Guest guest Posted January 20, 2002 Report Share Posted January 20, 2002 Dear members of Sadhak, I wanted to clarify certain issues here before I post anymore articles. My approach to spirituality is NOT through any kind of a sadhana or mantra. It is not that I am opposing them, but that I have not had any kind of reason to perform these things. I know that there is some thing stiring inside me. I just need to pull it out. I cannot define it in words or expression. I know that it just is there. My belief is to approach spirituality through knowledge. I need the knowledge of why and how in my quest towards spirituality. I cannot just accecpt certain things in this area because, I have to understand it first. My articles are the window to these understanding processes. I cannot write technical articles in terms of some mantra for ridding poverty or some sadhana for the 'kundalini jagaran'. Before I can talk about it, I have to understand it. Most of the articles and postings I have read here are bouncers to me as I am not as knowledgeable as you people are. I can only look at spirituality as it comes to me. I cannot and will not believe most of the things said here as i cannot comphrend these in my head. My outlook towards is simple (in my terms) as for me spirituality is self. I do agree that we live in a material world and there are sadhanas to help us in achieving our material needs also, but how and why is my question. If there is a formula for these which gives us the results - mantra+yantra+devotion=sadhana, Then I need tounderstand why mantra and how it works, why yantra and how it works, why devotion and how it works. Only then will I be able to understand sadhana. Till then the articles I can post will be of simple analysis of the world around me. If it is ok for all the blessed souls here, I shall continue. or I shall only wait till I too get this belief in these things to write a good one to suite the mood of this group. Please do clarify. Vijay Bhaskar Send FREE video emails in Mail! http://promo./videomail/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2002 Report Share Posted January 21, 2002 Dear Rohit, Thanks for the reply. Vijay bhaskar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2002 Report Share Posted January 21, 2002 My Dear Friend Vijay, I appreciate your innocence,simplicity & straightforwardness but don't get tensed or take too much of pressure on yourself.I have regard & value for your spiritual knowledge & experience. Remember my friend all intellectual gymnastics is useless as it only gives intellectual pleasure & little progress towards god's realization.I think that you should continue to contribute to this group & if it is of significance to anybody he will certainly try to gain from your knowledge & vice versa at any time. Don't try to please anybody & don't feel dominated by anybody.Even this article of yours is good one as it coming straight from your innocent heart.I hope you'll continue to do so. As god loves Innocence,simplicity,truth & straightforwardness. You have many of those qualities which you need to develop more rather than getting intellectual. I like your style. Thanks. Rohit. - vijay bhaskar Monday, January 21, 2002 9:31 AM Articles Dear members of Sadhak,I wanted to clarify certain issues here before I postanymore articles.My approach to spirituality is NOT through any kind ofa sadhana or mantra. It is not that I am opposingthem, but that I have not had any kind of reason toperform these things. I know that there is some thingstiring inside me. I just need to pull it out. Icannot define it in words or expression. I know thatit just is there.My belief is to approach spirituality throughknowledge. I need the knowledge of why and how in myquest towards spirituality. I cannot just accecpt certain things in this areabecause, I have to understand it first. My articles are the window to these understandingprocesses. I cannot write technical articles in termsof some mantra for ridding poverty or some sadhana forthe 'kundalini jagaran'. Before I can talk about it, I have to understand it. Most of the articles and postings I have read here arebouncers to me as I am not as knowledgeable as youpeople are. I can only look at spirituality as itcomes to me. I cannot and will not believe most of thethings said here as i cannot comphrend these in myhead.My outlook towards is simple (in my terms) as for mespirituality is self. I do agree that we live in amaterial world and there are sadhanas to help us inachieving our material needs also, but how and why ismy question. If there is a formula for these which gives us theresults - mantra+yantra+devotion=sadhana, Then I need tounderstand why mantra and how it works,why yantra and how it works, why devotion and how itworks. Only then will I be able to understand sadhana.Till then the articles I can post will be of simpleanalysis of the world around me. If it is ok for allthe blessed souls here, I shall continue. or I shallonly wait till I too get this belief in these thingsto write a good one to suite the mood of this group.Please do clarify.Vijay BhaskarSend FREE video emails in Mail!http://promo./videomail/Jay Gurudev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2002 Report Share Posted January 21, 2002 , vijay bhaskar <thesoulstealer> wrote: > Dear members of Sadhak, > dear vijay, > I wanted to clarify certain issues here before I post > anymore articles. > > My approach to spirituality is NOT through any kind of > a sadhana or mantra. It is not that I am opposing > them, but that I have not had any kind of reason to > perform these things. I know that there is some thing > stiring inside me. I just need to pull it out. I > cannot define it in words or expression. I know that > it just is there. > sadhna, and mantra are just one of the ways, the path you are following is gyaan yog. it is a very much recognized way of becoming one with GOD, as is matras. Our matras as you once pointed out are more directed towards selfish ends. realizing GOD is not always a high priority. there are several ways. mother teresa saw GOD in the poor, and served the poor. A patriotic person who dies fighting for his country is asid to come to the same end as a great yogi, so say the scriptures without chanting a single mantra. > My belief is to approach spirituality through > knowledge. I need the knowledge of why and how in my > quest towards spirituality. > I cannot just accecpt certain things in this area > because, I have to understand it first. that is fine, brother. But, sometimes you just have to experiment. Understanding comes later. Very often even experimentalists get an idea, and they try it. feeling it will work. they do not bother understandning if their hunch is correct. it is like this-let us heat this to 400degrees and see what