group and invite members of

this group to join it. whoever interested will join and rest would

not object. and if you feel this is a place to discuss other gurus

you must first take permission from revered guru trimurthy and if

they permit you should continue.

 

i feel, most members will agree to this.

 

, "birendra_m" <birendra_m> wrote:

> Dear anupam,

>

> There are 2 choices for me either to forgte the discussion and let

> time to solve the problem or make some effort from my side to

fasten

> this problem solution.

>

> see this is the article i picked from osho times website which says

> as to why yoga is better than drugs,

> carefully see how he handles the logic, rest is up to you as to

what

> opinion you form, i am still convinced this guy has no trace of

> selfrealisation,

>

> just see this artilce and article by yogananda you would find hell

> lot of difference.

>

> anupam i care for you,rest is btw you and Gurudev.i have done my

PART.

>

>

>

>

> "OSHO Yoga" This is an excerpt from article which tells how yoga is

> better than drugs"

>

> ARTICLE START...

>

> Krishnamurti is right. Very difficult to understand, but he is

right.

> All experiences are through chemical change — all, without any

> exception. Whether you take LSD or you fast, in both the ways body

> goes through chemical change. Whether you take marijuana or you do

a

> certain pranayam, a breathing exercise, in both ways body goes

> through chemical change. Try to understand it.

>

> When you fast, what happens? Your body loses a few chemicals

because

> they have to be supplied every day by the food. If you don't

> supply

> those chemicals, the body loses those chemicals. Then the ordinary

> balance of the chemicals is lost; and because fasting creates an

> imbalance you can start feeling a few things. If you fast long

enough

> you will have hallucinations. If you fast for twenty-one days or

more

> you will become incapable of judging whether what you are seeing is

> real or unreal, because for it a particular chemical is needed and

> that is lost.

>

>

> All experiences are chemical, without any exception. When you

breathe

> very much you create much oxygen inside the body; the quantity of

> nitrogen falls. More oxygen changes inner chemicals. You start

> feeling things which you never felt. If you whirl around as in

> dervish dances, spin fast, the body changes; the chemicals change

> through spinning. You feel dizzy; a new world opens. All

experiences

> are chemical.

>

>

> When you are hungry the world looks different. When you are

> satisfied, satiated, the world looks different. A poor man has one

> world and a rich man has a different world; their chemicals differ.

> An intelligent man has one world and a stupid man has a different

> world; their chemicals differ. A woman has one world a man has a

> different world; their chemicals differ.

>

>

> When one becomes sexually mature, at the age of fourteen or

fifteen,

> a different world arises because new chemicals are flowing in the

> bloodstream. For a child of seven, if you talk about sex and sexual

> orgasm, he will think you are foolish — "What nonsense are

> you

> talking?" — because those chemicals are not flowing, those

> hormones

> are not in the bloodstream. But at the moment of the age of

fourteen,

> fifteen, the eyes are full of new chemicals; an ordinary woman is

> suddenly transformed.

>

>

>

> Mulla Nasrudin used to go to the hills on holidays. Sometimes he

> would go for fifteen days and would be back by the tenth. The boss

> asked him, "What is the matter? You asked for fifteen days'

> leave,

> and you are back five days before?" Sometimes he would ask for

> two

> weeks' leave and he would come after four weeks. "So what is

> the

> matter?" the boss asked.

>

>

> The Mulla said, "There is a certain mathematics in it. In the

> hills I

> have a bungalow, and the bungalow is kept by an old, very ugly

woman.

> So this is my criterion: when I start seeing that ugly woman as a

> beautiful woman, I run away. So sometimes it happens after eight

> days, sometimes ten days.... She is ugly and horrible. You cannot

> think that she can be beautiful. But when I start thinking about

her

> and she starts coming into my dreams and I feel that she is

> beautiful, then I know that now this is the time to go back home;

> otherwise there is danger. So nobody knows. If I am healthy enough

> then it comes sooner, within seven days. If I am not so healthy

then

> it takes two weeks. If I am very weak it takes three weeks. It

> depends on chemicals."

>

>

>

> All experiences are chemical — but one distinction has to be

> made.

> There are two ways. One is to put the chemicals in — inject them,

> smoke them, or throw them in the body. They come from the outside;

> they are intruders. That's what all drug people are doing around

> the

> world. The other way is to change the body by fasting,

breathing....

> That's what all the yogis have been doing in the East. They

> belong to

> the same path; the difference is very little. The difference is

that

> drug people take drugs from the outside, they intrude on the

> biochemistry of the body, and the yogis try to change the balance

of

> their own body, not to intrude from the outside. But as far as I am

> concerned, they are the same.

