Accusations!!!

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Here it is... looks like this list too has sparks flying...It is

really sad to see all these mails and accusations and cross

accusations..

 

It sure is a sad thing to happen. Ashish, I thought Mr.Birendra was a

cool guy and still feel he is. I dont think he would have posted such

a message.

 

The message caused a lot of pain to everybody...which is what is

apprent from all the following mails.. strong words there!!!!

 

I did not think that the group members are so fragile in their

thoughts and expressions. So what if some one has posted a mail

against guruji?

 

Who are we to decide that the person who has posted is wrong or right.

I personally believe that nothing in this world comes free. So if

money is taken from various people, then it is for a purpose. Where

do you think they will get the funds to organize all the shivrs etc?

to get all the yantras, audio stuff etc?

 

I do not believe that we are paying for our KARMAS but for the

sadhana itself. How many peple actually understand the essense of

these sadhanas? they only see the end result.. most of them in total

ignorance..if these sadhanas were to be given for free, then who

would follow them.. espically in today's world?? It is fair to pay

for these. Those who cannot afford, then let them understand what the

sadhana is.. GURU MANTRA is a great sadhana by itself. It is the

ultimate sadhana and does not require any yantra or money.. only the

chanting.. even the dumbest can chant the mantra and get peace of

mind.

 

For those who feel that only pesudogurus take money.. then they are

so wrong..

 

As for Mr Birendra.. I dont think he is responsible for any of

these.. and I think Ashish should act more like a true diciple and

not like a fanatic who is so affected by all these mails.. well

nothing more to say here..

 

A true deciple will just maybe ignore all these trivial facts.. and

not get enraged by it.

 

Vijay Bhaskar

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JAI GURUDEV

Dear Vijay...

 

I am not surprised by your reaction. Whatever is happening is serious

and, at least, not as simple as +/-. My guruji, Dr. Narayan Dutt

Shrimali, has said on many occasions and written in many books that

not reacting while your guru is being insulted is far more heinous

crime than actually insulting him. In India, Guru is considered

higher than parents and god. The relation of guru and a true disciple

is above everything. It is the utmost duty of every disciple to

protect his guru's honour even if it means dying because the guru

would do the same for his disciple. You may not understand this

because, probably, you don't have a guru. You may not understand how

I felt because my guruji is, perhaps, not your guruji.

> I thought Mr.Birendra was a cool guy and still feel he is. I

> dont think he would have posted such a message.

 

Birendra is my gurubhai and I know him for almost a year now. My

right on him is far more than that of yours. As I have said earlier,

I liked and respected him most in this group.

 

Now, whether he posted or not. Some might think that someone with

administrative rights might have done this to defame him. Well,

that's impossible. Last year, I had created a group of mine in

groups, I had administrative rights and no, the administrator can't

forge someone's email address and post on his behalf. Then, comes the

idea of a hacker. Okay, a hacker with a lot of knowledge can break

into his account; but, there is no such person in this group.

Moreover, even if his password was easy to guess, why would someone

want to defame him? Still, I agree that we can't fully determine

whether he actually did it. If he did it, he has commited a serious

and unforgivable crime and he would pay for it. If he did not, he has

been framed because of his own sins. He must have done something

that, as the disciple of Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali, he shouldn't have

done. If he were completely innocent, guruji would never have allowed

this to happen to him.

> I did not think that the group members are so fragile in their

> thoughts and expressions.

 

Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali's disciples are tough in saving their

guru's honour.

> So what if some one has posted a mail against guruji?

 

You wouldn't have asked this if this had happened to your guru.

> Who are we to decide that the person who has posted is wrong

> or right.

 

I have the right to retaliate while my guru is being insulted in

front of the whole world.

> I do not believe that we are paying for our KARMAS but for the

> sadhana itself.

 

What you believe is not important here. What our guruji has taught us

is.

> I think Ashish should act more like a true diciple and not like a

> fanatic who is so affected by all these mails..

 

As a disciple, I must not sit calm and take thing easy while someone

out there is crying out loud that my guru is greedy. I am doing

exactly what my guruji taught me to do. I am doing exactly what I am

expected to do in such situation.

> well nothing more to say here..

 

The feeling is mutual.

> A true deciple will just maybe ignore all these trivial facts.. and

> not get enraged by it.

 

Only a true disciple would not ignore such things. He would get

enraged because his guru is more than his life, more than his god.

 

By the way, this is the second time when someone insulted my guru and

instead of getting help to retaliate, I got comments that I shouldn't

have opened my mouth. This is really weird and totally against my

beliefs. Maybe, this is the right time to leave this group.

 

Good bye everyone. It was nice being with you. Enjoy your stay...

 

Ashish..

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|| jai gurudev ||

 

really sad to see ashish leave. a sincere and devoted disciple. what he said was

right so he had to leave.

 

over and out

 

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