Guest guest Posted March 31, 2001 Report Share Posted March 31, 2001 JAI GURUDEV Hi everyone... I am planning an online extension of Mantra Tantra Yantra Vigyan which would be collectively managed by all of us. It would contain articles, sadhanas, tips & tricks, experiences, stories and other stuff related to Guruji and various sadhanas. It would be hosted on a free service and I would take care of all the technical stuff. This way, we would be able to learn, share our knowledge, promote Siddhashram Sadhak Parivaar and, most importantly, perform Guru Seva. Although, in this forum everything I mentioned can be easily done, we just can't catalog information in a searchable format. Also, we can't invite people from other religious groups otherwise, we may create chaos here. We all have something common, a portion of Guruji's hard earned power. Imagine what our collective power can do for the whole humanity. As I mentioned earlier, this is going to be a collaborative effort of all of us and I won't be able to do anything without your support. So please, take time and send your views on these three point: 1. Would you like to be a part of this project? If yes, how? 2. According to you, what should be included in this site? 3. Your comments on this idea. Looking forward towards a positive response from all. Have a nice day. Ashish Marathe Webmaster, hostwhois http://www.hostwhois.com JAI GURUDEV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2001 Report Share Posted March 31, 2001 Jai Gurudev !!! Hi Ashish! Nice thoughts. But before going for it the permission of Pujya Gurudev will have to be taken by meeting him personally. If he says yes to it. Count me in. Jai Gurudev!!! On Sat, 31 Mar 2001, Ashish Marathe wrote: > JAI GURUDEV > > Hi everyone... > > I am planning an online extension of Mantra Tantra Yantra Vigyan which would be collectively managed by all of us. It would contain articles, sadhanas, tips & tricks, experiences, stories and other stuff related to Guruji and various sadhanas. It would be hosted on a free service and I would take care of all the technical stuff. This way, we would be able to learn, share our knowledge, promote Siddhashram Sadhak Parivaar and, most importantly, perform Guru Seva. Although, in this forum everything I mentioned can be easily done, we just can't catalog information in a searchable format. Also, we can't invite people from other religious groups otherwise, we may create chaos here. > > We all have something common, a portion of Guruji's hard earned power. Imagine what our collective power can do for the whole humanity. > > As I mentioned earlier, this is going to be a collaborative effort of all of us and I won't be able to do anything without your support. So please, take time and send your views on these three point: > > 1. Would you like to be a part of this project? If yes, how? > > 2. According to you, what should be included in this site? > > 3. Your comments on this idea. > > Looking forward towards a positive response from all. Have a nice day. > > Ashish Marathe > Webmaster, hostwhois > http://www.hostwhois.com > > JAI GURUDEV > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2001 Report Share Posted April 1, 2001 Dear Ashishji, Jai Gurudev Anurag ji is right. We sud ask and take Revered Gurudev's permission before starting anything like this. There are couple of issues which i can think of- a. Most of the new visitors to the site are curious, and in my view most of the people want an assurance that - this all is not a crazy myth or joke, want to have confidence that sadhanas & dikshas actually work, want to know basic guidelines on how to do it, want to know if they can do this without leaving family life, and such general stuff. I guess that this discussion group serves that purpose by giving them confidence and assurnce that all this is indeed true and authentic, and they get to interact with real people who have been thru Sadhanas. However, most of the information on this group is spread across randomly, and one has to wade thru lots of useless mails and spend time and effort to get real info. For example, someone recently said that he read all the 192 mails. That requires a lots of effort.Most of the people want stuff quickly and wont have enthu to go thru all tose mails. Probably, that is what guided yr intention to provide the required stuff in one place. Very good plans, and I really appreciate this. The problem is that splitting the questions categorywise (info on articles, yr experiences etc.) might not solve the problem, as most of the query/answers are in multiple category. It cant be done automatically, someone will have to rearrange and format the stuff by hand. Technically, we can implement this by -having a special section on our website www.siddhashram.org called as "Voice of Sadhaks". This cud have various categories like "tips from sadhaks", "how i managed to succeed in sadhanas", "experiences with Tantrokt nariyal", "what is ? (ang nyas etc.)". Each of these individual category page cud have a text entry form with an upload button.Anyone sud be able to upload data on this. might require bit of cgi-bin/java. Once a week, someone sud physically scan these categories and remove the unnecessary/junk stuff. We cud call for volunteers, and assign duties on a rotation system so that no one suffer with excess workload. we can use the siddhashram.org space for this. The prolem with free hosting is that they are very slow and give random advertisement banners. All webmasters/computer experts, please puton your "s/w hat" and give comments on technical fesibility of this. once we have a concrete plan & solution, letus suggest this to Gurudev. I also want some technical comments on how to add video/audio to web. Sud we go for mp3 or ra format? sud our website contain Gurudev's pravachans? can we suggest for putting video of some sections of past shivirs vide-cassettes on website. b. If we make a new website who will be responsible for moderating this. i.e. any new sadhak will be guided by the tips&tricks etc. i dont think that anyone from this group has the qualification for providing autentic answers to any queries. we just provide suggestions from our own expereinces. AND A LITTLE KNOWLEDGE IS A VERY DANGEROUS THING. Bear in mind that most of te new sadhaks have a