belated wishes

August 5, 2001

dear brothers,

i will like to wish you all, my new found brothers on this raksha

bandhan.

sorry should have done so yesterday.

I will tell a gem i picked up from a senior sadhak (Shrivastav uncle

actually). Though to be honest i have not tried it yet, and may not in

the near future. But with the navratri slose anyone who sishes to can.

(only consult GUrudham once as i do not have authority to give sadhnas

to people)

This is for nischit karya poorti (sure shot success) and was given by

bade GURUJI.

You all know that bhuvaneshwari beej mantra is Hreem

In the book Bhuvaneshwari sadhna the following beej mantras are given

Niskaam bhav (to be able to pray for no desire) Shreem

Pratyaksh darshan (to see the divine mother) yum

Aarthik unnati ( general wealth)kreem

vyapaar vridhi (success in business) Aam (bara aa with anuswar)

Sukh samridhi (happiness and abundance) hum

shatru sanghaar (to rid of enemies) rum

mukadme me safalta (success in court cases) dum (da for durga)

rog nivaran (ridding of illness) vum (va in vaanar)

anayaas dhan prapti (sudden monetary gains)khum (as in khoobsurat)

rin mochan( freedom from debts) gum

sukh shanti(peace and happiness) jum (as in julandhar)

putra prapti (for begetting a son) tam (as in teertha, tatpurushaaya)

patni ya pati sukh (for getting a spouse, marraige) num (as in

naariyal/namaste)

moksh prapti (salvation) lum (as in lambodar)

Keerti/ yash prapti (success an fame) kshum as in kshatriya)

bhagyodaya (for changing/improving fate) am (small a as in anu with

anuswar )

vidya prapti (for knowledge) eim (NOT aim) small ei as in ehi ekant)

khoye hue vyakti ko prapt karna (To find a lost person) om (O for

okhli with an anuswar)

tantrik prabhaav door karne ke liye( to rid of evil rituals ) kum (as

in kamala)

samast prakaar ka abhyuday(general betterment success)

thum as in thaharna/thare rahiyo o banke ..)

i hope you guys can take a joke!

in the book it is mentioned that you should chant 1 lakh

mantra as kum hreem kum for example.

But uncle told me that if you do 1 lakh(100,000 chants) kum, then

1 lakh hreem, them 1 lakh kum again then kum hreem kum.

it gives 100% success. This was told to him by bade GURUJi.

but do follow the follwing

1)sfatik mala never use rudraksh)

2) aasan should be wollen and white

sit facind east or north. light a ghee lamp. incense is not compulsor

3) it is possible to get a pandit to o these chants

4) wear white/ do not wear stitchted clothes.

5) sleep on th floor.

6) eat once (ann/ cerals/pulses)and at one place. you are allowed to

take fruits a second time. you can take drinks any no. of times

7) on completion make oblations in fire it is said in the book to make

100 for hreem. may bein this case one should make 100 kum, then 100

hreem the 100 kum then 1000 kum hreem kum

CONSULT GURUDHAM>>>>>>

8) feed people, it is written parijano and behano (like me)

family and sisters.

If possible feed a brahmin.

for details consult Bhuvaneshwari sadhna by GURUDEV

wishes

jai GURUDEV

anu

August 6, 2001

Dear anuji,

jayjay gurudev,

I thank you from heart bout the gem u posted. It came

right in time as i was doing Mata Bhuvaneshwori Sadhna. thank you

very very much

/jay jay gorakh jay jay nikhil/

August 6, 2001

--

dear amit,

you are welcome. may be GURUJi wanted you to know this so i posted

about bhuvaneshwari sadhna.

May GURUDEV bestow you with success.

just thought that since i am the panchang owner here

i will let you all know about the coming GURUpushya yogs. for those

who do not know, GURU pushya yogs and ravi PUSHYa yogs are poorna

sidhi dayak (bestow 100% success) and any sadhna can be started during

these.

guru pushya

13 september 20.10 to 14 september sun rise

11 oct sun rise to 11 october 26.17 hrs

9 nov sun rise to 9 nov 9.16 hrs

ravi pushya

24 feb 20.31 hrs to 25 feb sun rise (2002)

24 march sun rise to 25 march 4.30 hrs (2002)

since some of live far away from GURUdham, and it takes more thana

while to obtain the samagri, it is not a bad idea to know in advance.

