My conversation with Guruji

August 4, 2001

WE HAVE LOT OF PROOF ABOUT RUNNING THE ASHRAM IN THE UK. SADGURDEV SWAMI DR

NARAYAN DUTT SHRIMALI WHEN HE IS IN PHYSICAL BODY, IN THAT TIME IN 1993,

GURUJI GAVE SADHANA ARTICLES TO RAJESHJI PARMAR, THROUGH THAT SADHANA

ARTICLES, SPREAD SADGURUDEVS KNOWLEDGE AND HIS MANTRA TANTRA KNOWLEDGE IN UK

AND ALSO OTHER COUNTRIES.

AFTER GURUDEV LEFT THE BODY, MR RAJESHJI PARMAR ORGANISED SHIBIR IN UK IN

THAT TIME HE HAD VERY GOOD EXPERIENCE WITH MR NAND KISHORE SHRIMALI. THE

LOT OF DEVOTEES TAKE DIKSHA FROM HIM AND WE HAVE PROOF WITH THAT PERSON THAT

NAND KISHORE TOOK ALOT OF MONEY FROM THEM AND THAT MONEY IS USED IN FAMILY

CLOTHES AND FOOD, ALCOHAL. I DONT WANT TO DISCUSS ABOUT THIS BUT YOU ALL

HAVE MADE ME DISCUSS IT AND ALSO MY FRIENDS, AFTER GURUDEV LEFT, THERE IS

LOT OF GURUS IN INDIA WHO IS DEVOTEED WITH GURUJIS.

CAN YOU SOLVE THAT PROBLEM IN INDIA FIRST? RAJESHJI DOES NOT NEED ANY

PERMISSION FROM ANYONE BECAUSE WE BELIEVE HE HAS SADGURUDEV

SWAMINIKHILESHWARANDJI SUPPORT.

AFTER SADGURUDEV LEFT, HIS AIM IS TO MAKE SADGURUDEVS ASHRAM IN ALL OVER THE

WORLD, NOT ONLY IN INDIA. TAHT IS HIS AIM AND FOR THAT AIM, THERE IS NO NEED

FOR ANYBODYS PERMISSION. HE DOES NOT ASK FOR ANY MONEY FROM ANYBODY OR YOUR

TRIMURTIS AND ALSO YOUR CLUB MEMBERS.

TRIMURTIS AIM IS TO MAKE MONEY AND MAKE JALSA. RAJESH PARMARS AIM IS TO WORK

HARD MAKE MONEY AND OPEN GURUJIS ASHRAM. HA HA HA

ALSO I GIVE OTHER NEWS, WONDER WHAT..... WHAT IS GOING TO OPEN, ONE ASHRAM

IN INDIA AS WELL. DO YOU THINK YOU PEOPLE DONT WANT TO SPREAD SADGURUDEV

SWAMINIKHILESHWARANDJIS KNOWLEDGE????

I DONT WANT TO SPREAD TRIMURTIS KNOWLEDGE BECAUSE THERE IS NO KNOWLEDGE.

OK BYE JAI GURUDEV

ANYWAY WHO ARE YOU TO ASK? AND WE DONT WANT TO DISCUSS ABOUT YOUR CHAPLUSI.

>"Ashish Marathe" <nikhilashish

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> My conversation with Guruji

>Fri, 3 Aug 2001 00:20:54 +0530

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>Hi all...

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>Today, I called Jodhpur and talked to Nand Kishore Guruji about Mr.

>Rajesh Parmar and his website. He told me that he or Bade Guruji (Dr.

>Narayan Dutt Shrimali) HAS NOT permitted him to open his centre,

>publish any magazine, start website with contents from MTYV /

>Siddhashram.Org and, most importantly, to grant Diksha.He is not in

>contact with Gurudham either. If he is doing any or all of above

>mentioned works, he is betraying Bade Guruji Dr. Narayan Dutt

>Shrimali and Guru Trimurty. Any true disciple of Dr. narayan Dutt

>Shrimali MUST NOT, in any condition, follow him.

>

>He also told me to proceed with caution since that person would get

>undue publicity. At least, he has made us all to visit his website.

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>Have a great day.

>

>Sincerely,

>

>Ashish Marathe

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August 4, 2001

Hey, guess what, we finally got to see the reality about you and your

Rajesh Bhaiyya. So, your claim is that only you and your bhaiyya are

true disciples of Bade Guruji and we all are senseless chaploos.

Okay, let's see what we've got here.

> IN THAT TIME IN 1993, GURUJI GAVE SADHANA ARTICLES TO RAJESHJI

> PARMAR, THROUGH THAT SADHANA ARTICLES, SPREAD SADGURUDEVS KNOWLEDGE

> AND HIS MANTRA TANTRA KNOWLEDGE IN UK AND ALSO OTHER COUNTRIES.

Whatever I am going to write was recorded live and is available in

VHS format if you dare to watch.

In 1993, during the Navratree shivir, Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali told

Sadhaks that he, alone, can no longer take care of everything so he

will devide himself (his spiritual powers) into three. Then, he

performed the self-division and placed his energy in Trimurty

Gurudevs and said, "Now, it's me in them. Follow them as you have

followed me, obey them as you have obeyed me. THIS IS MY ORDER TO ALL

WHO CONSIDER ME THEIR GURU."

That was a direct order and no one, who is a real disciple, will

never disobey it. If you don't believe me (I know, you wouldn't),

simply go ahead and get the video. Then, get the best video

technitian available in the world and make sure that the person who

looks and sounds like Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali is actually him, not

a digital decoy. Also, make sure that the video was not tampered in

any way. Once you are satisfied, answer the following question:

If you consider yourself a disciple of Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali,

won't you believe him? Won't you listen what he is saying? Would you

deny a direct command?

Kajal, I don't know you and you don't know me. I don't even know your

Rajesh Bhaiyya. I didn't ask you to join this group then, even if I

have some vested interests, why would I attack what you are so

desparate about? I can't really harm anyone's reputation here, in a

public forum since reputation can't be built on such forums. No one

is going to believe me because I attacked you and no one is going to

believe you simply because you attacked me. If it were possible, I

would have got Pakistan declared a terrorist nation years ago! Let's

earn the trust the better way; let's hunt for facts not just mere

emotions. Dare to take the challenge.

> THAT TIME HE HAD VERY GOOD EXPERIENCE WITH MR NAND KISHORE

> SHRIMALI. THE LOT OF DEVOTEES TAKE DIKSHA FROM HIM AND WE HAVE

> PROOF WITH THAT PERSON THAT NAND KISHORE TOOK ALOT OF MONEY FROM

> THEM AND THAT MONEY IS USED IN FAMILY CLOTHES AND FOOD, ALCOHAL. I

> DONT WANT TO DISCUSS ABOUT THIS BUT YOU ALL HAVE MADE ME DISCUSS

> IT

But, you did it just a day ago. Yesterday, you were trying to

legalize Mr. Parmar's works by telling us that Mr. Arvind Shrimali,

younger brother of Mr. Nand Kishore Shrimali, stays at Mr. Parmar's

place. Haven't you? So, here's the picture. According to you Mr. Nand

Kishore Shrimali is a real life villain. Mr. Arvind Shrimali, being

his brother and partner in everything would also be like him, a bad

guy. And then, your Mr. Parmar, the incarnation of God himself, is

proud to have Mr. Arvind Shrimali as his guest at his own home!!!

