Guest guest Posted November 22, 2001 Report Share Posted November 22, 2001 Namaste, I found a large number of sadhanas/pujas to Mother Laxmi, pujas for earning wealth etc on the Siddhashram webiste. Many of these were claimed to provide enormous wealth if practiced correctly. If that were the case, then all the members on this mailing list should be all millionaires rolling in wealth. I suspect that is not the case. I have been given yantras by my parents; I did not feel any difference nor any tangible effects of wearing them. Most of the time, I am told that the effects are "subtle" so you cannot feel them. Which then leads me to conclude, are all pujas/yantras meant to produce a consciousness/awareness with unbroken concentration of the results of the pujas/yantra. Eg- puja for wealth would create an awareness for wealth in the sadhak, which if strong enough would permeate to superconscious regions of the time whence upon it gets translated to reality. There is a wonderful book on scientific affirmations by Paramahamsa Yogananda where he talks of spiritualizing a prayer (in any language) and then repeating it keep attention focussed on the ajna. Sometimes I feel that this works better than traditional mantra though tomes have been written about Sanskrit being the language of the Gods and much quicker to produce results. In fact Maharshi Patanjali states that whatever one thinks of in total focus, that verily happens. Is then total focus better than traditional puja? Please be aware that I am not being derogatory here; just that I have seen very little evidence of puja bearing fruit as it is often claimed. This sometimes makes me a little skeptical. But I suspect that members on this list are far more knowledgeable than I am on this issue and therefore would kindly enlighten me. Aum Namasivaya, Vijay GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities./ps/info1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2001 Report Share Posted November 27, 2001 -- > I have been given yantras by my parents; I did not > feel any difference nor any tangible effects of > wearing them. Most of the time, I am told that the > effects are "subtle" so you cannot feel them. > hello vijay, i tis nice read a message that is thoughtful and different from how do i know what to do -- i am not Guruji. ...thank you for this summary of yoganda's approach. his book "autobiography of a yogi" is of course well known. i have not had chance to read it. my sister has been practicing buddhism for the past few months. repeating nam myoho renge kyo. there is of course no ritual there, the results she has got have been very amazing (on the material front). BUt the approach is two fold: one focussing the mind on the particular problem. But the very appealing second is to pray consciously for others. and never say a single prayer without saying something for others. while i always thought this approach is somewhat cunning, because you are trying to impress upon GOD that you are unselfish while in truth you are just improving the chances of getting what you want, it is if practiced with even 2% earnestness very cleansing. you wish others good and believe that praying for them will solve their problems. i think all members here should imbibe in their daily routine chanting a few malas for someone other than themselves, i think it will give great results to the person concerned and them too. so in essence you are right. poojas, or any rituals rarely produce any results if the mental faculties are not focussed. But focussing alone can work wonders. so that is the place to start. more knowledgeable than I > am on this issue and therefore would kindly enlighten > me. > rest assured that this is not the case. jai GURUDEV aum namah shivata anu > Aum Namasivaya, > Vijay > > > > GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. > http://geocities./ps/info1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2001 Report Share Posted December 1, 2001 Dear Vijay, > Namaste, > > I found a large number of sadhanas/pujas to Mother > Laxmi, pujas for earning wealth etc on the Siddhashram > webiste. Many of these were claimed to provide > enormous wealth if practiced correctly. i dont think ,many of us attempted, if attempted properly practiced > If that were > the case, then all the members on this mailing list > should be all millionaires rolling in wealth. so if above case is true , how can the memnbers be millonaires... > I > suspect that is not the case. true > > Which then leads me to conclude, are all pujas/yantras > meant to produce a consciousness/awareness with > unbroken concentration of the results of the > pujas/yantra. Eg- puja for wealth would create an > awareness for wealth in the sadhak, which if strong > enough would permeate to superconscious regions of the > time whence upon it gets translated to reality. This may be true, i do not know, seems logical, where did u learn this from...the reference will be of use to the group. > There > is a wonderful book on scientific affirmations by > Paramahamsa Yogananda where he talks of spiritualizing > a prayer (in any language) and then repeating it keep > attention focussed on the ajna. can you pls give the exact book name,as there are many books written by him , are u talking of a book called "scientific affirmations of healing" or "Autobiography of a yogi" or what? In the mean time can you elaborate more vividly, as it is told by Swami Paramahansa YoganandaJi, i think it will be of great use to all of us and you would be doing a valuable service by detailing what he has told in his own words... i dont know abt other members but i would try to