Guest guest Posted January 30, 2002 Report Share Posted January 30, 2002 Jai Gurudev, So, it has happened again. Another insult. More trash. Probably we were better off when it was being moderated. At least we didn't have to read such rubbish.I join Ashishji in wholescale condemnation of this slur. I guess, that nobody is trustworthy. Times change, people change, and their opinions change. People come to temples, Gurudev & God mostly in times of trouble. And then, they want solution to these troubling problems, problems which neither God nor pujya Gurudev created. Only the individual created himself by his own acts (either in this life or previous lives).For example, Gurudev never asked anyone to marry someone. People marry out of their own free will. And then once marital problems arise, they run to God & Gurudev for solution. Anyway, there isnt nothing wrong in going to God or Gurudev in times of problems. One remembers God only in need. The bad thing is that one forgets all this once one gets happy times again. One faces problems due to specific reasons. All lives (past, current and future) are interconnected. If, for example, you are facing job problems today, then it might be because of your ill-treatment towards others in previous lives. However, it doesnt mean that one should die of poverty due to mistakes committed in past lives. Solutions exist for every problem. One can solve any type of problem or realise any wish through Sadhanas. Tantra is a boon to us from our forefathers. BUT, it aint easy to perform Sadhanas. Sadhanas require fortitude, hard work, sincerity, trust, faithfulness, commitment etc. of the highest order. A person cant become millionaire by chanting a mantra 20 times for a week. This will , surely bring him nearer to the path, and will erase some old karmas, but wont erase all. And, when a person is moneyless, faced with court cases or diseases, then he, obviously isnt in the best frame of mind to perform Sadhanas. He might try, but his mind is apt to wonder around in absence of praanayam, tratak etc. Obviously when we have money, then we dont want to remember God or Gurudev. And during dire straits, we lack means to serve God or Gurudev. So, we want to have our cake and eat it too! This is NOT possible. There isnt a thing like a free lunch. The accounts of sins and pious tasks have to balanced evenly. Someone has to bear that sin. The sin has to be paid for.Sadhana is a highly effective method to erase this sin, provided ONE IS A SADHAK. And, then sometimes, out of piety and "karuna", pujya Gurudev sometimes offers to bear this sin by granting Diksha. Does the disciple realise that pujya Gurudev took his stomach cancer while granting Diksha! Does the disciple realise the various diseases and problems that Gurudev took upon Himself in this process. NO, he didnt. Being a highly wise man, he "saw through" the game! He considers it to be a commercial transaction. He paid some money, and pujya Gurudev placed His thumb on his forehead. Like the seven blind men touching various parts of a elephant, he just witnessed a part of the outward portion of it, and considered it to be all. In this materialistic world, any commercial minded person will never realise the significance of Diksha or Guru Sewa. He will never know or realise the spiritual elevation which that Diksha took him to. Most probably, this over-smart individual will remove the benfits of this Diksha by indulging in vice, drink or impure food; instead of performing Sadhanas to increase his positive spiritual energy and level. And, then, after a month, or a year, after his problems get solved, after his purpose gets fulfilled; he will start putting all these rough charges & accusations and start loose talk. I don't know why Pujya Gurudev grants Diksha to all such people. Maybe, out of kindness and piety; may be this is His Bholanath roop. MAybe, this is what drinking poison means. I have been lucky enough to see pujya Gurudev closely after grant of Diksha, and I have witnessed pujya Trimurti Gurudevs and Gurupariwar taking disciple's problems on Their own head, and bearing sins of the disciples. And they keep quite, on the contrary, they dont let anyone even notice the pain of granting the Diksha. What have you got to give to Gurudev for Diksha. Think in your own heart. Can you leave everything and work selflessly for Him and His cause. Can you give any knowledge to Him in return. He doesnt need these pitiful pennies from you for granting