>

>

> But if you have any urge to experience, I will tell you to choose

the

> path of the yogis, because that way you will not be dependent, you

> will be more independent. That way you will never become an addict,

> and that way your body will retain its purity, its organic unity.

> That way, at least, you will not be an offense to the law — no

> police

> raid possible. That way you can go beyond easily. That is the most

> important thing.

>

>

> If you take chemicals from the outside into the body, you will

remain

> with them. It will be difficult, more and more difficult every day,

> to go beyond. In fact you will become more and more dependent, so

> dependent that you will lose all life, all the charm of life, and

the

> drug experience alone will become your whole life, the whole center

> of it.

>

>

> If you move through Yoga, through the inner changes in the

chemistry

> of the body, you will never be dependent and you will be able to go

> beyond. The whole point of religion is to go beyond experiences.

> Whether you experience beautiful colors — rainbows all around

> through

> LSD — or you experience heaven through Yoga exercises, basically

> there is no difference. In fact until you go beyond all

experiences,

> all objective experiences, until you come to the point where only

the

> witness remains and no experience to be experienced, only the

> experiencer remains, you have not touched the boundary of religion.

>

>

>

> The real religious experience is not an experience at all.

Religious

> experience is not experience: it is to come to the experiencer

where

> everything known/unknown, knowable/ unknowable, disappears. Only

the

> witnessing self remains, only a pure consciousness, with no

> experience to contaminate it.

> The reality is your consciousness. Everything else has to be

> transcended. If you can remember that, then one has to pass through

> all experiences, but one does have to pass through.

>

>

> If you are after experiences too much, as everyone is — that is

> part

> of the growth — it is better to choose Yoga exercises than drugs.

> They are more subtle, Yoga exercises, more refined.

>

>

> Krishnamurti is not saying something new. It is the experience of

all

> the Buddhas. But, remember, an experience can become an experience

to

> you only when you attain to it. Nobody can give it to you; it

cannot

> be borrowed. If you are still childish and you feel that you need

> some experiences, it is better to have them through Yoga exercises.

> Finally, that too has to be dropped.

>

>

> But if you choose between LSD and pranayam, it is better to choose

> pranayam. You will be less dependent and you will be more capable

of

> transcending, because the awareness will not be lost in it. In LSD

> the awareness will be lost completely.

>

>

> Always choose a higher thing. Whenever there is a possibility, and

> you want to choose, choose a higher thing. A moment will come when

> you will not like to choose anything...then choicelessness.

>

> END... ARTICLE.

>

>

>

>

>

> >.If we really read the discourses & conversations of God Realized

> >Souls we would find many of their statements are contradictory to

> >each other, Because whatever they say, More that its Factual

> >Truthfulness, There words are RELATIVE & RELEVANT to the people or

> >group of people it is addressed to.

>

>

> what you are telling is true, but i never found any contradictions

> that would form me to cause a stiff opinion. i hope you get the

point.

>

> > And anyway it really does not matter whether Osho was a True

Saint

> >or not..............

>

> No anupam it matters, we should in a way understand that what we do

> effects our posterity.we should behave more responsibly.

>

>

> >When I was making that page I just abruptly picked up 16

> >Gurus..........

>

>

> No you picked probably 15 sadgurus and this osho is 100% not a

> sadguru.

>

>

> >obviously those whose words has inspired me time and again.

>

> you have to scan his entire spectrum of literature before giving

> respect.

> Gurudev always told before one accepts a person as a Guru one has to

> thoroughly investigate the person in reference. atleast i have read

> as many books at my disposal before accepting my Gurudev. i

> understand OSHO is not ur Guru but still i believe that you have to

> be more responsible when you pass on the reference to some hungry

> soul.

>

> anyway my Gurudev has given me enough knowledge from my past lives

> that i can differentiate who is what, but what abt poeple who are

new

> to this field and who want to try it.

>

>

> > Whatever maybe there teachings, whether we draw a Right Inference

> >out of that........that is the question.

> > After all Biru, we are all men of opinions, that is what makes us

> >different from Realized Souls. They do not have

> >opinions..........cause opinions are based on logic and logic

> >requires a base on which it is built, in order to give a base we

> >need a FINITE realm of concepts, theologies, dogmas,

e.t.c..........

> >but that which is been Realized is INFINITE................so they

> >do not possess Opinions, only that they have a direction & they

> >motivate other towards that..........

> > But still being opinioned people we are surely bound to have

> >likings & dislikings...........also as long as we judge things

> >within our FINITE Consiousness we should know that there is an

Equal

> >and opposite Opinion to ours that exists..........Equally strong

as

> >us.............