genuine, life threatening problem, and only Gurudev can provide them solution and advice. Not us! c. I am of the view that any operation like this sud be run from our website www.siddhasram.org This website and Mantra Tantra Yantra Vigyan magazine are provided by Gurudev for us disciples & sadhaks. We sud not bring forth multiple websites. That will dilute the effort and confuse the new people. it migt become counterproductive! d. A part of content of the Mantra Tantra Yantra Vigyan magazine is already published on the website. We sudnt tink about starting any parallel operation. Rather something to complement this. Currently I find columns like Experience, Auspicious times, shivir schedule, quotes, one sadhana etc. on the web. We can have a brainstorming session about how to improve this, and then present our collective suggestions to Pujya Gurudev. Anyone viewing the experiences, and current FAQ section on website views it with 100% confidence that all the material present there is 100% authentic and confirmed by Gurudev. If we start a parallel topic, then how will we ensure integrity & acuracy of content. Probably, we can discuss about ways to improve/additions to FAQ, new contents like tips&tricks, and get them confirmed by Gurudev and get them uploaded on website. e. Your ideas are really very good. I guess that the preamble of this discussion group was to discuss such issues like tips, experiences, sadhanas etc. We do discuss about them on this group. However, we are handicapped by the fact that none of us can ever provide authentic answers. I guess that we sud provide a basic guideline to the queries, and encourage the "seeker" to contact Gurudham by email/letter or fax to get confirmed answers. We can only guide the person to the correct place and perform Guru Sewa by guiding the person to correct place. We sudnt become "blind leading the lame". Ashishji, you have mntioned - "It would contain articles, sadhanas, tips & tricks, experiences, stories and other stuff related to Guruji and various sadhanas. It " Letus concentrate our efforts on the improvements to our current website www.siddhashram.org to add all these. These things are already present on our website. How to improve the current content & presentability. Thanks a lot for starting this thread Ashishji, Let us think and put in some constructive effort. I am sorry if it has become a biiig mail. Jai Gurudev > > > Jai Gurudev !!! > > Hi Ashish! > > Nice thoughts. But before going for it the permission of Pujya > Gurudev will have to be taken by meeting him personally. If he says yes to > it. Count me in. > > > Jai Gurudev!!! > > On Sat, 31 Mar 2001, Ashish Marathe wrote: > > > JAI GURUDEV > > > > Hi everyone... > > > > I am planning an online extension of Mantra Tantra Yantra Vigyan which would be collectively managed by all of us. It would contain articles, sadhanas, tips & tricks, experiences, stories and other stuff related to Guruji and various sadhanas. It would be hosted on a free service and I would take care of all the technical stuff. This way, we would be able to learn, share our knowledge, promote Siddhashram Sadhak Parivaar and, most importantly, perform Guru Seva. Although, in this forum everything I mentioned can be easily done, we just can't catalog information in a searchable format. Also, we can't invite people from other religious groups otherwise, we may create chaos here. > > > > We all have something common, a portion of Guruji's hard earned power. Imagine what our collective power can do for the whole humanity. > > > > As I mentioned earlier, this is going to be a collaborative effort of all of us and I won't be able to do anything without your support. So please, take time and send your views on these three point: > > > > 1. Would you like to be a part of this project? If yes, how? > > > > 2. According to you, what should be included in this site? > > > > 3. Your comments on this idea. > > > > Looking forward towards a positive response from all. Have a nice day. > > > > Ashish Marathe > > Webmaster, hostwhois > > http://www.hostwhois.com > > > > JAI GURUDEV > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2001 Report Share Posted April 1, 2001 JAI GURUDEV Dear Arvind & Anurag, Thanks for responding and sincerely helping me. Your thoughts have strengthened my thoughts. This is a long mail. Please, read it carefully and completely. > Anurag ji is right. We sud ask and take Revered Gurudev's > permission before starting anything like this. I would never forget seeking Guruji's permission. I have already initiated the process. But, wouldn't it be better to carefully plan everything before presenting the project to Guruji. I am sure, his first question would be what this site would contain and how am I going to manage it? Now, you might consider me insane, but last week Guruji came in my dream and inspired me to do it. > most of the information on this group is spread across randomly, > and one has to wade thru lots of useless mails and spend time > and effort to get real info. > The problem is that splitting the questions categorywise (info on > articles, yr experiences etc.) might not solve the problem, as most > of the query/answers are in multiple category. It cant be done > automatically, someone will have to rearrange and format the stuff > by hand. > The prolem with free hosting is that they are very slow and give > random advertisement banners. I have done my homework. I would be using ASP+, XML and an Access database. The information, when stored in XML files or databases, can be easily and automatically categorized, sorted, searched and prioritized using ASP. No manual processing would be required and I'll take care of all the technical stuff. I agree that free hosting is slow but siddhashram.org itself was on a free server for about two years. Visit brinkster.com. They offer 30 megs for free with ASP and Access database support and no forced banners. > Technically, we can implement this by -having a special section on > our website www.siddhashram.org called as "Voice of Sadhaks". This > cud have various categories like "tips from sadhaks", "how i > managed to succeed in sadhanas", "experiences with Tantrokt > nariyal", "what is ? (ang nyas etc.)". Each of these individual > category page cud have a text entry form with an upload > button.Anyone sud be able to upload data on this. might require > bit of cgi-bin/java. Once a week, someone sud physically scan > these categories and remove the unnecessary/junk stuff. We cud > call for volunteers, and assign duties on a rotation system so > that no one suffer with excess workload. > we can use the siddhashram.org space for this. Siddhashram.org is hosted by easyspace.com on a virtual server with limited space and bandwidth. It is already a huge site, something difficult to manage. Creating new sections would increase space, bandwidth and management requirements and ultimately, make thing costlier. As a professional, I would never recommend allowing anyone to upload. This can only cause disaster and weekly, or even daily, junk removals just won't work. This is not a good idea from security point of view also. The people, who manage siddhashram.org, are also responsible for publishing MTYV, handling subscriptions, dispatching sadhana articles, planning shivirs and many other works. Would it be reasonable to ask them to work more while we can help them by helping ourselves? > I also want some technical comments on how to add video/audio > to web. Sud we go for mp3 or ra format? sud our website contain > Gurudev's pravachans? can we suggest for putting video of some > sections of past shivirs vide-cassettes on website. Siddhashram.org already has audio. A 30 minute video, in smallest possible size, would be of around 100 megs. Need I say more? > b. If we make a new website who will be responsible for moderating > this. i.e. any new sadhak will be guided by the tips&tricks etc. i > dont think that anyone from this group has the qualification for > providing autentic answers to any queries. we just provide > suggestions from our own expereinces. AND A LITTLE KNOWLEDGE IS A > VERY DANGEROUS THING. Bear in mind that most of te new sadhaks > have a genuine, life threatening problem, and only Gurudev can > provide them solution and advice. Not us! As you said earlier, every newcomer is curious and needs help and assurance before diving into the sadhana ocean. They need answers on smaller and common issues like how to hold the rosary, how to sit, what to eat, when to rise etc. I intend to answer these smaller questions. I intend to provide help and assurance to boost their confidence in Guruji. I DO NOT INTEND TO BECOME A GURUDEV MYSELF. > c. I am of the view that any operation like this sud be run from > our website www.siddhasram.org This website and Mantra Tantra > Yantra Vigyan magazine are provided by Gurudev for us disciples > & sadhaks. We sud not bring forth multiple websites. That will > dilute the effort and confuse the new people. it migt become > counterproductive! Guruji always says, we must spread the ancient indian knowledge as far as possible.We must make the world understand that Indian sadhanas are based on science not superstition. It is every disciple's primary duty. I am not suggesting any parallel operation or any such thing, I am just trying to do what my Guruji told me to do. Instead of putting extra burden on people who are already overloaded with work, I am searching cost effective alternatives. One years ago, when I met Shrivastava ji and suggested a few enhancements, he said, "Why are you telling me all this? If you know all this, why don't you do it yourself. Aren't you a part of Siddhashram Sadhak Parivaar?" He asked me to relocate to Delhi. I was unable to do that. Then I saught his permission to create a website for the Durg branch of SSP and immediately got it. Unfortunately, that idea didn't click. > Ashishji, you have mntioned - "It would contain articles, > sadhanas, tips & tricks, experiences, stories and other stuff > related to Guruji and various sadhanas." Let me rephrase that for you. It would contain article by sadhaks on their sadhana experiences, tips on daily sadhanas and pujans, tricks for improving ourselves and stories related to their meeting with Guruji, shivirs, sadhaks etc. > Letus concentrate our efforts on the improvements to our current > website www.siddhashram.org to add all these. These things are > already present on our website. How to improve the current content > & presentability. The people, who are working on siddhashram.org, are doing an excellent job and I am sure they'll continue it. What are we doing for our Guruji? Let's join hands and work togather to help them and fulfill our Guruji's dream. Let me make it clear once more. I am not going to create anything parallel or counterproductive. My aim is spread my Guruji's knowledge and promote SSP. I won't rid myself of my responsibilies by giving only suggestions. I am going to act for it. > Let us think and put in some constructive effort. Are you trying to say that my idea is destructive? Don't panic, it' a joke Have a nice day... Ashish Marathe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2001 Report Share Posted April 2, 2001 Dear brothers, Difference of opinion is a very, very healthy thing. It is a sign of openness and intelligence. And without these no progress is possible. Let us first start with the common ground. Everyone agrees that Guruji's permission, and opinion should be taken. Which means that if he says yes, we proceed, and if he says no we do not. But, yes, definitely before presenting the idea homework should be done. That is just a sign of sincerity. 2. According to you, what should be included in this site? Many of us have come across Guruji searching for solutions for our problems. And it is true that for more serious and specific questions consulting Guruji is the best option. But, in my opinion a new sadhak can get lost in the huge number of sadhnas. It is a situation in which you have many tasty sweets lying in front of you, and you do not know what to eat. What we can do is categorize the sadhnas. One category for each Mahavidya, one for tantra badha nivaran, one for wealth, one for pitra santushti etc. And in each category there should be some select sadhnas (the selection of which I agree before anyone points out is not within our capacity, but we have Guruji and other senior people to help us). Along with that should go rules specific to those sadhnas. And also experiences of sadhaks. Not necessarily in terms of divine experiences, but in terms of the problems they faced, and how