Or, are you saying that Mr. Arvind Shrimali is a good guy and

follwing his eldest brother even after knowing that he is a bad guy.

> TRIMURTIS AIM IS TO MAKE MONEY AND MAKE JALSA.

Okay, so you are saying that Mr. Nand Kishore Shrimali, Mr. Kailash

Chandra Shrimali and Mr. Arvind Shrimali are all bad guys; and, of

course, the person who gave them their current place is even worse.

Great, Kajal. You really are very smart. I happen to know the bigger

bad guy. He is the man who made me, my Guruji, Dr. Narayan Dutt

Shrimali and I am pround being his and trimurty gurudev's disciple.

Now, let peep into the intentions of Mr. Rajesh Parmar, the god

himself. When you first posted on this group, some of the members

from London spoke against him. With no delay, he called them and

started threatening them. If he is a good guy and believes Trimurti

Gurudevs are bad, then why did he steal contents from their website

for his own. He didn't even bother to check what he is posting. On

the website, he accepts the trimurty gurudevs as his Gurus and one of

his close followers, you, condemn them on this group!!! He and you

claim to be disciples of Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali, but deny his

direct order!!??

> RAJESH PARMARS AIM IS TO WORK HARD MAKE MONEY AND OPEN GURUJIS

> ASHRAM. HA HA HA

And what's that?? Fooling innocent perople?

> I DONT WANT TO SPREAD TRIMURTIS KNOWLEDGE BECAUSE THERE IS

> NO KNOWLEDGE.

Then why have you mentioned them with respect on your website? Let me

guess, to prove your work as authorized, right?

> WE DONT WANT TO DISCUSS ABOUT YOUR CHAPLUSI.

I don't want to discuss yours as well. I don't even need to prove you

and that Rajesh Parmar crooks since you have done it yourself.

Ashish Marathe

August 4, 2001

Jai Gurudev!

Dear Gurubhaiyas!

I am at a loss to understand why this confusion is

getting created over somebody claiming to grant diksha

and opening of ashram at London etc. etc. and hurling

abuses at each other and bringing in Gurudham,

Tinmurthis, Bade Gurudev etc. etc.

If one is a real disciple of Pujya Gurudev Dr.Narayan

Dutt Shrimali and has HIS BLESSINGS, nobody on earth

could stop such a person from getting fame and name

and he will definitely spread the true message of

Pujya Gurudev in rightful manner. For this purpose no

publicity is needed and no bickerings or quarrels are

necessary.

I am remembered of one incident that took place in

Hyderabad when Pujya Gurudev was present for Guru

Poornima celebrations. Myself and few members were

regulating the crowd in a queue to have the darshan of

Pujya Gurudev. One gentleman from Mumbai who was

standing in the queue started murmuring and abused the

system of following queue to regulate the crowd as he

was restless in standing in the queue. Also he

started abusing us as well as Pujya Gurudev and his

staff. Some of our members also started retaliating

at him. Immediately on knowing the commotion, Shri

Anil Kumar Joshi who is the organiser at Hyderabad for

Guru Poornima celebrations came to us and requested us

to send that man first to Pujya Gurudev. We obeyed

and sent that gentleman to Pujya Gurudev. The moment

he reached Pujya Gurudev, Pujya Gurudev asked him why

the commotion and asked him what is the matter in a

very very calm and cool way with smiling face. That

gentleman could not stand before Pujya Gurudev and has

fallen at his feet and started crying visibly. It

seems that was the first time he met Pujya Gurudev.

Later on he apologised to everybody assembled there

and to us for his misbehaviour. Pujya Gurudev also

called us and advised that there may be many people in

the world who do not agree with our views or who do

not want to follow us or may be interested only to

tarnish our image and abuse us. Don't bother about

such things. If you are sincere and have faith in me,

follow my advise and act accordingly. Name and fame

will automatically come to you.

Why I am narrating this incident is to stress that

there is no need of getting perturbed over some act

which we think may be against Gurudham or Pujya

Gurudev. The best thing is to neglect such things and

start continuing our good mission for a good purpose.

If any person's activities are approved by Pujya

Gurudev, as I have already told earlier, they cannot

be stopped and we need not worry about such things.

Jai Gurudev!

Sankaran

--- Ashish Marathe <nikhilashish wrote:

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Hey, guess what, we finally got to see the reality

about you and your

Rajesh Bhaiyya. So, your claim is that only you and

your bhaiyya are

true disciples of Bade Guruji and we all are senseless

chaploos.

Okay, let's see what we've got here.

> IN THAT TIME IN 1993, GURUJI GAVE SADHANA

ARTICLES TO RAJESHJI

> PARMAR, THROUGH THAT SADHANA ARTICLES, SPREAD

SADGURUDEVS KNOWLEDGE

> AND HIS MANTRA TANTRA KNOWLEDGE IN UK AND ALSO

OTHER COUNTRIES.

Whatever I am going to write was recorded live and is

available in

VHS format if you dare to watch.

In 1993, during the Navratree shivir, Dr. Narayan Dutt

Shrimali told

Sadhaks that he, alone, can no longer take care of

everything so he

will devide himself (his spiritual powers) into three.

Then, he

performed the self-division and placed his energy in

Trimurty

Gurudevs and said, "Now, it's me in them. Follow

them as you have

followed me, obey them as you have obeyed me. THIS IS

MY ORDER TO ALL

WHO CONSIDER ME THEIR GURU."

That was a direct order and no one, who is a real

disciple, will

never disobey it. If you don't believe me (I know, you

wouldn't),

simply go ahead and get the video. Then, get the best

video

technitian available in the world and make sure that

the person who

looks and sounds like Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali is

actually him, not

a digital decoy. Also, make sure that the video was

not tampered in

any way. Once you are satisfied, answer the following

question:

If you consider yourself a disciple of Dr. Narayan

Dutt Shrimali,

won't you believe him? Won't you listen what he is

saying? Would you

deny a direct command?

Kajal, I don't know you and you don't know me. I don't

even know your

Rajesh Bhaiyya. I didn't ask you to join this group

then, even if I

have some vested interests, why would I attack what

you are so

desparate about? I can't really harm anyone's

reputation here, in a

public forum since reputation can't be built on such

forums. No one

is going to believe me because I attacked you and no

one is going to

believe you simply because you attacked me. If it were

possible, I

would have got Pakistan declared a terrorist nation

years ago! Let's

earn the trust the better way; let's hunt for facts

not just mere

emotions. Dare to take the challenge.

> THAT TIME HE HAD VERY GOOD EXPERIENCE WITH

MR NAND KISHORE

> SHRIMALI. THE LOT OF DEVOTEES TAKE DIKSHA FROM

HIM AND WE HAVE

> PROOF WITH THAT PERSON THAT NAND KISHORE TOOK

ALOT OF MONEY FROM

> THEM AND THAT MONEY IS USED IN FAMILY CLOTHES AND

FOOD, ALCOHAL. I

> DONT WANT TO DISCUSS ABOUT THIS BUT YOU ALL HAVE

MADE ME DISCUSS

> IT

But, you did it just a day ago. Yesterday, you were

trying to

legalize Mr. Parmar's works by telling us that Mr.