happens. that is how they venture into totally new territorities. It is not that this always happens. But, rarely are they able to predict what will happen in totally unventured areas.. their sense of logic guides, them But so does the child like curiosity. > My articles are the window to these understanding > processes. I cannot write technical articles in terms > of some mantra for ridding poverty or some sadhana for > the 'kundalini jagaran'. > Belive me, i can't. i think not one person here can. we all take sadhnas given by our GURUDEV. Or some other great saint. We never imposed a restriction on what you write. anything you feel about, related to sprirituality business is good enough. > Before I can talk about it, I have to understand it. > > Most of the articles and postings I have read here are > bouncers to me as I am not as knowledgeable as you > people are. vijay, we are not knowlegdeable. none of us is. reading books and quoting does not constitute knowledge. knowledge is what you gain by experience, because it is engraved deep. I can only look at spirituality as it > comes to me. I cannot and will not believe most of the > things said here as i cannot comphrend these in my > head. > that is the best thing to do. nobody should even try to believe things he does not understand, in that way it is a sfer approach. > My outlook towards is simple (in my terms) as for me > spirituality is self. I do agree that we live in a > material world and there are sadhanas to help us in > achieving our material needs also, but how and why is > my question. > > If there is a formula for these which gives us the > results - mantra+yantra+devotion=sadhana, > Then I need tounderstand why mantra and how it works, > why yantra and how it works, why devotion and how it > works. Only then will I be able to understand sadhana. > there i disagree with you. you really must give things a try. success and understanding will come together. yantras i do not understand at all too, though i have read explanations. mantras i guess are sounds which when said in the right order produce desired affects. vijay, if you are ill and you need medicine, will you first understand the whole treatise on allopathy, or will you just take tyhe tablet believing that it will work.because someone else--not one person-- has done the hard work to bring it around. will you try to understand all elsectronics before you repair a bulb in your house? BUT of course, the approach is different from person to person. > Till then the articles I can post will be of simple > analysis of the world around me. If it is ok for all > the blessed souls here, come on, we are all blessed souls in someway or other. the secret of success everywhere lies in understanding what is your particular blessing, and making use of it. really, nobody is superior to anybody in the spiritual path. we are all equally creted by the almighty, and will reach him back soon enough. if "I" think "I" am suerior to anybody, it will only delay my own spiritual/material progress and make me grope in the dark. I shall continue. or I shall > only wait till I too get this belief in these things > to write a good one to suite the mood of this group. > please do continue to write. your contribution is valuable. as is everyone else's. also i hope i have clarified that you are supposed to post atleast 1 article on (+/- two days is fine) the reuired date. i forget which.. we are thanful to your for your contribution, the effort and the time you put in. as ashish put it, once we have enough material there we will worry about making it popular. so we will have to not mind if our articles are not read very much intitally.. i may not be able to reply to other mails directed specifically to me soon enough, i hope that is fine with people good wishes, anu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2002 Report Share Posted January 21, 2002 Dear Anu, Thanks a lot for the mail. I do agree with you. I need to experiment. But there is always the fear of that inner self, which keeps questioning me about why i am doing it. I shall have to overcome that. My approach is to gain knowledge because, I have always tried to do it that way. medicine, bulbs, everything I have tried and done only after having an initial base of some knowledge in the subject, seen the practical result with my eyes to try it on my own. I am a student of Microbiology and electronics is one of my hobbies, so it is a part of me to analyze and impliment things. May be it will take more time for me to get into this fully. I am trying.. thanks a lot for your encouragements. Vijay Bhaskar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2002 Report Share Posted January 21, 2002 Vijay no worries. Write whatever you feel is correct. I myself was non-believer in my early school days until i met one of the disciple of Pujya Gurudev. My mind was always open to understand things and in trying to do them. I did and it appealed to me and led me in to all together a new life which had a true meaning. Anurag "THIS E-MAIL MESSAGE ALONG WITH ANY ATTACHMENTS IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE ADDRESSEE and may contain confidential and privileged information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this communication is strictly Prohibited. If you have received this message by error, please notify us immediately, return the original mail to the sender and delete the message from your system." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2002 Report Share Posted January 22, 2002 -dear brother, > Thanks a lot for the mail. I do agree with you. I need to experiment. > But there is always the fear of that inner self, which keeps > questioning me about why i am doing it. I shall have to overcome > that. > we all have all kinds of apprehensions, fears etc BUT until you jump in the water, you will never swim. no amount of knowledge of chemical composition, impurities, density, temperature, will tell. Nor will studying the biographies of ollympic winners FOR that you just have to jump in the water, a village boy does it with such natural ease...and will give you practical facts you will not find in your mind, or in any books. i am not telling you not to think, we cannot change our basic temreament, and we do not need to. BUT do both simultaneously... > My approach is to gain knowledge because, I have always tried to do > it that way. > > May be it will take more time for me to get into this fully. I am > trying.. > wea all are. may GOD, may gurudev bless you. may you get over this feeling of being the odd one in the world. i suspect it has been there for a long time good wishes anu > thanks a lot for your encouragements. > > Vijay Bhaskar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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