they overcame them, and what was their approach. How many times did they have to repeat the sadhna before getting success. I remember reading in the magazine about some one who obtained success in an apsara sadhna only 48th time (or so). I must admit that in my opinion this is the only way to success--"Arise, awake, and stop not till the goal is reached". But the goal should not waver every 10 days, or with every new issue of the magazine. The new sadhaks need support and also need to be reassured that success in initial sadhnas will elude them far more than when they acquire maturity, and experience. In my personal opinion for a new sadhak (and I am a new sadhak), the best sankalp is for karya poorti. i.e. I will sit in this sadhna everyday till I attain the desired result, and I do not care if it happens in two days, or two months , or an year. If my sins come in the way, I will work harder to fight the negative forces.. I had once met a very senior Gurubhai, who had attained success in many high level sadhnas (though he was rightly reluctant to talk about the experiences and even divulge the exact sadhnas and I picked some jewels from him. He recommended that apart from taking Guru Diksha, one should also take Guru Hridya Dharan Diksha. That his daily ritual was sadhna according to Dainik vidhi + 4 mala Guru mantra + 1 mala Chetna + 1 mala Gayatri. But that he never performed small prayogs. He always did a 125000 chant of Guru mantra followed by 125000 chant of the mantra of the intended deity, and always achieved success in the first time. And of course before performing any sava lakh ka anushthaan, he always took the required Diksha. These are the kind of experiences that should be told to new sadhak even more than which deity appeared, and said what. I feel that many basic questions have been dealt with very well in the Frequently Asked Questions section. However, if any of us comes across questions which are different from those already covered there we can make a list of them. And they can be either answered to the best of our knowledge with a specific menion that we are not authority, or ask Guruji for the answers and put them on the net (where? wherever they are easily accessible to a new sadhak, or someone new to the site.) Jai Gurudev > Are you trying to say that my idea is destructive? No, not at all. But we all have to remember that we all think very differently. But as an initiator of new ideas you have to be open to criticism and all parties have to have tolerance for the views of others. After all that is the way to progress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2001 Report Share Posted April 2, 2001 JAI GURUDEV Hi there... Thanks for your opinion. I am enjoying this discussion. > Everyone agrees that Guruji's permission, and opinion should be > taken. I am no exception. As soon as we get a clear idea about what actually are we going to do, I'll talk first to Shrivastavji and then to Guruji. > > Are you trying to say that my idea is destructive? > No, not at all. But we all have to remember that we all think > very differently. But as an initiator of new ideas you have to > be open to criticism and all parties have to have tolerance for > the views of others. After all that is the way to progress. I didn't really mean that. I was just joking. I think, after a good round of serious discussion, a touch of humour is always a great idea. Looking forward towards more responses. Take care, Ashish Marathe , zm1603@h... wrote: > > Dear brothers, > > Difference of opinion is a very, very healthy thing. It is a sign of > openness and intelligence. And without these no progress is > possible. > Let us first start with the common ground. Everyone agrees that > Guruji's permission, and opinion should be taken. > Which means that if he says yes, we proceed, and if he says no we do > not. > But, yes, definitely before presenting the idea homework should be > done. That is just a sign of sincerity. > > 2. According to you, what should be included in this site? > > Many of us have come across Guruji searching for solutions for our > problems. And it is true that for more serious and specific > questions consulting Guruji is the best option. But, in my opinion a > new sadhak can get lost in the huge number of sadhnas. It is > a situation in which you have many tasty sweets lying in front of you, > and you do not know what to eat. What we can do is > categorize the sadhnas. One category for each Mahavidya, one for > tantra badha nivaran, one for wealth, one for pitra santushti > etc. And in each category there should be some select sadhnas (the > selection of which I agree before anyone points out is not > within our capacity, but we have Guruji and other senior people to > help us). Along with that should go rules specific to those > sadhnas. And also experiences of sadhaks. Not necessarily in terms of > divine experiences, but in terms of the problems they > faced, and how they overcame them, and what was their approach. How > many times did they have to repeat the sadhna before > getting success. I remember reading in the magazine about some one who > obtained success in an apsara sadhna only 48th time > (or so). I must admit that in my opinion this is the only way to > success--"Arise, awake, and stop not till the goal is reached". But > the goal should not waver every 10 days, or with every new issue of > the magazine. The new sadhaks need support and also > need to be reassured that success in initial sadhnas will elude them > far more than when they acquire maturity, and experience. > In my personal opinion for a new sadhak (and I am a new sadhak), > the best sankalp is for karya poorti. i.e. I will sit in this sadhna > everyday till I attain the desired result, and I do not care if it > happens in > two days, or two months , or an year. If my sins come in the way, I > will work harder to fight the negative forces.. I had once > met a very senior Gurubhai, who had attained success in many high > level sadhnas (though he was rightly reluctant to talk about > the experiences and even divulge the exact sadhnas and I picked some > jewels from him. He recommended that apart from > taking Guru Diksha, one should also take Guru Hridya Dharan Diksha. > That his daily ritual was sadhna according to Dainik > vidhi + 4 mala