Diksha. The money is charged to make u realise the importance and significance of this Diksha. And all this money goes to charitable causes. A Guru cannot use a single paisa of the Diksha or anyother nyochaawar money on Himself. He will lose all the Sadhana power if He does so. This money is sacred money, and has to be put towards good causes. by the way, do u think that my Gurudevs need your money. The MTYV magazine has been published every month since 1981, and each issue contains at least 5-10 Lakshmi Sadhanas, Sadhanas to make one wealthy, to obtain money. A Guru who grants such Sadhanas to everyone, who has publicly turned paupers into millionaires, surely has Lakshmi dancing in His home. As an analogy, if Bill Gates asks u for 1000 bucks for giving a lecture, will he die of poverty if u cheat him and dont give him . What can u give him. Nothing, except accusations and criticisms. Think in your heart. How many perform Sadhanas regularly without fail. I am yet to come across anyone who faced failure after performing Sadhanas with pure heart, dedication, conviction and full effort. Who wants your money. Nobody. Who wants your sewa. Nobody. Everything was going properly, even 15 years ago, when you werent here. A Guru gives an opportunity to some select Sadhaks & disciples to do some sewa. The disciple swells with pride thinking that he is highly important & non-redundent; similar to Lord Hanuman who became ultra happy after lifting the Sanjeevani mountain (by chanting Ram naam). Lord Rama gave an opportunity to Lord Hanuman to do some sewa, and similarly, pujya Gurudev gives opportunity to some Sadhaks. And I have seen pujya Gurudev refusing to grant Dikshas to many people. I have seen refusals. Many persons have waited and stood in hot summer sun outside Delhi & Jodhpur Gurudham for weeks, only to be refused again and again. The ex UP state chief minister "something" Tiwari was refused Diksha and thrown out of shivir in mid- nineties.Only, very few people manage to get Diksha. I have only one suggestion to those who think that they can buy Diksha by paying money. DON'T. Your money isnt needed here. So, go home and spend it useless items like clothes (which will be torn & become rugs after some years), or cosmetics or anything else. I still feel that moderation was a better option, and maybe, we sud get the list moderated again. I have negligible knowledge regaarding Sadhanas, and I am absolutely incapable to contribute anything worthwhile to this forum. There aint any point in saying anything on Tantra unless one hasnt accumulated the power of Sadhanas. So, I had taken Sabbath from this forum. I was shaken out of my "retirement" by such an attack on the pure name of my Gurudev. I met Birendraji wayback in 1997 in Delhi Gurudham, and he seemed like a good fellow. Then, we met again on the . Still, I will give him the benfit of doubt and assume that a. someone else misused his account , or b. he has forgotten the guiding principles of Shraddha, Vishwas & Samarpan which we discussed near Gurudham in 1997. Still times change, and people forget. Like this UK wala person! I condemn all this namecalling, and will always fight against anyone who tries to smear the pure name of my pujya Trimurti Gurudevs. Please do not do loosetalk here. Goodbye. Wishing everyone all the best in all endeavours. Don't forget to perform Sadhana. Jai Gurudev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2002 Report Share Posted January 30, 2002 Dear Deshi Videshi Bhai Jaya Jaya Guru Dev Thank you very much for the email contribution. I went through each word in the message and felt likeit was coming out of my soul my heart and my pran. Knowing that I would not have been able to compose such thoughts into word. I contributed by dropping two drops of tars unto the lotus feet of Param Pujya Nikhil /Trimurti Guru Dev. My only prayer is please do not let the thought come to me so that my meager savings on Guru Bhakti will vanish. Pram Pujya Guru Dev ki Jyaya. Pram Bandaniya Mataji Ki Jaya. Siddhashram ke Rishi Muni yon ki Jaya bishnu Global Medicine Pvt. Ltd., 3/555 Harihar Bhavan P. O. Box 5659, Kathmandu, Nepal Fax 977 1 523282, Phone 977 1 528372 - desi_videshi <desi_videshi <> Wednesday, January 30, 2002 9:52 PM Et Tu Birendraji ! > Jai Gurudev, > So, it has happened again. Another insult. More trash. Probably we > were better off when it was being moderated. At least we didn't have > to read such rubbish.I join Ashishji in wholescale