benfit from it. The concept and the process of spiritualizing a prayer seems exciting and intruiging prospect... > Sometimes I feel that > this works better than traditional mantra though tomes > have been written about Sanskrit being the language of > the Gods and much quicker to produce results. In fact > Maharshi Patanjali states that whatever one thinks of > in total focus, that verily happens. Is then total > focus better than traditional puja? Before Mantra/yantra/tantra existed i think prayer was the most obvious solutions.Genrally i belive that one should emphatise with the cause and the person either ,individually or both combined (better) to bear results in the prayer , i may not be true, but the concept of trying to concentrate on ajna seems very intriguing for me, iam not clear if emphatising is necessary in this case or not . so if u can be write in the authors words it would be great, becos i read at some place that if one wants to help others one has to concentrate on ajana chakra(i.e the center between eyebrows).As ajna chakra is considered to be the transmitting station to the universe by the yogois, so iam curious as spiritualising the prayer is also talking abt ajna chakra. so if i know abt the emphatising part it would be fine or else the whole proceduere of spritualiisng the prayer it would be great. Regarding mantras there are various types 1)vedokt mantras 2)tantrokt mantras 3)lama mantras(Gurudev used to tell that they are powerful and fast result bearing) 4)sabar mantras rest i dont know, probably one has to refer "Mantra Rahasya" by Dr Narain Dutt Shrimaliji(Bade Gurudev). so as you know the sages figured out the problems that a man would face and came out with generalized tested solution of mantras that if practised by any one with the right procedure should give results. Here in this mantra process there is no empahsis/neccisity of the heart aspect , but for prayer its very essential. so each has its own way out.so its the convenience, resoureces and beleifs that should make us choose the solutions ,so i believe all are important. But i am greatful for the concept of spritualizing the prayer that you have brought to light... waiting to hear more abt it > Please be aware that I am not being derogatory here; > just that I have seen very little evidence of puja > bearing fruit as it is often claimed. This sometimes > makes me a little skeptical. if they are not true why would sages spend their time developing it,or why would Gurudev waste his time going to Himalayas and trying to please those stubborn ascetics to reveal them and then practise to see the results himself. as anu said one should have focus and besides as you urself said keep doing the sadhana until it bears results, its my personal belief , i dont have any tantrokt/mantrokt sadhana experience. >But I suspect that > members on this list are far more knowledgeable than I > am on this issue and therefore would kindly enlighten > me. Probably some senior members may have got the results they should try to write something abt it. Take care. Aum Namasivaya Jai Gurudev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2001 Report Share Posted December 1, 2001 Dear anu, > i tis nice read a message that is thoughtful and different from how do > i know what to do -- i am not Guruji. ...thank you for this summary of > yoganda's approach. his book "autobiography of a yogi" is of course > well known. i have not had chance to read it. I advise you and other members to read this book, its better if one purchases it.Mean time there is a site which has online version of this book ,so they can enjoy it reading over there www.crystalclarity.com/yogananda so on the left hand side there are chapters listed... for ordering other book online go to www.astrologie.ws/yoganan.htm( or go to amazon.com type in searh parmahansa yogananda) www.yogananda-srf.org for the website of SELF REALISATION FELLOWSHIP > > my sister has been practicing buddhism for the past few months. > repeating nam myoho renge kyo. there is of course no ritual there, the > results she has got have been very amazing (on the material front). Gurudev used to tell that Buddhist lama mantras are very powerful and quick result bearing in some of his shivir he used to make us do tantrokt lama sadhanas love Jai Gurudev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2001 Report Share Posted December 2, 2001 Namaste Sri Birendraji, I have a question - why would you not want to do the sadhanas to earn wealth. It seems to me that you are a pious soul(no flattery intended) and that perhaps money would not be corruptible in your hands. If so, then having a large amount of money can only result in one end- to help out others. How many of our country men are in dire straits and how many millions are steeped in poverty. > > > > Which then leads me to conclude, are all > pujas/yantras > > meant to produce a consciousness/awareness with > > unbroken concentration of the results of the > > pujas/yantra. Eg- puja for wealth would create an > > awareness for wealth in the sadhak, which if > strong > > enough would permeate to superconscious regions of > the > > time whence upon it gets translated to reality. > > this is my own thought. i was intrigues by the "placebo effect" when pharmaceutical companies compare the therapeutic efficiency of their products there is always a control group which is given a harmless pill(which does nothing). the surprising thing is that a lot of times this do-nothing pill itself provides a cure to about 50% of the control group! so when someone expects to get healed, it happens- the pill was just a medium to concretify