>

> iam impressed by your logic , see i told you, you can make a better

> philosopher than OSHO . if i would be given a choice to choose btw

> you and OSH0 based on the sensible logic i would choose you rather

> than osho .

>

> see the above article on why yoga is better than drugs,there is no

> mention of the word GOD at all,

> compare it with an article written by yogananda on bad habits,

> its filled with soul inspiring words.

>

> this OSHO guy "confuses" people novice in spritualism , defenitly

no

> me.

> he refers to krsihnamurthi, to me he is another confused soul.

> all birds of same feathers.

>

>

>

> >instead of trying to prove our point rather we should direct all

our

> >energies towards that which is beyond logic, beyond opinions,

beyond

> >doctrines.......that which is INFINITE..........

>

>

> anupam, i am not trying to prove any point, i only have concern for

> people who are novices to spritualism.

>

>

> >only when we attain that Consiousness will we get answers to all

> >questions which are today tearing us apart........till then I

guess

> >we will be always living amidst some Conflicts &

> >Contradictions.Prayers to Gurudev that that Ray Of AtmaGyan may

> >shine on ALL OF US..........

>

>

> no i got answers to most of my questions from my Gurudev and other

> realised souls, which paved me the way for God realisation.

>

>

>

>

> > So if that Webpage offends you, I am sorry........I'll try to

> >change.......As for now I am not disturbing it cause I am facing

lot

> >of problems with Geocities Pagebuilder Download....I may end

> >up spoiling it.

>

>

> i know that you love me.i know that u care for me. even if you dont

> change also i will not take any offence personally, but my heart

will

> cry for those novice souls who want to enter into spritualism.But

to

> me its better to put your photo than the osho one.

>

>

> >Also it is not intended for any promotion stuff or anything like

> >that....

>

> i know that

>

>

> >Internet is already loaded with lots of

> >INFORMATION...............but the TRUE KNOWLEDGE is Within. All

this

> >is just for fun..............

>

> but how would a novice in spiritaulism know that TRUE knwoledge is

> within.

>

>

>

>

>

> > In the midst of so many difference of opinions we are all still

ONE

> >VOICE, ONE VISION, ONE GOAL.............and that is "GURUDEV".

>

>

> TRUE. we should live up to his expectation, he wanted us to fight

> ignorance and other problems in the world.

>

> > Let us be like Young Kids and pray to our Mercyful Gurudev to

Shine

> >his Light on to Us, Tell him to lift the veil of illusion that is

> >enveloping Us, And Pray Him to come to our Rescue..................

>

>

> i heartfully want this to happen NOW.

>

>

> i consider you as my very own,do what your soul tells you to do

> unmindful of anything.

>

> LOVE

> Jai Gurudev

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birendra_m <birendra_m > wrote: Dear anupam,There are 2 choices for

me either to forgte the discussion and let time to solve the problem or make

some effort from my side to fasten this problem solution.see this is the

article i picked from osho times website which says as to why yoga is better

than drugs,carefully see how he handles the logic, rest is up to you as to what

opinion you form, i am still convinced this guy has no trace of

selfrealisation,just see this artilce and article by yogananda you would find

hell lot of difference.anupam i care for you,rest is btw you and Gurudev.i have

done my PART."OSHO Yoga" This is an excerpt from article which tells how yoga is

better than drugs"ARTICLE START...Krishnamurti is right. Very difficult to

understand, but he is right. All experiences are through chemical change — all,

without any exception. Whether you take LSD or you fast, in both the ways body

goes through chemical change. Whether you take marijuana or you do a certain

pranayam, a breathing exercise, in both ways body goes through chemical change.

