Guest guest Posted January 13, 2002 Report Share Posted January 13, 2002 Hi, Who's this person you are talking about? And who wrote the first reference..could you please tell me..my mails got deleted so I canm't follow..thx a lot --- devi_bhagat <devi_bhagat wrote: > -- > > > > Any time you humbly decide that > you really want > to > > meet such a person let me know,i know one, you > will bow down before > > him permenantly.(this is my belief, you need not > write a counter to > > it) kidding.later dont complain abt my lord that > he didnt tell u. > > if u are hurt i will take my words back. > > > thank you very much for the offer. if one fine day, > i wish it i will > humbly approach you to take me to him. but these > things do not work > for me. i really do not know why. i told you about a > pandit in > mehrouli area who is clairvoyant. who holds your > wrist and makes > predictions. he told my mother that she had 2 > daughters and a son, and > made very accurate predictions for my brother and > father (which came > true later) for some reason whatever good he says > for me never > materializes. it is just like hote hote ruka. > > i also have an assamese friend who too seems to > possess some powers > naturally --from past life maybe. she too had made > acuurate > predictions for people. with me whatever she said > did not work. either > i am under the influence of some negative forces > these people cannot > see, or i do not know, but i think the problem lies > with me not them. > But sure if i wish to, i will remeber to ask you. > now that i know that > you know someone. > > when 1 fine day i am feeling miserable i will > approach you. but if it > is Ok this gentleman why do you not post his > address/contact > information here so that other interested people can > go to him?? > wishes.. > anu > > Send FREE video emails in Mail! http://promo./videomail/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2002 Report Share Posted January 13, 2002 , vatsalya saxena <vats57> wrote: > Hi, > Who's this person you are talking about? And who wrote > the first reference..could you please tell me..my > mails got deleted so I canm't follow..thx a lot > --- devi_bhagat <devi_bhagat> wrote: > > -- > > hello, jaigurudev vatsalya is a very nice name. if you are asking me about the person in mehroulli, i do not know. i have never been to him( i am not in india presently). my parents too are away but will be back sometime in january in delhi. i will ask my mother if she knows the address-she should i guess (and if he meets everyone) and tell you. he does not charge anything i think, but really do not know if he is available for consultations. as for birendraji and who he is talking about, he can answer better. good wishes anu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2002 Report Share Posted January 13, 2002 dear anu, > > > > Any time you humbly decide that you really want > to > > meet such a person let me know,i know one, you will bow down before > > him permenantly.(this is my belief, you need not write a counter to > > it) kidding.later dont complain abt my lord that he didnt tell u. > > if u are hurt i will take my words back. > > > thank you very much for the offer. if one fine day, i wish it i will > humbly approach you to take me to him. ok cool, as and whenever you wish. > but these things do not work > for me. i really do not know why. i told you about a pandit in > mehrouli area who is clairvoyant. who holds your wrist and makes > predictions. he told my mother that she had 2 daughters and a son, and > made very accurate predictions for my brother and father (which came > true later) for some reason whatever good he says for me never > materializes. it is just like hote hote ruka. astrology is complete in itself, how can clairvoyant person give remedies or know other things behind. if u go to incomplete people and form a generalised conclusion , who is to be blamed , pls understand that incompleteness of the people you went, iam not telling that they are not nice people, iam only suggesting that you cant expect complete and perfect solutions from them, its not there in them in the first place, i am good dosent help, ishould be in a position to do complete good. The completness can only come from a sadguru. Rest is all incomplete in one way or the other , pls dont expect anything from any one except you believe in some one as a sadguru, till that time just keep positive open mind, with hope but least expectations, easy to tell though. when you go for remedy go to the highest, why less. Lion is the king of Jungle,when it roars the forest trembles with fear,similarly person with complete knowledge is like a lion, nothing is impossible for him if he wishes. They are remedies in astrolgy where death can be fooled also, there is term for remedies in astrology i forgot the word. > i also have an assamese friend who too seems to possess some powers > naturally --from past life maybe. she too had made acuurate > predictions for people. with me whatever she said did not work. either > i am under the influence of some negative forces these people cannot > see, or i do not know, but i think the problem lies with me not them. > But sure if i wish to, i will remeber to ask you. now that i know that > you know someone. > > when 1 fine day i am feeling miserable i will approach you. but if it > is Ok this gentleman why do you not post his address/contact > information here so that other interested people can go to him?? ok now you know, iam