his faith. likewise I was thinking of the same thing about poojas. As you point out, our sages would not have gone to great depths to elaborately so all the poojas if all it was meant to do was to create an expectation of result. But on the other hand, perhaps our sages have thought that the dulled intellect of the age of Kali would be forced to have an expectation of the results of the pooja so the elaborate ritual for a pooja could still be a modicum for creation of faith in the performer. > This may be true, i do not know, seems logical, > where did u learn > this from...the reference will be of use to the > group. Does not patanjali say whatever a man thinks, thats what he becomes. also interspersed in the autobiography of a yogi, the same concept is repeated by Sri Yukteswar at several points. Perhaps this is one reason why Yogananda'a writings have very little traditional Hindu elements inthem. > > > > There > > is a wonderful book on scientific affirmations by > > Paramahamsa Yogananda where he talks of > spiritualizing > > a prayer (in any language) and then repeating it > keep > > attention focussed on the ajna. > the exact name of the book is scientific healing affirmations. > > can you pls give the exact book name,as there are > many books written > by him , are u talking of a book called "scientific > affirmations of > healing" or "Autobiography of a yogi" or what? > > In the mean time can you elaborate more vividly, as > it is told by > Swami Paramahansa YoganandaJi, i think it will be of > great use to all > of us and you would be doing a valuable service by > detailing what he > has told in his own words... > i dont know abt other members but i would try to > benfit from it. > The concept and the process of spiritualizing a > prayer seems > exciting and intruiging prospect... my idea of spiritualizing a prayer is that repeating the prayer should not be a mechanical reading out but should be infused with spirit, love, faith and inspiration. an example of affirmation from the book is God is my own inexhaustible Divine Bank. I am always rich for i have access to the Cosmic Storehouse. (there are tons of other affirmations). > > > > Sometimes I feel that > > this works better than traditional mantra though > tomes > > have been written about Sanskrit being the > language of > > the Gods and much quicker to produce results. In > fact > > Maharshi Patanjali states that whatever one thinks > of > > in total focus, that verily happens. Is then total > > focus better than traditional puja? > > Before Mantra/yantra/tantra existed i think prayer > was the most > obvious solutions.Genrally i belive that one should > emphatise with > the cause and the person either ,individually or > both combined > (better) to bear results in the prayer , i may not > be true, > > but the concept of trying to concentrate on ajna > seems very > intriguing for me, iam not clear if emphatising is > necessary in this > case or not . so if u can be write in the authors > words it would be > great, becos i read at some place that if one wants > to help others > one has to concentrate on ajana chakra(i.e the > center between > eyebrows).As ajna chakra is considered to be the > transmitting station > to the universe by the yogois, so iam curious as > spiritualising the > prayer is also talking abt ajna chakra. so if i know > abt the > emphatising part it would be fine or else the whole > proceduere of > spritualiisng the prayer it would be great. actually in that book yogananda talks of different kinds of affirmations- affirmations of will for which the focus should be on ajna(center of will), affirmations of energy for the focus should be on the vishudda(center of energy) and affirmations of feeling which should be focused on the anahata(center of feeling). this book is a really wonderful book- as yogananda says that one should attune himself to the divine father/mother till the point where God starts talking to you. Once you have made this contact with God, he will tell you your purpose in life and then one should live towards fulfilling that purpose. the beauty of yogananda's approach is that whether you believe in yogananda or not his technique always works(thats why he calls it scientific meditation). it may also interest you that in certain kriya traditions mahaavatar babaji is supposed to be residing at siddhapeetam in the himalayas- peetam is another name for an ashram. is there a connection between babaji and Gurudev Shrimaliji?? the other wellknown saint who used to give initiation in kriya was the renowned Swami Sivanada of Rishikesh(this is not so well known) and the parampara continues through Swami Satyananda of the Bihar School of Yoga. Thus all the saints appear to be linked very closely together. > > Regarding mantras there are various types > 1)vedokt mantras > 2)tantrokt mantras > 3)lama mantras(Gurudev used to tell that they are > powerful and fast > result bearing) > 4)sabar mantras > > rest i dont know, probably one has to refer "Mantra > Rahasya" by Dr > Narain Dutt Shrimaliji(Bade Gurudev). > > so as you know the sages figured out the problems > that a man would > face and came out with generalized tested solution > of mantras that if > practised by any one with the right procedure should > give results. > > Here in this mantra process there is no > empahsis/neccisity of the > heart aspect , but for prayer its very essential. so > each has its > own way out.so its the convenience, resoureces and > beleifs that > should make us choose the solutions ,so i believe > all are important. > > But i am greatful for the concept of spritualizing > the prayer that > you have