To think far....without letting go of the present of course,

there will a lunar eclipse on 30th dec (visible partly in indianot in

europe).

next year around may for a few hrs (i think may 14 or 15)

7 planets will get together in tauras. but most end april to begining

june there will be quite a few. there will be 3 eclipes around then, 2

lunar and one solar.

so really gear yourself up. even if you have not done any sadhna yet,

by that time with some hard work you can be strong and develop

concentration. may we all attain to total fulfillment in the coming

periods. may we attain material and spiritual success. may our

problems be solved and our desires fulfilled.

yes ashish beej mantras are supposed to be themost pwerful therefore

no tantrik mantra exists without them. i did not know the fact about

GURU mantra

thank you telling me

wishes

and jai GURUDEV

anu

ps: arvind called me, and he was upset about having made the mistake

of abusing. i told him it was fine, and we understand that he did so

in a fit of rage.

may peace, and good will be restored on this discussion list and we

never have to break it again

August 6, 2001

-

i have taken this from our website. may be most of you must have read

them already. These are my most favorite and inspiring words from

GURUDEV

Sadhak

A Sadhak is one who is aware of the science of Tantra and Mantra. The

world of Sadhana discriminates not between a man and a woman. Both are

equally eligible to try any ritual. One who musters all energy and

will power and speeds like an arrow towards one's goal is known as a

Sadhak. Only such an individual can achieve the highest level of

success.

The foremost requirement of being a Sadhak is concentrated thoughts -

one's mental power must not be spewing in different directions. When

one has a composite mind the goal no longer appears to be distant.

Then one is not annoyed or troubled by trifle problems, then

hopelessness never pervades his life and he keeps moving ahead,

resting not till he has reached his destination.

Only such an individual can be called a Sadhak. Only such a person can

outshine millions of fellow beings. There can be no doubt that such a

level of success is impossible without divine help, but pleading or

begging cannot secure such help for an individual. For that one has to

brim over with manliness and confidence. A true Sadhak's motto is

"Shareeram Saadhyati Va Paatyati" i.e. I shall secure success or I

shall die in the process. This spirit of do or die, this feeling of

challenge makes one a Sadhak. Only such an individual can attain

spiritual success and in the process material success as well. One has

to kick all problems and move forward for achieving

success. One who can even look death in the eye; one who feels free of

all worldly shackles and handicaps can be a real Sadhak

`

August 7, 2001

---

jai GURUDEV

i think we should let go, and

not sermonize. anybody who made a mistake in being rude etc did so in

a fit of rage.it is the same emotion that one feels when anyone abuses

your mother. if there was no reaction it could have been taken as a

sign of acceptance, or weekness. I am definitely not justifying it,

but am reminding all of us of our own humanness. if we were perfect

why would we be here, killers or sants and swamis-- all human beings

are on one earth because we yet have to burn out left over karma.

You see so many situations in other people's lives where you feel

reproachful, yet our own reactions surprise us when we face similar

situations, only you have to be honest to yourself to admit them.

Therein lies the great mystery of maha maya.

samaay bara balwaan hai sab jane yati sati

bhairo jaise nath ki bhi mari gayi mati

(time alone is the true test of all greatness whether that of a yogi

or a chaste woman. bhairo was a great nath (a particular sect) yet he

lost his senses and was killed by Durga)

Especially after the apologies have been typed, may we can

change the topic and get into some other discussions. sometimes it is

good to just reflect on ourselves. i as a person am very far from

perfect.

OK arvind, let's fight.

i totally disagree with you on that explanation you gave to defend

your stand on cheiro. Do you know that Kailash GURUji always asks to

see my left hand? this left right thing is more indian.

second more than logic it is the psychic powers of the predictor which

matter. do ou know in delhi there is a pandit. he sees no palms, no

birthcharts he holds your wrist and makes predictions. he made two vey

accurate predictions for my family members.

i am also very much offended that you chose to write that vishwamitra

was poor before he became a rishi in your article on sadhak.

