Guest guest Posted August 10, 2001 Report Share Posted August 10, 2001 after birendraji acknwoledged my heart felt desire to be called an astrologer, i want to tell you all about amrit siddhi yogs coming in the rest of the year. Amrit siddhi yogas are very auspicious to start sadhnas. all times are in IST. if any one outide india is confused about a conversion please send me a personal mail 10 days before the mahurat, and i will look up the exact starting ending time for you. amrit siddhi yog 10 sept 22.42 hrs to 11 sept sunrise 13 sept 20.10 hrs to 14 sept sun rise 6 oct 27.58 to 7 oct sunrise (in panchangs, the new date starts at sunrise. so basically this is ony for 1 hr or so) 8 oct sun rise to 9 oct 4.49 hrs 11 oct sunrise 12 oct 2.17 hrs 31 oct 6.33 hrs to 1 nov sunrise 3 nov 9.52 hrs to 4 nov sun rise 5 nov sun rise 5 nov 10.14 hrs 9 nov sun rise to 9 nov 9.16 hrs 11 nov 25.50 hrs to 12 nov sun rise 27 nov 14.50 hrs to 28 nov sun rise 1 dec sun rise to 1 dec 17,30 hrs 9 dec 8.03 hrs to 10 dec 6.44 hrs 13 dec 4.05 hrs 13 dec sunrise 25 dec sun rsie to 25 dec 25.37 hrs 2002 6 jan sun rise to 6 jan 12.07 9jan 10.26 hrs to 19 jan sunrise 22 jan sun rise to 22 jan 10.28 hrs 15 march 19.23 hrs to 16 march sun rise 12 apr sun rise to 3.14 hrs for personal consultaion, ie to check any of these times for your location please let me know where you are based, name of a bigger city near by and please mail me atleast 10 days before your chosen mahurat. wishes jai GURUDEV anu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2001 Report Share Posted August 10, 2001 jai Gurudev dear all, ashish you have good sense of humor, i apperciate it, well things are back to normal and lets continue our daily chores ... can any one find what is happening to anurag? i hope he is in delhi, he has not posted for quiet a long time, probably if any one can contact him , it would be nice that they volunteer to find out about him and post the members as what is happening to him. amit u still didnt reply.you can feel free to reply to my personal email id if you find it odd to post it here. anu finally and slowly the hidden astrolger in you has surfaced up to the members.Good for the members who are doing sadhnas. i have a sincere request for you , i always wanted to know about astrology but i find it too confusing and Gurudevs english book dosent help in getting basics. i dont understand much of hindi terminolgy, there are various differnt methodolgies. i think u follow Gurudevs methodolgy, i dont know whether you know about nadi astrology and ur impression about it. ifeel that you can share your astrology knowledge with us in trying to educate some of the members who may be interested in astrolgy to get their basics right so that can atleast make some sense of birth charts and predictions or understand some basic things i would call it a basic astrolgy lecture series( closest analogy) its not that you are trying to preach or that you are a great astrolger stuff , its like ur are trying to educate other ignorant members as to what it is so that they get more in tune with indian .. i dont know how busy u are ,besides its not a compulsion , but what i see is that it would be a useful thing to the interested members and lessen their fears in the subject, i really get traumatised when some one starts taking murats, yogs...., i am terribly ignorant and i tried few books but gave up as i was not satisfied with their explanation and besides Gurudev i dont believe in any author, becos i dont know their genuinity. so some effort from u in this direction would be of great value to members. Regarding your fees dont worry Gurudev will give you more than you merit ..... so give a serious thought and think of ur priorities, balance them well and can let us know.if there are any controversial issues that u may find inapppropriate to post here feel free to mail me at my personal mail id i feel that its a worthwhile effort. i hope other members agree. all of u pls ses mohan rathore email what do we have to do about it. love Jai Gurudev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2001 Report Share Posted August 10, 2001 JAI GURUDEV Dear Birendra, > ashish you have good sense of humor Thanks. > i apperciate it What? That I can be a really good detective? > can any one find what is happening to anurag? Unfortunately, Anurag has left this group a long ago. His last post was about starting a sub-group for discussions on promotion, websites etc. > i hope he is in delhi Perhaps, he is in Bangalore. > anu finally and slowly the hidden astrolger in you has surfaced up She is also a graduate in Artificial Intelligence and now, doing her masters along with her job (in a cybernetics company, I guess. WOW! She can create Terminators!). I would suggest her to concentrate on her studies first. Later, she may give me some Artificial Intelligence (since I lack the natural one) and teach us Astrology. How about you and your new job? Tell us more about it. When are you going to post something for Sadhak website? Have a great day. Ashish... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2001 Report Share Posted August 10, 2001 --dear birendraji, thank you. but like a good doctor i will not take up a case i cannot handle. honest to GOD and honest to GURUDEV i know so little that i cannot fool people in the name of knowing astrology. as for theses yogas are concerned neither i, nor shrivastav uncle nor any other pundit calculate them they are given in the panchang. i notice many poeple trust this panchang,i do not have the first page here. you can ask shrivastav uncle, almost every pandit i know in the delhi uses this one. it is publishes somewhere in punjab i believe. Birendraji, i have never seen the books by GURUdev on astrology though i would love too. what i kno wis very little and common practice. but i just would say one thing. be careful in going to pandits, and do not trust them like you trust an akashvani, they are also lomited very much usually because they have not learnt their lessons properly. for making sense of birth charts, i can tell you all i know in 1 go. the sky as we all know is divided into 12 rashish. it is also divided into 27 constellations like pushya , rohani, krittika etc. so each rashi owns approximately 2.5 nakshatra. in indian astrolgy, sun moves from 1 sign to the next on the sankranti. this 16th it will move from cancer to leo. all sankrantis are good mahurats for sadhnas. and sankrantis happen around 14 or 15 of each month. so your sun sign in indian astrolgy can be different from western astrolgy. eg i am born on 18th of may and my sun sign is tauras in both systems, but for ashish whi is born around 9 or 10th, it is airies in indian astrolgy and tauras in western. in indian astrolgy sun signs hold little importance. now please understand one thing. saturn stays in 1 sign for 2.5 yrs, them come s jupiter which stays in a sign for 1 year.. the planet which changes houses fastest is moon which stays in a a sign for about 2 3 days. so whay are we so worried about the exact time of birth? it is to calculate the ascendant. what is the ascendant, the ascendant is the first house and represents you. and the placing of the ascendant lord in a chart is very important. i will not confuse you on how to calculate ascendants but if you open your chart and see you will a countimng written on charts it goes as follows 1 aries mars 2 tauras venus 3 gemini mercury 4 cancer moon 5 leo sun 6 virgo mercury 7 libra venus 8 scorpio mars 9 sagittarius jupiter 10 capricorn saturn 11 aquarius saturn 12 pisces jupiter please remember to treat your lagnesh (ruling planet with respect..) it decides the overall tome of a chart. all planets are placed in various rashis, but they are alo placed in various nakshatras. these nakshatras also have role to play in the the quality of a planet for you, the second most important planet is rashi in which your moon is placed. your nakshatra is usually the nakshatra in which your moon is placed. all marriage matching is done on the basis of these nakshtars ie nakshtra of the girl and the boy. because moon represents the mind. to ignore the lagnesh and other planets is at least according to me being very limited. then there are yog karak planets, so eg for some one with libran ascendant, saturn is a yog karak planet and not malefic. but it depends on the placemnt in the chart. it is conpletely stupid to ask question like what is in my 2nd house etc. you have to first se what each planet represents in the chart. also, where is the deposditer. ie if my sun is in tauras you have to see hwere venus is to understand the implication. but that is not all depositor of venus is nand so on. what each house represents is given in the web. then there are other charts like navamansha which is considered very important as it deals with bhagya and spouse etc there are others too for every aspect of your life. not only that all human beings run mahadashas of various planets. i do not remember the exact duration of each but i think the order for some norn in mars nakshatra will be mars (some part), rahu jupiter saturn mercury ketu venus and so on the total time is 120 yrs more than a human lifetime. each mahadasha is further divided into antardasha. treat these planets with respect too. they will have a lot of say in what is happening in your life at present. it is a messy world out there and i have given up. only i know enough to ask a pandit to explain to me what he is saying, and ask some questions when needed. > i know i made it messy, sorry for that. but i need to learn a lot before a teach anyone. however if you are intersted in knowing what your lagnesh, moon sign and mahadasha is just send me the deatils exact time place of birth along with date of birth and i will end you your chart back but i really cannot interpret it sorry for that wishes jai GURUDEV anu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2001 