a bit relaxed ,pls dont suffer unneccassirly. i have to ask him, becos he dosent do that full time, he has his own family and own job, its just with the following bhavan(feeling) "DARIDRYA(poverty)DUKHA(misery)DAHANAYA(elimination) NAMAHSIVAYA(is lord siva)" "SARVEJANA SUKHINO BHAVANTU"(all the world be happy). basically except 10-12 people i dont know rest of the 120 or so members. and he dosent charge and he has his own approach which should be known, so i have to speak to him before i can do that. i understand ur good intentions for others, but i have to ask him, becos he has his own commitments and responsibilites, and its not a full time job affectionately Jai Gurudev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2002 Report Share Posted January 13, 2002 > i also have an assamese friend who too seems to Namaste Sri Anu! Usually these psychics have to penetrate your astral body framework to tune in with you. However pschics can only do this with people who are less psychically powerful than them. So your astral force shield must be really strong! And not because of any negative influence. Aun Namasivyaa, Vijay > possess some powers > naturally --from past life maybe. she too had made > acuurate > predictions for people. with me whatever she said > did not work. either > i am under the influence of some negative forces > these people cannot > see, or i do not know, but i think the problem lies > with me not them. > But sure if i wish to, i will remeber to ask you. > now that i know that > you know someone. > > when 1 fine day i am feeling miserable i will > approach you. but if it > is Ok this gentleman why do you not post his > address/contact > information here so that other interested people can > go to him?? > wishes.. > anu > > Send FREE video emails in Mail! http://promo./videomail/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2002 Report Share Posted January 13, 2002 dear anu, > naturally --from past life maybe. she too had made acuurate > predictions for people. with me whatever she said did not work. either > i am under the influence of some negative forces these people cannot > see, or i do not know, but i think the problem lies with me not >them. Astrolgy is complete in itself, negative forces can be found out and remedied,the knowledge is given by sages and revised and improved by them. so dont worry there is no negative in you, the people you went were incomplete. have faith in our sages. There is no negative in you, think thousand times,feel thousand time, kick the negative thing out of ur way.you are will full,you have the power in you,why are u afraid, when he is protecting you, when you trust in him what in the world can touch you,see him,feel him protecting , have faith,what is negative, is it not psychical why do we poison our will with the unseen thinking.... FEEL GOD IS PROTECTING YOU, KICK THE NEGATIVE THING AWAY FROM UR THOUGHTS, INCOMPLETE PEOPLE CANT GIVE YOU COMPLETE REMEDIES, WHO HAS SEEN THE NEGATIVE, HAVE YOU, DONT THEORITIZE ..... affectionately Jai Gurudev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2002 Report Share Posted January 13, 2002 is impossible for him if he wishes. > > They are remedies in astrolgy where death can be > fooled also, there > is term for remedies in astrology i forgot the word. > > prati-vidhi(counter-fate). Was the word you were thinking of Birendra? Aum Namasivaya, Vijay Send FREE video emails in Mail! http://promo./videomail/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2002 Report Share Posted January 13, 2002 no thanks vijay, pls dont put time in it, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2002 Report Share Posted January 14, 2002 My Dear Friend Vijay, Namaste! 1. Yes ,I was in the same position ,asan with spine straight. 2. Meditation was spread form early morning,noon to night. 3. I had practiced gradually before to remain in similar pose for long periods. 4. I did not get bored. I enjoyed it after initial struggle, to sit for longer periods. 5. I meditated on the sound vibrations & meaning. He fine-tuned my frequencies. 6. I did not visualize anything. But imagination & visualization helps a lot.( I realized later like : endless space) 7. Aids that came my way was Inspirational works of "Swami Vivekanand", "God", "Conviction" that I will make it happen with intensity . 8. You have rightly Quoted " Swami Vivekanand", Its true. But experiences of wife,brother,father,son etc.has to be finished quickly ,before instrument with us, " body" falls or if want to shorten the time to reach the goal. Thanks. Om Namah Sivaya. Rohit Anand. - Yoga man Saturday, January 12, 2002 8:00 PM Re: experiences with "om" Namaste Rohit!The honour is all mine to be in communion with thissatsangha particularly more so with someone who hasthis experience of the astral body.My astral body is still chained inside my physicalbody. The author has had some interesting experienceswhile chanting with concentration for prolongedperiods of time(which maybe I will post sometime). Oneof the difficulties observed was that to stay in thesame position for more than an hour was difficult.Were you in the same position for all the 6-7 hours-what aids did you use for staying in the same positionand avoiding boredom.