Vishwamitra was a great king and is my role model. He was passing by

brahma rishi vashishtha's ashram where disagreement broke out over

ownership of nandi, the sacred cow. His rishi hood began with repeated

attempts to

defeat vashishtha.

But how will you know such things. To know such things either you have

to be born at that time. Or you have to be enlightened (like me).

There is one more option... read comics oon the internet!!

cheers,

jai GURUDEV

anu

khullar bhai, files me dekh leejiye, karne ka tareeka diya

hai. vaise woh kaam nahin karta, main roj koshish karti hoon....

August 7, 2001

Jai Gurudev.

Ahimsha & non-violence are for the timid and meek. They were relevant

in that era, but arent relevant anymore. In this era, if u dont stop

and counter a offence, then the offender will take more liberty. Any

offence sud be checked immediately at first notice. A stitch in time

saves nine. If someone slaps u once, then u sud hit him such 36 slaps

that he never tries to take liberty again.

"Kshma Shbhati us bhujang ko, jiskey paas garal ho, woh kya jo

vishheen, dantheen sarp ho". i.e. Only a snake with vemon has got a

right to Forgive someone. A poisonless and toothless snake cant

forgive and pardon anyone, because he hasnt got any other choice.

Thanks Anuji for the support. Pujya Trimurti Gurudevs are our mother

and father, in fact they are higher than that. (Tvamev Maata cha Pita

Tvamev). And how can one tolerate insults to one's parents. However,

I am sorry again for using bad language.

About cheirio & left hand. That was MY own individual opinion. I'm

just a beginner and seeker of knowledge, and I can be wrong many

times. However, I do understand one fact. That if i go to a wrong

person and learn wrong facts, then it will be worse than having no

knowledge. And pujya Gurudev and His books can never be wrong. Hence

I will always prefer Gurudev's books over cherio or any other. And

with hundreds of books on astrology authored by pujya Gurudev, maybe

I wont need to read any other author!

About psychic powers. Yes, possible through Kaal Gyaan Sadhana,

Panchanguli Sadhana, Bhavishya Siddhi Sadhana etc. MAybe that guy has

siddhi in any of these sadhanas. A very big thing if one isnt

connected to Gurudev yet, but a normal thing if someone has achieved

even a partial success in any Sadhana or taken any Diksha from

Gurudev. After coming into pujya Gurudev's contact, I am NOT in awe

of such "siddh" people. Yes I do respect their siddhi & hard work in

attaining them. However, never, in awe of them. To see a movie free,

I don't need to plead to theatre_ticketman if I have a connection

with the owner of theatre.

However, your point is well taken. We sud perform and achieve success

in Sadhanas ourselves.

About Vishwamitra. Yes, he was a king. but he had to leave all that

to become a rishi. And even Kings have their bad days and are forced

into poverty sometimes (eg. King Harishchandra). And yes, Rishi

Vishwamitra was a very great Tantrik. Pujya Gurudev has mentioned

about poverty of Vishwamitra & his Sadhanas for conquering poverty

in many cassettes, Lakshmi related books and magazine. An example is

- http://www.siddhashram.org/article010.shtml Still I do agree. My

knowledge of history is very poor.

Thanks

Jai Gurudev

, zm1603@h... wrote:

> ---

> jai GURUDEV

>

> i think we should let go, and

> not sermonize. anybody who made a mistake in being rude etc did so

in

> a fit of rage.it is the same emotion that one feels when anyone

abuses

> your mother. if there was no reaction it could have been taken as a

> sign of acceptance, or weekness. I am definitely not justifying it,

> but am reminding all of us of our own humanness. if we were perfect

> why would we be here, killers or sants and swamis-- all human

beings

> are on one earth because we yet have to burn out left over karma.

>

> You see so many situations in other people's lives where you feel

> reproachful, yet our own reactions surprise us when we face similar

> situations, only you have to be honest to yourself to admit them.