Report Share Posted August 10, 2001 Jai Gurudev dear ashish, > Unfortunately, Anurag has left this group a long ago. His last post > was about starting a sub-group for discussions on promotion, websites > etc. > > > i hope he is in delhi > > Perhaps, he is in Bangalore. does any one have his email id/contact no?and its better if they would post me to my mail id. > > > anu finally and slowly the hidden astrolger in you has surfaced up hmm good discovery by the group.good for the group. > She is also a graduate in Artificial Intelligence and now, >doing .her > masters along with her job (in a cybernetics company, I guess. internship or real job ,the one for which result was awaited?? >WOW! > She can create Terminators!). yeah probably, but i really dont know what inspired her to take artificial intelligence and i am really curious what sort of industries are involved that could use her knowledge/expertise i can think of immediately one which is washing machine (fuzzy logic stuff) but what could be the other things???? >I would suggest her to concentrate on > her studies first. yeah, i really dont know what stage of career she is and what her priorities are that is why i told in my post that it was not a compulsion and gave her the option to let us know her descision whatever it may be would be respected and welcome, and wish and hope that she could get some time to do such useful work in near future Later, she may give me some Artificial > Intelligence (since I lack the natural one) and teach us Astrology. yeah i agree completly with you, that you are in real need of some intelligence, probably her A.I could really help you out. > How about you and your new job? Tell us more about it. Gurudev's grace, going on well right now.Future is left to Gurudev. its a proteomics/systems biology company trying to identify targets (genes and protiens....) on disease by disease basis ,iam the part of inhouse bioinformatics/informatics team. its a startup company. if it succeeds it will be a great thing , other wise..... life is a circle going round and round infinitly and Gurudev is the only way to break it. Got to break it sooooooooooooon. without Gurudev world is the most insecure place............. When are you > going to post something for Sadhak website? i have some good PDF files which i can send u, other than that iam a real ZERO. i dont find myself at home in doing sadhanas ,i find love , seva towards Gurudev more natural and comfartble to me, and basically a sadhana is directed to particular diety, some mantra...., my problem is i really cant visualize any diety other than Gurudev its my limitation and i dont feel like chanting any mantra other than Gurumantra in the worst case of trouble, iam very inflexible in this aspect ,basically i leave all my problems to Gurudev what ever he wishes to solve them ,i really take delight in doing some seva for him whatever/whenever he wants it. basically i am tryiing to establish my self as a resource which would take a few years if Gurudev wants, based on which some solid seva can happen in future,right now i have lot of responisbilites to be taken care ... hope the days i dream of doing seva comes soon and true... iam anxiously waiting for that day how nice it would have been if we could just fastforward to that day right now. THE BASIC ASTROLOGY SERIES WOULD BE OF USE TO SADHAK SITE, I WAS TARGETTING IT FOR SADHAK SITE. becos i really dont know the A,B,C of astrology and its so confusing and complicated , i really think its a worth wile effort for people like me. i hope business is going well for Mr CEO of Twarit tech. you can mail me to my personal mail if i can be of some help, i will give it my best shot. love Jai Gurudev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2001 Report Share Posted August 11, 2001 JAI GURUDEV Dear Biru, > does any one have his email id/contact no?and its better if they > would post me to my mail id. Search this group for his messages. His phone number is in his signature. > internship or real job ,the one for which result was awaited?? Yes, the real one. > yeah probably, but i really dont know what inspired her to take > artificial intelligence and i am really curious what sort of > industries are involved that could use her knowledge/expertise > i can think of immediately one which is washing machine (fuzzy > logic stuff) > but what could be the other things???? How about BiCMOS chips? > Gurudev's grace, going on well right now. Congratulations and good luck. > i hope business is going well for Mr CEO of Twarit tech. After recent talks with Nand Kishore Guruji, it's gearing up real fast. Now, Mr. CEO aka Ashish is working on another project. > you can mail me to my personal mail if i can be of some help, > i will give it my best shot. Thanks. I would surely seek you for help. Have a nice weekend. Ashish... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2001 Report Share Posted August 12, 2001 >like a good doctor i will not take up a case i cannot >handle. we recognise that u are good doctor. > yogas are concerned neither i, nor shrivastav uncle nor any other > pundit calculate them they are given in the panchang. i notice many > poeple trust this panchang,i do not have the first page here. you can > ask shrivastav uncle, almost every pandit i know in the delhi uses > this one. it is publishes somewhere in punjab i believe. how do you test the geniunity of calculations in pachang in all aspects from most common ones to the sophisticated calculations. did Gurudev recommend any specific alamancs/panchangs. i for sure know that all panchangs are not of same quality.And the quality panchang is not 100% true probably. Any how people like you who are interested/knowledge in astrology should do more authentic work in the future,you know that Gurudev's inspiration to go back to Rishis was the worry in his mind about the lost parts of indian astrolgy which where not in practise and he thought that if it would not be revived it would be soon lost. Even after Gurudev left its a sad thing to note that no one has really picked on astrolgy that would be useful to the common people in solving their problems.Forget about sanayasi shisyas in Himalayas they are not in the mainstream so of no immediate use to us. well i think you dont know much about nadi astrolgy. > > i have never seen the books by GURUdev on astrology though > i would love too. surprised to learn that. INDIAN ASTROLOGY by sahni publications is by Bade Gurudev. it cost Rs 45, i dont know if its still in publication right now, 2 yrs back it was. And i have seen 3-4 hindi books "ank pradeepika" , i dont remember the other names probably other members would know it. what i kno wis very little and common practice. but > i just would say one thing. be careful in going to pandits, and do not > trust them like you trust an akashvani, they are also lomited very > much usually because they have not learnt their lessons properly. > > > for making sense of birth charts, i can tell you all i know in 1 go. we will follow your advise, Thanks so much for the sincere,innocent prompt effort.I hope to have learnt few a,b, c of astrolgy and other members might also might havealso , if i start having doubts ill get back to u.it will take some time in digesting the whole stuff. once you have time and settled you can try to put up a "GLOSSARY OF ASTROLOGY" > > the sky as we all know is divided into 12 rashish. it is also divided > into 27 constellations like pushya , rohani, krittika etc. so each > rashi owns approximately 2.5 nakshatra....... ashish can you take the content of this mail and post in sadhaks website as "ASTROLOGY GETTING STARTED" She has put in lot of energy let this not be wasted. Anu from my heart i want you to attain prosperity,happiness and see you do more Gurusseva so that lot of people get benfitted and Gurudev is happy, defenitely you have Gurudevs blessings and a great future. For any help/ proposing a new idea for seva feel free to do so.you are always welcome Love Jai Gurudev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2001 Report Share Posted August 12, 2001 dear ashish, > > Search this group for his messages. His phone number is in his > signature. i will do that , if i have problem ill let you know. > > > internship or real job ,the one for which result was awaited?? > > Yes, the real one. she didnt tell it right?mischeivious > How about BiCMOS chips? i dont understand the technical details but CMOS has got to do something with semiconductor design so is she hard wiring AI into chips?? > Congragulations and good luck. > thank you and same to you After recent talks with Nand Kishore Guruji, it's gearing up real > fast. Now, Mr. CEO aka Ashish is working on another project. > > > you can mail me to my personal mail if i can be of some help, > > i will give it my best shot. > > Thanks. I would surely seek you for help. Have a nice weekend. > you are welcome, is your 2 nd project related or is it diversified you are always welcome love Jai Gurudev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2001 Report Share Posted August 13, 2001 > > how do you test the geniunity of calculations in pachang in all > aspects from most common ones to the sophisticated calculations. yes, it is true that there are more than one systems. but apparently, this panchang i have, one on the net, an astrology site GURUdham all use the same. so i do not worry. apparently, i calculating birth charts, there are more than 1 ayamanshas in use. they can give some very different results in dashas and navamashas etc. i asked shrivastav uncle which one he uses he told me about one popular in the north. they are called ayamanshas. birendraji, my interest in astrology is limited to find good mahurats, and understand mahurats. as far as charts are concerned, i do not believe in a predestined future. i will not give up my right to changhe destiny by karma. i can