condemnation of > this slur. > I guess, that nobody is trustworthy. Times change, people change, and > their opinions change. > People come to temples, Gurudev & God mostly in times of trouble. And > then, they want solution to these troubling problems, problems which > neither God nor pujya Gurudev created. > Only the individual created himself by his own acts (either in this > life or previous lives).For example, Gurudev never asked anyone to > marry someone. People marry out of their own free will. And then once > marital problems arise, they run to God & Gurudev for solution. > Anyway, there isnt nothing wrong in going to God or Gurudev in times > of problems. One remembers God only in need. The bad thing is that > one forgets all this once one gets happy times again. > One faces problems due to specific reasons. All lives (past, current > and future) are interconnected. If, for example, you are facing job > problems today, then it might be because of your ill-treatment > towards others in previous lives. However, it doesnt mean that one > should die of poverty due to mistakes committed in past lives. > Solutions exist for every problem. One can solve any type of problem > or realise any wish through Sadhanas. Tantra is a boon to us from our > forefathers. > BUT, it aint easy to perform Sadhanas. Sadhanas require fortitude, > hard work, sincerity, trust, faithfulness, commitment etc. of the > highest order. A person cant become millionaire by chanting a mantra > 20 times for a week. This will , surely bring him nearer to the path, > and will erase some old karmas, but wont erase all. > And, when a person is moneyless, faced with court cases or diseases, > then he, obviously isnt in the best frame of mind to perform > Sadhanas. He might try, but his mind is apt to wonder around in > absence of praanayam, tratak etc. Obviously when we have money, then > we dont want to remember God or Gurudev. And during dire straits, we > lack means to serve God or Gurudev. So, we want to have our cake and > eat it too! > This is NOT possible. There isnt a thing like a free lunch. The > accounts of sins and pious tasks have to balanced evenly. Someone has > to bear that sin. The sin has to be paid for.Sadhana is a highly > effective method to erase this sin, provided ONE IS A SADHAK. > And, then sometimes, out of piety and "karuna", pujya Gurudev > sometimes offers to bear this sin by granting Diksha. Does the > disciple realise that pujya Gurudev took his stomach cancer while > granting Diksha! Does the disciple realise the various diseases and > problems that Gurudev took upon Himself in this process. > NO, he didnt. Being a highly wise man, he "saw through" the game! He > considers it to be a commercial transaction. He paid some money, and > pujya Gurudev placed His thumb on his forehead. Like the seven blind > men touching various parts of a elephant, he just witnessed a part of > the outward portion of it, and considered it to be all. > > In this materialistic world, any commercial minded person will never > realise the significance of Diksha or Guru Sewa. He will never know > or realise the spiritual elevation which that Diksha took him to. > Most probably, this over-smart individual will remove the benfits of > this Diksha by indulging in vice, drink or impure food; instead of > performing Sadhanas to increase his positive spiritual energy and > level. And, then, after a month, or a year, after his problems get > solved, after his purpose gets fulfilled; he will start putting > all these rough charges & accusations and start loose talk. > > I don't know why Pujya Gurudev grants Diksha to all such people. > Maybe, out of kindness and piety; may be this is His Bholanath roop. > MAybe, this is what drinking poison means. > > I have been lucky enough to see pujya Gurudev closely after grant of > Diksha, and I have witnessed pujya Trimurti Gurudevs and Gurupariwar > taking disciple's problems on Their own head, and bearing sins of the > disciples. And they keep quite, on the contrary, they dont let anyone > even notice the pain of granting the Diksha. > What have you got to give to Gurudev for Diksha. Think in your own > heart. Can you leave everything and work selflessly for Him and His > cause. Can you give any knowledge to Him in return. He doesnt need > these pitiful pennies from you for granting Diksha. The money is > charged to make u realise the importance and significance of this > Diksha. And all this money goes to charitable