brought to light... waiting to hear more > abt it i gave a brief outline for spiritualizing prayers but my advise would be to get the book and get it directly from the writings of the Master himself. There are also three other wonderful collections of Yogananda's works- Divine Romance, Man's Eternal Quest and Journey to Self Realisation- I think you would enjoy all of them. Is Siddhashram the only place from where Gurudev's books can be brought?? If there is anything else I can help with , please let me know. Aum Namasivaya, Vijay Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Shopping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2001 Report Share Posted December 2, 2001 Namaste Sri Birendraji, I have a question - why would you not want to do the sadhanas to earn wealth. It seems to me that you are a pious soul(no flattery intended) and that perhaps money would not be corruptible in your hands. If so, then having a large amount of money can only result in one end- to help out others. How many of our country men are in dire straits and how many millions are steeped in poverty. > > > > Which then leads me to conclude, are all > pujas/yantras > > meant to produce a consciousness/awareness with > > unbroken concentration of the results of the > > pujas/yantra. Eg- puja for wealth would create an > > awareness for wealth in the sadhak, which if > strong > > enough would permeate to superconscious regions of > the > > time whence upon it gets translated to reality. > > this is my own thought. i was intrigues by the "placebo effect" when pharmaceutical companies compare the therapeutic efficiency of their products there is always a control group which is given a harmless pill(which does nothing). the surprising thing is that a lot of times this do-nothing pill itself provides a cure to about 50% of the control group! so when someone expects to get healed, it happens- the pill was just a medium to concretify his faith. likewise I was thinking of the same thing about poojas. As you point out, our sages would not have gone to great depths to elaborately so all the poojas if all it was meant to do was to create an expectation of result. But on the other hand, perhaps our sages have thought that the dulled intellect of the age of Kali would be forced to have an expectation of the results of the pooja so the elaborate ritual for a pooja could still be a modicum for creation of faith in the performer. > This may be true, i do not know, seems logical, > where did u learn > this from...the reference will be of use to the > group. Does not patanjali say whatever a man thinks, thats what he becomes. also interspersed in the autobiography of a yogi, the same concept is repeated by Sri Yukteswar at several points. Perhaps this is one reason why Yogananda'a writings have very little traditional Hindu elements inthem. > > > > There > > is a wonderful book on scientific affirmations by > > Paramahamsa Yogananda where he talks of > spiritualizing > > a prayer (in any language) and then repeating it > keep > > attention focussed on the ajna. > the exact name of the book is scientific healing affirmations. > > can you pls give the exact book name,as there are > many books written > by him , are u talking of a book called "scientific > affirmations of > healing" or "Autobiography of a yogi" or what? > > In the mean time can you elaborate more vividly, as > it is told by > Swami Paramahansa YoganandaJi, i think it will be of > great use to all > of us and you would be doing a valuable service by > detailing what he > has told in his own words... > i dont know abt other members but i would try to > benfit from it. > The concept and the process of spiritualizing a > prayer seems > exciting and intruiging prospect... my idea of spiritualizing a prayer is that repeating the prayer should not be a mechanical reading out but should be infused with spirit, love, faith and inspiration. an example of affirmation from the book is God is my own inexhaustible Divine Bank. I am always rich for i have access to the Cosmic Storehouse. (there are tons of other affirmations). > > > > Sometimes I feel that > > this works better than traditional mantra though > tomes > > have been written about Sanskrit being the > language of > > the Gods and much quicker to produce results. In > fact > > Maharshi Patanjali states that whatever one thinks > of > > in total focus, that verily happens. Is then total > > focus better than traditional puja? > > Before Mantra/yantra/tantra existed i think prayer > was the most > obvious solutions.Genrally i belive that one should > emphatise with > the cause and the person either ,individually or > both combined > (better) to bear results in the prayer , i may not > be true, > > but the concept of trying to concentrate on ajna > seems very > intriguing for me, iam not clear if emphatising is > necessary in this > case or not . so if u can be write in the authors > words it would be > great, becos i read at some place that if one wants > to help others > one has to concentrate on ajana chakra(i.e the > center between > eyebrows).As ajna chakra is considered to be the > transmitting station > to the universe by the yogois, so iam curious as > spiritualising the > prayer is also talking abt ajna chakra. so if i know > abt the > emphatising part it would be fine or else the whole > proceduere of > spritualiisng the prayer it would be great. actually in that book yogananda talks of different kinds of affirmations- affirmations of will for which the focus should be on ajna(center of will), affirmations of energy for the focus should be on the vishudda(center of energy) and