Guru mantra + 1 mala Chetna + 1 mala Gayatri. But that > he never performed small prayogs. He always did a > 125000 chant of Guru mantra followed by 125000 chant of the mantra of > the intended deity, and always achieved success in > the first time. And of course before performing any sava lakh ka > anushthaan, he always took the required Diksha. These are the > kind of experiences that should be told to new sadhak even more than > which deity appeared, and said what. > > I feel that many basic questions have been dealt with very well in the > Frequently Asked Questions section. However, if any of > us comes across questions which are different from those already > covered there we can make a list of them. And they can be > either answered to the best of our knowledge with a specific menion > that we are not authority, or ask Guruji for the answers > and put them on the net (where? wherever they are easily accessible to > a new sadhak, or someone new to the site.) > > Jai Gurudev > > > > > > > Are you trying to say that my idea is destructive? > > No, not at all. But we all have to remember that we all think very > differently. But as an initiator of new ideas you have to be open to > criticism and all parties have to have tolerance for the views of > others. After all that is the way to progress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2001 Report Share Posted April 2, 2001 -Dear Ashish Jai Gurudev > > > I am no exception. As soon as we get a clear idea about what > actually are we going to do, I'll talk first to Shrivastavji and > then to Guruji. > I do sincerely appreciate your attempts, and I wish you good luck. The least we can do is not try to throw cold water on on the enthusiasm anfd efforts of others. > > I didn't really mean that. I was just joking. I think, after > a good round of serious discussion, a touch of humour is always > a great idea. Yes, yes I know that. But in a communication what you mean to say is not necssarrily what the other party understands. The other party often understands what it wants to understand. > > Looking forward towards more responses. > > Take care, > > Ashish Marathe Good wishes, and you too take care Jai Gurudev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2001 Report Share Posted April 2, 2001 Jai Gurudev. Okay, so letus get moving and brainstorm the ideas. i have tried to putin a brief summary out of various opinions - As I understand it, the aim of this "project" will be to- a. create FAQ containing answers to common problems faced by newcomers. b. general tips,feelings etc. by sadhaks who have practiced sadhanas etc. c. stories/experiences of sadhaks d. seperate page/section for various deities, mahavidyas, sadhana_purpose (wealth,fame etc) I agree that putting everything on siddhashram.org might make it more complex and lead to bandwidth and other problems. We can host it somewhere else. However, WE CAN & SUD HAVE A LINK TO THERE FROM THE www.siddhashram.org. Getting a link won't be a problem at all. My main intention was and is not to have duplicity of information, or a vast plethora of sites. Lets keep things simple for the new sadhaks. Have a link to the new site from main-site & let it be managed independently by a group of people (like this discussion group). That brings us to following issues- a. I guess that we want to complement the existing FAQ, by providing answers to common queries. We ourselves have no means of authenticating this info. Someone suggested putting in a disclaimer, which seems like a right thing to do. Alternatively, we can periodically (eg. bimonthly) get these answers approved from Gurudev and then get them uploaded on the main www.siddhashram.org site. That way, we can collect together multiple queries from various sadhaks, and get the answers verified by Gurudev so that everyone benefits from "correct" answers. b. We are very thankful to you for offering to manage it and handle all the issues. However, I want to contribute as much as possible to this cause. I will like to volunteer my services in anyway that u want to use. Anuragji has also expressed willingness to join in it. I guess that there are some more s/w engineers out there. It cud also be a good idea to rotate work among 3-4 core people so that one person doesnt get strained all the time. c. There is probably no need to get authentication from Gurudham for points (b) & © raised above. These will be info coming from Sadhaks to new Sadhaks! d. I don't know about point (d). I got this idea by visiting the Mantra website wherein they have a seperate page for each deity. However, it might not be applicable in our context, because we have hundreds of Sadhanas for each deity. We have much,much more information, and Sadhana practice for each Sadhak is different. I wud like ideas from people about it. How to achieve it? Ashishji, I don't consider u insane at all!! Coming of Gurudev in your dream might signify that we have His Divine blessings for this task, and we just need to organise and perform this task. Sad Gurudev bhagwan ki Jay In fact, I will like to thank Ashishji for starting our thoughts towards something productive, and appreciate his ideas very much. To Bishnuji from Nepal : Please do not worry about negative comments from someone. It is a parivar, a family - "International Siddhashram Sadhak Parivar". In a family, people think and act in various ways. Please do not get putoff by negative comments. Probably the person making negative comments never realised that he was making negative comments. Let it all go. Let us concentrate on positive aspects. Your intentions were pure and helpful. Thanks a lot, waiting for more discussions and ideas. Jai Gurudev , zm1603@h... wrote: > -Dear Ashish > Jai Gurudev > > > > > > > I am no exception. As soon as we get a clear idea about what > > actually are we going to do, I'll talk first to Shrivastavji and > > then to Guruji. > > > > I do sincerely appreciate your attempts, and > I wish you good luck. The least we can do is not try to throw cold > water on on the enthusiasm anfd efforts of others. > > > > > I didn't really mean that. I was just joking. I think, after > > a good round of serious discussion, a touch of humour is always > > a great idea. > > Yes, yes I know that. But in a communication what you mean to say is > not necssarrily