(unlike a mantra for a deity, OMdoes not have any visualization and no feeling?).But your experiences clearly point that thatmeditation on OM is not suggested for householders asyou are swept by blissful waves of renunciation andvairagya- you want to leave everything behind andplunge into God.Anyhow like Ashish, I too am not interested inspirituality of its own accord. My view is thatmaterialism with the proper perspective is itself aspiritual path. Talking of Swami Vivekananda, here isa story that Vivekanana was telling to convey thatboth the path of the householder and the renuciate areequally spiritual if followed properly- the story asfollows(I am recollecting in my own words)-In a kingdom in ancient India, there was a king whohad a beautiful daughter, whose fame spread all overthe world and she had suitors from everywhere. Thedaughter however did not like any of the suitors thatcame in. So one day the kind decided that he wouldhold a swayamvara and the daughter had to choose fromone among the assembled ones there. So in thesvayamwara, all the great ones assembled kings andemperors from yonder. The daughter did not like any ofthem. So while she stood disappointed, suddently shesaw a young handsome man in ochre robes outside thehall who was begging for something. Immediately thedaughter rushed and garlanded this sannyasin. Thesannayasin was shocked for he was supposed to be acelibate and he could not come back as a householder.Then the king himself told him that now you are thehusband of my daughter and you will be made the kingof this huge empire.The sannyasin was thouroughly confused- how couldrefuse this great benediction and continue to be abeggarly monk. So after a few moments, he ran out andkept running till he reached the outskirts of aforest. The king and his daughter and the retinuestarted running after him. As soon as they entered theforest they lost him and the king and the daughterstarted wondering in the forest. It soon became darkand the king decided to sleep the night at the foot ofa tree. He lit a fire and went to rest with hisdaughter. Now on this tree, there lived family ofbirds- a father, mother and three young children. Whenthe father bird saw this guest at the tree, he thoughtthat it was his duty to feed the guest and not to letthem go hungry. So he decided to jump in the fire sothat he could be food for the children. Now the fatherand the mother had a big argument about who was goingto jump(i omitted a good deal of the coversationbetween the father and the mother but if anyone canlocate this story it would be worthwhile to read it).... Finally they agreed on the father jumping. Thefather jumped in to the fire but the king did notstill eat him. So the mother thought that the food wasnot enough that is why the king did not touch the birdflesh. So the mother jumped in so that the king couldhave some more food to eat. Still the king did not eatanything. Seeing this, the children decided that theywere orphans and so they might as well end their livesin the fire. So the three children jumped into thefire from their one after the other. Still the kingdid not eat anything and he kept wondering how dumbthese birds are, just jumping into the fire like that.So the sacrifice of the bird family went in vain.Now says, Swami Vivekananda, if you have the vairagyaof the sannyasin or the selflessness of the familyboth are equally good.Now bear in mind this is just a story to illustrate amoral. If an unbearing guest were to stay in my houseand give me a hard time, I would throw him out:-).Aum Namasivaya,Vijay--- "S.A." <sunnyan (AT) now-india (DOT) net.in> wrote:> My Dear Friend Vijay,> > Om Namah Shivaya,> > Namaste!> > You are right . It was my astral body which was> trying to come out of my body trying to enjoy the> freedom it felt after so many births. This> experience made me scared initially & nobody was> able to explain the reason for it or what was> happening but i found the truth myself after few> years.> > My friend you have much of the valuable truth ,> experiences , indepth knowledge with you which i &> other friends will appreciate if you continue to> share with us.It's really a joy to meet the similar> "heads" ,you people are really great.> > Thanks.> Rohit Anand.> - > Yoga man > > Thursday, January 10, 2002 11:04 PM> Re: experiences with "om"> > > > Namaste Rohit!> > Very impressive list of achievements> > > 9. It led to a feeling that something was trying> to> > come out of the body & float in the air.> > Of everything I just wanted to comment on this-> this> is your astral body which usually after very long> periods of meditation, one has complete freedom is> dissociating it with the physical body. This would> give you out-of-body experiences. Swami Sivananda> has> written that once you have succeeded in separating> your astral body, it will give you immense bliss> and> happiness and it is also a major milestone in your> spiritual progress.> > Aum Namasivaya,> Vijay> > > > > > 10. It lead to realization that how I have been> > wasting all my past live or years in this birth> for> > material pleasures sleeping ignorantly.> > 11. It lead to development of all good qualities> > I.e. kindness,love etc.> > 12. It lead to a feeling that something was> trying> > to manifest in the heart.> > 13. It lead to heightened psychic powers.> > 14. it lead me to complete enjoyment &> establishment> > in yoga.> > 15. it lead to loss of interest in everything> > material & development of interest in everything> > spiritual.> > 16. it lead to complete elimination of all kinds> of> > weakness in psyche & removal of fear of death.> > 17. it lead to realization that why i have come> > again into this world.> > 18. It lead to outburst of crying for love for> god.