Guest guest Posted January 28, 2002 Report Share Posted January 28, 2002 dear vijay, Guru is ever forgiving. but its our duty not to listen to that insult. No one can bear the insult to ones loved one. If insults are not taken care off they will increase. One has to counter them in some way or the other. Guru will never retaliate but we will. I remember that when Pujya Gurudev's daughter was to get married many tantrik's and people who hated pujya gurudev came to marriage in order to create nuisance. Gurudev directed each of his shishyas that no one is going to do any of their powers if these people create nuisance. There is one person named Radhakrishna Shrimali he is a relative of Pujya Gurudev but he hates Pujya Gurudev i don't know why. He is known to have a very proudy nature. He was proud of that he has kali siddhi. he tried to create nuisance in the marriage then someone asked him to look in to the photograph of Pujya Gurudev as he looked in to it he saw Kaali in the photograph and got scared. This prevented him from doing any other nuisance. Gurudev has even forgiven people who attacked him directly witk maarak mantras and in return provided them with his diescipleship. A personality of such a stature have lot of other things to do then to get caught up in insults. But its for us to see that such things don't happen. Anurag > >vijay bhaskar [thesoulstealer] >Monday, January 28, 2002 12:11 PM > > Insult!!! > > > >What is an insult? > >According to the dictionary, it is "attacking the >dignity", "offend", "abuse", "offend" etc. > >In MAHABHARATA, Arjuna felt that Ekalavya insulted his >guru DRONACHARYA, as Ekalavya learnt the art of >archery with out the guru not actually teaching him. > >There are many such incidences like this where the >disciple feels that some one has insulted his GURU and >that it is his duty to set it right. > >But the GURU knows it all...He shall take care of the >person who has insulted him. Let the true disciple >ignore these words from ignorant disciples. The duty >of the disciple is to follow what the guru says. The >guru never advises that the disciple should retaliate >if some one insults him/her. This will only lead to a >continuous cycle. > >Please read the information given in the link below: > >http://www.narayanamaharaja.com/text/y1999/lecture19990608am.htm > > >We will all loose good people if we keep leaving the >group like this. This is not the right solution. If a >person is insulting...then his karma will take him what >he deserves. Let us not get affected by these simple >material things. There are more than just insults in >life. > >Let us all remain in the group and share each others >knowledge in a spiritual way instead of being affected >by all these rubbish. > >People will have different opinion on different >things.. we cannot change that in everyone. Let us >hope that they too will realize what mistakes they >have committed. Let the guru decide. > >JAI GURUDEV > >Vijay Bhaskar > > > > > >Everything you'll ever need on one web page >from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts >http://uk.my. > >------------------------ Sponsor >---------------------~--> >Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck >Monitoring Service trial >http://us.click./ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/wpWolB/TM >------------------------------ >------~-> > >Jay Gurudev > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > "THIS E-MAIL MESSAGE ALONG WITH ANY ATTACHMENTS IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE ADDRESSEE and may contain confidential and privileged information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this communication is strictly Prohibited. If you have received this message by error, please notify us immediately, return the original mail to the sender and delete the message from your system." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2002 Report Share Posted January 28, 2002 Dear Anurag, True. What you say is true. But here the insult is in the form of an accusation towards guruji regarding 'money' and not a spiritual defamement. Spiritually yes...all of us can contribute in the form of spirituality itself. Let us do that. If there is someone who is accusing/absuing anyone of us or guruji in the belief/spirituality, then each one have the right to deffend it as it concerns our soul which inturn is under guruji. If a person belives that money should not be charged for these and calls guruji as a pseudoguru..we should be feeling pity towards this individual who does not understand the essence of these things. There will be only bad blood between our thoughts and our deeds and each other if we also fall into the same trap. Ashish, Birendra are all old members of this group who should actually show restrain on these matters as it is from an individual who does not understand or does not believe guruji. It is similar to a hindu insulting a moslem or vice versa. We should not and cannot question their beliefs as thats how they are. Guru Tatva is not a religion. Had it been one, then there would not be so many gurus in existance. All of us are working towards one single goal - spirituality. Let us move