Arvind Shrimali,

younger brother of Mr. Nand Kishore Shrimali, stays at

Mr. Parmar's

place. Haven't you? So, here's the picture. According

to you Mr. Nand

Kishore Shrimali is a real life villain. Mr. Arvind

Shrimali, being

his brother and partner in everything would also be

like him, a bad

guy. And then, your Mr. Parmar, the incarnation of God

himself, is

proud to have Mr. Arvind Shrimali as his guest at his

own home!!!

Or, are you saying that Mr. Arvind Shrimali is a good

guy and

follwing his eldest brother even after knowing that he

is a bad guy.

> TRIMURTIS AIM IS TO MAKE MONEY AND MAKE

JALSA.

Okay, so you are saying that Mr. Nand Kishore

Shrimali, Mr. Kailash

Chandra Shrimali and Mr. Arvind Shrimali are all bad

guys; and, of

course, the person who gave them their current place

is even worse.

Great, Kajal. You really are very smart. I happen to

know the bigger

bad guy. He is the man who made me, my Guruji, Dr.

Narayan Dutt

Shrimali and I am pround being his and trimurty

gurudev's disciple.

Now, let peep into the intentions of Mr. Rajesh

Parmar, the god

himself. When you first posted on this group, some of

the members

from London spoke against him. With no delay, he

called them and

started threatening them. If he is a good guy and

believes Trimurti

Gurudevs are bad, then why did he steal contents from

their website

for his own. He didn't even bother to check what he is

posting. On

the website, he accepts the trimurty gurudevs as his

Gurus and one of

his close followers, you, condemn them on this

group!!! He and you

claim to be disciples of Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali,

but deny his

direct order!!??

> RAJESH PARMARS AIM IS TO WORK HARD MAKE MONEY AND

OPEN GURUJIS

> ASHRAM. HA HA HA

And what's that?? Fooling innocent perople?

> I DONT WANT TO SPREAD TRIMURTIS KNOWLEDGE BECAUSE

THERE IS

> NO KNOWLEDGE.

Then why have you mentioned them with respect on your

website? Let me

guess, to prove your work as authorized, right?

> WE DONT WANT TO DISCUSS ABOUT YOUR CHAPLUSI.

I don't want to discuss yours as well. I don't even

need to prove you

and that Rajesh Parmar crooks since you have done it

yourself.

Ashish Marathe

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August 4, 2001

Jai Gurudev.

Sankaranji, his activities have not been approved by pujya Gurudev.

This "ba*" was working as a mechanic in India and came to UK by

marrying some UK girl. He promised pujya Bade Gurudev that he will

put in some efforts to spread Gurudev's message in UK. He did good

work for some years, but since past 2-3 years, devil has entered his

soul. Now it is a commercical business for him. Like a lawyer or

doctor, he charges 2-3 Thousands of pounds from people to solve their

problem. He doesnt want people to do Sadhanas themselves (except in

rare cases) because, he wants to retain his hold over them. Initially

I also thought that he was a good and devoted person, and actually

sent some people who had problems to him. He treated them like a

lawyer wud, and, charged them 4-5 thousand pounds. He never told them

about Gurudev or Mantra Tantra Yantra Vigyan, and basically, went on

charging them money for each "appointment" and to solve their

problem. Today, after a year, and several thousand pounds short, no

progress has happened in resolving these people's problems. So, he is

like any other street side tantrik so prevelant in india.

He basically surfed over this discussion group to take potential

clients and mislead new people. He gives dikshas for hundreds of

pounds, has his own private magazine pirated from Gurudham. He has

had no contact with Gurudham or Pujya Gurudev for past some years. He

is basically fooling people in name of Gurudev to pay for his house &

office (asram) mortgage. He has misbehaved with pujya Gurudevs and

other people of Gurudham. None of his activities have any approval

from Gurudham. He is misusing old photos with Gurudev, and the fact

that he was associated with pujya Gurudev during mini-shivirs in UK

in the past. Myself, Ashishiji and some other people have separately

checked this independently from Gurudham.

Now, that he has started his business, he has no more any use of

Pujya Gurudevs (both Bade Gurudev & Trimurthi Gurudev) and they are

dispensable for him.

The real objective of this neech & paapi guy is to defame our pujya

Gurudev and to generate money & publicity for himself. He has managed

to do both. He and his cronies are trying to provoke us. This paapi

person has also spread many base rumors about pujya Gurudev in UK to

various old and new disciples. As a result, many old shishyas have

got completely cut off from the organisation and have stopped

believing in Gurudev (either Bade Guruji or Trimurti Guruji). There

are people who even forgot about the sad event of 3 rd July, and I

had to remind them about that date. Many people have stopped doing

Sadhanas as a result. He, in fact refers to Bade Gurudev only

as "Nikhil" (notice this fact in any of kajal's mails) ,and very

rarely referes to Gurudev as Dr. Shrimali. Probably, long term plan

to dispense with Bade Guruji's name at a later date, and cook up

stories about his association with Gurudev in Nikhil sanyasi form.

Now, of course, this neech virus has started spreading into this web

forum. He wants to generate publicity for himself and earn money. And

his modus operandi includes defaming Gurudham and Gurudevs. In 99, he

went to Delhi and took 108 Dikshas from pujya Trimurti Gurudevs.

Since last year, he and his cronies are defaming the very Gurudevs

from whom he took Diksha. Today they started the compaign on internet.

Maybe, after a few months, he will start staying that Gurudev Dr.

Narayan Dutt Shrimali was a hoax and cheat. Today he dares not tell

anything against Bade Gurudev because many of his cronies still

regard Bade Gurudev with respect. There are many such people who have

started doing it (defaming Bade Gurudev) in India, Nepal etc.

Barking dogs have started to bark. I once asked Srivastav uncle about

this, and he said that let the barking dogs bark. Let us continue

with our work. After all, pujya Gurudev's shakti is with us, and it

is upto Gurudev to counter such people.

Such type of people are not new. There were lots of such defaming

attempts on Bade Guruji also. Kadambini magazine editor tried to run

a wole series of articles against Bade Gurudev. Many guys tried to

implicate bade Guruji in false income tax cases. A lot of people also

attempted false court cases. Thousands are always eager to stop any

constructive and good work.

There are thousands of Sadus/swamis in India who make money by

misleading people. Thousands of their shisyas even tried to

physically attach pujya Bade Gurudev because making people aware

about the truth damaged their money-source. This "ba*" has similar

plans.

Of course, today, most of those people dare not say anything against

Bade Guruji. Now everyone only hears stories about miracles. Maybe,

because, it is human nature that we never realise the importance of a

Divine being during His life time. Today, when Bade Guruji , is not

physically present, all those "defamers" have also started revering

Him. Maybe it human nature. We want to revere only the dead-people

and not the live people. Even pujya Bade Guruji said this many times

in His discourses that - "You do not realise my significance in my

life time. You will realise it only after my death, and by then it

will be too late."

It is the same history being repeated here. Even during lifetime of

Bade Guruji, a lot of senior disciples like Yogendra Nirmohi started

defaming them and started their own Asram. Today, however , probably,

Nirmohi says good things about Bade Gurudev. This neech guy is also

following the same line.

It is a tragedy, because, pujya Gurudev gave a lot of His own penance

power into these "bad" disciples, and today, they have started

defaming the same source. This "ba*" took Dikshas as late as Dec-99

from pujya Trimurti Gurudevs, and is now defaming the very Gurudevs.

Then why did he take Diksha. Just to misuse it!