affirmations of feeling which should be focused on the anahata(center of feeling). this book is a really wonderful book- as yogananda says that one should attune himself to the divine father/mother till the point where God starts talking to you. Once you have made this contact with God, he will tell you your purpose in life and then one should live towards fulfilling that purpose. the beauty of yogananda's approach is that whether you believe in yogananda or not his technique always works(thats why he calls it scientific meditation). it may also interest you that in certain kriya traditions mahaavatar babaji is supposed to be residing at siddhapeetam in the himalayas- peetam is another name for an ashram. is there a connection between babaji and Gurudev Shrimaliji?? the other wellknown saint who used to give initiation in kriya was the renowned Swami Sivanada of Rishikesh(this is not so well known) and the parampara continues through Swami Satyananda of the Bihar School of Yoga. Thus all the saints appear to be linked very closely together. > > Regarding mantras there are various types > 1)vedokt mantras > 2)tantrokt mantras > 3)lama mantras(Gurudev used to tell that they are > powerful and fast > result bearing) > 4)sabar mantras > > rest i dont know, probably one has to refer "Mantra > Rahasya" by Dr > Narain Dutt Shrimaliji(Bade Gurudev). > > so as you know the sages figured out the problems > that a man would > face and came out with generalized tested solution > of mantras that if > practised by any one with the right procedure should > give results. > > Here in this mantra process there is no > empahsis/neccisity of the > heart aspect , but for prayer its very essential. so > each has its > own way out.so its the convenience, resoureces and > beleifs that > should make us choose the solutions ,so i believe > all are important. > > But i am greatful for the concept of spritualizing > the prayer that > you have brought to light... waiting to hear more > abt it i gave a brief outline for spiritualizing prayers but my advise would be to get the book and get it directly from the writings of the Master himself. There are also three other wonderful collections of Yogananda's works- Divine Romance, Man's Eternal Quest and Journey to Self Realisation- I think you would enjoy all of them. Is Siddhashram the only place from where Gurudev's books can be brought?? If there is anything else I can help with , please let me know. Aum Namasivaya, Vijay Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Shopping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2001 Report Share Posted December 2, 2001 Namaste Sri Birendraji, I have a question - why would you not want to do the sadhanas to earn wealth. It seems to me that you are a pious soul(no flattery intended) and that perhaps money would not be corruptible in your hands. If so, then having a large amount of money can only result in one end- to help out others. How many of our country men are in dire straits and how many millions are steeped in poverty. > > > > Which then leads me to conclude, are all > pujas/yantras > > meant to produce a consciousness/awareness with > > unbroken concentration of the results of the > > pujas/yantra. Eg- puja for wealth would create an > > awareness for wealth in the sadhak, which if > strong > > enough would permeate to superconscious regions of > the > > time whence upon it gets translated to reality. > > this is my own thought. i was intrigues by the "placebo effect" when pharmaceutical companies compare the therapeutic efficiency of their products there is always a control group which is given a harmless pill(which does nothing). the surprising thing is that a lot of times this do-nothing pill itself provides a cure to about 50% of the control group! so when someone expects to get healed, it happens- the pill was just a medium to concretify his faith. likewise I was thinking of the same thing about poojas. As you point out, our sages would not have gone to great depths to elaborately so all the poojas if all it was meant to do was to create an expectation of result. But on the other hand, perhaps our sages have thought that the dulled intellect of the age of Kali would be forced to have an expectation of the results of the pooja so the elaborate ritual for a pooja could still be a modicum for creation of faith in the performer. > This may be true, i do not know, seems logical, > where did u learn > this from...the reference will be of use to the > group. Does not patanjali say whatever a man thinks, thats what he becomes. also interspersed in the autobiography of a yogi, the same concept is repeated by Sri Yukteswar at several points. Perhaps this is one reason why Yogananda'a writings have very little traditional Hindu elements inthem. > > > > There > > is a wonderful book on scientific affirmations by > > Paramahamsa Yogananda where he talks of > spiritualizing > > a prayer (in any language) and then repeating it > keep > > attention focussed on the ajna. > the exact name of the book is scientific healing affirmations. > > can you pls give the exact book name,as there are > many books written > by him , are u talking of a book called "scientific > affirmations of > healing" or "Autobiography of a yogi" or what? > > In the mean time can you elaborate more vividly, as > it is told by > Swami Paramahansa YoganandaJi, i think it will be of > great use to all > of us and you would be doing a valuable service by > detailing what he > has told in his own words... > i dont know abt other members but i would try to > benfit from it. > The concept and the process of spiritualizing a > prayer seems > exciting and intruiging prospect... my idea of spiritualizing a prayer is that repeating the prayer should not be a mechanical reading out but should be infused with spirit, love, faith and inspiration. an example of affirmation from the book is God is my own inexhaustible Divine Bank. I am always rich for i have access to the Cosmic Storehouse. (there are tons of other affirmations). > > > > Sometimes I feel that > > this works better than traditional mantra though > tomes > > have been written about Sanskrit being the > language of > > the Gods and much quicker to produce results. In > fact > > Maharshi Patanjali states that whatever one thinks > of > > in total focus, that verily happens. Is then total > > focus better than traditional puja? > > Before Mantra/yantra/tantra existed i think prayer > was the most > obvious solutions.Genrally i belive that one should > emphatise with > the cause and the person either ,individually or > both combined > (better) to bear results in the prayer , i may not > be true, > > but the concept of trying to concentrate on ajna > seems very > intriguing for me, iam not clear if emphatising is > necessary in this > case or not . so if u can be write in the authors > words it would be > great, becos i read at some place that if one wants > to help others > one has to concentrate on ajana chakra(i.e the > center between > eyebrows).As ajna chakra is considered to be the > transmitting station > to the universe by the yogois, so iam curious as > spiritualising the > prayer is also talking abt ajna chakra. so if i know > abt the > emphatising part it would be fine or else the whole > proceduere of > spritualiisng the prayer it would be great. actually in that book yogananda talks of different kinds of affirmations- affirmations of will for which the focus should be on ajna(center of will), affirmations of energy for the focus should be on the vishudda(center of energy) and affirmations of feeling which should be focused on the anahata(center of feeling). this book is a really wonderful book- as yogananda says that one should attune himself to the divine father/mother till the point where God starts talking to you. Once you have made this contact with God, he will tell you your purpose in life and then one should live towards fulfilling that purpose. the beauty of yogananda's approach is that whether you believe in yogananda or not his technique always works(thats why he calls it scientific meditation). it may also interest you that in certain kriya traditions mahaavatar babaji is supposed to be residing at siddhapeetam in the himalayas- peetam is another name for an ashram. is there a connection between babaji and Gurudev Shrimaliji?? the other wellknown saint who used to give initiation in kriya was the renowned Swami Sivanada of Rishikesh(this is not so well known) and the parampara continues through Swami Satyananda of the Bihar School of Yoga. Thus all the saints appear to be linked very closely together. > > Regarding mantras there are various types > 1)vedokt mantras > 2)tantrokt mantras > 3)lama mantras(Gurudev used to tell that they are > powerful and fast > result bearing) > 4)sabar mantras > > rest i dont know, probably one has to refer "Mantra > Rahasya" by Dr > Narain Dutt Shrimaliji(Bade Gurudev). > > so as you know the sages figured out the problems > that a man would > face and came out with generalized tested solution > of mantras that if > practised by any one with the right procedure should > give results. > > Here in this mantra process there is no > empahsis/neccisity of the > heart aspect , but for prayer its very essential. so > each has its > own way out.so its the convenience, resoureces and > beleifs that > should make us choose the solutions ,so i believe > all are important. > > But i am greatful for the concept of spritualizing > the prayer that > you have brought to light... waiting to hear more > abt it i gave a brief outline for spiritualizing prayers but my advise would be to get the book and get it directly from the writings of the Master himself. There are also three other wonderful collections of Yogananda's works- Divine Romance, Man's Eternal Quest and Journey to Self Realisation- I think you would enjoy all of them. Is Siddhashram the only place from where Gurudev's books can be brought?? If there is anything else I can help with , please let me know. Aum Namasivaya, Vijay Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Shopping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2001 Report Share Posted December 3, 2001 >Namaste Sri Birendraji, you are giving me lot of respect,iam not eligble. dear vijay, > > I have a question - why would you not want to do the > sadhanas to earn wealth. I want to do much more than that, that's what i intend my future to be in some sense, i dont know if i can achieve that but i will try, with Gurudev's grace only,things would be possible. > It seems to me that you are a > pious soul(no flattery intended) I bet most of the members out here are pious souls in some way or the other.Including urself.