> Therein lies the great mystery of maha maya.

>

> samaay bara balwaan hai sab jane yati sati

> bhairo jaise nath ki bhi mari gayi mati

>

> (time alone is the true test of all greatness whether that of a

yogi

> or a chaste woman. bhairo was a great nath (a particular sect) yet

he

> lost his senses and was killed by Durga)

>

> Especially after the apologies have been typed, may we can

> change the topic and get into some other discussions. sometimes it

is

> good to just reflect on ourselves. i as a person am very far from

> perfect.

> OK arvind, let's fight.

> i totally disagree with you on that explanation you gave to defend

> your stand on cheiro. Do you know that Kailash GURUji always asks

to

> see my left hand? this left right thing is more indian.

> second more than logic it is the psychic powers of the predictor

which

> matter. do ou know in delhi there is a pandit. he sees no palms, no

> birthcharts he holds your wrist and makes predictions. he made two

vey

> accurate predictions for my family members.

>

> i am also very much offended that you chose to write that

vishwamitra

> was poor before he became a rishi in your article on sadhak.

> Vishwamitra was a great king and is my role model. He was passing

by

> brahma rishi vashishtha's ashram where disagreement broke out over

> ownership of nandi, the sacred cow. His rishi hood began with

repeated

> attempts to

> defeat vashishtha.

> But how will you know such things. To know such things either you

have

> to be born at that time. Or you have to be enlightened (like me).

> There is one more option... read comics oon the internet!!

>

> cheers,

> jai GURUDEV

> anu

> khullar bhai, files me dekh leejiye, karne ka tareeka

diya

> hai. vaise woh kaam nahin karta, main roj koshish karti hoon....

August 7, 2001

arvind,

i was joking and teasing you, all of make mistakes, all of can be

wrong. me more than you maybe.

But back to Vishwamitra he was not forced to become a rishsi, he chose

to be one.

I was very impressed by his story because i personally suffer from

some kind of fear of making mistakes (sins), i weigh my actions on my

own morals very heavily. To the extent that it paralyses me.But here

was this man,

obsessed with one emotion to defeat vashishths, and that emotion made

him a brahma rishi.

We must have the same source of general knowledge so that we do not

disagree. arvind, until you are a kaal gyaani, all our knowledge is

based on other people's knowledge. i send you mine.very cute stories,

this is what i do in the name of working abroad!! how about you?

http://www.freeindia.org/biographies/sages/vishwamitra/index.htm

yes, i am also not awed by powers, maybe because by GURUji's grace we

understand how to acquire them now. But i do respect them for being

students of class XIIth where as i am still struggling in

sadhna-prep!!

jai GURUDEV

anu

August 7, 2001

-

OK i just read it, Vishwamitra was poor before he did lakshmi sadhnas.

yes, sir you have refence nad source.

jai GURUDEV

anu

August 7, 2001

JAI GURUDEV

Hello all...

Nothing surprises me anymore in this group. Here, we find people who

claim to be desciples of Bade Guruji and Trimurty Gurujis and preach

that they can do anything for their Guru, ..., blah blah blah. But,

when someone intrudes this group and smack their nose by declaring

their Guru a thief, a fraud and an alcoholic, all they do is keeping

quiet to prove themselves saints, to show their tolerence and

forgiving nature. And when someone dares to retaliate, they unite to

knock him down. Truely intelligent, great, awesome. Maybe, this is

what Guruji wanted to make these people. This group represents India,

the Hindu religion, Siddhashram Sadhak Parivaar and, of course,

Guruji. This group is created to tell the world that Tantra is a way

to become a complete person who is strong, who is just, who protects

the right but punishing wrong. Only a fool would ask that how can

someone do such big things who can't even defend his Guru?

I know, after Arvind, I am going to be the target of criticism. You

may justify yourselves by saying that we should ignore such things

and do constructive works etc. etc. But, how can we do anything when

we can't even defend our Guru? How are we going to spread Guruji's

message while we have just proven ourselves cowards in front of the

whole World?