Of course, today ,many people dont realise the importance and

significance of Diksha granted by Pujya Bade Gurudev & Pujya Trimurti

Gurudevs. Pujya Trimurti Gurudevs are Divine vibhutis of Siddhashram.

They are providing joy to all the disciples whilest taking all this

poison. More than ten thousand disciples attend the main shivirs like

the recent Guru Poornima shivir. Hundreds of disciples get Divine

experiences of pujya Trimurti Gurudevs every month. I am not, and I

will never be qualified enough to tell about the benevolence and

magnanimity of pujya Gurudevs. How can a useless mortal like me ever

find words to describe the eminence of pujya Trimurti Gurudevs. My

mind is torn between emotions of sheer anger against this "ba*" and

tears about my pujya Gurudevs.

One should never talk about one's association with pujya Gurudev.

That is a private association, and is not something to be bragged or

spoken about. However, to all those, who think that I was never

associated with pujya Bade Gurudev, I will like to state that, with

blessings of pujya Gurudev, I came into His contact in 1987. Attended

my first shivir in Jodhpur in 1988. Was very close to Pujya Bade

Guruji, and have worked with/in Gurudham staff since 1997. The only

reason i gave this history was to tell people that I have been in

close contact with both pujya Bade Guruji and pujya Trimurthi

Gurudevs. And there is no difference between Them. I have myself

witnessed many events when pujya Trimurthi Gurudevs seem to be

thinking, when in fact they have been visiting/protecting disciples

far off. The telephone call from the "saved disciple" confirms the

fact that pujya Trimurti Gurudev physically saved him/her at the

exact time when They seemingly were engrossed in deep thought.

When pujya Nand Guruji were in London in 1999, then this "ba*"

himself received the telephone call from a delhi_based_disciple who

was calling to thank pujya Nand Guruji to thank Him for saving his

life by physically appearing and snatching him from the scene of

accident. And today he defames Them, even after seeing such an event

first-hand.

Guru Gita says the following-

A disciple who cricises his/her Guru after taking diksha from Him,

surely goes to bottom of hell and loses all his/her siddhis. (s)He

suffers in intolerable hell for ever.

Criticising one's Guru is like trying to spitting on moon. The spit

falls straight over one's mouth.

If someone criticises one's Gurudev then a disciple sud cut that

person's tongue (show him reason by talking & explaining to him).

If it is not possible to show him/her correct way, or if convincing

such a person is beyond one'e capacity, then one sud ignore him and

never have any contact with such a satan.

Shankaracharya died at the age of 32 due to treachery of his

disciple. He revitalised the Hindu religion and did work of thousands

in such a short life. Jesus was betrayed by one of his close

disciple. Socrates was betrayed by his own disciple. The list goes on

and on..

A real Guru trusts His disciple completely. Betrayal of such a trust

is the worst sin.

Guru Nanak had appointed Guru Angad as His successor. However, after

his death, hundreds of his disciples became Guru and started their

own sect. If u read the Sikh history these guys tried their utmost

to harm Guru Angad. However, today, nobody remembers those freaks.

The same thing will happen to these freaks. This is a time of

struggle, of sankraman, of revolution. Most of humans cannot exceed

their low-limit of success (Parkinson's law). They just betray their

own Guru, and go for small petty gains. Pujya Bade Gurudev has said a

very good thing about such devils- "It would have been better if such

people had never become disciples, if they had never come to this

path. At least they would have had the satisfaction that they stayed

liar, untrustworthy and back-stabbers whole of their life."

Even Caesar said - "Et tu Brutus". One never expects betrayal from

the persons whom one trusts. A Guru's time is very, very important. A

Guru is on this earth only for a small period of time, and He wishes

to spend all His time in constructive tasks. Such people come in the

way, and actually the entire humanity suffers because of such

persons. Humanity and future generations get deprived of the essence

of knowledge which the Guru wanted to give them.

Following the advice of Birendraji and Anuji, I phoned Kajal

yesterday and tried to explain to her. She has been completely

brainwashed by this "bhaiya" of hers, and he has fed lots of

misinformation to her and other people in UK. She could not talk to

me for a longer time because she had some other engagements. We

promised that we will talk further about this on Monday. However,

now , she has dropped this bombshell. This "ba*" has full control of

her and other people. One cannot talk sense to someone who

intentionally wants to live in fantasay land, who wants to wrap cloth

over her eyes. If someone wants to keep her eyes closed, and say that

there is no sun, then how can one prove existance of sun to

her.Disciples from all over the world have tried to drill sense into

her and the other people.

I guess that probably, the best way to approach this is to ignore

these outbursts of sick souls. We are unnecessarily giving publicity

to these "ba*" by responding. Even Jinnah rose into prominence only

when Gandhiji publicly commented on his speech. He was nobody before

that time.

This guy is pure dirt and dust, and sud be treated as such. I also

wish to move a preposition to ask the moderator of this site to block

the email address of Kajal. I cannot withstand any defamation of my

Gurudevs. My emotions are running very high , and personally

speaking, at this time, if I see this "ba*", I will like to strangle

him for defaming my Guru's name.

pujya Bade Gurudev had always said that He always wanted permanent

and devoted disciples, and not temporary disciples. He always said

that it is useless to plant seasonal plants, because they will die

after the season. Relationship with Gurudev is a relationship of

soul, and is always a long term relationship. pujya Gurudev is not

your solicitor or lawyer or doctor. He is not someone who cures your

problem by taking money. Gurudham is not a business shop or

commercial enterprise. Gurudev never wanted to have a crowd of lakshs

of followers. He and pujya Trimurti Gurudev shun all publicity,

because with publicity, doing constructive work is not possible.

Go somewhere else if u think that u will win a lottery of 1.5 lakh

rupees by paying a few thousands rupees in Diksha. The doors are

closed for such "investors". This is not a place to wash off your old

sins by paying money.

Pujya Bade Gurudev and Pujya Trimurti Gurudev are here to show you a

way to attain material and spiritual upliftment. The Guru pariwar

(family) was staying peacefully in Siddhashram. They didnt need to

leave Siddhashram, the place where even the Gods plead to enter for a

few moments. They came from Siddhashram only out of benevolence to

people of this earth. They will stay here for some years, and then

they will go to some other planet. They are here to revitalise the

Sadhanas, the sciences of Ayurveda, Astrology and other eruditions

which are a gift of our old Rishis. They are here to awaken the 108

chakras of your Kundalini, to uplift you spiritually, to give you

complete totality and fulfilment in material world. Before Guruji,

nobody did not know about the 108 chakras of Kundalini. (i doubt if

this "ba*" will know even the names of these 108 chakras of

kundalini).They are here to show you how u can see your old and

future births, how u can visit other planets. They want to take u to

Siddhashram.

If u want to defame such eminence, then there is no difference

between u and a dog who bites his veterinary-surgeon. After some

years, when pujya Trimurthi Gurudevs and Vandaniya Mataji will go

back to Siddhashram, then all the opportunity will be lost, and it

will be completely useless to hit one's head on stone. We can prolong

Their stay here only be offering Them love , service and devotion.

Defamation, Abuse and Hurdles will only shorten Their stay.

With Lord Rama, His 3 brothers, and vaanar sena was born. A great

Spiritual soul doesnt come alone. Gopis and attendents were born with

Lord Krishna. A Guru who has granted children to millions of barren

women, who has made millions millionaires, who has cured illness of

millions, who has cured millions of their drinking and drug addiction

is not so powerless to have alcoholic and money-greedy children. I am

sorry, pujya Gurudev, for uttering such little words. Please forgive

me.