causes. A Guru cannot > use a single paisa of the Diksha or anyother nyochaawar money on > Himself. He will lose all the Sadhana power if He does so. This money > is sacred money, and has to be put towards good causes. > > by the way, do u think that my Gurudevs need your money. The MTYV > magazine has been published every month since 1981, and each issue > contains at least 5-10 Lakshmi Sadhanas, Sadhanas to make one > wealthy, to obtain money. A Guru who grants such Sadhanas to > everyone, who has publicly turned paupers into millionaires, surely > has Lakshmi dancing in His home. > As an analogy, if Bill Gates asks u for 1000 bucks for giving a > lecture, will he die of poverty if u cheat him and dont give him . > > What can u give him. Nothing, except accusations and criticisms. > Think in your heart. How many perform Sadhanas regularly without > fail. I am yet to come across anyone who faced failure after > performing Sadhanas with pure heart, dedication, conviction and full > effort. > Who wants your money. Nobody. Who wants your sewa. Nobody. Everything > was going properly, even 15 years ago, when you werent here. A Guru > gives an opportunity to some select Sadhaks & disciples to do some > sewa. The disciple swells with pride thinking that he is highly > important & non-redundent; similar to Lord Hanuman who became ultra > happy after lifting the Sanjeevani mountain (by chanting Ram naam). > Lord Rama gave an opportunity to Lord Hanuman to do some sewa, and > similarly, pujya Gurudev gives opportunity to some Sadhaks. > > And I have seen pujya Gurudev refusing to grant Dikshas to many > people. I have seen refusals. Many persons have waited and stood in > hot summer sun outside Delhi & Jodhpur Gurudham for weeks, only to be > refused again and again. The ex UP state chief minister > "something" Tiwari was refused Diksha and thrown out of shivir in mid- > nineties.Only, very few people manage to get Diksha. > > I have only one suggestion to those who think that they can buy > Diksha by paying money. DON'T. Your money isnt needed here. So, go > home and spend it useless items like clothes (which will be torn & > become rugs after some years), or cosmetics or anything else. > > I still feel that moderation was a better option, and maybe, we sud > get the list moderated again. > I have negligible knowledge regaarding Sadhanas, and I am absolutely > incapable to contribute anything worthwhile to this forum. There aint > any point in saying anything on Tantra unless one hasnt accumulated > the power of Sadhanas. So, I had taken Sabbath from this forum. I was > shaken out of my "retirement" by such an attack on the pure name of > my Gurudev. I met Birendraji wayback in 1997 in Delhi Gurudham, and > he seemed like a good fellow. Then, we met again on the . > Still, I will give him the benfit of doubt and assume that a. someone > else misused his account , or b. he has forgotten the guiding > principles of Shraddha, Vishwas & Samarpan which we discussed near > Gurudham in 1997. Still times change, and people forget. Like this UK > wala person! > > I condemn all this namecalling, and will always fight against anyone > who tries to smear the pure name of my pujya Trimurti Gurudevs. > > Please do not do loosetalk here. > Goodbye. Wishing everyone all the best in all endeavours. > Don't forget to perform Sadhana. > Jai Gurudev > > > > > Jay Gurudev > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2002 Report Share Posted January 30, 2002 Jay Gurudev Dear Arvind I am really happy to see that you are back. And many many thanks for this awakning message. I am fully agree with you. We cannot feel the pain of Guruji. This message will surely clear the doubts of many minds. Let me add to arvind's message that these kind of loose talk nobody can take us away from our Gurudev. WE ARE GOING TO LEAVE OUR GURUJI OR THIS GROUP. And all these loose talkers will surely suffer for their bad karma. Jai Gurudev Charanjit , "desi_videshi" <desi_videshi> wrote: > Jai Gurudev, > So, it has happened again. Another insult. More trash. Probably we > were better off when it was being moderated. At least we didn't have > to read such rubbish.I join Ashishji in wholescale condemnation of > this slur. > I guess, that nobody is trustworthy. Times change, people change, and > their opinions change. > People come to temples, Gurudev & God mostly in times of trouble. And > then, they want solution to these troubling problems, problems which > neither