Try to understand it.When you fast, what happens? Your body loses a few

chemicals because they have to be supplied every day by the food. If you

don'tsupply those chemicals, the body loses those chemicals. Then the ordinary

balance of the chemicals is lost; and because fasting creates an imbalance you

can start feeling a few things. If you fast long enough you will have

hallucinations. If you fast for twenty-one days or more you will become

incapable of judging whether what you are seeing is real or unreal, because for

it a particular chemical is needed and that is lost.All experiences are

chemical, without any exception. When you breathe very much you create much

oxygen inside the body; the quantity of nitrogen falls. More oxygen changes

inner chemicals. You start feeling things which you never felt. If you whirl

around as in dervish dances, spin fast, the body changes; the chemicals change

through spinning. You feel dizzy; a new world opens. All experiences are

chemical.When you are hungry the world looks different. When you are satisfied,

satiated, the world looks different. A poor man has one world and a rich man has

a different world; their chemicals differ. An intelligent man has one world and

a stupid man has a different world; their chemicals differ. A woman has one

world a man has a different world; their chemicals differ.When one becomes

sexually mature, at the age of fourteen or fifteen, a different world arises

because new chemicals are flowing in the bloodstream. For a child of seven, if

you talk about sex and sexual orgasm, he will think you are foolish — "What

nonsense areyou talking?" — because those chemicals are not flowing,

thosehormones are not in the bloodstream. But at the moment of the age of

fourteen, fifteen, the eyes are full of new chemicals; an ordinary woman is

suddenly transformed.Mulla Nasrudin used to go to the hills on holidays.

Sometimes he would go for fifteen days and would be back by the tenth. The boss

asked him, "What is the matter? You asked for fifteen days'leave, and you are

back five days before?" Sometimes he would ask fortwo weeks' leave and he would

come after four weeks. "So what isthe matter?" the boss asked.The Mulla said,

"There is a certain mathematics in it. In thehills I have a bungalow, and the

bungalow is kept by an old, very ugly woman. So this is my criterion: when I

start seeing that ugly woman as a beautiful woman, I run away. So sometimes it

happens after eight days, sometimes ten days.... She is ugly and horrible. You

cannot think that she can be beautiful. But when I start thinking about her and

she starts coming into my dreams and I feel that she is beautiful, then I know

that now this is the time to go back home; otherwise there is danger. So nobody

knows. If I am healthy enough then it comes sooner, within seven days. If I am

not so healthy then it takes two weeks. If I am very weak it takes three weeks.

It depends on chemicals."All experiences are chemical — but one distinction has

to bemade. There are two ways. One is to put the chemicals in — inject them,

smoke them, or throw them in the body. They come from the outside; they are

intruders. That's what all drug people are doing aroundthe world. The other way

is to change the body by fasting, breathing.... That's what all the yogis have

been doing in the East. Theybelong to the same path; the difference is very

little. The difference is that drug people take drugs from the outside, they

intrude on the biochemistry of the body, and the yogis try to change the

balance of their own body, not to intrude from the outside. But as far as I am

concerned, they are the same.But if you have any urge to experience, I will

tell you to choose the path of the yogis, because that way you will not be

dependent, you will be more independent. That way you will never become an

addict, and that way your body will retain its purity, its organic unity. That

way, at least, you will not be an offense to the law — nopolice raid possible.

That way you can go beyond easily. That is the most important thing.If you take

chemicals from the outside into the body, you will remain with them. It will be

difficult, more and more difficult every day, to go beyond. In fact you will

become more and more dependent, so dependent that you will lose all life, all

the charm of life, and the drug experience alone will become your whole life,

the whole center of it.If you move through Yoga, through the inner changes in

the chemistry of the body, you will never be dependent and you will be able to

go beyond. The whole point of religion is to go beyond experiences. Whether you

experience beautiful colors — rainbows all aroundthrough LSD — or you experience

heaven through Yoga exercises, basically there is no difference. In fact until

you go beyond all experiences, all objective experiences, until you come to the

point where only the witness remains and no experience to be experienced, only

the experiencer remains, you have not touched the boundary of religion.The real

religious experience is not an experience at all. Religious experience is not

experience: it is to come to the experiencer where everything known/unknown,

knowable/ unknowable, disappears. Only the witnessing self remains, only a pure

consciousness, with no experience to contaminate it.The reality is your

consciousness. Everything else has to be transcended. If you can remember that,

then one has to pass through all experiences, but one does have to pass

through.If you are after experiences too much, as everyone is — that ispart of

the growth — it is better to choose Yoga exercises than drugs. They are more

subtle, Yoga exercises, more refined.Krishnamurti is not saying something new.

It is the experience of all the Buddhas. But, remember, an experience can

become an experience to you only when you attain to it. Nobody can give it to

you; it cannot be borrowed. If you are still childish and you feel that you

need some experiences, it is better to have them through Yoga exercises.

Finally, that too has to be dropped.But if you choose between LSD and pranayam,

it is better to choose pranayam. You will be less dependent and you will be more

capable of transcending, because the awareness will not be lost in it. In LSD

the awareness will be lost completely.Always choose a higher thing. Whenever

there is a possibility, and you want to choose, choose a higher thing. A moment

will come when you will not like to choose anything...then choicelessness.END...