Duryodhana always considered Krishna to be a magician. Arjun

considered him as God. Both got what they wanted. Today everyone

spits on Duryodhana and Arjun's name is taken whenever Gita is read.

Pujya Gurudev has always said that He will appear in whatever form

you think Him to be. If you think of Him as God, you will be blessed

thus, if you think Him to be protector, you will be protected, and if

you think of Him as an enemy, then He will appear as an enemy to you.

It is always your choice.

Back in early last year, this "ba*" had called me "chaplush"

and "chamcha". I thought that it was actually a compliment on my

association with pujya Bade Gurudev & pujya Trimurthi Gurudevs! Today

he says the same for all of us.

A dog can do nothing but bark. A snake will bite even if u give it

milk daily.

We can propose to block this girl's email id and not to respond to

any such defamation mails. However, then we run the risk of new-

people thinking these lies to be Correct. I strongly propose all old

members on the group to come strongly against this "ba*". Then, after

everyone has had their stay, and we have strongly criticized such

actions, we can block her email id. This is NOT the place to cast

slurs on holy name of pujya Gurudevs. We have to nip it in the bud,

otherwise they might start saying things against pujya MAtaji and

Bade Gurudev tomorrow. We don't have any relationships with such

cheats and mean people, and we utter curse for them with every waking

breath.

Of course, it will unnecessarily crowd the band width. But we need to

take an action against these lies. It is the law of

politics/advertisement that enough lies, uttered multiple times, get

treated as Truth.

We have a duty towards our new members of International Siddhashram

Sadhak Parivar to tell them the truth.

I make no apology about calling this insect as "ba*" and all other

bad names. He deserves sheer hell. May he and all his cronies rot in

burning fires.

How can someone call names to our pujya Gurudev and walk scott free!

Shame on all of us.

We have to take encouragement and guidance from our elder Gurubhai

Nirbhayanandji who singlehandedly countered and neutralised thousands

of so-called-swamis who were trying to physically attack pujya Bade

Guruji.

Jai Gurudev

, gopalan sankaran <gsankaran2001> wrote:

> Jai Gurudev!

August 4, 2001

Hey kajal we didnt invite ya.

u came yourself here. now go back to your bhaiyajee.

i agree with others

yes i am chaplush. and happy. Guruji NandKishorejee and Kailashjee

has come in dream many times. and my health become ok. i will be

chaplush to my three Gurus all my life. U go back to your bhaiyajee

and do whatever you wanna do. dont come here again. we dont want u.

leave us in peace.

BYE

JAI WAHEGURUJEE KI

, "KAJAL SHAH SEHMI" <kajal_om@h...> wrote:

>

> WE HAVE LOT OF PROOF ABOUT RUNNING THE ASHRAM IN THE UK. SADGURDEV

SWAMI DR

> NARAYAN DUTT SHRIMALI WHEN HE IS IN PHYSICAL BODY, IN THAT TIME IN

1993,

> GURUJI GAVE SADHANA ARTICLES TO RAJESHJI PARMAR, THROUGH THAT

SADHANA

> ARTICLES, SPREAD SADGURUDEVS KNOWLEDGE AND HIS MANTRA TANTRA

KNOWLEDGE IN UK

> AND ALSO OTHER COUNTRIES.

> AFTER GURUDEV LEFT THE BODY, MR RAJESHJI PARMAR ORGANISED SHIBIR IN

UK IN

> THAT TIME HE HAD VERY GOOD EXPERIENCE WITH MR NAND KISHORE

SHRIMALI. THE

> LOT OF DEVOTEES TAKE DIKSHA FROM HIM AND WE HAVE PROOF WITH THAT

PERSON THAT

> NAND KISHORE TOOK ALOT OF MONEY FROM THEM AND THAT MONEY IS USED IN

FAMILY

> CLOTHES AND FOOD, ALCOHAL. I DONT WANT TO DISCUSS ABOUT THIS BUT

YOU ALL

> HAVE MADE ME DISCUSS IT AND ALSO MY FRIENDS, AFTER GURUDEV LEFT,

THERE IS

> LOT OF GURUS IN INDIA WHO IS DEVOTEED WITH GURUJIS.

> CAN YOU SOLVE THAT PROBLEM IN INDIA FIRST? RAJESHJI DOES NOT NEED

ANY

> PERMISSION FROM ANYONE BECAUSE WE BELIEVE HE HAS SADGURUDEV

> SWAMINIKHILESHWARANDJI SUPPORT.

> AFTER SADGURUDEV LEFT, HIS AIM IS TO MAKE SADGURUDEVS ASHRAM IN ALL

OVER THE

> WORLD, NOT ONLY IN INDIA. TAHT IS HIS AIM AND FOR THAT AIM, THERE

IS NO NEED

> FOR ANYBODYS PERMISSION. HE DOES NOT ASK FOR ANY MONEY FROM ANYBODY

OR YOUR

> TRIMURTIS AND ALSO YOUR CLUB MEMBERS.

> TRIMURTIS AIM IS TO MAKE MONEY AND MAKE JALSA. RAJESH PARMARS AIM

IS TO WORK

> HARD MAKE MONEY AND OPEN GURUJIS ASHRAM. HA HA HA

> ALSO I GIVE OTHER NEWS, WONDER WHAT..... WHAT IS GOING TO OPEN, ONE

ASHRAM

> IN INDIA AS WELL. DO YOU THINK YOU PEOPLE DONT WANT TO SPREAD

SADGURUDEV

> SWAMINIKHILESHWARANDJIS KNOWLEDGE????

> I DONT WANT TO SPREAD TRIMURTIS KNOWLEDGE BECAUSE THERE IS NO

KNOWLEDGE.

> OK BYE JAI GURUDEV

> ANYWAY WHO ARE YOU TO ASK? AND WE DONT WANT TO DISCUSS ABOUT YOUR

CHAPLUSI.

>

> >"Ashish Marathe" <nikhilashish>

> >

> > My conversation with Guruji

> >Fri, 3 Aug 2001 00:20:54 +0530

> >

> >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

> >Hash: SHA1

> >

> >JAI GURUDEV

> >Hi all...

> >

> >Today, I called Jodhpur and talked to Nand Kishore Guruji about Mr.

> >Rajesh Parmar and his website. He told me that he or Bade Guruji

(Dr.

> >Narayan Dutt Shrimali) HAS NOT permitted him to open his centre,

> >publish any magazine, start website with contents from MTYV /

> >Siddhashram.Org and, most importantly, to grant Diksha.He is not in

> >contact with Gurudham either. If he is doing any or all of above

> >mentioned works, he is betraying Bade Guruji Dr. Narayan Dutt

> >Shrimali and Guru Trimurty. Any true disciple of Dr. narayan Dutt

> >Shrimali MUST NOT, in any condition, follow him.

> >

> >He also told me to proceed with caution since that person would get

> >undue publicity. At least, he has made us all to visit his website.

> >

> >Have a great day.

> >

> >Sincerely,

> >

> >Ashish Marathe

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August 5, 2001

Dear Gurubhais,

Let us be decent in answering mails. After all we all are in the

Guru-Shishya param-para of Swami Nikhileshwaraanandji.