You accuse Arvind of using foul language when he called that "son of

a bi*" a "ba*". Where were you when that Girl called Nand Kishore

Guruji a person who fools people for food, clothes and alcohol? What

kind of blood do you have in your veins that doesn't boil even when

someone says such things about your Guru?

Guruji wanted to create Lions, but he would be sad to know that many

of those Lions have become Saints.

Ashish...

August 9, 2001

ashish and all,

i did not want to answer this mail, perhaps because i wanted to see

other people's reaction. We in India make this mistake very often.

Swami Vivekananda in his interpretation of the Gita explains arjun's

refusal to fight as not as Moh (love and respect) for family and

elders but as fear of the huge army in front of him deep

down.(Complete works of Swami Vivekananda, Vol I) -- do you know the

reason for this? Why were the Indians as huge nation downtrodden in

poverty and superstitions. why did a handful of english, a small

country, a mere island rule us for not one, not two but 400 years? it

lies within the Hindu religion. The karma theory, and it's

interpretation. The family i am born to whether that of a sweeper or

the prime minister's, the body that i am blessed with

beautiful and perfect or ugly and even deformed, the intelligence and

wisdom i own or lack is decided by the deeds.. Not only that if

people come and kill my family, if i am walking down the streets and

someone chooses to pick me and rape me it is also a result of my past

karma. what is wrong with that? Nothing except that in disowning

responsibilty for the present, and throwing it on unknown behind we

forgot that in the present, in the given situations we have some

duties to ourselves and to others.

And that we commit a sin by not fighting back. And that it is possible

to create change. Not only that we believe that Nature will punish the

wrong doer for his mistakes, he will suffer for his own karma, so why

do we need to worry? Afterall fighting back takes effort, and hard

work does it not?

" I am responsible for what i am.. And whatever i wish to become I

have the power within to make myself."

And i am not talking about the blessed few who have found the way of

sadhna. why are we doing sadhnas afterall? let us not forget that our

golas are selfish. my material improvement, wealth, good spouse,

longevity, happiness, job, career, beauty, apsaras... oh, so you are

not the material kind, eh? Infact you scorn such things. so what are

you working for? my spiritual upliftment, my kundalini jagran, my stay

at siddhashram, my moksha. there was posting which mentioned being

left behind . which race? and with whom? and for what? are we

competing with each other, with ourselves? How many of us think of

doing a single sadhana for others? Whose life is higher, mine or that

of someone who spends his life serving his parents. Ah ha, so that is

why we talk of GURU seva. But before Guru seva, there has to be

samarpan. Our samarpan is based on selfishness again.

the problem is hidden in the roots. why did you come to Dr. Narayan

Dutt Shrimali and choose him as your Guru? Seeking upliftment of the

soul. i doubt--many came here seeking solutions to material problems.

Atleast i did. what is wrong with that? absolutely nothing. there is

money involved here. what is wrong with that. nothing again. Except

that it brought a doubt in your mind. You have heard of too

many bogus sadhus who loot people. So what kept you? YOUR own

emergency and need. But it was neither enlightenment, nor a true

surrender. I had written a mail that ended with Swami Vivekananda's Go

home and practice...and arvind had written a two page mail about how

he went and preached his GURU's message (arvind, kindly ignore this.

It is not directed towards you, it is a general posting)

and how can i give his example etc.

I remember biting my lips, Swami Vivekananda had the moral courage to

ask all questions to the whole world AND to his guru. Not only that he

rejected several people before he chose a GURU. Gurudev's pravachan

for January 2000begins with how swami vivekananda before meeting

ramakrishna paramhans went drenched in flood and rain to meet swami

devendranath (dada of rabindranath tagore) only to ask is there GOD?

swami devendranath looked at his face, and was taken aback by the

urgency of the boy. Swami Vivekananda turned to leave. When swami

devendranath called him back and asked him to come up for a

discussion Vivekananda refused saying-there is nothing to talk now. If

there is GOD, he is there. If he is not there, he is not there-what is

there to think??