only talk about rough patches, and appropriate measures, to help sail through. > > well i think you dont know much about nadi astrolgy. > > no, i do not know about it. i read my mail again, it was poorly written, and unclear. i did not for example tell you that the no. in the top most khana will tell you your janma lagna. i have put off learning astrology to when i am old. not for the next 10 years atleast. > Anu from my heart i want you to attain prosperity,happiness and see > you do more Gurusseva so that lot of people get benefitted and Gurudev > is happy, defenitely you have Gurudevs blessings and a great future. > For any help/ proposing a new idea for seva feel free to do so. birendraji, thank you very very much for your wishes. i do not know about seva. the truth is that i am too selfish to think about seva. i am much too engrossed in my own life. in fact whenever i wrote here the last thing on my mind was seva. birendraji, to tell you the truth, i am not made of the guru bhakta matter. i do not surrender to anything, or anyone. though i envy you people who have so much devotion, as your path is much easier in sadhnas and in life. i would however, if practical, happily help another soul in need. come on, the supreme element- Guru does not need your help or seva. neither does actually the down trodden man walking down the street. at the most you can be a mere instrument of The supreme to help this man. Always remember to be grateful for the oppotunity. i think you people are very fortunate. you met one great person, and you found yourself totally devoted to Him. your salvation is guaranteed. i am (un)fortunate enough to have met/ grown under 3. and wherever there is more than 1 there is comparison and confusion. i consider them all to be my gurus. To me Guru is the deep inner self which takes various external forms to show you the path to divinity. therefore before i accepted Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimaali as my GURU i went to a shiva temple and said. "if lord shiva and Dr. narayan dutt shrimaali are the same, then may Lord shiva be my guru" "if lord shiva and Dr. narayan dutt shrimaali are different, then may Lord shiva be my guru" love anu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2001 Report Share Posted August 14, 2001 dear anu, >one on the net, an astrology > site GURUdham all use the same. what is the website can you let us know? > birendraji, my interest in astrology is limited to find good mahurats, > and understand mahurats. your intention of finding Good muraths for best utilisation of time can be understood. >as far as charts are concerned, i do not > believe in a predestined future. i will not give up my right to > changhe destiny by karma. i can only talk about rough patches, and > appropriate measures, to help sail through. yeah i think that was what astrology orginally meant for."LIGHT TO LEAD YOUR WAY IN DARKNESS ".... > > > > > > well i think you dont know much about nadi astrolgy. > > > > no, i do not know about it. well nadi astrology can be thought as a culmination of astrology or height of astrology.i too dont know much about it but what i know is that that our Rishis have identified certain set of patterns and occurances that do not change/independent of time,they just cycle round and round , similar to like we are having seasons every year summer winter rainy spring and each year it reapeats ,so in a similar sense, based on the time of entry of a person at a particular place say a nadi astrologer place his pattern of past future and present are matched with time of entry using a catalog of patterns(which are called BHRIGU NADI,PARASARA NADI....) there are i think 12 of them of which 3 are considered to be authentic out of which the above 2 belong to that group so it takes around 8-9 hrs of interpretation and once the interpretation is started it should not stop, i have seen it happen to on of my fellows and its authtentic but the person interpreting it should be of the calibre of BADE GURUDEV.its a very difficult thing. this is just an information for you people > > i read my mail again, it was poorly written, and unclear. i did not > for example tell you that the no. in the top most khana will tell you > your janma lagna. well do you want to add some more things to that or do you want me to make it an article and post it to sadhak website. > the truth is that i am too selfish to think about seva. it dosennt appear that you are that selfish,other wise you would not be wastiing your time over this issp list. > i am not made of the guru bhakta matter. i dont know what it means by Guru bhakta , i only know that i love Gurudev it may radha krishna type of prem or Gurusishya prem,,.... i dont know. >i do not surrender to > anything, or anyone. though i envy you people who have so much > devotion, as your path is much easier in sadhnas and in life. To me devotion is working for your beloved directly and indirectly whole heartedly and sincerly.i see that you are surrendered to Gurudev /Lord shiva no one is 100% but if you are in the path progressing that is surrender. it dosent happen in one day it builds on and on... until you finally merge into Gurudev/LORD SHIVA > i would however, if practical, happily help another soul in need. continue that, for me its an act of devotion you may not see it, but i see it and i dont know how to differentiate it from devotion. > come on, the supreme element- Guru does not need your help or seva. i dont know what you meant by this, i agree that God is powerful and infinite and master of universe...and dosent need anyone to help him but you have to understand that this world is a play a stage where we act and fulfill Gods characters and Avtara purushas,bhaktas,siddhasram vasis come here to participate in play and set an example as to the ethical rules of the play, which can be called as dharma like respect parents, care and love brothers and sisters ....(ex set by MARYADA PURUSHOTTAMA RAMA)so on and soforth, besides reducing the suffering and pain of the down trodden.(fixing the play and keeping in proper track) In reality there is nothing called universe/universes or there is ONE AND ONLY BRAHMAN AT ALL TIMES SO WE ARE ALL THE SAME ONE.but we see it different due to illusion , its all play ,so anu in a play to participate Gurudev needs people he cant force people to participate in play becos it would be unfair and that is the reason he has given the free will to do what ever we want like in your own words"CHANGE THE DESTINY" free will differentiates us from animals and how can it be called a free will if he enforces you to play to his liking. so i hope you can see the point if not let me know. we by our own will like a responsible , good ... should recgonise lord in the human form and act sensibly to his needs, he will give indications and we should catch that. based on this only the grading of sishyas is done there are 3 gradings 1)sishya who acts just by catching his clue 2)sishya who acts only when he is told by Gurudev to do so 3)sishya who dosent act inspite of Gurudev telling him to do so That is the reason when Gurudev tells that i come to your hearts door and knock at it and its for us to come out and recieve him and invite him into our heart. why does God do all this , do you think he cant just force himself in , it makes no sense, then it dosent look like play there is no fun in it.there is no bhavana in that play, no madhurata in that play anu to understand it take the analogy of the play. as we require lords love similarly he requires our love, that is why radha krishna prem is the culmination of one ot one love with the lord, lord always used to think/chant(its very appropriate) radha radha radha... that was the reason why many of Lord krishnas wives were irritated as to why he does lot of radha radha when they were serving him sincerly , whole heartedly, they were jealous and confused as to why does lord does not take thier name not even once for ex rukmini rukmini > neither does actually the down trodden man walking down the street. > at the most you can be a mere instrument of The supreme to help this > man. Always remember to be grateful for the oppotunity. continue doing that > > i think you people are very fortunate. you met one great person, and > you found yourself totally devoted to Him. your salvation is > guaranteed. i am (un)fortunate enough to have met/ grown under 3. and > wherever there is more than 1 there is comparison and confusion. well you dont know that i too have 3 of them each as powerful and lively as the other.so you are not unfortunate you are fortunate. its like God is showering on you Gurudevs i think its the highest blessing. can you tell me who are the 3 ,if not here you can mail me in some detail to my account birendra_m all are great, time will prove, so one should not confuse, to learn this lesson it took a lot of time for me i > consider them all to be my gurus. To me Guru is the deep inner self > which takes various external forms to show you the path to divinity. that is the same conclusion and philoshphy of my serving 3 Gurudevs or whatever the no may be in future. > therefore before i accepted Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimaali as my GURU i > went to a shiva temple and said. > "if lord shiva and Dr. narayan dutt shrimaali are the same, then may > Lord shiva be my guru" > "if lord shiva and Dr. narayan dutt shrimaali are different, then > may Lord shiva be my guru" i too was shiva bhakta and had seen 4/12 jyotir lingas even though i met Gurudev, for me BADE GURUDEV= LORD SHIVA, and gradually my devotion became one pointed to BADE GURUDEV itself, do you still continue to think lord shiva as your GURU or ...