No matter, what so ever the belief of anybody. Please do not try to accuse

anyone. I am not telling to one but to everyone. This is just a beginning.

You will have to face tough challanges in answering a lots of Questions. We

all have to tackle it in a smart decent way.

Pujya Gurudev about 12 years back told us once among about 10-20 Shishyas

that "Hindu religion is not that religion which tells you that if someone

slaps you offer him another cheek for another slap. If someone slaps you,

give 26 slaps that he would forget slapping anyone." I want to tell you

that we are not fox but we are lions.

Please discuss about Sadhanas.

Here are some suggestions:

(1) Please discuss about your Sadhana experiences.

(2) Try to find out those books written by Pujya Sadgurudev which is not

published by Jodhpur Gurudham. So that we could suggest Gurudev to go for

those books copy-rights. Because recently, I came accros a book in Gujarati

which is not published by Gurudham but by some publisher in Surat (Gujarat).

This book I borrowed from some library from California.

(3) All the Gurudevs wants to give a lots & lots of Sadhanas to everyone.

Ask yourselves --- Are you totally prepared for them?

(4) Are you prepared to take Higher Dikshaas? If you are not qualified

to take any Diksha Guruji will not give you. Think about that person who

has taken 108 Dikshaas. Please think. Think is the positive sense. Forget

about whether he is permitted to give Dikshaas. It is very tough to take

one particular Diksha. Because one has to adjust himself from many side.

(5) Whenever you visit any Camp. Try to find out old Sadhaks. He will

not reveil himself unless he is sure about you, that you are totally

dedicated in Gurudevs mission. How many of you have met such Sadhaks who

have achieved Siddhis? Have you ever met a Sadhak who did only Guru Sadhana

& has also entered Siddhashram. When you will meet such Sadhaks you would

feel dwarfed before them. And this will give you more & more encouragement

to do Sadhanas.

(6) Every month do some specific Anusthaan. Otherwise you will be left

behind. You would be no-where.

Jai Gurudev

Pradip Merchant.

-

<singhjee2001

<>

Sunday, August 05, 2001 12:30 AM

Re: My conversation with Guruji

> Hey kajal we didnt invite ya.

> u came yourself here. now go back to your bhaiyajee.

> i agree with others

> yes i am chaplush. and happy. Guruji NandKishorejee and Kailashjee

> has come in dream many times. and my health become ok. i will be

> chaplush to my three Gurus all my life. U go back to your bhaiyajee

> and do whatever you wanna do. dont come here again. we dont want u.

> leave us in peace.

> BYE

> JAI WAHEGURUJEE KI

>

> , "KAJAL SHAH SEHMI" <kajal_om@h...> wrote:

> >

> > WE HAVE LOT OF PROOF ABOUT RUNNING THE ASHRAM IN THE UK. SADGURDEV

> SWAMI DR

> > NARAYAN DUTT SHRIMALI WHEN HE IS IN PHYSICAL BODY, IN THAT TIME IN

> 1993,

> > GURUJI GAVE SADHANA ARTICLES TO RAJESHJI PARMAR, THROUGH THAT

> SADHANA

> > ARTICLES, SPREAD SADGURUDEVS KNOWLEDGE AND HIS MANTRA TANTRA

> KNOWLEDGE IN UK

> > AND ALSO OTHER COUNTRIES.

> > AFTER GURUDEV LEFT THE BODY, MR RAJESHJI PARMAR ORGANISED SHIBIR IN

> UK IN

> > THAT TIME HE HAD VERY GOOD EXPERIENCE WITH MR NAND KISHORE

> SHRIMALI. THE

> > LOT OF DEVOTEES TAKE DIKSHA FROM HIM AND WE HAVE PROOF WITH THAT

> PERSON THAT

> > NAND KISHORE TOOK ALOT OF MONEY FROM THEM AND THAT MONEY IS USED IN

> FAMILY

> > CLOTHES AND FOOD, ALCOHAL. I DONT WANT TO DISCUSS ABOUT THIS BUT

> YOU ALL

> > HAVE MADE ME DISCUSS IT AND ALSO MY FRIENDS, AFTER GURUDEV LEFT,

> THERE IS

> > LOT OF GURUS IN INDIA WHO IS DEVOTEED WITH GURUJIS.

> > CAN YOU SOLVE THAT PROBLEM IN INDIA FIRST? RAJESHJI DOES NOT NEED

> ANY

> > PERMISSION FROM ANYONE BECAUSE WE BELIEVE HE HAS SADGURUDEV

> > SWAMINIKHILESHWARANDJI SUPPORT.

> > AFTER SADGURUDEV LEFT, HIS AIM IS TO MAKE SADGURUDEVS ASHRAM IN ALL

> OVER THE

> > WORLD, NOT ONLY IN INDIA. TAHT IS HIS AIM AND FOR THAT AIM, THERE

> IS NO NEED

> > FOR ANYBODYS PERMISSION. HE DOES NOT ASK FOR ANY MONEY FROM ANYBODY

> OR YOUR

> > TRIMURTIS AND ALSO YOUR CLUB MEMBERS.

> > TRIMURTIS AIM IS TO MAKE MONEY AND MAKE JALSA. RAJESH PARMARS AIM

> IS TO WORK

> > HARD MAKE MONEY AND OPEN GURUJIS ASHRAM. HA HA HA

> > ALSO I GIVE OTHER NEWS, WONDER WHAT..... WHAT IS GOING TO OPEN, ONE

> ASHRAM

> > IN INDIA AS WELL. DO YOU THINK YOU PEOPLE DONT WANT TO SPREAD

> SADGURUDEV

> > SWAMINIKHILESHWARANDJIS KNOWLEDGE????

> > I DONT WANT TO SPREAD TRIMURTIS KNOWLEDGE BECAUSE THERE IS NO

> KNOWLEDGE.

> > OK BYE JAI GURUDEV

> > ANYWAY WHO ARE YOU TO ASK? AND WE DONT WANT TO DISCUSS ABOUT YOUR

> CHAPLUSI.

> >

> > >"Ashish Marathe" <nikhilashish>

> > >

> > > My conversation with Guruji

> > >Fri, 3 Aug 2001 00:20:54 +0530

> > >

> > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

> > >Hash: SHA1

> > >

> > >JAI GURUDEV

> > >Hi all...

> > >

> > >Today, I called Jodhpur and talked to Nand Kishore Guruji about Mr.

> > >Rajesh Parmar and his website. He told me that he or Bade Guruji

> (Dr.

> > >Narayan Dutt Shrimali) HAS NOT permitted him to open his centre,

> > >publish any magazine, start website with contents from MTYV /

> > >Siddhashram.Org and, most importantly, to grant Diksha.He is not in

> > >contact with Gurudham either. If he is doing any or all of above

> > >mentioned works, he is betraying Bade Guruji Dr. Narayan Dutt

> > >Shrimali and Guru Trimurty. Any true disciple of Dr. narayan Dutt

> > >Shrimali MUST NOT, in any condition, follow him.

> > >

> > >He also told me to proceed with caution since that person would get

> > >undue publicity. At least, he has made us all to visit his website.

> > >

> > >Have a great day.

> > >

> > >Sincerely,

> > >

> > >Ashish Marathe

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I fully agree with Pradeepji.

As for the book mentioned. was the book's name "sampoorna brahmanda" or "guru kitab"?