what the other party understands. The other party > often understands what it wants to understand. > > > > Looking forward towards more responses. > > > > Take care, > > > > Ashish Marathe > > > Good wishes, and you too take care > Jai Gurudev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2001 Report Share Posted April 2, 2001 -Jai Gurudev Aum Shanti, Shanti Shantihi..! As peace prevails, it is time to disturb it. a. create FAQ containing answers to common problems faced by newcomers. I have some comments to make on this issue which may or may not be appreciated by all. In the previous few days, there have been discussions on things like when a person should sleep, whether or not he should eat onions, and whether or not he should shave etc. Everyone true to their own souls and well meaning nature have tried to give answers which are the best answers according to their own chetna. But are they correct for the the person receiving them?? I would start by asking your opinion on a hypothetical situation. Consider the case of a young bahu wanting to perform sadhna married into a joint family in which everyone eats non-veg, and her husband does not give a damn to such things. She may be able to still manage a vegetarian meal, but what about jati dosh? she has to eat in the same kitchen in which non-veg is being cooked. And how is she going to convince her husband on celibacy?? So what is the opinion of my learned friends? Should she give up the path of sadhna as it is too tough for her, or should she try to do as much and when she can. I am sure even the most uninspired of us know the right answer without having to discuss it. Let me go on, and try to quote a story which I read in complete works of Swami Vivekanda where he is elaborating the path of Karma yoga. Of course, I even in my dreams cannot match his oratory style. but i will attempt to give the content. It is said that a young yogi by doing sadhnas and offering penances achieved some miraculous powers without realizing them. One day as he sat meditating under a tree, there was a pair of birds-- a baaj and a bater fighting on top of the tree and a feather accidentally fell and landed on top of the yogi's head. Enraged, he looked up in anger. Just then there was a flash of lightening from his eyes, and the pair of birds fell on the ground burnt this yogi's gaze. So this yogi felt a little conceit and went on for his daily begging for his meal as is the rule of a sanyasi life. He went and stood outside the door of an old woman and said " bhikshandehi mata...". The woman paid no heed to his call. Now, our yogi got angry and thought, I am such a powerful yogi, how dare this chit of a woman make me wait. The woman read his thoughts and out aloud. "Wait son, there is no baaj or bater here that will burn with your gaze". The yogi was taken aback, and touched the feet of the woman when she came out, and asked her what penances had she done to acquire these powers. The woman answered that she had done nothing, she was serving her husband who was ill, and by doing her duty she had become enlightened. Ad if this yogi was really seeking brahma gyaan he should go to such and such place to such and such butcher who would answer his questions. The yogi then proceeded to this village and met the butcher who told him that even though he was engaged in a heinous occupation, by doing his duty properly, he had become enlightened and from their conversation sprang what is known as the vyadh gita. Not being able to follow certain rules due to circumstances is different from not wanting to follow certain rules due to laziness, and lack of faith etc. And we should refrain from trying to over generalize things. One man's sugar may be another man's poison. Communication to God, or one's Guru is always an individual matter. And this is the first thing a new sadhak should understand. In our enthusiasm to help new sadhaks, let us not overdo this answering questions or asking questions business. Doing good deeds and thinking good thoughts and wishing people around us well are at least as important as the rules of sadhna. d. seperate page/section for various deities, mahavidyas, sadhana_purpose (wealth,fame etc) Yes, Arvind I agree that the sadhnas Guruji has given are very vast. That is why i suggested this. What i meant to say was that different people are coming to Guruji with different aims. Some only want relief from immediate troubles, and want brief sadhnas and diksha. Others may be willing to do more, and may be more interested in detailed procedures. Still others may have inclination for a particular deity, and may want to know sadhnas pertaining to that particular deity. So may be we can have two categories one for a list of various problems and related sadhnas ( a few select ones which Guruji or Shrivastav uncle can help select), and two for various deities and a list of some small prayogs, and detailed anusthans. But you are much more experienced than me and would know what to do, and best. Sorry if i hurt anyone. Good wishes, good luck and Jai Gurudev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2001 Report Share Posted April 2, 2001 Thanks for the input. Yes, the peace sud be disturbed!! If water just stays lying in a pond with no movement, then it will become stale and impure. u r right. sometimes pujya Gurudev grants a concession in Sadhana rules to deserving Sadhaks. Or Gurudev may recommend some other sadhana practice according to disciple. And only Gurudev can advice about that. eg. once Gurudev modified and changed mantra for a sadhak who cudnt pronounce the original mantra words due to a speech disability. So, one sud always meet pujya Gurudev and discuss with Him. There is absolutely NO alternative to this. FAQ exists just as a basic guideline. Everyone has his/her own special channel of communication and relationship with Gurudev. It is natural that everyone will think from a different perspective. Everyone will have some good ideas. Let us build up on these good ideas and inplement them. I think that the current "Sadhana Section" i.e. www.siddhashram.org/sadhna.shtml already serves this purpose. We can brainstorm about ways of improving this content, and present the proposed improvements to Gurudham and Gurudev. There are too many Sadhanas and prayogs and I fear that