He did not hesitate to hide a coin in ramakrishna's bed to test about

his stand that he hated the feel of money. He realized God as well as

the highest state of samadhi before he went preaching. He believed in

what he preached because he had proof. Believe me his love for his

GURU was not a matter of exhibition. In the huge volumes of brahma

gyaan that he produced, there is no mention of GURU seva. He did not

look upon his guru as someone who had precious gems which needed to be

taken, by hook or crook, by pretending to be samarpit and doing guru

seva. So there are "discussions" about doing Guruseva, and beating

each other at it. Afterall the guy who does more guru seva wins more

laurels. That is the logic, no?

You accuse Arvind of using foul language when he

called that "son of a bi*" a "ba*".

Ashish, so I see your stand. You will abuse this man, and will do so

unashamedly. OK, fine. But do respect one thing. That all of us who

did not abuse are not cowards. There are two reasons. One difference

in temperament. Not everyone is a born soldier, some are more peace

loving, and it is not a sin. And two, not everyone here the kind of

association you have had with GURUji. So people yet have to realize

what they got into. And it is unfair to expect them to react with the

same vengeance for something they are still trying to understand. I

belong to the second category. I am not a samarpit shishya . I am in

the process of assimilating and understanding, but the mission is far

from complete. You know once, I was standing at the counter at

GURUdham holding a book in hand. It was a book on electrodynamics.

Some senior person came to me and told me that this book I was holding

was useless, and true gyaan was there on the shelf. I glared at him.

And went on in the fury. I asked him which gyaan had made the printing

of the gyaan on the shelf possible? Which gyaan was responsible for

the fan, and the light on the ceiling. Which gyaan had made the audio

and video cassettes of gurudev possible? Even ritu bhaiya (at the

counter) who usually kept his composure burst in laughter. When you

truly believe in something you do not need to think twice before

reacting.

What kind of blood do you have in your veins..

Do not know about others, but mine is B+.

Just to give you and arvind some news, looks like I got the job I

applied for. There still has to be one more interview with the top

boss but that is usually a mere formality. I really really thank

Gurudev with all my heart. This is the first interview I gave. This is

a matter of tremendous good fortune, and a very good job. I did not

even take any diksha or perform any sadhna for this. This is just

Guruji's grace.

You know when I was in India this time, and met Nand Kishore Guruji I

had discussed some problem with him, and he had asked me do some

sadhna. I was not satisfied, and had asked for the related diksha too.

He had refused saying that I did not need it, and I would/ should

attain success without it. So much for his being greedy…

But, now is the time to gear myself up. If I fail, neither will I be

able to respect myself nor will I get the blessings of my Guru. With

this note I leave this group.

Good wishes, love

And jai GURUDEV

anu

August 9, 2001

Jai Gurudev

Dear Anu,

Why do u people write so long-long messages. Keep the message small

and brief.

> ...in the given situations we have some duties to ourselves and to

others. And that we commit a sin by not fighting back. And that it is

possible to create change. Not only that we believe that Nature will

punish the wrong doer for his mistakes, he will suffer for his own

karma, so why do we need to worry? Afterall fighting back takes

>effort, and hard work does it not?

I am fully agree with u.

> " I am responsible for what i am.. And whatever i wish to become I

> have the power within to make myself."

Very correct.

>why are we doing sadhnas afterall?

I think most of us are Sadhna for our own benefits.

> You accuse Arvind of using foul language when he

> called that "son of a bi*" a "ba*". ..........

> Ashish, so I see your stand. You will abuse this man, and will do

so

> unashamedly. OK, fine. But do respect one thing. That all of us who

> did not abuse are not cowards. There are two reasons. One

difference

> in temperament. Not everyone is a born soldier, some are more peace

> loving, and it is not a sin. And two, not everyone here the kind of

> association you have had with GURUji. So people yet have to realize

> what they got into. And it is unfair to expect them to react with

the

> same vengeance for something they are still trying to understand. I

> belong to the second category. I am not a samarpit shishya . I am

in

> the process of assimilating and understanding, but the mission is

far

> from complete.