/jay jay gorakh jay jay nikhil/

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August 5, 2001

paradip, I like as I find we are bickering instead og learning

from each other experiences.How do I go about it?

jagjit

-

"Pradip Merchant" <pmerchant

<>

Cc: "KAJAL SHAH SEHMI" <kajal_om

Sunday, August 05, 2001 12:47 AM

Re: Re: My conversation with Guruji

> Dear Gurubhais,

>

> Let us be decent in answering mails. After all we all are in the

> Guru-Shishya param-para of Swami Nikhileshwaraanandji.

>

> No matter, what so ever the belief of anybody. Please do not try to

accuse

> anyone. I am not telling to one but to everyone. This is just a

beginning.

> You will have to face tough challanges in answering a lots of Questions.

We

> all have to tackle it in a smart decent way.

>

> Pujya Gurudev about 12 years back told us once among about 10-20 Shishyas

> that "Hindu religion is not that religion which tells you that if someone

> slaps you offer him another cheek for another slap. If someone slaps you,

> give 26 slaps that he would forget slapping anyone." I want to tell you

> that we are not fox but we are lions.

>

> Please discuss about Sadhanas.

>

> Here are some suggestions:

> (1) Please discuss about your Sadhana experiences.

> (2) Try to find out those books written by Pujya Sadgurudev which is not

> published by Jodhpur Gurudham. So that we could suggest Gurudev to go for

> those books copy-rights. Because recently, I came accros a book in

Gujarati

> which is not published by Gurudham but by some publisher in Surat

(Gujarat).

> This book I borrowed from some library from California.

> (3) All the Gurudevs wants to give a lots & lots of Sadhanas to

everyone.

> Ask yourselves --- Are you totally prepared for them?

> (4) Are you prepared to take Higher Dikshaas? If you are not qualified

> to take any Diksha Guruji will not give you. Think about that person who

> has taken 108 Dikshaas. Please think. Think is the positive sense.

Forget

> about whether he is permitted to give Dikshaas. It is very tough to take

> one particular Diksha. Because one has to adjust himself from many side.

> (5) Whenever you visit any Camp. Try to find out old Sadhaks. He will

> not reveil himself unless he is sure about you, that you are totally

> dedicated in Gurudevs mission. How many of you have met such Sadhaks who

> have achieved Siddhis? Have you ever met a Sadhak who did only Guru

Sadhana

> & has also entered Siddhashram. When you will meet such Sadhaks you

would

> feel dwarfed before them. And this will give you more & more

encouragement

> to do Sadhanas.

> (6) Every month do some specific Anusthaan. Otherwise you will be left

> behind. You would be no-where.

>

> Jai Gurudev

>

> Pradip Merchant.

>

> -

> <singhjee2001

> <>

> Sunday, August 05, 2001 12:30 AM

> Re: My conversation with Guruji

>

> > Hey kajal we didnt invite ya.

> > u came yourself here. now go back to your bhaiyajee.

> > i agree with others

> > yes i am chaplush. and happy. Guruji NandKishorejee and Kailashjee

> > has come in dream many times. and my health become ok. i will be

> > chaplush to my three Gurus all my life. U go back to your bhaiyajee

> > and do whatever you wanna do. dont come here again. we dont want u.

> > leave us in peace.

> > BYE

> > JAI WAHEGURUJEE KI

> >

> > , "KAJAL SHAH SEHMI" <kajal_om@h...> wrote:

> > >

> > > WE HAVE LOT OF PROOF ABOUT RUNNING THE ASHRAM IN THE UK. SADGURDEV

> > SWAMI DR

> > > NARAYAN DUTT SHRIMALI WHEN HE IS IN PHYSICAL BODY, IN THAT TIME IN

> > 1993,

> > > GURUJI GAVE SADHANA ARTICLES TO RAJESHJI PARMAR, THROUGH THAT

> > SADHANA

> > > ARTICLES, SPREAD SADGURUDEVS KNOWLEDGE AND HIS MANTRA TANTRA

> > KNOWLEDGE IN UK

> > > AND ALSO OTHER COUNTRIES.

> > > AFTER GURUDEV LEFT THE BODY, MR RAJESHJI PARMAR ORGANISED SHIBIR IN

> > UK IN

> > > THAT TIME HE HAD VERY GOOD EXPERIENCE WITH MR NAND KISHORE

> > SHRIMALI. THE

> > > LOT OF DEVOTEES TAKE DIKSHA FROM HIM AND WE HAVE PROOF WITH THAT

> > PERSON THAT

> > > NAND KISHORE TOOK ALOT OF MONEY FROM THEM AND THAT MONEY IS USED IN

> > FAMILY

> > > CLOTHES AND FOOD, ALCOHAL. I DONT WANT TO DISCUSS ABOUT THIS BUT

> > YOU ALL

> > > HAVE MADE ME DISCUSS IT AND ALSO MY FRIENDS, AFTER GURUDEV LEFT,

> > THERE IS

> > > LOT OF GURUS IN INDIA WHO IS DEVOTEED WITH GURUJIS.

> > > CAN YOU SOLVE THAT PROBLEM IN INDIA FIRST? RAJESHJI DOES NOT NEED

> > ANY

> > > PERMISSION FROM ANYONE BECAUSE WE BELIEVE HE HAS SADGURUDEV

> > > SWAMINIKHILESHWARANDJI SUPPORT.

> > > AFTER SADGURUDEV LEFT, HIS AIM IS TO MAKE SADGURUDEVS ASHRAM IN ALL

> > OVER THE

> > > WORLD, NOT ONLY IN INDIA. TAHT IS HIS AIM AND FOR THAT AIM, THERE

> > IS NO NEED

> > > FOR ANYBODYS PERMISSION. HE DOES NOT ASK FOR ANY MONEY FROM ANYBODY

> > OR YOUR

> > > TRIMURTIS AND ALSO YOUR CLUB MEMBERS.

> > > TRIMURTIS AIM IS TO MAKE MONEY AND MAKE JALSA. RAJESH PARMARS AIM

> > IS TO WORK

> > > HARD MAKE MONEY AND OPEN GURUJIS ASHRAM. HA HA HA

> > > ALSO I GIVE OTHER NEWS, WONDER WHAT..... WHAT IS GOING TO OPEN, ONE

> > ASHRAM

> > > IN INDIA AS WELL. DO YOU THINK YOU PEOPLE DONT WANT TO SPREAD

> > SADGURUDEV

> > > SWAMINIKHILESHWARANDJIS KNOWLEDGE????

> > > I DONT WANT TO SPREAD TRIMURTIS KNOWLEDGE BECAUSE THERE IS NO

> > KNOWLEDGE.

> > > OK BYE JAI GURUDEV

> > > ANYWAY WHO ARE YOU TO ASK? AND WE DONT WANT TO DISCUSS ABOUT YOUR

> > CHAPLUSI.

> > >

> > > >"Ashish Marathe" <nikhilashish>

> > > >

> > > > My conversation with Guruji

> > > >Fri, 3 Aug 2001 00:20:54 +0530

> > > >

> > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

> > > >Hash: SHA1

> > > >

> > > >JAI GURUDEV

> > > >Hi all...

> > > >

> > > >Today, I called Jodhpur and talked to Nand Kishore Guruji about Mr.

> > > >Rajesh Parmar and his website. He told me that he or Bade Guruji

> > (Dr.

