Guest guest Posted June 30, 2001 Report Share Posted June 30, 2001 Jai Gurudev, This is again about the Hindi website. I am NOT entirely against the cocept of developing a hindi website which contains some articles, which introduces the "new persons" to our Gurudev & Siddhashram, and prompt the "new persons" to go and buy magazine, books etc. I also agree that having a hindi site will increase the reach to those people who want to look at hindi websites and are more comfortable with reading Hindi. However, and HOWEVER, IT IS HIGLY IMPERATIVE THAT IN THIS ENTU AND ZEAL TO DO GURU-SEWA, WE DON'T COMMIT BIG MISTAKES. For example, putting up some reviews about the books is fine. However typing or scanning up the entire CONTENT FROM BOOKS/MAGAZINES is NOT CORRECT. It is against copy right laws. Secondly, if u place the entire books & magazine online (by typing/scanning ), won't it be equivalent to piracy! We should NOT FORGET that a major portion of revenue generated from books & magazine goes towards charitable causes in running hospitals, schools etc. Do we want to STOP this good work? Moroever, the price of magazine and books is kept intentionally low. The price of 1 monthly issue of magazine is far less than prce of 1 liter of petrol, or 1 liter of milk. Thinking in economic sense, only high volumes can justify such a low price. Do we want to destroy this high volume. u know how people are like. They want everything for free. If they get everything on web, why will they buy magazine? And, if people dont buy magazine, then how will we propagate Gurudev's message and info to the vast majority of people who still are unblissfully unaware of this? Of course, I myself know of many, many incidents in Gurudham, when Gurudev granted Diksha without taking money in deserving cases. Concept of Money is there only so that people realise its worth. If u pay some hundred ruppees to get something, then u will be sincere towards it, and will chant mantras regularly, because u have "invested" money in it. Don't get me wrong. I am NOT against putting up introductory stuff, reviews about books etc. , personal experiences, info on astrology, palmistry or graphology etc. in hindi. I am all for putting such things. BUT I AM ABSOLUTELY AGAINST SCANNING ENTIRE BOOK OR MAGAZINE ARTICLES JUST TO PUT ON WEBSITE. it is simply NOT done. The Diksha article written on website looks more like a repetition of the "Diksha Sanskar" book. That is NOT right. Use some extracts from books/magazine ONLY after taking Gurudev's permission and after putting credit/source info along with the extract. BUT ARTICLE SUD BE ORIGINAL. We used to face this problem while organising shivirs in Delhi, when we used to have to have pamphlets. We always took Gurudev's permission to take some extracts from magazine (say about Samratabhishek Diksha), before making a pamphlet. And we always used to show it to Him and get His approval & blessings before starting to distribute it. Gurudev always gave us permission to use extracts. But this does not mean that it is a "carte-blance" permission . U need to take permission before any task. That is Shishya bhawana, that is shishyatatva. Disciple can think of thousands of ideas, but before starting to implement it, He sud always take Gurudev's advice and permission. People who live far off from Gurudham, say in Mumbai/Nagpur/Puri etc., always send a copy of pamphlets and full shivir plan to Gurudev before starting any work for shivir. Bishnuji of Nepal wud be aware of this, and can confirm it. IT IS ABSOLUTELY WRONG AND UNETHICAL AND AGAINST DISCIPLEHOOD TO PIRATE MATERIAL FROM BOOK & MAGAZINE AND JUST PUT IT ON A WEBSITE. GURUDHAM HAS A WEBSITE OF ITS OWN, WHICH IS ITS OFFICIAL SITE. THEY CAN PUT IT ON OFFICIAL SITE, IF THEY WANT, WHICH IS LEGAL. If they want, they can put extracts of magazine/books etc. IF U WANT A HINDI SECTION ON THAT, U SUD RECOMMENTDIT TO GURUDHAM, and ask them to put up extracts of books etc. IT IS VERY TEMPTING TO JUST START A SCANNER, AND SCAN THE BOOK OR MAGAZINE. ON ANY GOOD SCANNER AND PC, THIS WILL TAKE ONLY 1-2 HOURS TO SCAN COMPLETE MAGAZINE. BUT IS IT RIGHT THING TO DO? ISNT IT EQUIVALENT TO STEALING FROM MAGAZINE?? DO GURUDEV'S DISCIPLES WANT TO BE KNOWN AS STEALERS OR PIRATES OF MATERIAL? WHAT WILL HAPPEN TOMORROW IF PUSTAK MAHAL OR ANY OTHER PUBLISHING HOUSE STARTS LEGAL PROCEEDINGS AGAINST GURUDHAM FOR COPYRIGHT VIOLATION? WILL IT BE A GOOD THING? Gurudev has written more than five hundred books. Most of them have been published by independent publishing houses. They retain the copyright even if the books are out of stock. The S-Series books from Gurudham started getting published only some years before. Now, some of the S-series books include material in same area , which already has been published by independent publishers. So, obviously , Gurudev had to very carefully write new material so that initial copyright doesnt get violated. An example is the "Secrets of Hypnotism" published by S-Series and "Practical Hypnotism" published by Pustak Mahal. Can