> > 19. It lead to opening of new world of joy which> i> > never experienced before.> > > > After this there was a fall because i was> dragged to> > material rat race & could not keep up with the> rigid> > discipline."do's & don't.> > > > Thanks.> > Rohit.> > > > > > > > > Send FREE video emails in Mail!> http://promo./videomail/> > Sponsor > > > > > > Jay Gurudev> > > > > > Your use of is subject to the > Terms of Service. > > Send FREE video emails in Mail!http://promo./videomail/Jay GurudevYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2002 Report Share Posted January 14, 2002 --- > > and he dosent charge and he has his own approach which should be > known, so i have to speak to him before i can do that. > > i understand ur good intentions for others, but i have to ask him, > becos he has his own commitments and responsibilites, and its not a > full time job > > if hr does not charge, you/i have no right to put his ad here and burden him with extra work. until he so xhooses. asee i look at it this way. people who are earning money are happier to have clients the more the better. however, those who are not can also sometimes have motives. power over others is in itself also a motive. i have not been to anybody really to show my chart. a close friend of mine developed interest in it and so did i learn a few things from her. and as for claivoyant people they do a lot better than most astrologers with predictions--to hell with the science part. astrology is not so scientific a science as you believe it to be. of course it is mathematical, but it starts with a lot os assuptions. more make way while you walk. it definitely uses the intutive aspect of the astrologer. if i wish to consult anyone i will get in touch with you. but my current prayer to my god is to get both astrology and astrologers out of m head. i really am not feeling good. please pardon me, but it is unlikely that i check this list for replies for a few days atleast. good wishes anu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2002 Report Share Posted January 14, 2002 dear anu, > if hr does not charge, you/i have no right to put his ad here and > burden him with extra work. until he so xhooses. asee i look at it > this way. people who are earning money are happier to have clients the > more the better. true. > however, those who are not can also sometimes have > motives. power over others is in itself also a motive. might be true,but i didnt observe any power motive atleast with this person, becos when i went to him i was in severe financial debts and i reamined in worst situation for 2 more year after i went to him, though i am better now, but the way he treated me all thru remained the same, and the respect i have for him is the one he earned it from me, but i personally believe that with greed for money/power your predictions suffer in the long run,they detriorate slowly,besides i believe that to understand the writings of sage one should be sage himself and nothing less than that.reading few books of astrolgy and seeing few chartsto me is not astrology, an astrolger should be a complete and poised person,he should be the follower of the dharma, other wise he would not be doing justice to his profession, and that completness and poise comes when one is jivana mukata/realised. when i went to this person , it was neither to show my chart nor to get predictions for me,its only for the sake of good/beauty(its not for any wishful motives of mine)it is in the same way as seeing and praising nature for its own sake,no one praises nature's beauty thinking that lord would give him something in return, soul aspect of a being which is activated when one is in spiritual path survives only on abstract things like this, otherwise soul would suffocate.(the extent of activation depends on once extent of dedication to the Lord). > > i have not been to anybody really to show my chart. Neither i have been to anyone to show my chart till now. >close friend >of > mine developed interest in it and so did i learn a few things from > her. and as for claivoyant people they do a lot better than most > astrologers with predictions--to hell with the science part. my experinence with this person tells that prediction is only one part of astrolgy and there are many parts to it, a complete person only can be a complete astrolger(like Dr Narain Dutt Shrimaliji). when i refer to Lion its no less than a complete person.others may disagree with it. i have friends who are astrolgers too, they had sometimes short bouts of clairvoyance, but never i had seen my friend to be complete clarivoyant, i was interested in astrology, i tried few book ,basically i didnt want to pursue it becos, i felt that i would no be satisfied wiht the available literature. i basically feel one should learn real astrolgy from himalayan saints(its my personal feeling)or some one linked to them. >astrology > is not so scientific a science as you believe it to be. > of course it is mathematical, but it starts with a lot os assuptions. > more make way while you walk. it definitely uses the intutive aspect > of the astrologer. i can understand. one of my masters tells a rule that one should not practise astrolgy until one is 45 , till that age he has to observe the surrondings both social and physcial,(relating the surrondings to the description of objects in scriptures), i observed that you have to be a sanskrit expert, and basically the sage who has written the scripture should only be able to tell you wheter someone has graduated or not in that