(see the last line) love jai Gurudev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2001 Report Share Posted August 14, 2001 --- I > dear anu, > > >one on the net, an astrology > > site GURUdham all use the same. > what is the website can you let us know? > > sure i use www.vedicfuture.com for panchang, the advantage is that it gives unlimited amount of days together. the disadvantage is that you are supposed to make head or tail out of it yourself. i use www.astroexpert.com for checking the sky by going to birth horoscopes and giving the details of the day and place i wish to check. advantage execellent perhaps the best in generating charts. disad make head or tail yourself. they write some 2 pages but do not go too much by it. i, madhuri dixit, mahatma gandhi and adolf hitler will get the same statements as we are born in the same lagna. but it is really good. this time i printed my chart from this verysite and gave it gurudev to ask his opinion. he was very pleased to see a chart which need not be kept carefully to be returned. and shrivastav uncle too brought a fat book and said it was correct, it gives choices of all ayamanshas (4 of them). also the astrologer who answers queries in please explain is really very bright, but he rejects most questions. he also had a free book on astrology, i have respect for this man. he seems to be learned and eccentric. perhaps they go together. > > birendraji, my interest in astrology is limited to find good > mahurats, > > and understand mahurats. > > your intention of finding Good muraths for best utilisation of time > can be understood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i read my mail again, it was poorly written, and unclear. i did not > > for example tell you that the no. in the top most khana will tell > you > > your janma lagna. > > > well do you want to add some more things to that or do you want me > to make it an article and post it to sadhak website. neither, it is not worth the effort. i refuse to give it my name. you can post it with you as the author. that is fine with me. > > > > the truth is that i am too selfish to think about seva. > > it dosennt appear that you are that selfish appearances can be deceptive. in astrolgy do you that apart from what you are, they also fine an arudha lagna for the projected personality. may be i am amaster at projecting the right image because dep down i am so cunning. ,other wise you would not > be wastiing your time over this issp list. > > i do so because i am a fool and there are mails addressed to me. > > i am not made of the guru bhakta matter. > > To me devotion is working for your beloved directly and indirectly > whole heartedly and sincerly. i see that you are the bhakta matter, that is a very high quallity matter despite what people here think, the essence of every good emotion is self less bahkti. i see that you are surrendered to Gurudev > /Lord shiva no one is 100% but if you are in the path progressing that > is surrender. it dosent happen in one day it builds on and on... > until you finally merge into Gurudev/LORD SHIVA no birendraji, i will never give up my right to reason and think as long as there is consciousness. and it is not my nature. yes, what i will feel in asuperconscious state i do not know. > ....(ex set by MARYADA PURUSHOTTAMA RAMA)so on and soforth, > besides reducing the suffering and pain of the down trodden.(fixing > the play and keeping in proper track) > In reality there is nothing called universe/universes or there is ONE > AND ONLY BRAHMAN AT ALL TIMES SO WE ARE ALL THE SAME ONE. yes, yes we hear it all the time, not good enough, give me one good reason why i should give up what i see as reality, for what some sanskrit verses say. ok, try saying that when some one close to you is in an emergency ward, when your business is failing, or when a beautiful girl smiles to you with extra softness. we are way below that state if there is that state, let us first face reality as we see it. thenwe will worry about how budhdha saw it. it > d that is the reason he has given > the free will to do what ever we want like in your own words"CHANGE > THE DESTINY" > free will differentiates us from animals and how can it be called a > free will if he enforces you to play to his liking. > YES BOSS! > so i hope you can see the point if not let me know. no i saw it. thank you. > as we require lords love similarly he requires our love, that is why > radha krishna prem is the culmination of one ot one love with the > lord, > lord always used to think/chant(its very appropriate) radha radha > radha... that was the reason why many of Lord krishnas wives were > irritated as to why he does lot of radha radha when they were serving > him sincerly , whole heartedly, they were jealous and confused as to > why does lord does not take > thier name not even once for ex rukmini rukmini > i would find it very difficult too. ek to 15999 sauten oopar se yeh radha. that was a tough era for women whatever you people may say. ever wonder why chastity and similar things are considered only the duty of women in the stories we are taught. radha was the ideal of highest love. she loved this man, was married to someone else her love was the love that asks not, where there is no pain, which is beyond the capacity of most humans. have you ever thought why there are apsara sadhnas for "gratification" of men? women do not need it. come on, divine or highly handsome or kaam dev or whatever. i love a man matter closed. then kaam dev becomes kaam dev bhaiya. how about urvashi didi? .. can you tell me who are the 3 ,if not here you can mail me > in some detail to my account birendra_m no, i do not want to. > > > i too was shiva bhakta and had seen 4/12 jyotir lingas even though > i met Gurudev, for me BADE GURUDEV= LORD SHIVA, and gradually my > devotion became one pointed to BADE GURUDEV itself, > do you still continue to think lord shiva as your GURU or . ..(see the > last line) > dear birendraji, you have already forgotten your philosophy of all being one by the time you finishes writing this mail. i do not worry about that. and i am way too low to be called a shivabhakta or guru bhakta. itry to listen to my inner voice, there is no difference between the voice within and the voice without. it is the same as the trimurti gurus you are referring to. > love jai GURUDEV anu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2001 Report Share Posted August 14, 2001 dear anu, > > > > >one on the net, an astrology > > > site GURUdham all use the same. > > what is the website can you let us know? > > > > > > sure i use www.vedicfuture.com for panchang, the advantage is that > it gives unlimited amount of days together. the disadvantage is that > you are supposed to make head or tail out of it yourself. i use > www.astroexpert.com for checking the sky by going to birth horoscopes > and giving the details of the day and place i wish to check. > advantage execellent perhaps the best in generating charts. > disad make head or tail yourself. they write some 2 pages but do not > go too much by it. i, madhuri dixit, mahatma gandhi and adolf hitler > will get the same statements as we are born in the same lagna. > > but it is really good. this time i printed my chart from this verysite > and gave it gurudev to ask his opinion. he was very pleased to see a > chart which need not be kept carefully to be returned. and shrivastav > uncle too brought a fat book and said it was correct, it gives choices > of all ayamanshas (4 of them). also the astrologer who answers queries > in please explain is really very bright, but he rejects most > questions. he also had a free book on astrology, i have respect for > this man. he seems to be learned and eccentric. perhaps they go > together. > > thank you for the advantages and disadvanatages of the sites and their names i hope members would find it useful. in a way learning and eccentricity go hand in hand , but i think an eccentric/learned person doesnt believe that , its probably true in relative to the low learned person. who knows they may find us eccentric (though in a negative sense). > > neither, it is not worth the effort. i refuse to give it my name. you > can post it with you as the author. that is fine with me. > ok u dont want to take the bad name instead you are happy when others get the bad name , dont bother just kidding i think u told charanjit 4 weeks... if u are unable to that i would go ahead and post it, something is better than nothing.praobaly ashish and charanjit would feel happy from my posting. > > the truth is that i am too selfish to think about seva. > > > > it dosennt appear that you are that selfish > appearances can be deceptive. in astrolgy do you that apart from what > you are, they also fine an arudha lagna for the projected personality. > may be i am amaster at projecting the right image because dep down i > am so cunning. i see that you have found issp members as scapegoats and trying to play the game of projection.members be aware of anu she is cunning from inside. i see your point, yeah people we come across can really be cunning its our karma/Gurudevs grace which saves us from those people/or astrologlers like you who figure out and warn yourselves/others. > > ,other wise you would not > > be wastiing your time over this issp list. > > > > i do so because i am a fool and there are mails addressed to me. fool can be interpreted as service oriented indirectly... > the essence of every good > emotion is self less bahkti. point to note and ponder, i am trying to understand... > > > i see that you are surrendered to > Gurudev > > /Lord shiva no one is 100% but if you are in the path progressing > that > > is surrender. it dosent happen in one day it builds on and on... > > until you finally merge into Gurudev/LORD SHIVA > > > no birendraji, i will never give up my right to reason and think as > long as there is consciousness. and it is not my nature. yes, what i > will feel in asuperconscious state i do not know. > well at some point(meditation point) you have to give up, that is what meditation is, generally you may reach meditation in any way the path that lead to meditation may be different but the goal is the same(merging into absolute) take for example chanting Gurumantra ... as you increase its frequency you beocome more and more one pointed, in a way you are drying your thoughts by focussing ur efforts in reciting the mantra..... that is why in mantra yoga the dosage is usually big enough in lakhs atleat to see some effect, this is actaully an indirect way of nulling thoughts and later gradually merging in that , i dont know how many people recgonise and agree to that but... as u know there are many ways to reach ther probably KARMA YOGA, RAJAYOGA, MANTRA YOGA ...i dont know something would suit you that does a smooth transition of you to that stage... no one is invincible.Every thing has to transform forcibly /unfororcibly at the end of the play. i think JNANA YOGA should help you out, the only basic in this yoga is question WHO AM I, so anu applying your case who is the I in the sentence" I will never give up my right to reason and think...." just trying to provide you clues which may reduce confusion.... it may work or it may not.i dont know > > ...