> > > >Narayan Dutt Shrimali) HAS NOT permitted him to open his centre,

> > > >publish any magazine, start website with contents from MTYV /

> > > >Siddhashram.Org and, most importantly, to grant Diksha.He is not in

> > > >contact with Gurudham either. If he is doing any or all of above

> > > >mentioned works, he is betraying Bade Guruji Dr. Narayan Dutt

> > > >Shrimali and Guru Trimurty. Any true disciple of Dr. narayan Dutt

> > > >Shrimali MUST NOT, in any condition, follow him.

> > > >

> > > >He also told me to proceed with caution since that person would get

> > > >undue publicity. At least, he has made us all to visit his website.

> > > >

> > > >Have a great day.

> > > >

> > > >Sincerely,

> > > >

> > > >Ashish Marathe

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August 5, 2001

Amitji,

I am happy for the positive reactions from all.

The book which I read was in Gujarati "Tantra Ni Sadhana O"

I do not remember the publisher but the book is compiled & written by Pujya

Sadgurudev's enlightened disciple, staying in Himalayas. This book reveils all

amazing Sadhanas of Tantra.

I might recall that book again & borrow it from the library so that I could tell

you more about that. But this might take more than a month.

Recently, I read a book which you all might have read. "Tantrik Siddhiyan" -

this book had the same literature as is found in the book but I was amazed to

read the name of the auther and also the names of those people who wrote

letters to Pujya Sadgurudev. The author or compiler is also a great Yogi.

I mean to tell you please do some creative work. I was totally thrilled when

all of you contributed something for the web "Sadhak". This is a positive

work. This will make you grow spiritually. Only a vital part is your Ego.

That Pujya Gurudev will break at any cost.

So, tie up your loins. Do some Sadhana regularly. Slowly, slowly you would

find change in you. Do not try to run away from this mission. There will come

lots & lots of illusion but you have to pierce through it & reach to Guruji.

Remember, Guru is not a body that you see. He is nothing but knowledge -

"Kevalam Gyan Murti"

Keep your eyes open, like a Yogi.

Jai Gurudev,

Pradip Merchant.

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Amit Shrestha

Sunday, August 05, 2001 1:14 PM

Re: Re: My conversation with Guruji

/jay gurudev/

I fully agree with Pradeepji.

As for the book mentioned. was the book's name "sampoorna brahmanda" or "guru kitab"?

/jay jay gorakh jay jay nikhil/

"Love in its absolute and pure form is all compassionate all pervaiding all

divine but often in the world petty selfishness assumes the name of love and

rules the world with hatred"

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August 6, 2001

jai Gurudev,

Dear Kajal , probably this is the last time ill be writing to you.I

was there in Shibir by BADE Gurudev in 96 Gurupoornima, when he told

about fake gurus who take his name to exploit people and he clearly

told that he had not given permission to anyone to grant dikshaas.He

was referring to magazines which take the content from the main

magazine....

i was there and i have the cassette with me.if u want u can mail me

ur address ill send u the cassettes.

Regarding granting permission to Trimurthy Gurudevs there is video

cassette, in which Gurudev was involved in the process.

so dont take our word but listen/see the cassettes for urself.

i see that you disrespected Trimurthy Gurudev a lot which i strongly

condenm, becos, its return in scriptures that Sons/daughters of Guru

should be respected

its a dharma, becos they have been born physically to them, one

should have accumulated enough of good deeds to have BADE GURUDEV

as your father.

i dont think i/u or many of us are that lucky enough,

you need not worhsip Trimurthy Gurudevs, but at the same time u

should respect them becos of their birth. so dont confuse between

respect and worship.

i dont know much about Trimurthy Gurudevs, becos i am staying outside

india for past 2-3 yrs,but defenitely i respected them becos they are

my Gurudevs lineage...

so have a clear mind.if you want any help, dont hesitate to ask.

come out of illusions, directly listen to Bade Gurudevs

videos/cassettes then decide for your self.

love

Jai Gurudev

***BADE GURUDEV IS DR NARAYAN DUTT SHRIMALI, its only for reference,

in case u dont know, we in india are used to describing him as BADE

GURUDEV

, "KAJAL SHAH SEHMI" <kajal_om@h...> wrote:

>

> WE HAVE LOT OF PROOF ABOUT RUNNING THE ASHRAM IN THE UK. SADGURDEV

SWAMI DR

> NARAYAN DUTT SHRIMALI WHEN HE IS IN PHYSICAL BODY, IN THAT TIME IN

1993,

> GURUJI GAVE SADHANA ARTICLES TO RAJESHJI PARMAR, THROUGH THAT

SADHANA

> ARTICLES, SPREAD SADGURUDEVS KNOWLEDGE AND HIS MANTRA TANTRA

KNOWLEDGE IN UK

> AND ALSO OTHER COUNTRIES.

> AFTER GURUDEV LEFT THE BODY, MR RAJESHJI PARMAR ORGANISED SHIBIR IN

UK IN

> THAT TIME HE HAD VERY GOOD EXPERIENCE WITH MR NAND KISHORE

SHRIMALI. THE

> LOT OF DEVOTEES TAKE DIKSHA FROM HIM AND WE HAVE PROOF WITH THAT

PERSON THAT

> NAND KISHORE TOOK ALOT OF MONEY FROM THEM AND THAT MONEY IS USED IN

FAMILY

> CLOTHES AND FOOD, ALCOHAL. I DONT WANT TO DISCUSS ABOUT THIS BUT

YOU ALL

> HAVE MADE ME DISCUSS IT AND ALSO MY FRIENDS, AFTER GURUDEV LEFT,

THERE IS

> LOT OF GURUS IN INDIA WHO IS DEVOTEED WITH GURUJIS.

> CAN YOU SOLVE THAT PROBLEM IN INDIA FIRST? RAJESHJI DOES NOT NEED

ANY

> PERMISSION FROM ANYONE BECAUSE WE BELIEVE HE HAS SADGURUDEV

> SWAMINIKHILESHWARANDJI SUPPORT.

> AFTER SADGURUDEV LEFT, HIS AIM IS TO MAKE SADGURUDEVS ASHRAM IN ALL

OVER THE

> WORLD, NOT ONLY IN INDIA. TAHT IS HIS AIM AND FOR THAT AIM, THERE

IS NO NEED

> FOR ANYBODYS PERMISSION. HE DOES NOT ASK FOR ANY MONEY FROM ANYBODY

OR YOUR

> TRIMURTIS AND ALSO YOUR CLUB MEMBERS.

> TRIMURTIS AIM IS TO MAKE MONEY AND MAKE JALSA. RAJESH PARMARS AIM

IS TO WORK

> HARD MAKE MONEY AND OPEN GURUJIS ASHRAM. HA HA HA

> ALSO I GIVE OTHER NEWS, WONDER WHAT..... WHAT IS GOING TO OPEN, ONE

ASHRAM

> IN INDIA AS WELL. DO YOU THINK YOU PEOPLE DONT WANT TO SPREAD

SADGURUDEV

> SWAMINIKHILESHWARANDJIS KNOWLEDGE????

> I DONT WANT TO SPREAD TRIMURTIS KNOWLEDGE BECAUSE THERE IS NO

KNOWLEDGE.

> OK BYE JAI GURUDEV

> ANYWAY WHO ARE YOU TO ASK? AND WE DONT WANT TO DISCUSS ABOUT YOUR

CHAPLUSI.

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