ARTICLE.>.If we really read the discourses & conversations of God Realized

>Souls we would find many of their statements are contradictory to >each other,

Because whatever they say, More that its Factual >Truthfulness, There words are

RELATIVE & RELEVANT to the people or >group of people it is addressed to.what

you are telling is true, but i never found any contradictions that would form

me to cause a stiff opinion. i hope you get the point.> And anyway it really

does not matter whether Osho was a True Saint >or not..............No anupam it

matters, we should in a way understand that what we do effects our posterity.we

should behave more responsibly.>When I was making that page I just abruptly

picked up 16 >Gurus..........No you picked probably 15 sadgurus and this osho

is 100% not a sadguru.>obviously those whose words has inspired me time and

again.you have to scan his entire spectrum of literature before giving

respect.Gurudev always told before one accepts a person as a Guru one has

tothoroughly investigate the person in reference. atleast i have read as many

books at my disposal before accepting my Gurudev. i understand OSHO is not ur

Guru but still i believe that you have to be more responsible when you pass on

the reference to some hungry soul.anyway my Gurudev has given me enough

knowledge from my past lives that i can differentiate who is what, but what abt

poeple who are new to this field and who want to try it.> Whatever maybe there

teachings, whether we draw a Right Inference >out of that........that is the

question.> After all Biru, we are all men of opinions, that is what makes us

>different from Realized Souls. They do not have >opinions..........cause

opinions are based on logic and logic >requires a base on which it is built, in

order to give a base we >need a FINITE realm of concepts, theologies, dogmas,

e.t.c.......... >but that which is been Realized is INFINITE................so

they >do not possess Opinions, only that they have a direction & they >motivate

other towards that.......... > But still being opinioned people we are surely

bound to have >likings & dislikings...........also as long as we judge things

>within our FINITE Consiousness we should know that there is an Equal >and

opposite Opinion to ours that exists..........Equally strong as

>us.............iam impressed by your logic , see i told you, you can make a

better philosopher than OSHO . if i would be given a choice to choose btw you

and OSH0 based on the sensible logic i would choose you rather than osho .see

the above article on why yoga is better than drugs,there is no mention of the

word GOD at all,compare it with an article written by yogananda on bad

habits,its filled with soul inspiring words.this OSHO guy "confuses" people

novice in spritualism , defenitly no me.he refers to krsihnamurthi, to me he is

another confused soul.all birds of same feathers.>instead of trying to prove our

point rather we should direct all our >energies towards that which is beyond

logic, beyond opinions, beyond >doctrines.......that which is

INFINITE..........anupam, i am not trying to prove any point, i only have

concern for people who are novices to spritualism.>only when we attain that

Consiousness will we get answers to all >questions which are today tearing us

apart........till then I guess >we will be always living amidst some Conflicts

& >Contradictions.Prayers to Gurudev that that Ray Of AtmaGyan may >shine on

ALL OF US..........no i got answers to most of my questions from my Gurudev and

other realised souls, which paved me the way for God realisation.> So if that

Webpage offends you, I am sorry........I'll try to >change.......As for now I

am not disturbing it cause I am facing lot >of problems with Geocities

Pagebuilder Download....I may end >up spoiling it.i know that you love me.i

know that u care for me. even if you dont change also i will not take any

offence personally, but my heart will cry for those novice souls who want to

enter into spritualism.But to me its better to put your photo than the osho

one. >Also it is not intended for any promotion stuff or anything like

>that....i know that>Internet is already loaded with lots of

>INFORMATION...............but the TRUE KNOWLEDGE is Within. All this >is just

for fun..............but how would a novice in spiritaulism know that TRUE

knwoledge is within.> In the midst of so many difference of opinions we are all

still ONE >VOICE, ONE VISION, ONE GOAL.............and that is "GURUDEV".TRUE.

we should live up to his expectation, he wanted us to fight ignorance and other

problems in the world.> Let us be like Young Kids and pray to our Mercyful

Gurudev to Shine >his Light on to Us, Tell him to lift the veil of illusion

that is >enveloping Us, And Pray Him to come to our Rescue..................i

heartfully want this to happen NOW.i consider you as my very own,do what your

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i don't understand why r all u guys trying to prove urself innocent with lot

of pains.

 

You are what you are nobody can snatch that away from you by mere words.

I know its easy to say but i guess we should follow it.

 

There is one story. i guess many on the group would have come across it.

Its from zen. its something like this.

 

There was one young lady. She became pregnant and said it was the deed

of a sadhu who used to live near her cottage. Everyone on hearing this

became very angry

and people ended up beating up the holy one. he didn't say anything except

"is it so".

Baby was given to him. He started nurturing the baby. Women after sme days

couldn't bear this

and revealed the truth that she is in love with a young man and its their

child.