scripture(its what i have observed)after that age of 45 only he says that interprations would start being to be reliable and worthy and should not continue to practise after 65 or so (becos memory starts to fade...)This applies for ordinary mortals who take up astrology. i dont know how many people know this rule or follow it.its very rigorous. > > if i wish to consult anyone i will get in touch with you. but my > current prayer to my god is to get both astrology and astrologers out > of m head. its sad that u have come across bad ones, 99.99% are bad, Gurudev in one shivir was talking abt the menace of fake Gurus and was telling the reason as to why he left the practise of astrology, was people stated reading the few books written by him and started putting boards as astrolgers and were filled in the astrological society of which Gurudev once served as a president, but Gurudev told " mei pakahand logo me jinda nahi reh sakta, us din se maine apna saara kammaie usi ko chod diya aur tab se astrology ke haath lagagaya nahin' idont remember exact words the gist was that "he wrote astrology books so thatm people be aware of indian astrology(as u people sholud know that one of the factors that lead Gurudev(Dr Narain Duttshrimaliji) to himalayas was that he felt that indian astroloy lost its knowledge, it had to be retraced from those himalayn saints, other wise that too would be gone)in good faith he wrote book to make opople aware of the indian astrology, but people started to read them and thought themselves as astrolgers put boards and started predictions, harming common man, and once Bade Gurudev(Dr Naraindutt shrimaliji) realised his mistake he left the practise and royalites that were generated by selling those books too. he tells that one cant be alive between insane and fraud people, he could do nothing to eliminate them so walked out of astrology and the same thing is now happening with magazine and Gurus"(reference 96 Guru poornima shivir. > i really am not feeling good. please pardon me, but it is unlikely > that i check this list for replies for a few days atleast. > if i can do some thing let me know, pls be positive and have faith in lord that he is protecting u, other than that i can wish u good things. pls dont feel hurt by the mail, its my experience which i thought would be useful affectionately Jai Gurudev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 Dear Gurubhai This is the real experience on chanting OM. The most superiour mantra will give u everlasting bliss. Awakening of kundalini can start with just the maha mantra OM. I wish everybody experience this truth. We are blessed by just chanting this mantra deep from our heart. Omkaram start from the navel and ends in the sahasra chakra and the joy is boundless. Some may even feel tears tricking down their eyes. that is the happiness when u chant this mantra. Om shri gurubhyo namaha harihi om , "birendra_m" <birendra_m> wrote: > Jai Gurudev, > > dear rohit, > Vijay has told that a AAA should come from navel and UUU from chest > and MMM from head , when i do chanting i have obesrved AAA and MMM > part but now i will observe the UUU part.... > > so did u observe it... > you can enlighten the group more with ur experience... > By the way you have written, there is lot to learn from you. > > pls keep posting for the benefit of others what ever you may think > useful... > pls keeping answering queries posted here... > pls do give suggestions > > pls try to do all these at your conveniences and resources. > > > Take care > Jai Gurudev > > > , "S.A." <sunnyan@n...> wrote: > > Jai Gurudev, > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > Here are some of my own personal experiences after chanting "om" I > humbly want to share with group which are true with no exxaration. > > > > 1. It lead to strong vibrations in the spinal & back area after few > months of continuous chanting with discipline. > > 2. it lead to subsiding of sensual pleasures& complete abstinence. > > 3. it lead to true love of god. > > 4. it lead detachment & peace. > > 5. it lead to rising of kundalini shakti. > > 6. it lead to many psychic experiences. > > 7. I felt as if I am gaining knowledge of everything material & > spiritual. > > 8. it brought peace & inner joy & heightened alertness. > > 9. It led to a feeling that something was trying to come out of the > body & float in the air. > > 10. It lead to realization that how I have been wasting all my past > live or years in this birth for material pleasures sleeping > ignorantly. > > 11. It lead to development of all good qualities I.e. kindness,love > etc. > > 12. It lead to a feeling that something was trying to manifest in > the heart. > > 13. It lead to heightened psychic powers. > > 14. it lead me to complete enjoyment & establishment in yoga. > > 15. it lead to loss of interest in everything material & > development of interest in everything spiritual. > > 16. it lead to complete elimination of all kinds of weakness in > psyche & removal of fear of death. > > 17. it lead to realization that why i have come again into this > world. > > 18. It lead to outburst of crying for love for god. > > 19. It lead to opening of new world of joy which i never > experienced before. > > > > After this there was a fall because i was dragged to material rat > race & could not keep up with the rigid discipline."do's & don't. > > > > Thanks. > > Rohit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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