(iam not returning ur compliment) >and that perhaps > money would not be corruptible in your hands. If so, > then having a large amount of money can only result in > one end- to help out others. How many of our country > men are in dire straits and how many millions are > steeped in poverty. true, its just not money only lot of other problems like health, disputes... > > this is my own thought. i was intrigues by the > "placebo effect" when pharmaceutical companies compare > the therapeutic efficiency of their products there is > always a control group which is given a harmless > pill(which does nothing). the surprising thing is that > a lot of times this do-nothing pill itself provides a > cure to about 50% of the control group! i think some where u are related to pharmacy stuff in some form or the other. > so when > someone expects to get healed, it happens- the pill > was just a medium to concretify his faith. ture faith can work wonders, but i think what u are suggeting is a bit too much, though i appreciate ur thougtfulness. >likewise I > was thinking of the same thing about poojas. As you > point out, our sages would not have gone to great > depths to elaborately so all the poojas if all it was > meant to do was to create an expectation of result. > But on the other hand, perhaps our sages have thought > that the dulled intellect of the age of Kali would be > forced to have an expectation of the results of the > pooja so the elaborate ritual for a pooja could still > be a modicum for creation of faith in the performer. what do u say in the case where pooja is performed by some other person on behalf of u, then u would say faith in the person who performed it, so there is no end... i think faith in its uncanny ways does things,but whatever it does its as per the natural laws though it may not be obvious to us, but which may be obvious to higher soul, do u think that universe is just existing witout laws or body is functioning without laws in that case there would be no science, reasearch so on so forth. actually when one tells abt mantras its abt the sound (the science of sound(space sense) perfected , whose intricacies are reavealed to highre souls only. lama mantras are different then vedokt mantras , the sense is sound as to what beeja sound u are using to produce the tree effect, id ont know anything abt it, but there is lot to be known.even faith in some way or the other has to follow certain laws though may not seem obvious. > Does not patanjali say whatever a man thinks, thats > what he becomes. also interspersed in the > autobiography of a yogi, the same concept is repeated > by Sri Yukteswar at several points. Perhaps this is > one reason why Yogananda'a writings have very little > traditional Hindu elements inthem. you are true i read at various places and there was never any doubt abt it.that is what actually meditation signifies. in concentration there are 2 , the person who is concentrating and the object that he is concentrating on,where as in meditation the both merge into one. > the exact name of the book is scientific healing > affirmations. iam highly greatful to u for pointing out to such a great refernece, probably i am indebted u, i dont know. > > my idea of spiritualizing a prayer is that repeating > the prayer should not be a mechanical reading out but > should be infused with spirit, love, faith and > inspiration. an example of affirmation from the book > is > God is my own inexhaustible Divine Bank. I am always > rich for i have access to the Cosmic Storehouse. > (there are tons of other affirmations). > perfect , very true, i dont have words... > > > > > actually in that book yogananda talks of different > kinds of affirmations- affirmations of will for which > the focus should be on ajna(center of will), > affirmations of energy for the focus should be on the > vishudda(center of energy) and affirmations of feeling > which should be focused on the anahata(center of > feeling). > > this book is a really wonderful book- as yogananda > says that one should attune himself to the divine > father/mother till the point where God starts talking > to you. Once you have made this contact with God, he > will tell you your purpose in life and then one should > live towards fulfilling that purpose. i have decided to buy this book, by the way are u a SRF member? > the beauty of > yogananda's approach is that whether you believe in > yogananda or not his technique always works(thats why > he calls it scientific meditation). true becos its scientific procedure, the same with mantras and tantras and other things too... but there should be guidance to yeild results, without that we are lost as all the details in the procedure may not be known so an experienced person greatly/truly enhances the success rate. > > it may also interest you that in certain kriya > traditions mahaavatar babaji is supposed to be > residing at siddhapeetam in the himalayas- peetam is > another name for an ashram. is there a connection > between babaji and Gurudev Shrimaliji?? i think so, i believe that there could be only one siddhashram and all great souls reside there, i am not aware of the conncection but what i assume is both would know each other, i once read a story abt Gurudevs disciple who met Bababji and expressed a desire to become his disciple (as Babaji is well known ) and Bababji gave him a test and this person passed the test and Babaji told the person that there is no need of additional Guru for him as his Gurudev was equally capable so, insteas he gave him a boon that death will not touch him... so i was once told by my Gurudev that the world is ruled by(board of avadhutas) AVADHUTA MANDALI(AVADUTHAS CAN BE CONSIDERED FUNCTIONALLY EQUILVALENT TO PARAMAHANSAS) i dont know the exact differences btw paramhansa and avadhuta. so they decide the whole plan as to who should incarnate at what time so on and so forth, i assume he too was reffering to siddhasharm , i dont know exactly. so i basically believe that there exist multiple groups(like babaji group and other one could be nikhileswaranand ji(dr naraindutt shrimaliji's group) taking care of various people realisation/human welfare efforts in a co-ordinated but still in a divide