Everyone apologized to sadhu. Sadhu again just said "is it so".

 

 

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>

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>

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Jai Gurudev,Hi. all.I also have been waiting for email since early April.

Perhaps some one would be kind enough to help me out. The prices of sadhana is

written as 300/. For instance Kuber sadhana article-300/. What is the 300?. Is

this 300 RS?. What is the equavelent in US?.I was in an extremely difficult

situation. I borrowed a Bhagavad Gita that had a number of pages missing. After

reading it I decided to chant HARE KRSNA, HARE KRSNA, KRSNA KRSNA, HARE HARE/

HARE RAMA, HARE RAMA, RAMA RAMA, HARE HARE. This I did both day and night until

my problem was solved. Dispite of the horrible condition I was successful. There

was no explination for the chain of event that took place. I cannot read Hindi

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for kuber sadhana packet which includes kuber yantra and kuber mala.it will

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articles plz visit www.siddhashram.org.

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kamvena <kamlasaran.nanhu (AT) 3web (DOT) net> wrote: Jai Gurudev,Hi. all.I also have

been waiting for email since early April. Perhaps some one would be kind enough

to help me out. The prices of sadhana is written as 300/. For instance Kuber

sadhana article-300/. What is the 300?. Is this 300 RS?. What is the equavelent

in US?.I was in an extremely difficult situation. I borrowed a Bhagavad Gita

that had a number of pages missing. After reading it I decided to chant HARE

KRSNA, HARE KRSNA, KRSNA KRSNA, HARE HARE/ HARE RAMA, HARE RAMA, RAMA RAMA,

HARE HARE. This I did both day and night until my problem was solved. Dispite

of the horrible condition I was successful. There was no explination for the

chain of event that took place. I cannot read Hindi and I din't had a GURU. I

know very little in this field. I believe that you can be successful if you are

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yup! u can do this prathna ( use your own words) before starting and after

you complete

your sadhana. You can ask for forgiveness for all your deeds present or past

lives from everyone (whole universe). There is one sadhana which if done

will frutify all the sadhanas that you would have done till now and even in

your previous births ( if i recall correctly ).

 

i guess the name of the sadhana is Brahmaanda Sadhana. I don't know in which

issue it was published. Search in 1997 - 1999 issues. its for sure is there

in that. i guess that issue has a photograph of Pujniya Guru Mataa and Pujya

Gurudev.

 

you can place siddhashrama gutika near in your sadhana place. also one more

mantra is there few chantings of which will help in getting success in

sadhana. that one i have will email it.

 

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>s_dipity [s_dipity]

>Monday, June 03, 2002 6:45 PM

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>All of us are ordinary human beings , well , atleast I am. May be I

>dont do the sadhna the right way or may be I dont chant the Mantra

>correctly or may be I cant stop my thots from straying away while

>doing the Jaap. Does anybody know of anything that can help get the

>results inspite of the mistakes. Something like a Kshama Prarthna.

>

>Thanks

>S

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Anurag

Thanks a lot.

I look forward to that Mantra.

 

 

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>

> yup! u can do this prathna ( use your own words)

> before starting and after

> you complete

> your sadhana. You can ask for forgiveness for all

> your deeds present or past

> lives from everyone (whole universe). There is one

> sadhana which if done

> will frutify all the sadhanas that you would have

> done till now and even in

> your previous births ( if i recall correctly ).

>

> i guess the name of the sadhana is Brahmaanda

> Sadhana. I don't know in which

> issue it was published. Search in 1997 - 1999

> issues. its for sure is there

> in that. i guess that issue has a photograph of

> Pujniya Guru Mataa and Pujya

> Gurudev.

>

> you can place siddhashrama gutika near in your

> sadhana place. also one more

> mantra is there few chantings of which will help in

> getting success in

> sadhana. that one i have will email it.

>

>

> >

> >s_dipity [s_dipity]

> >Monday, June 03, 2002 6:45 PM

> >

> > (unknown)

> >

> >

> >All of us are ordinary human beings , well ,

> atleast I am. May be I

> >dont do the sadhna the right way or may be I dont

> chant the Mantra

> >correctly or may be I cant stop my thots from

> straying away while

> >doing the Jaap. Does anybody know of anything that

> can help get the

> >results inspite of the mistakes. Something like a

> Kshama Prarthna.

> >

> >Thanks

> >S

> >

> >

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nikhilashish <nikhilashish > wrote: > ashish, let it be. this si the

second account i referred> to and not james kirkWHAT??? You think s_dipity is

ME???? Oh no, you are gravely mistaken again. I am not s_dipity. This is crazy.