I fully agree with u. But everybody is free to give his opinion and

Ashish has expressed his own view. Or what he expect from other

Shishyas. and u will agree that everybody was obviously not happy

with the issue. Some has expressed their feeling and some have not.

But that does not mean that others have not feel bad. They had felt

bad, but there way of expression is bit different.

> What kind of blood do you have in your veins..

> Do not know about others, but mine is B+.

You can not win every fight with blood.

> Just to give you and arvind some news, looks like I got the job I

> applied for. There still has to be one more interview with the top

> boss but that is usually a mere formality. I really really thank

> Gurudev with all my heart. This is the first interview I gave. This

is

> a matter of tremendous good fortune, and a very good job. I did not

> even take any diksha or perform any sadhna for this. This is just

> Guruji's grace.

My heartiest congratulation.

> With this note I leave this group.

NOT ALLOWED. If just because of difference of opinion u leave this

group, this is very bad. AND MIND U, u r not allowed to leave this

group. There r only few people in this group who really conribute, we

care for ur words. So please, don't leave this group.

Jai Gurudev

Charanjit

August 9, 2001

JAI GURUDEV

Dear Anu,

Apparently, I used the right side of my brain instead of the left

one. I tried to be logical and asked Nand Kishore Guruji to permit me

to do some logical work. He refused, but he didn't also want me to be

an emotional fool.

> i doubt--many came here seeking solutions to material problems.

> Atleast i did.

So did I.

> Ashish, so I see your stand. You will abuse this man, and will do

> so unashamedly.

Well, yes. This feeling of shameless abuse is not limited to Guruji.

If anyone abuses my family, my friends or someone whom I love and

respect, I would react as shamelessly as I have done this time or

even worse.

Consider this. If someone attacks your family in front of you, what

would you do?

> OK, fine. But do respect one thing. That all of us who

> did not abuse are not cowards.

I never meant to declare anyone coward. Even if we forget the Guru-

Shishya stuff for a while, is it logical to insult an elder person by

declaring him an alcoholic, a fraud and a thief?

> And it is unfair to expect them to react with the same vengeance

> for something they are still trying to understand.

I did not. What I didn't like is that girl insulted Nand Kishore

Guruji and when Arvind retaliated, people started attacking him. If

they are unable to defend their Guru, they shouldn't, at least,

defend a wrong person. Arvind is a senior sadhak and my senior

gurubhai as well. I respect him.

> Do not know about others, but mine is B+.

Well, mine is O+, the universal donar.

> Just to give you and arvind some news, looks like I got the job I

> applied for.

Congratulations! I already knew you would get it.

> this note I leave this group.

Why? Because of me and my posts? Please, don't. If someone must leave

this group then that person would essentially be me. I should leave

this group. Maybe, it is a good time to leave this group and cool

myself off.

Thanks for bearing me this long. Good luck...

Ashish Marathe

August 9, 2001

-dear brothers,

please, i am not the sulky type.

it is just that i get highly strung and involved, i cannot do

anything without full involvement. that includes writing mails. BUt

for the time being i want to concentrate on Nand Kishore GURUji's

aagya to perform sadhnas, i saoid i will not be able to respect

myself if i fail. they are my priorities today.. afterall, i am

preaching without the kind of success i wish to achieve and that is

dishonest. you can all reach me at this and other email ids.

i wish you all luck, and success in all redevours.

do not worry i will be back.

meanwhile if anybody wishes to talk to me send me personal mail.

thank you for the wishes.

do you know when i d my intentions was just to read the

mesaages.

love,

jai GURUDEV

anu

August 9, 2001

Jai Gurudev

Dear Ashish

> Why? Because of me and my posts? Please, don't. If someone must

leave

> this group then that person would essentially be me. I should leave

> this group. Maybe, it is a good time to leave this group and cool

> myself off.

I m really unable to understand why u peoples r leaving the group.

If in a family two, there is some difference of opinion, does they

leave like this. Or that girl has got success in breaking this

group.

Anu and Ashish, Please do not go away, we all love u and ur works.