(ex set by MARYADA PURUSHOTTAMA RAMA)so on and soforth, > > besides reducing the suffering and pain of the down trodden. (fixing > > the play and keeping in proper track) > > In reality there is nothing called universe/universes or there is > ONE > > AND ONLY BRAHMAN AT ALL TIMES SO WE ARE ALL THE SAME ONE. > > > yes, yes we hear it all the time, not good enough, give me one good > reason why i should give up what i see as reality, for what some > sanskrit verses say. ok, try saying that when some one close to you is > in an emergency ward, when your business is failing, or when a > beautiful girl smiles to you with extra softness.we are way below > that state if there is that state, let us first face reality as we see > it. thenwe will worry about how budhdha saw it. > it its a common thing to hear that, yeah i was referring that one in relative to illusion , its true that we are always below that stage though its not reality, i know that you would be telling that it dosent make sense practically but truth is that we have to leave that one day or the other either we decide to leave it gradually or in one/few shots(in Gurudevs words its described as "JHATKA LAGNA")its our will or Gurudevs will (becos he accepted us as his disciples) as to when we would leave that reality and come to REALITY or start worrying about Buddha. Its very difficult to leave that but what i feel is that there is pain only during the transforming stage and short lived and after that there is nothing, because your context of i has changed to I(Brahman). > > > as we require lords love similarly he requires our love, that is why > > radha krishna prem is the culmination of one ot one love with the > > lord, > > lord always used to think/chant(its very appropriate) radha radha > > radha... that was the reason why many of Lord krishnas wives were > > irritated as to why he does lot of radha radha when they were > serving > > him sincerly , whole heartedly, they were jealous and confused as to > > why does lord does not take > > thier name not even once for ex rukmini rukmini > > > i would find it very difficult too. ek to 15999 sauten oopar se yeh > radha. yeah its difficult to remember such a big list , but still it was radha radha why? >that was a tough era for women whatever you people may say. i dont know much about that and the later eras > ever wonder why chastity and similar things are considered only the > duty of women in the stories we are taught. i too have that doubt. > radha was the ideal of > highest love. she loved this man, was married to someone else well was she married to some one else ? how sure are you and how authentic it is ? well i dont know about the radha's marraige. > her love > was the love that asks not, where there is no pain, which is beyond > the capacity of most humans. yeah defenitely tough to be a radha not an easy task. >have you ever thought why there are > apsara sadhnas for "gratification" of men? women do not need it. well i have heard of it , but i dont know how true it is. >come > on, divine or highly handsome or kaam dev or whatever. yeah if your gratification story is true than there should be some kamdev sadhana for women.... other wise it would be unfair then it leads to the logic that men and women born equal (then which is the case if kamdev sadhana is there.( i think there should be some sadhana , we have to search )). then i run into doubt if men and woman are equal then why are they given 2 different forms why not the same form.... there is some thing here that we dont know.... probably ask Gurudev.. it would be a good question > i love a man > matter closed. then kaam dev becomes kaam dev bhaiya. how about > urvashi didi? fair enough > > > > > > > > > i too was shiva bhakta and had seen 4/12 jyotir lingas even though > > i met Gurudev, for me BADE GURUDEV= LORD SHIVA, and gradually my > > devotion became one pointed to BADE GURUDEV itself, > > do you still continue to think lord shiva as your GURU or . .. (see > the > > last line) > > > > dear birendraji, you have already forgotten your philosophy of all > being one by the time you finishes writing this mail. i do not worry > about that. becos you dont worry i dont want detail it out i was referring only to siva Gurudev concept and it was in no way realtion to the other 2 gurudevs, in one go mypoint is if (Gurudev= shiva ) then Gurudev. becos i cant see siva (i mean live form with out much effort) so Gurudev is more lively ,so worshiping live figure rather than siva in temples was logical to me, so gradually my focus shifted from going to siva temples(non live image) to going to Gurudev (live image). and i am way too low to be called a shivabhakta or guru > bhakta. itry to listen to my inner voice, there is no difference > between the voice within and the voice without. it is the same as the > trimurti gurus you are referring to. true, i too am not bhatkta i aspire to be, hope it happens... love jai GURUDEV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2001 Report Share Posted August 15, 2001 --- dear birendraji, thank you for your inspiring discussion. i feel enlightened and agree with all you say. > i think JNANA YOGA should help you out, therein lies the secret of projection. no, i am very emotional person. my way out will not be by brain. my brain is my limitation in the spiritual path. yeah its difficult to remember such a big list , but still it was > radha radha why? > why were there 16000 others?? i will tell you. the essence of radha's life is love. the essence of krishna's life is non attachment. all his life he lived as if this world is an illusion. he never forgot it. > > well i dont know about the radha's marraige. > ah ha, i love that discomfort. well, i was not present there, and am not a kaal gyani. but that is the popular lore. go and talk to some one in brindaban. there was also an article on radha's prayog's in 200 th isue and the one before that, that talks about her being married to some one else( a baniya near by). i will give you one more shock, there is discussion about whether she was already married while she was with krishna, or whether she was single. my very dear and very learned friend from brindaban says that she had 2 nand (sisters in law) called jatila and kutila. anyway, also remember one thing. hindus are master story tellers. and tories are meaning less. there was a book ( avery good one) i read about gayatri. it is not by some common publication or by some big author. in fact i never saw it being sold again.some one was sitting and selling it on the pavemment. i bought two volumes. but there were others. when i read the books and found them so good, they detail all uses of gayatri, it's purushcharan with the shloks. i went back in a few days and more than once to buy the others but the guy who sold them never came back it tells of 24 shaktis of gayatri radha is prem shakti ram is maryada shakti. but despite it all, ram's greatness though evident in his life is less than evident. poor hindus. the way they twist and twirl their moral rules to explain the actions of their GODs. come what may i am not convinced by the killing of bali, the fire ordeal of Sita and her subsequent disownment. the essence of understanding ram does not lie in intellect or in a story called ramayan. for that you sit down and repeat ram, ram. the feeling the illumination that comes subsequently is ram. is liye kahte hain-- ram se bara ram ka naam jis sagar ko bina setu ke langh sake na ram langh gaye hanuman usi ko le ke ram ka naam. ( translated roughly it says that the name of ram is greater than ram. but the actual meaning is that your own faith in ram will take you to the shore. ram needed a stu ( a bridge) to cross over to lanka, but hanuman was able to cross it over without any help just by praying to ram) therefore have faith. be it in GURUdev, or your deity, or yourself it does not matter. it will take you to your goals and the other shore, wherever it is. > yeah defenitely tough to be a radha not an easy task. in all history there was only 1 radha. > > > i love a man > > matter closed. then kaam dev becomes kaam dev bhaiya. how about > > urvashi didi? > > fair enough > > dhanyavaad. your wife's very lucky. > if (Gurudev= shiva ) > then > Gurudev. i like this if then code.. and yes i agree with it. > > > true, i too am not bhatkta i aspire to be, hope it happens... > it will definitely happen, you are a bhakta, despite what you believe. the only one in our discussion list. you have the easiest path. jai GURUDEV love anu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2001 Report Share Posted August 15, 2001 dear anu, i have written one more mail, probably it got accidently deleted in which i tried to round up certain question which i felt that i did not answer to my satisfaction, besides i was in hurry/jovial mode in my reply so wrote a 2 nd one, any how i am trying to reproduce what i have written in that >the essence of every good > emotion is self less bahkti. you are very much true,emotion is the basis of bhakti and emotion to be good should be not selfish it should directed towards Gurudev or a good cause .So as you said bhakti is a(good) selfless emotion. > ...