God nor pujya Gurudev created. > Only the individual created himself by his own acts (either in this > life or previous lives).For example, Gurudev never asked anyone to > marry someone. People marry out of their own free will. And then once > marital problems arise, they run to God & Gurudev for solution. > Anyway, there isnt nothing wrong in going to God or Gurudev in times > of problems. One remembers God only in need. The bad thing is that > one forgets all this once one gets happy times again. > One faces problems due to specific reasons. All lives (past, current > and future) are interconnected. If, for example, you are facing job > problems today, then it might be because of your ill-treatment > towards others in previous lives. However, it doesnt mean that one > should die of poverty due to mistakes committed in past lives. > Solutions exist for every problem. One can solve any type of problem > or realise any wish through Sadhanas. Tantra is a boon to us from our > forefathers. > BUT, it aint easy to perform Sadhanas. Sadhanas require fortitude, > hard work, sincerity, trust, faithfulness, commitment etc. of the > highest order. A person cant become millionaire by chanting a mantra > 20 times for a week. This will , surely bring him nearer to the path, > and will erase some old karmas, but wont erase all. > And, when a person is moneyless, faced with court cases or diseases, > then he, obviously isnt in the best frame of mind to perform > Sadhanas. He might try, but his mind is apt to wonder around in > absence of praanayam, tratak etc. Obviously when we have money, then > we dont want to remember God or Gurudev. And during dire straits, we > lack means to serve God or Gurudev. So, we want to have our cake and > eat it too! > This is NOT possible. There isnt a thing like a free lunch. The > accounts of sins and pious tasks have to balanced evenly. Someone has > to bear that sin. The sin has to be paid for.Sadhana is a highly > effective method to erase this sin, provided ONE IS A SADHAK. > And, then sometimes, out of piety and "karuna", pujya Gurudev > sometimes offers to bear this sin by granting Diksha. Does the > disciple realise that pujya Gurudev took his stomach cancer while > granting Diksha! Does the disciple realise the various diseases and > problems that Gurudev took upon Himself in this process. > NO, he didnt. Being a highly wise man, he "saw through" the game! He > considers it to be a commercial transaction. He paid some money, and > pujya Gurudev placed His thumb on his forehead. Like the seven blind > men touching various parts of a elephant, he just witnessed a part of > the outward portion of it, and considered it to be all. > > In this materialistic world, any commercial minded person will never > realise the significance of Diksha or Guru Sewa. He will never know > or realise the spiritual elevation which that Diksha took him to. > Most probably, this over-smart individual will remove the benfits of > this Diksha by indulging in vice, drink or impure food; instead of > performing Sadhanas to increase his positive spiritual energy and > level. And, then, after a month, or a year, after his problems get > solved, after his purpose gets fulfilled; he will start putting > all these rough charges & accusations and start loose talk. > > I don't know why Pujya Gurudev grants Diksha to all such people. > Maybe, out of kindness and piety; may be this is His Bholanath roop. > MAybe, this is what drinking poison means. > > I have been lucky enough to see pujya Gurudev closely after grant of > Diksha, and I have witnessed pujya Trimurti Gurudevs and Gurupariwar > taking disciple's problems on Their own head, and bearing sins of the > disciples. And they keep quite, on the contrary, they dont let anyone > even notice the pain of granting the Diksha. > What have you got to give to Gurudev for Diksha. Think in your own > heart. Can you leave everything and work selflessly for Him and His > cause. Can you give any knowledge to Him in return. He doesnt need > these pitiful pennies from you for granting Diksha. The money is > charged to make u realise the importance and significance of this > Diksha. And all this money goes to charitable causes. A Guru cannot > use a single paisa of the Diksha or anyother nyochaawar money on > Himself. He will lose all the Sadhana power if He does so. This money > is sacred money, and has to be put towards good causes. > > by the way, do u think that my Gurudevs need your