There are so many hurdles in Guru Sewa, together we have to face all

them. SO please and please do not go and take this face the world

with Guruji's blessings.

Unfortunately, I don't know my blood group.

Jai Gurudev

Charanjit

August 9, 2001

dear anu,

> please, i am not the sulky type.

we understand, we never thought that you are sulky

>

> it is just that i get highly strung and involved, i cannot do

> anything without full involvement. that includes writing mails.

we too are the similar type.(at least a few of us are of similar

types)

BUt

> for the time being i want to concentrate on Nand Kishore GURUji's

> aagya to perform sadhnas, i saoid i will not be able to respect

> myself if i fail. they are my priorities today..

carry on sadhanas,hope u get results but that should not be coupled

to leaving the group . you can be passive and react when ever u feel

so , becos no one ever knows what is in store

afterall, i am

> preaching without the kind of success i wish to achieve and that is

> dishonest.

do u think we are preaching??? in a family no one preaches we are all

members of a family and we

are interacting and strenthining each other with our experiences

>you can all reach me at this and other email ids.

> meanwhile if anybody wishes to talk to me send me personal mail.

i dont see how it makes a difference if you stay as passive member.

> i wish you all luck, and success in all redevours.

if u still want to leave. we too wish you the same.

> do not worry i will be back.

we want you back ASAP

> thank you for the wishes.

need not be formal

> do you know when i d my intentions was just to read the

> mesaages.

you can do the same thing now also, no one is forcing you to do

otherwise, that is what i mean by a passive member

love,

jai GURUDEV

August 9, 2001

JAI GURUDEV

Dear Charanjit,

> Unfortunately, I don't know my blood group.

What? No blood group? Then how are you going to continue on this

group? You are in serious trouble, brother :-D

Have a great day...

Ashish...

August 10, 2001

Dear Gurubhais & Bahens,

This has reference to the thoughts mentioned in this email received.

Reason why India became "Gulaam" of British & had to suffer a lot during the

period of Muslim advent:

5000 years before Lord Krishna came.

2500 years before Gautam Buddha came.

around a 1000 years (or 800 years) before Adi Sankaracharya came.

India suffered a lot during last 500 years.

Sankaracharya was sent from Siddhashram to re-establish the Hinduism in

India. (Hinduism is not only a Religion but a unique way of life. Totality

in itself to reach God). You would find a total ressuruction of the

Hinduism in India during his life time. He trained Shishyas, establish 4

Muths and also gave a lot to his Shishyas. His exit became early. (What

made him to leave his body is a different question. That we would discuss

later.) He left his body much early. He did not dissolve the egos of his

disciples. To dissolve the ego of a disciple, he has to put him to severe

test so that his ego gets dissolve into the Guru. This process was not done

totally during that time & his exit became too early.

Result was suddenly Bhakti-Kaal entered into India. The Rishis were not

born & only Saints & Bhaktas were born. Those Bhagirat who brought Ganga,

Bhardwaaj who brought Sanjeevani Vidya, Vishwamitra who challanged Brahma of

Creating a New Universe similar to that created by Brahma, did not born

during the Bhakti-Kaal. People instead of depending upon their own Self,

they started depending upon the nature. They had no capacity to change the

destiny. They lost the power to go against the stream. This made India

"Gulaam".

That is why Guruji has been sent from Siddhashram by Dada-gurudev to

re-establish the practical aspects of the Hinduism. Pujya Gurudev will test

each & every disciple before giving anything. Pujya Gurudev in order to

dissolve the ego of all the Shishyas, he would put to acid test each &

everyone, so that the pure gold would come out of these disciples. If you

keep you eyes open, you would see how Guruji has showered his blessings on

everyone.

So look forward. Do whatever Sadhana which appeals you. Do not worry about

the result now. Do it repeatedly. Gurudev will give you success. Become a

pure "paatra" so that you could fuse into Guru & work for him.

After 50 to 100 years from now, you would see the fragrance of Swami

Nikhileshwaraanand' work. YOu would see the thoughts would become pure,

selfless and energetic.

Jai Gurudev,

Pradip Merchant.

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