just two categories themselves might not suffice. Moroever different people have to perform different Sadhanas to achieve same purpose (eg. gaining wealth, beauty etc.). And only Pujya Gurudev can advice disciple for the appropriate sadhana to solve particular problem. This cud just be a basic guideline to a newcomer that solutions to his/her problems exist. Let us place your ideas on table and discuss it. So, in a nutshell, u r proposing following- Split into two categories. One for solving problems thru small prayogs/sadhanas & another for various deities. The list of problems cud be - a. gaining wealth b. struck up in court case c. cure illness (various) d. riddance from fear e. attract someone f. promotion in job g. want to get a job h. marital harmony i. ensure child doesn't fall into bad company j. gaining intelligence k. passing an exam l. victory over enemies m. bad combination in horoscope n. to get married o. riddance from black magic p. build a house q. be free from debts r. gain fame s. success in business ..... I went thru the website, and found that Sadhanas for most of above are already available. And , as it is a continuously evolving page, so chances are that many other Sadhanas will be added in future. Anyway website contains Sadhanas only from last 1-2 years. Gurudham might be in process of adding other old Sadhanas on the webpage. Jai Gurudev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2001 Report Share Posted April 2, 2001 Dear Ashishji Jya Guru Dev I have been going through your email messgaes and got interested in your discussions. Sat Gurdev always said I ant Sava Sher disciples. He did not want his shishyas to become mere averages. First thing is The Intention! Judging from your past couple of emails I take it for granted that your intention is right and attitute is postitve. I agree you should not go to Pujya Guru Dev with half baked cake or incomplete recipe. You are right, Pujya Guru Dev has very littlle time to go through all the details. Please make a presentable format and ask for permission. And let us trust our Pujya Guru Dev... Once you send it for approval... He does NOT need to go through to know the details He will know and approve it if your project is right. Please do not seek many suggestions. Not all sadhaks have this positive attitute and creative idea. I think your project will go through and wish it will bare fruits so that all the Sadaks can enjoy it..... Good Luck... Bishnu from Nepal Let me give you an example, once there was a request on the list from a Guru bhai seeking old issues of MTYV, seeing this request from Singapore (Iwa late proved wrong he was from Allahabad or Ahmdabad) I offered to send some spare issues of old MTYV. You know what, the next day one Guru Bhai commented on this saying ... You guys are wasting your time bla bla..... I wa svery disheartened by the negative comment he made on my true feeling towards a Guru Bhai from far away from his home country.. I was trying to help thinking he was from out side India.. - <nikhilashish <> Sunday, April 01, 2001 3:55 PM Re: IMPORTANT - Online Magazine > JAI GURUDEV > Dear Arvind & Anurag, > > Thanks for responding and sincerely helping me. Your thoughts > have strengthened my thoughts. This is a long mail. Please, read > it carefully and completely. > > > Anurag ji is right. We sud ask and take Revered Gurudev's > > permission before starting anything like this. > > I would never forget seeking Guruji's permission. I have already > initiated the process. But, wouldn't it be better to carefully > plan everything before presenting the project to Guruji. I am > sure, his first question would be what this site would contain > and how am I going to manage it? Now, you might consider me > insane, but last week Guruji came in my dream and inspired me > to do it. > > > most of the information on this group is spread across randomly, > > and one has to wade thru lots of useless mails and spend time > > and effort to get real info. > > The problem is that splitting the questions categorywise (info on > > articles, yr experiences etc.) might not solve the problem, as most > > of the query/answers are in multiple category. It cant be done > > automatically, someone will have to rearrange and format the stuff > > by hand. > > The prolem with free hosting is that they are very slow and give > > random advertisement banners. > > I have done my homework. I would be using ASP+, XML and an Access > database. The information, when stored in XML files or databases, can > be easily and automatically categorized, sorted, searched and > prioritized using ASP. No manual processing would be required and > I'll take care of all the technical stuff. > > I agree that free hosting is slow but siddhashram.org itself was on a > free > server for about two years. Visit brinkster.com. They offer 30 megs > for > free with ASP and Access database support and no forced banners. > > > Technically, we can implement this by -having a special section on > > our website www.siddhashram.org called as "Voice of Sadhaks". This > > cud have various categories like "tips from sadhaks", "how i > > managed to succeed in sadhanas", "experiences with Tantrokt > > nariyal", "what is ? (ang nyas etc.)". Each of these individual > > category page cud have a text entry form with an upload > > button.Anyone sud be able to upload data on this. might require > > bit of cgi-bin/java. Once a week, someone sud physically scan > > these categories and remove the unnecessary/junk stuff. We cud > > call for volunteers, and assign duties on a rotation system so > > that no one suffer with excess workload. > > we can use the siddhashram.org space for this. > > Siddhashram.org is hosted by easyspace.com on a virtual server with > limited space and bandwidth. It is already a huge site, something > difficult to manage. Creating new sections would increase space, > bandwidth and management requirements and ultimately, make thing > costlier. As a professional, I would never recommend allowing > anyone to upload. This can only cause disaster and weekly, or even > daily, junk removals just won't work. This is not a good idea from > security point of view also. > > The people, who manage siddhashram.org, are also responsible for > publishing MTYV, handling subscriptions, dispatching sadhana > articles, planning shivirs and many other works. Would it be > reasonable to ask them to work more while we can help them > by helping ourselves? > > > I also want some technical comments on how to add video/audio > > to web. Sud we go for mp3 or ra format? sud our website contain > > Gurudev's pravachans? can we suggest for putting video of some > > sections of past shivirs vide-cassettes on website. > > Siddhashram.org already has audio. A 30 minute video, in smallest > possible size, would be of around 100 megs. Need I say more? > > > b. If we make a new website who will be responsible for moderating > > this. i.e. any new sadhak will be guided by the tips&tricks etc. i > > dont think that anyone from this group has the qualification for > > providing autentic answers to any queries. we just provide > > suggestions from our own expereinces. AND A LITTLE KNOWLEDGE IS A > > VERY DANGEROUS THING. Bear in mind that most of te new sadhaks > > have a genuine, life threatening problem, and only Gurudev can > > provide them solution and advice. Not us! > > As you said earlier, every newcomer is curious and needs help and > assurance before diving into the sadhana ocean. They need answers > on smaller and common issues like how to hold the rosary, how to > sit, what to eat, when to rise etc. I intend to answer these smaller > questions. I intend to provide help and assurance to boost their > confidence in Guruji. I DO NOT INTEND TO BECOME A GURUDEV > MYSELF. > > > c. I am of the view that any operation like this sud be run from > > our website www.siddhasram.org This website and Mantra Tantra > > Yantra Vigyan magazine are provided by Gurudev for us disciples > > & sadhaks. We sud not bring forth multiple websites. That will > > dilute the effort and confuse the new people. it migt become > > counterproductive! > > Guruji always says, we must spread the ancient indian knowledge as > far as possible.We must make the world understand that Indian > sadhanas are based on science not superstition. It is every > disciple's primary duty. I am not suggesting any parallel operation > or any such thing, I am just trying to do what my Guruji told me to > do. Instead of putting extra burden on people who are already > overloaded with work, I am searching cost effective alternatives. > One years ago, when I met Shrivastava ji and suggested a few > enhancements, he said, "Why are you telling me all this? If you know > all this, why don't you do it yourself. Aren't you a part of > Siddhashram Sadhak Parivaar?" He asked me to relocate to Delhi. I > was unable to do that. Then I saught his permission to create a > website for the Durg branch of SSP and immediately got it. > Unfortunately, that idea didn't click. > > > Ashishji, you have mntioned - "It would contain articles, > > sadhanas, tips & tricks, experiences, stories and other stuff > > related to Guruji and various sadhanas." > > Let me rephrase that for you. It would contain article by sadhaks > on their sadhana experiences, tips on daily sadhanas and pujans, > tricks for improving ourselves and stories related to their meeting > with Guruji, shivirs, sadhaks etc. > > > Letus concentrate our efforts on the improvements to our current > > website www.siddhashram.org to add all these. These things are > > already present on our website. How to improve the current content > > & presentability. > > The people, who are working on siddhashram.org, are doing an > excellent job and I am sure they'll continue it. What are we doing > for our Guruji? Let's join hands and work togather to help them and > fulfill our Guruji's dream. > > Let me make it clear once more. I am not going to create anything > parallel or counterproductive. My aim is spread my Guruji's knowledge > and promote SSP. I won't rid myself of my responsibilies by giving > only suggestions. I am going to act for it. > > > Let us think and put in some constructive effort. > > Are you trying to say that my idea is destructive? Don't panic, it' a > joke > > Have a nice day... > > Ashish Marathe > > > > > Jay Gurudev > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2001 Report Share Posted April 2, 2001 --Jai Gurudev Dear Arvind, First of all, thank you for taking my rather pecky mail in good spirits. I only put across what came to my mind. Needless to say, comments and improvization from others is a must. Other sadhaks may have many better ideas. I am sure Ashish who initiated the idea also has more than a rough sketch in mind. Therefore, I too would request other Gurubhais to come forward with their points of view. Good wishes, and Jai Gurudev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2001 Report Share Posted April 3, 2001 Jai Gurudev Dear Gurubhais, I would also like to comment on the issue of new web site. I have read through all the suggestion and comments of other gurubhais and of little bit different view. I do agree that the current site really lack of good searching capabilities. But i think we can very well work on that issue to improve the situation. I am not aware who is actually handing the site at Jodhpur. Isn't it will be good idea to strengthen the original web site. I am not against the idea but i think we should strengthen the original web site only. If we create a new web site today, tommorrow some other Sadhak will come and want to offer much better. So there is no end. Regarding the slowness of our existing website, we can very well mirror the site with some good ISPs or any good alternative can be think of. I don't think it good to spilit the unity of Sadhak Parivar. I always prefer change but the new should not be override old. Anyway that my point of view. Its all depend on Gurudev's permission. Jai Gurudev Charanjit , zm1603@h... wrote: > --Jai Gurudev > Dear Arvind, > First of all, thank you for taking my rather pecky mail in good > spirits. I only put across what came to my mind. Needless to say, > comments and improvization from others is a must. Other sadhaks may > have many better ideas. I am sure Ashish who initiated the idea also > has more than a rough sketch in mind. > Therefore, I too would request other Gurubhais to come forward with > their points of view. > Good wishes, and Jai Gurudev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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