we be so careful? I doubt it. Moroever, for some books, Pustak mahal etc. have given rights only to Gurudham to take extracts and publish in S-Series. SCANNING AND PUTTING ON WEBSITE IS VIOLATION OF THAT COPYRIGHT. So, sudnt we write original articles for brinkster site. Let Gurudham worry about putting extracts from magazine and books , and let it be published only on their official website www.siddhashram.org Copyright violation is a major issue, and don't forget the web medium is an international medium. If somone starts leading proceedings in , say USA, it will be tried in USA court only, and legal costs themselves will run into Thousands and Thousands of dollars. Please BE VERY CAREFUL. IT IS NOT CHILD'S PLAY. Thousands of dot-coms have gone bust from trademark & patent court rulings. The culture in West is a blame culture, and they always demand monetary compensation running into millions of dollars. PLEASE DO NOT CREATE PROBLEMS, OR BE INSTRUMENTAL IN CREATING ONE. PLEASE THINK CAREFULLY and RESPONSIBLY. As it is, I am a bit wary of the brinkster stire, because it is something which doesnt have full blessings or permission of Gurudev. At least not yet. Just taking permission from Shrivastav uncle is NOT enough. We need to take permission from Gurudev. If someone sitting in , say Puri or Nepal can show all their documents and prachaar material and shivir plan to Gurudev and obtain permission, then why cant we at least take permission for this. I spoke to Gurudham to take permission. But since I am not the controller of web content (Ashishji is),at least not yet, I am NOT in a position to give any guarantee of content to Gurudev. Forgive me if it is a long mail, but this issue is a very serious issue. Ashishji, please take down this article about Diksha. I commend the sincerity of person who spent so much effort in writing it. But this article needs to be changed, and made into somethig more original. Plus u need to mention and give credits to the books, from which u have lifted the material. As Gurudev has said in many magazines - Perform Sewa, but peform only that Sewa which is required. There is no point in offering sweets and "burfi" to Gurudev if He has diabetes. Don't just blindly start doing wic feels right. Exercise some judgement. Sewa is not easy. Sewadharma Ati Kathoredharma. One needs to be very careful & responsible. If u are so inclined to perform Sewa, then why dont u translate hindi books into English and submit it to Gurudev. That will be a propoer Sewa. And many non-Hindi Sadhaks in India and abroad will benfit from that. For example, non-hindi speakers today cant taste the divine elixier of Guru-Gita or Nikhil Stavan today. Or write some original articles and submit it to Gurudham for publishing in magazine. I am TOTALLY AGAINST SCANNING/TYPING OF BOOK/MAGAZINE CONTENT WITHOUT GURUDEV'S PERMISSION. And I doubt if it is a right thing to ask Gurudev's permission to scan book and put it on website. Isnt it similar to asking Gurudev for His clothes or pen so that we can use it! Oh God, it is blasphemy! We sud be working towards spreading Gurudev's message. We sud work towards making more members of Magazine. We SUDNT DO ANYTHING WHICH IS AGAINST THIS. Ashishji, please take down this Diksha article. Let us modify it and review it. Let us NOT expose Gurudham against possible IPR/Copyright infringement on the eve of Guru Poornnima ! Jai Gurudev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2001 Report Share Posted June 30, 2001 Jai Gurudev Dear brothers, I m fully agree with Arvindji that we should not copy like this and should not scan any material which can cause problems. I think at this moment we should only concentrate for anything new which is not details/procedure of any sadhna or any article already published in the MTYV. But I m against closing down the hindi site. Let it run but with originality and with Guruji's blessings. We may request Guruji to permit us to atleast publish the Guruji Pravachan on Hindi Site. And we may also right our own experience or we may even think of translating the articles of Sadhak site in Hindi. Jai Gurudev Charanjit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2001 Report Share Posted June 30, 2001 , "C Kumar" <ckumar99> wrote: > Jai Gurudev > Dear brothers, > > I m fully agree with Arvindji that we should not copy like this and > should not scan any material which can cause problems. I think at > this moment we should only concentrate for anything new which is not > details/procedure of any sadhna or any article already published in > the MTYV. > > But I m against closing down the hindi site. Let it run but with > originality and with Guruji's blessings. > > We may request Guruji to permit us to atleast publish the Guruji > Pravachan on Hindi Site. And we may also right our own experience or > we may even think of translating the articles of Sadhak site in Hindi. > > Jai Gurudev > Charanjit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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