towards it as an individual. No point in showing discretion between one and all, as it will only lead to stupid incidences. All of us have our own experiences towards spirituality. Some are similar, and the others different. This group is to discuss our ecperiences and inference about this element of spirituality, where each one has a guru. So the spirituality is the common factor. Let us work toward that. As youhave said, even the worst enemy of Guruji was shown the path of the truth. So each one of us are different and will take time to come to a common understanding. I cannot foce my understanding on anybody. I can only explain my experience of the understanding. Some may feel it stupid/crazy or non-ethical. But I as an individual know what I have experienced and that is what will keep me on the path. A true disciple will not waver from his path nor get affected by these insults and accusations. Instead, he will try to explain to the person why and why not based on his/her experience. The rest will be taken care by the persons own reasoning and his guru and karma. It will only put the process of these feelings in a major unending cycle with a lot of people hurt in the process. Let us try to restrain ourselves on the path of spirituality and not get affected by such incidences. Only this will keep us all together as an individual. Forgive and forget. OR Attack and regret. Vijay bhaskar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2002 Report Share Posted January 29, 2002 Jay Gurudev Dear Brothers This is really very sad to learn the mail of Birendra. He has really done it wrong. And I do agree with Ashish. The wrong is wrong. But as seen from his further mails, since he is dening from the mail, we may leave this things to him that let him find out the responsible person. And ASHISH dear, who has given you the authority to leave this group. You are not somebody who can leave without our consent. You are not going anywhere. Remember together we can and we will fight such nonsence forces. I know you are not going to leave but please show your presence. Birendra, now its up to you to stay here or not. But you have to bear for your/your account fault. And remember if you are guilty, gurudev will surely gave you the punishment. Let us all pray for peace Om Shanti...Om Shanti...Om Shanti.. Jay Gurudev Charanjit > Dear Anurag, > > True. What you say is true. But here the insult is in the form of an > accusation towards guruji regarding 'money' and not a spiritual > defamement. Spiritually yes...all of us can contribute in the form of > spirituality itself. Let us do that. If there is someone who is > accusing/absuing anyone of us or guruji in the belief/spirituality, > then each one have the right to deffend it as it concerns our soul > which inturn is under guruji. > > If a person belives that money should not be charged for these and > calls guruji as a pseudoguru..we should be feeling pity towards this > individual who does not understand the essence of these things. There > will be only bad blood between our thoughts and our deeds and each > other if we also fall into the same trap. > > Ashish, Birendra are all old members of this group who should > actually show restrain on these matters as it is from an individual > who does not understand or does not believe guruji. It is similar to > a hindu insulting a moslem or vice versa. We should not and cannot > question their beliefs as thats how they are. > Guru Tatva is not a religion. Had it been one, then there would not > be so many gurus in existance. All of us are working towards one > single goal - spirituality. Let us move towards it as an individual. > No point in showing discretion between one and all, as it will only > lead to stupid incidences. > > All of us have our own experiences towards spirituality. Some are > similar, and the others different. This group is to discuss our > ecperiences and inference about this element of spirituality, where > each one has a guru. So the spirituality is the common factor. Let us > work toward that. > > As youhave said, even the worst enemy of Guruji was shown the path of > the truth. So each one of us are different and will take time to come > to a common understanding. I cannot foce my understanding on anybody. > I can only explain my experience of the understanding. Some may feel > it stupid/crazy or non-ethical. But I as an individual know what I > have experienced and that is what will keep me on the path. A true > disciple will not waver from his path nor get affected by these > insults and accusations. Instead, he will try to explain to the > person why and why not based on his/her experience. The rest will be > taken care by the persons own reasoning and his guru and karma. > > It will only put the process of these feelings in a major unending > cycle with a lot of people hurt in the process. > > Let us try to restrain ourselves on the path of spirituality and not > get affected by such incidences. Only this will keep us all together > as an individual. Forgive and forget. OR Attack and regret. > > Vijay bhaskar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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