and rule policy. its same thing like various continents exist at the same time but with their own ways... so i persoanlly believe all the satgurus incarnate in various names and various forms continously in a planned and coordianated way, and i believe that siddhashram is the place where all this management/ activity goes on. iamy be wrong but this what i brewed up with all the experiences and understanding i have. > > the other wellknown saint who used to give initiation > in kriya was the renowned Swami Sivanada of > Rishikesh(this is not so well known) i know he is a great saint, i respect him too. > and the parampara > continues through Swami Satyananda of the Bihar School > of Yoga. Thus all the saints appear to be linked very > closely together. even Dr naraindutt shrimaliji also used to give kriya diksha, yes all are linked behind in some way or the other. idont know anything abt swami satyananda of bihar school of yoga. > i gave a brief outline for spiritualizing prayers but > my advise would be to get the book and get it directly > from the writings of the Master himself. There are > also three other wonderful collections of Yogananda's > works- Divine Romance, Man's Eternal Quest and Journey > to Self Realisation- I think you would enjoy all of > them. i read some part of divine romance and mand eternal quest in my friend 's place. > Is Siddhashram the only place from where Gurudev's > books can be brought?? i think so that s only the place , but some book are published by HIND POCKET BOOKS, PUSTAK MAHAL. I THINK SOME OTHER MEMBERS SHOULD GIVE U MORE DETAIL.if none of the members is helping u, do tell me ill try to cordinate that for u. > > If there is anything else I can help with , please let > me know. keep being a member, keep posting interesting things and ... keep searcing for a satguru ... love Aum Namasivaya, Jai Gurudev. > > > > > > > Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Shopping. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2001 Report Share Posted December 18, 2001 Namaste Sri Birendraji! > > i think some where u are related to pharmacy stuff > in some form or > the other. I have no connection to the pharmaceutical industry. I am Integrated circuit designer by profession. > actually when one tells abt mantras its abt the > sound (the science of > sound(space sense) perfected , whose intricacies are > reavealed to > highre souls only. > lama mantras are different then vedokt mantras , the > sense is sound > as to what beeja sound u are using to produce the > tree effect, id ont > know anything abt it, but there is lot to be > known.even faith in some > way or the other has to follow certain laws though > may not seem > obvious. Is all this discussed in Gurudev's book Mantra rahasya. Really someone should take the trouble to get the books available through amazon as this would benefit innumerable people.(let me know if I can help in any way) > > > > > Does not patanjali say whatever a man thinks, > thats > > what he becomes. also interspersed in the > > autobiography of a yogi, the same concept is > repeated > > by Sri Yukteswar at several points. Perhaps this > is > > one reason why Yogananda'a writings have very > little > > traditional Hindu elements inthem. > > > you are true i read at various places and there was > never any doubt > abt it.that is what actually meditation signifies. > in concentration there are 2 , the person who is > concentrating and > the object that he is concentrating on,where as in > meditation the > both merge into one. > > > the exact name of the book is scientific healing > > affirmations. > > > iam highly greatful to u for pointing out to such a > great refernece, > probably i am indebted u, i dont know. There is an equally good book by Yogananda called How to talk with God. I am really surprised that Indians in general would scoff at you if you talked to him about talking to God. On the contrary I have met many Americans who have had darhan of different deities. It is really surprising how our scriptural precepts are taken to be valueless in the land of its origin. And no, I am not an SRF member. It was through a rather unusual circumstance that I was introduced to much of the literature by Yogananda. Aum Namasivaya, Vijay > > > > > > my idea of spiritualizing a prayer is that > repeating > > the prayer should not be a mechanical reading out > but > > should be infused with spirit, love, faith and > > inspiration. an example of affirmation from the > book > > is > > God is my own inexhaustible Divine Bank. I am > always > > rich for i have access to the Cosmic Storehouse. > > (there are tons of other affirmations). > > > > > perfect , very true, i dont have words... > > > > > > > > > > actually in that book yogananda talks of different > > kinds of affirmations- affirmations of will for > which > > the focus should be on ajna(center of will), > > affirmations of energy for the focus should be on > the > > vishudda(center of energy) and affirmations of > feeling > > which should be focused on the anahata(center of > > feeling). > > > > this book is a really wonderful book- as yogananda > > says that one should attune himself to the divine > > father/mother till the point where God starts > talking > > to you. Once you have made this contact with God, > he > > will tell you your purpose in life and then one > should > > live towards fulfilling that purpose. > > > === message truncated === Check out Shopping and Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at or bid at http://auctions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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