(ex set by MARYADA PURUSHOTTAMA RAMA)so on and soforth, > > besides reducing the suffering and pain of the down trodden. (fixing > > the play and keeping in proper track) > > In reality there is nothing called universe/universes or there is > ONE > > AND ONLY BRAHMAN AT ALL TIMES SO WE ARE ALL THE SAME ONE. > > > yes, yes we hear it all the time, not good enough, give me one good > reason why i should give up what i see as reality, for what some > sanskrit verses say. ok, try saying that when some one close to you is > in an emergency ward, when your business is failing, iam trying to give one good reason... The people born can be safely divided into 2 categories 1)avtara purushas 2)ordinary people in category 1 people like Lord krishna are born in higher consciousness so difficulties that appear to ordinary people like us are not infact difficulties to them as there is no illusion to them, in the same category 1 we have great beings like Vyasa, Adisankaracharya these people attain higher conscouness at very easy pace at small age so by the age they get difficulties they have enough purushtva to solve their own problems for ex take viswamitra he had enough purushatva to write laksmi tantra to overcome poverty situation. so we should not bother category 1 people becos they are few and even if present have resources/knowledge to tackle them coming to 2 category people like us your very argument(emergency ward, financial..) is a proof that attaining such a state is difficult without the help of Gurudev. we own our own cannot do it,its almost impossible as you know that is why its written in scriptres without a Guru liberation is not possible. so a Guru acts as a resource/buffer in trying to solve certain serious problems like financial/severe health... problems (atleast Gurudev has solved some of my sincere seriou problems) and at the same time in addition to that he will be leading us to liberation so this takes place gradually(dosent happen in a day so no reason to panic)becos its not practical for ordinary humans like us to concentrate on God/liberation when being pounded by some genuine problems you mentioned above. regarding the beautiful girl smiling/talking in softness scenario i think is not a genuine problem but a serious problem can be solved if one is doing Guruseva/ or one is in constant physical contact with Gurudev even then if its not getting solved its time for him to get married even after marraige if its not getting solved he has to go for children and even then also if its not solved... >when a > beautiful girl smiles to you with extra softness. God has to figure a way out , he has serious character development problems. >We are way below > that state if there is that state, let us first face reality as we see > it. thenwe will worry about how budhdha saw it. we have a Gurudev, we are doing Guruseva soon or later will get married,sooner or later will have children(just mattter of few years) then we will become way above ,then where we are now . then its left to your free will/Gurudev's will(becos he has accepted us as disciples) whether to start worrying about buddha or not , though we are below right now, i think its not that far away, just few years away(atleast for me) > > thier name not even once for ex rukmini rukmini > > > i would find it very difficult too. ek to 15999 sauten oopar se yeh > radha. that was a tough era for women whatever you people may say. > ever wonder why chastity and similar things are considered only the > duty of women in the stories we are taught. radha was the ideal of > highest love. she loved this man, was married to someone else her love > was the love that asks not, where there is no pain, which is beyond > the capacity of most humans. have you ever thought why there are > apsara sadhnas for "gratification" of men? women do not need it. i dont know about men and women equality, in ideal case there should be but i dont know what it is , becos i heard one Gurudev telling that its not equal , i dont know, probably i might have misunderstood him, any how at that time i was not that much bothered to ask him besides i was slightly afraid of Gurudev i gave a serious thought and i made an obsrvation which goes like this in the whole history there are more male sages than the females sages and hopefully the apsara sadhana should have been written by a male sage and to write a kamdev sadhana there should be a female sage i think they were few at that time besides there could have not been dispute on this topic or the concept of women could have been different or after writing of the apsara sadhana no female sage should have been born to address this inequlity or female sishyas were not bold enough to bring it to the notice of Gurudev so that he could have a solution for them so its high time some one should address this issue... if this is a issue at all.. it could also be that it already exists and one has to dig it out... it can be anything its a sensible question ask Gurudev come > on, divine or highly handsome or kaam dev or whatever. i love a man > matter closed. then kaam dev becomes kaam dev bhaiya. how about > urvashi didi? > . i dont of this hypotetical gratifciation situation, i dont find the lover to didi/bhaya transformation concept appropriate. > with all you say. > > i think JNANA YOGA should help you out, > therein lies the secret of projection. no, i am very emotional > person. my way out will not be by brain. my brain is my limitation in > the spiritual path. good enough that you figured it out. i agree. > > yeah its difficult to remember such a big list , but still it was > > radha radha why? > > > why were there 16000 others?? i dont know whether its 16000, i believe that he had 8 wives, rest probably story.. even if true i believe that ordinary mortals cant understand that secret.... should ask Gurudev > > i will tell you. the essence of radha's life is love. the essence of > krishna's life is non attachment. all his life he lived as if this > world is an illusion. he never forgot it. true enogh, i think people at that age didnt understand that and interpreted his action wrongully..... > > > > > well i dont know about the radha's marraige. > > > > > ah ha, i love that discomfort. well, i was not present there, and am > not a kaal gyani. but that is the popular lore. go and talk to some > one in brindaban. there was also an article on radha's prayog's in 200 > th isue and the one before that, that talks about her being married to > some one else( a baniya near by). i will give you one more shock, > there is discussion about whether she was already married while she > was with krishna, or whether she was single. my very dear and very > learned friend from brindaban says that she had 2 nand (sisters in > law) called jatila and kutila. > > this has raised serious doubts in me i have to really ask Gurudev about details if i know i tell you all people > anyway, also remember one thing. hindus are master story tellers. and > tories are meaning less. its very confusing, that is why i believe in stories that come out of Gurudevs mouth exclusively > there was a book ( avery good one) i read about gayatri. > it is not by some common publication or by some big author. > in fact i never saw it being sold again.some one was sitting and > selling it on the pavemment. i bought two volumes. but there were > others. when i read the books and found them so good, they detail all > uses of gayatri, it's purushcharan with the shloks. i went back in a > few days and more than once to buy the others but the guy who sold > them never came back > > it tells of 24 shaktis of gayatri radha is prem shakti > ram is maryada shakti. > > but despite it all, ram's greatness though evident in his life is less > than evident. poor hindus. the way they twist and twirl their moral > rules to explain the actions of their GODs. true selfish, prejudiced mortal being that bring shame to great tr aditions and cultures come what may i am not > convinced by the killing of bali, the fire ordeal of Sita and her > subsequent disownment. > i think i should take a note of this and ask Gurudev, its very complicated scenario when you play multiple role of a king , brother friend, husband and all of them in a ideal way besides in one context you have to express only king part more then other parts start confusing us... there should be some good interpretation by BRAHMAN souls for all this to be benfitted > the essence of understanding ram does not lie in intellect or in a > story called ramayan. for that you sit down and repeat ram, ram. the > feeling the illumination that comes subsequently is ram. > > is liye kahte hain-- > > ram se bara ram ka naam > jis sagar ko bina setu ke langh sake na ram > langh gaye hanuman usi ko le ke ram ka naam. > > ( translated roughly it says that the name of ram is greater than ram. > but the actual meaning is that your own faith in ram will take you to > the shore. ram needed a stu ( a bridge) to cross over to lanka, but > hanuman was able to cross it over without any help just by praying to > ram) > therefore have faith. be it in GURUdev, or your deity, or yourself it > does not matter. it will take you to your goals and the other shore, > wherever it is. > i think its a beautiful thing that you have told. > > > > yeah defenitely tough to be a radha not an easy task. > > in all history there was only 1 radha. > > true. chaitanya mahaprabhu/meera also were of similar nature. > > > > > i love a man > > > matter closed. then kaam dev