Tomorrow, you would say that I am devi_bhagat, Anurag Goel, Rohit and even,

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She knows, I am a techie guy and she has already declared me an IP

forger. Even if I try to reason with her mentioning our different

IPs, she would not believe me.

 

Ashish...

>

> I was also surprised to know that you thought s-dipity was ashish.

After going through all the mails that I exchanged with Ashish, how

cld u even think of that.

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> nikhilashish <nikhilashish> wrote: > ashish, let it be. this

si the second account i referred

> > to and not james kirk

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> WHAT??? You think s_dipity is ME???? Oh no, you are gravely

mistaken

> again. I am not s_dipity. This is crazy. Tomorrow, you would say

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JAI GURUDEV

> Ashish, I will say that you should just ignore this.

 

Yeah, you are right. I shouldn't have got into this crap in the first

place. This is where I learn nothing from my mistakes. I keep loosing

my temper and anyone can easily drag me into anything. I am sorry for

all the mess.

 

Let's forget the whole stuff and move on with the regular stuff.

 

By the way, she is right in a sense. We all are Guruji's disciples

and carry his essence in our souls. Thus, we all are the same, more

or less. Thus, this way, I and you are one.

 

Come on, Anu. Can't you simply forget the negative things? I can't

offer a trip to Newyork but, still, I am your brother. Please, sis;

be a sport.

 

Have a nice day...

 

Ashish...

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Is this on an audio on the net anywhere so I can

follow the mantra correctly ?

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devi_bhagat

Sunday, July 21, 2002 11:45 PM

(unknown)

there was a minor typing mistake in the mantra i typed for nazir ji.it is

chaakhe and not chakhe (cha and kha of charkha)Shreem hreem kleem

ganneshwaraaya brahma swaroopaaya chaakhe sarva siddhi pradaaya vighneshaaya

namo namahmy wishes to all on guru poornima. i may not be able to visit before

a week as my work suffers. but nazir ji, i will pray for you between my work. i

once again request everyone here to pray for him. and once again i am sorry for

the mess here for which i was the direct or indirect cause. jaigurudevanuJay

Gurudev

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, "Nazir Patel" <nazir1@r...> wrote:

> Is this on an audio on the net anywhere so I can

> follow the mantra correctly ?

>

nazir ji,

if you send me a personal e mail with your phone no. i will call you

and let you know. alternately you can take mine and call me. if you

have the facility to voice chat, we can voice chat too.

please send me a personal mail with your preference.

jai gurudev

anu

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There are many hands that are coming forward to help you and all towards the

RIGHT direction. Some of the material posted to you by Ashish lately are very

very POWERFUL, such as, Baglamukhi Mala Mantra. Do not mind your pronunciation

and try chanting this 11 or 21 times a day with Total Love,Devotion and hearty

Prayers to the Almighty Goddess. It will SURELY help you to pull out of your

present situation. Also, for the rest of the day you may chant the Beej Mantra

of the Goddess i.e., " HLIM". This can be continued silently within your mind,

while you are awake and doing your day to day chores. This system is called

Ajapa Jap.Just keep a pure heart with no intentions of any malice or revenge

towards anybody - That is the basic foundation of any tantra sadhana. Thanks &

regards,

Anupam

A Small Correction:- In the below stated Super-Powerful GANESH Mantra, many a

times the word when written in Devnagari Script is misread as " CHAAKHE",

however, the actual word is "CHARAVE".[This is to the best of my knowledge]

Nazir Patel wrote:

Is this on an audio on the net anywhere so I can

follow the mantra correctly ?

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devi_bhagat

Sunday, July 21, 2002 11:45 PM

(unknown)

there was a minor typing mistake in the mantra i typed for nazir ji.it is

chaakhe and not chakhe (cha and kha of charkha)Shreem hreem kleem

ganneshwaraaya brahma swaroopaaya chaakhe sarva siddhi pradaaya vighneshaaya

namo namahmy wishes to all on guru poornima. i may not be able to visit before

a week as my work suffers. but nazir ji, i will pray for you between my work. i

once again request everyone here to pray for him. and once again i am sorry for

the mess here for which i was the direct or indirect cause. jaigurudevanuJay

Gurudev

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> A Small Correction:- In the below stated Super-Powerful GANESH

Mantra, many a times the word when written in Devnagari Script is

misread as " CHAAKHE", however, the actual word is "CHARAVE".[This is

to the best of my knowledge]

 

 

this is possible. since the english pronounciation is not given with

the mantra, i cannot answer one way or the other. however i always

chanted chakhe and it worked for me.

all the more a sign nazir ji that please do not worry so much about

translation. if you choose to chant bagla mukhi mala mantra, please

not eat non veg till the first week of august, if possible wear

yellow while chanting as it is highly recommended, celibacy is a MUST

with baglamukhi sadhana - big or small.

but yes, naupam is right it is very powerful indeed.good wishes

jai gurudev

anu

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Dear anupam,

I just checked the net and found aum chaarave swaahaa as a name for

Krishna.. I also called a friend who has a Phd in hindi and has

worked in Sanskrit. Though she seems unclear about meaning of eithe,

she felt that may be chaarve is more likely. So I guess you are right.

I really do not know what to say. I have used this mantra with

chaakhe more than once in extremely tough situations and it seemed to

work like magic.

 

This just means that GODs are not so impressed with the methodology

and perfection in prayers and chants. if you have devotion that is

all they need.

But thank you very much for correcting me. may be the trunked lord

wanted to correct me, and this was his way.

Jai gurudev

anu

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Baglamukhi is one of the godesses of dash mahavidhya.

Mantra: OM HRLIM BAGLAMUKHI SARVA DRUSTANAM VACHAM MUKHAM

PADAM STAMBHAYAM JIVHAM KILAYAM BUDHIM VINASHAY HRLIM

OM SWAHA :Baglamukhi yantra is available in BRASS { her basic metal brass or

gold }

with the worship of this godesses we can complete our work [which get delayed]

it is mentioned in mantra this yantra is used for solved legal problem, to clear enemy, etc..

Saw this on a website.

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devi_bhagat

Monday, July 22, 2002 2:14 AM

Re: (unknown)

> A Small Correction:- In the below stated Super-Powerful GANESH Mantra,

many a times the word when written in Devnagari Script is misread as "

CHAAKHE", however, the actual word is "CHARAVE".[This is to the best of my

knowledge]this is possible. since the english pronounciation is not given with

the mantra, i cannot answer one way or the other. however i always chanted

chakhe and it worked for me.all the more a sign nazir ji that please do not

worry so much about translation. if you choose to chant bagla mukhi mala

mantra, please not eat non veg till the first week of august, if possible wear

yellow while chanting as it is highly recommended, celibacy is a MUST with

baglamukhi sadhana - big or small. but yes, naupam is right it is very powerful

indeed.good wishesjai gurudevanuJay GurudevYour use of is subject

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, "Nazir Patel" <nazir1@r...> wrote:

> Baglamukhi is one of the godesses of dash mahavidhya.

>

> Mantra: OM HRLIM BAGLAMUKHI

> SARVA DRUSTANAM VACHAM MUKHAM PADAM

> STAMBHAYAM JIVHAM KILAYAM

> BUDHIM VINASHAY HRLIM OM SWAHA :

> Baglamukhi yantra is available in BRASS { her basic metal brass or

gold }

>

> with the worship of this godesses we can complete our work [which

get delayed]

>

> it is mentioned in mantra this yantra is used for solved legal

problem, to clear enemy, etc..

>

>

nazir ji,

 

i know you are going through a tough phase. it is very natural for a

person's mind to be confused in such a situation. baglamukhi mala

mantra will work again for anything no matter what the problem. the

enemy mentioned there can be anything that is bothering you including

this monetary problem. if you can read devnaagari as you said please

just find a clean yellow t shirt and chant it as my guru bhais say.

trying to not eat non veg for the next few days and remaining

celibate. this is not the mantra they were talking about. please

trust it will work in this case too. i suggest agian the same

staretegy . you may repeat hleem as anupam says or just keep sitting

and reading the bagla maala mantra wherever

you are since i assume you are not working there may be a lot

of time. please try to relax and take goodcare.

jai gurudev

anu

 

 

 

 

 

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> > A Small Correction:- In the below stated Super-Powerful GANESH

> Mantra, many a times the word when written in Devnagari Script is

> misread as " CHAAKHE", however, the actual word is "CHARAVE".

[This is

> to the best of my knowledge]

>

>

> this is possible. since the english pronounciation is not given

with

> the mantra, i cannot answer one way or the other. however i

always

> chanted chakhe and it worked for me.

> all the more a sign nazir ji that please do not worry so much

about

> translation. if you choose to chant bagla mukhi mala mantra,

please

> not eat non veg till the first week of august, if possible wear

> yellow while chanting as it is highly recommended, celibacy is a

MUST

> with baglamukhi sadhana - big or small.

> but yes, naupam is right it is very powerful indeed.good wishes

> jai gurudev

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