becomes kaam dev bhaiya. how about > > > urvashi didi? > > > > fair enough > > > > dhanyavaad. your wife's very lucky. > i was just kidding , i wrote a 2 nd mail it was lost any how i wrote it once more(top) > it will definitely happen, you are a bhakta, despite what you believe. > the only one in our discussion list. you have the easiest path. people should start envying me... jai GURUDEV love Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2001 Report Share Posted August 15, 2001 - dear birendraji, i am sitting facing the west, the sun is shining so brightly, but your mail has really enlightened me so much, i agree wilth all you say. so let us close this dicussion, and give others a chance to speak. i love a man > > matter closed. then kaam dev becomes kaam dev bhaiya. how about > > urvashi didi? > i dont of this hypotetical gratifciation situation, i dont find the > lover to didi/bhaya transformation concept appropriate. kindly note that you totally misunderstood me. so, please let us close this discussion now and put it off till we meet by GURUdev's grace. let us hope the day comes. > she > > was with krishna, or whether she was single. my very dear and very > > learned friend from brindaban says that she had 2 nand (sisters in > > law) called jatila and kutila. > > > > > this has raised serious doubts in me about what? about the concept of love or radha?? think about it. some definitions will change. > >when a > > beautiful girl smiles to you with extra softness. > > God has to figure a way out , he has serious character development > problems. > who GOD? or man? i will tell you the simplest solution smile back till you reach the age when after the smile she says, ""kaise hain uncleji". .... the way they twist and twirl their moral > > rules to explain the actions of their GODs. > true selfish, prejudiced mortal being that bring shame to great tr aditions and cultures no, confused minds which do not have the courage to listen to their own souls. your wife's very lucky. > > > > i was just kidding , i wrote a 2 nd mail it was lost any how i wrote > it once more(top) > i was also kidding. after writing the mail i wondered if that is your true or projected personality. > > it will definitely happen, you are a bhakta, despite what you > believe. > > the only one in our discussion list. you have the easiest path. > > > people should start envying me... mean while you should stay away from the path of gyaana yoga - not enter into futile discussions, and start praying. just joking, please do not mind.... jai GURUDEV love anu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2001 Report Share Posted August 16, 2001 dear anu, i replied yesterday itself but it got deleted at the other side this has happened to me for the 3rd time anyhow i dont know how many people have experienced similar problem, but smart enough i took a back up .... > i am sitting facing the west, the sun is shining so brightly, but your > mail has really enlightened me so much, i agree wilth all you say. so > let us close this dicussion, and give others a chance to speak. > i will just keep quite, nice that it helped you. > > > i love a > man > > > matter closed. then kaam dev becomes kaam dev bhaiya. how about > > > urvashi didi? > > > > i dont of this hypotetical gratifciation situation, i dont find the > > lover to didi/bhaya transformation concept appropriate. > > kindly note that you totally misunderstood me. so, please let us close > this discussion now and put it off till we meet by GURUdev's grace. > let us hope the day comes. probaly i misunderstood , i dont know, lets hope so. > > > she > > > was with krishna, or whether she was single. my very dear and very > > > learned friend from brindaban says that she had 2 nand (sisters > in > > > law) called jatila and kutila. > > > > > > > > this has raised serious doubts in me > > about what? about the concept of love or radha?? think about it. some > definitions will change. To be more clear and brief i asked what is the difference between hanuman and radha as i respect both of them equally i was confused as to whom i should try to get inspiration from,then ill tell you the radha part , that Gurudev told, Radha is the true pativrata(chaste womem) and not sita as people think so , the reason he gave me was sita was married to rama and she remained pativrata so its ok , its dharma fine but in case of radha he told that radha took krishna as his husband though she was not married to him at that time and all thru the life she worshipped as husband /lover, the greatness of radha is the thought of the husband and she struck to it all thru the life in case of sita a marraige was perfomed(concrete thing) sita is defenitly a pativrata , no conflict in that, i am not knwoing how to clearly tell it but i will attempt one more final time its like telling the truth after you take an oath(marraige)--> sita case telling a truth without taking oath itself--> radha case becos in marraige cermony in a way you would promise that you would stay loyal..... so integrity is promised/forced but if you are not married preserving integrity depends on your will and character..... as i was raised in south india i really didnt knew much about radhas marraige , if i would have known i would have asked Gurudev so i was reffering to that in my reply and what i meant was as to what is the full story of radha. to me radha is always the ideal and will remain so becos Gurudev said > > > > > > >when a > > > beautiful girl smiles to you with extra softness. > > > > God has to figure a way out , he has serious character development > > problems. > > > > who GOD? or man? i will tell you the simplest solution i was referring to man and not the God . so man has serious charchter devleopment pronblems. what i mean is that he is not raised propely. > smile back till you reach the age when after the smile she says, > ""kaise hain uncleji". > ... > cool solution, its tough for me to implement.well other members can find it useful. > > the way they twist and twirl their > moral > > > rules to explain the actions of their GODs. > > > true selfish, prejudiced mortal being that bring shame to great tr > aditions and cultures > > > no, confused minds which do not have the courage to listen to their > own souls. > well i would add confusion to that list of selfish, prejudice... but i think you are taking a soft stand when your telling only confusion as the case. anyhow God made females with delicate matter. in other way he made males with hard matter... think as to what causes them not to listen to their souls.. ego right , and ego broods selfishness, prejudice of which confusion is the effect. > > > > > your wife's very lucky. > > > > > > > > > i was just kidding , i wrote a 2 nd mail it was lost any how i wrote > > it once more(top) > > > > > i was also kidding. after writing the mail i wondered if that is your > true or projected personality. > anu just note that there are many reasons which brain cant think of/simulate during a situation so i advise you to use your head in least cases and go by heart things happen by karma, we still dont have the will to take the life in our own hands, till that time brain fools, karma reigns. heart is the way to break it , there are other ways also like 1)will the bruteforce way 2)knowledge the dry way 3)... > > > > people should start envying me... > > mean while you should stay away from the path of gyaana yoga - > not enter into futile discussions, and start praying. > > just joking, please do not mind.... you are welcome to joke ... my sincere advise to you is stick to your heart you will just zoom your way thru, i really found you to be superior in some cases as compared to me, all the times i found you superior, you were just going by heart. your krishana poems and rama poems are real good i dont know how many mmebers enjoyed but i really enjoyed that krishna poem for content and the rama poem for getting lost in the name, keep posting and rough interpeting those poems every now and then when ever you have time, i think you have a good collection, besides i cant understand brij basha completly. By the way when does your exams start and end. love jai Gurudev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2001 Report Share Posted August 16, 2001 -- daer bijendraJI, - > > anu just note that there are many reasons which brain cant think > of/simulate during a situation > > so i advise you to use your head in least cases and go by heart > things happen by karma, we still dont have the will to take > the life in our own hands, till that time brain fools, karma reigns. > heart is the way to break it , there are other ways also like yes, i believe so, and try to do so too. this was aconscious decision wwhich i took at a very young age, trying to avoid becoming an intellectual. life is very dry for them. all the pain all the happiness belongs to the person who lives by his heart. i really found you to be superior in some > cases as compared to me, all the times i found you superior, you > were just going by heart. > i do not know about superior and inferior. let us remain individuals and not compare with anyone. we are different all and so are our paths. > your krishana poems and rama poems are real good i dont know how many > mmebers > enjoyed but i really enjoyed that krishna poem for content and the > rama poem for getting lost in the name, keep > posting and rough interpeting those poems every now and then > when ever you have time, i think you have a good collection, > besides i cant understand brij basha completly. none of the poems i ever posted is written by me. the one of krishna is from a very very good singer, but unfortunately the cassettes do not have his name -yes vinod aggarwal. you get hsi cassettes only outside the Bihariji temple in brindaban. to close this discussion, i will post you something, but what?? let me think... > Ok i will put what you wrote for radha in words by the way krishna is ras shakti, pray to him and your life will be filled with charm and color. after typing them i found that they could be too tough for all so i am putting in some maenings sakhi woh sundar shyaam salona koyen chitte vihansi muskayo (Chitta as in chitta vrittis his temperament and vihansi muskayo-smile filled with laughter) wa ki chitwan me kachu tona (tona is magic, refers to his magnetism) jab te dekhi maine lalit madhuri (lalit beautiful madhuri - filled with tremendous sweetness) shat ras lagat alona (shat ras -the sixty ras, alona tasteless) jab te dekhi maine lalit madhuri shat ras lagat alona man to ab chit chor son atkayo (i cannot leave him) ai ri honi hoye so hona (let whatever happen) sakhi woh sundar shyaam salona sakhi ghar tajoon, van tajoon (friend, i can leave my home, this forest) naagar nagar tajoon ( this city) vanshi vat tat tajoon kahu pe na laji hon (even this river side where he palyed his flute na laji hon --without shame)) yeh deh tajo, geh tajo par neh kaho kaise tajo (deh --body, geh home) (neh-love==> cannnot leave my lover) aaj sai raaj veech aise saaj saje hon yeh banwaro bhayo hai lok, ai ri banwari kahat mo ko (this world has gone it self, thinking that i am not in my senses) banwaro bhayo hai lok, ai ree bhanwari kahat mo ko banwari kahat pe main kahoo na baraji hon (but i do not mind that) sakhi kahiya sunnaiya tajo ( i can leave these kahhaiya -people who talk bitter) baap aur bhaiya tajjo, ( can leave my father and brother) ai ree daiya tajjo maiya, pe kanhaiya nahin taji hon (can leave my mother, tell me how can i leave my lover)) gopal sanwariya mere nanad lal sanwariya mere mera koi nahin hai bin tere > > By the way when does your exams start and end. > > life is an endless exam. i have an exam everyday. i am trying to concentrate on other things,a new job etc so if i am a bit irregular with the list, please do not mind. but before that i want to tell you something, you were comparing the love of radha and hanuman, but in truth they are differnt emotions. the love of radha is filled with shringaar+ bhakti, (shringaar refers to the special ras of love between a man and a woman). if you can feel a very special love for GOD or your GURU, great, But if you cannot start with a human being. in sister nivedita's "master as i saw him", there is refernce to vivekanada's comment on an old couple who had moved to an old people's home. there as they wrere in separate chambers, and when the old man was told he could not see his wife, exclaimed " what i cannot kiss my wife before she sleeps, but i have never missed doing that in the past 50 years.." Vivekanada says " think of it, such steadiness, such faithfulness is nirvana, their love had been the path for those two souls" the ultimate goal in this state is when love, the love and beloved become one and there nothing but pure emotion. there fore before forcing yourself to super normal lovewith difficult to absorb defintions, first try to love those around you the very human and the very normal way. and do so unashamedly. love jai GURUDEV anu > > > > love > > > > jai Gurudev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2001 Report Share Posted August 16, 2001 dear anu, > > > > anu just note that there are many reasons which brain cant think > > of/simulate during a situation > > > > so i advise you to use your head in least cases and go by heart > > things happen by karma, we still dont have the will to take > > the life in our own hands, till that time brain fools, karma reigns. > > heart is the way to break it , there are other ways also like > > yes, i believe so, and try to do so too. this was aconscious decision > wwhich i took at a very young age, trying to avoid becoming an > intellectual. life is very dry for them. all the pain all the > happiness belongs to the person who lives by his heart. Big thinking/decision at very earlyage strange enough. evolved soul stuff. True PAIN and HAPPINESS BOTH belong to him, the happiness gets you up and Pain gets you down.Yeah in Gurudevs life i have found lot of pain then happiness and for Gurudev, pain itself was happiness. > > i really found you to be superior in some > > cases as compared to me, all the times i found you superior, you > > were just going by heart. > > > > i do not know about superior and inferior. > let us remain individuals and not compare with anyone. we are > different all and so are our paths. > > yeah i should not have used words like superior over there, basically i was trying to tell, that you had some characterstics that one could learnt/benfit from , i was trying to encourage that heart side of personlity. > > > your krishana poems and rama poems are real good i dont know how > many > > mmebers > > enjoyed but i really enjoyed that krishna poem for content and the > > rama poem for getting lost in the name, keep > > posting and rough interpeting those poems every now and then > > when ever you have time, i think you have a good collection, > > besides i cant understand brij basha completly. > > > none of the poems i ever posted is written by me. > the one of krishna is from a very very good singer, but unfortunately > the cassettes do not have his name -yes vinod aggarwal. you get hsi > cassettes only outside the Bihariji temple in brindaban. > thankyou for the information. > > > > to close this discussion, > i will post you something, but what?? > let me think... > > > > > Ok i will put what you wrote for radha in words > > by the way krishna is ras shakti, pray to him and your life will be > filled with charm and color. > May Krishna aspect of my Gurudev fill charm and color in my life. > after typing them i found that they could be too tough for all so > i am putting in some maenings > > sakhi woh sundar shyaam salona > koyen chitte vihansi muskayo (Chitta as in chitta vrittis > his temperament and > vihansi muskayo-smile filled > with laughter) > wa ki chitwan me kachu tona (tona is magic, refers to his magnetism) > jab te dekhi maine lalit madhuri (lalit beautiful madhuri - filled > with tremendous sweetness) > shat ras lagat alona (shat ras -the sixty ras, alona tasteless) > jab te dekhi maine lalit madhuri > shat ras lagat alona > > man to ab chit chor son atkayo (i cannot leave him) > ai ri honi hoye so hona (let whatever happen) > sakhi woh sundar shyaam salona > sakhi ghar tajoon, van tajoon (friend, i can leave my home, this > forest) > naagar nagar tajoon ( this city) > vanshi vat tat tajoon kahu pe na laji hon (even this river side where > he palyed his flute > na laji hon --without > shame)) > > yeh deh tajo, geh tajo par neh kaho kaise tajo (deh --body, geh home) > (neh-love==> cannnot > leave my lover) > > aaj sai raaj veech aise saaj saje hon > yeh banwaro bhayo hai lok, ai ri banwari kahat mo ko (this world has > gone it self, > thinking that > i am not in my > senses) > banwaro bhayo hai lok, ai ree bhanwari kahat mo ko > > banwari kahat pe main kahoo na baraji hon > > (but i do not mind > that) > sakhi kahiya sunnaiya tajo > ( i can leave these kahhaiya > -people who talk bitter) > baap aur bhaiya tajjo, > ( can leave my father and brother) > ai ree daiya tajjo maiya, pe kanhaiya nahin taji hon > (can leave my mother, tell me how > can i leave my lover)) > gopal sanwariya mere nanad lal sanwariya mere > mera koi nahin hai bin tere > > > > Good poem,i enjoyed, your interpretation made sense to the poem otherwise it would have not been possible to understand unless one had a brijbasha/poetic hindi dictionary > > > By the way when does your exams start and end. > > > > > life is an endless exam. i have an exam everyday. you see every day as an exam great people. > i am trying to concentrate on other things,a new job etc so if i am a > bit irregular with the list, please do not mind. > its high time that you start concentrating... great that you got a job,good luck to you , its really a good oppurtuity to gain some experience and be a real resource to yourself,family,society and to Gurudev,wish that you be a happiness and blessing to all. fair enough so nothing to mind and nice that you have informed. >before that i want to tell you something, > you were comparing the love of radha and hanuman, but in truth they > are differnt emotions. the love of radha is filled with shringaar+ > bhakti, (shringaar refers to the special ras of love between a man and > a woman). well my mother tounge is hindi, so i dont have any problem understanding the word shringar but anyhow i discovered that there are more type of ras of love between man and woman . > if you can feel a very special love for GOD or your GURU, it started with Gurudev but right now i have only remnants of it. > great, But if you cannot, start with a human being. then it seeped into fellow human beings later, as i learnt it from Gurudev seeing his love/care for his disciples and the society > in sister nivedita's "master as i saw him", there is refernce to > vivekanada's comment on an old couple who had moved to an old people's > home. there as they wrere in separate chambers, and when the old man > was told he could not see his wife, exclaimed " what i cannot kiss my > wife before she sleeps, but i have never missed doing that in the past > 50 years.." > Vivekanada says " think of it, such steadiness, such faithfulness is > nirvana, their love had been the path for those two souls" > > the ultimate goal in this state is when love, the love and beloved > become one and there nothing but pure emotion. > > there fore before forcing yourself to super normal lovewith difficult > to absorb defintions, first try to love those around you the very > human and the very normal way. and do so unashamedly. true enough, that is why i kind of easily emphatise with people, it has become a natural reaction for me. love jai Gurudev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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