money. The MTYV > magazine has been published every month since 1981, and each issue > contains at least 5-10 Lakshmi Sadhanas, Sadhanas to make one > wealthy, to obtain money. A Guru who grants such Sadhanas to > everyone, who has publicly turned paupers into millionaires, surely > has Lakshmi dancing in His home. > As an analogy, if Bill Gates asks u for 1000 bucks for giving a > lecture, will he die of poverty if u cheat him and dont give him . > > What can u give him. Nothing, except accusations and criticisms. > Think in your heart. How many perform Sadhanas regularly without > fail. I am yet to come across anyone who faced failure after > performing Sadhanas with pure heart, dedication, conviction and full > effort. > Who wants your money. Nobody. Who wants your sewa. Nobody. Everything > was going properly, even 15 years ago, when you werent here. A Guru > gives an opportunity to some select Sadhaks & disciples to do some > sewa. The disciple swells with pride thinking that he is highly > important & non-redundent; similar to Lord Hanuman who became ultra > happy after lifting the Sanjeevani mountain (by chanting Ram naam). > Lord Rama gave an opportunity to Lord Hanuman to do some sewa, and > similarly, pujya Gurudev gives opportunity to some Sadhaks. > > And I have seen pujya Gurudev refusing to grant Dikshas to many > people. I have seen refusals. Many persons have waited and stood in > hot summer sun outside Delhi & Jodhpur Gurudham for weeks, only to be > refused again and again. The ex UP state chief minister > "something" Tiwari was refused Diksha and thrown out of shivir in mid- > nineties.Only, very few people manage to get Diksha. > > I have only one suggestion to those who think that they can buy > Diksha by paying money. DON'T. Your money isnt needed here. So, go > home and spend it useless items like clothes (which will be torn & > become rugs after some years), or cosmetics or anything else. > > I still feel that moderation was a better option, and maybe, we sud > get the list moderated again. > I have negligible knowledge regaarding Sadhanas, and I am absolutely > incapable to contribute anything worthwhile to this forum. There aint > any point in saying anything on Tantra unless one hasnt accumulated > the power of Sadhanas. So, I had taken Sabbath from this forum. I was > shaken out of my "retirement" by such an attack on the pure name of > my Gurudev. I met Birendraji wayback in 1997 in Delhi Gurudham, and > he seemed like a good fellow. Then, we met again on the . > Still, I will give him the benfit of doubt and assume that a. someone > else misused his account , or b. he has forgotten the guiding > principles of Shraddha, Vishwas & Samarpan which we discussed near > Gurudham in 1997. Still times change, and people forget. Like this UK > wala person! > > I condemn all this namecalling, and will always fight against anyone > who tries to smear the pure name of my pujya Trimurti Gurudevs. > > Please do not do loosetalk here. > Goodbye. Wishing everyone all the best in all endeavours. > Don't forget to perform Sadhana. > Jai Gurudev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2002 Report Share Posted January 31, 2002 -- > Let me add to arvind's message that these kind of loose talk nobody > can take us away from our Gurudev. WE ARE GOING TO LEAVE OUR GURUJI > OR THIS GROUP. And all these loose talkers will surely suffer for > their bad karma. > Dear brothers, Looks like there was a commotion here in my absence. I am not going to comment on that message . My computer is still non functional, and I may not be able to write in the future. I am checking this list from outside. But I have a question. Why are you people not willing to give this brother of mine some benefit of doubt?? Why not try to listen to what he is saying?? There are 2 possiblities: 1- birendra wrote that mail. Ok it is guruji's job to see what punishment to offer him, or perhaps most likely he will forgive him. Our job is not to stand there and clap happily when we see him being punished. If he deserved brickbats he has got enough from you all already. He is not an outsider here. He has been here for a while. That does not mean that he is above making mistakes, but none of us are. If I ever have any doubt about anything pertaining to gurudham, I go and say it right before the picture of guruji, and ask him for guidance. I never pretend to believe what I am not able to. OK so guruji can punish me, if he chooses, or remove my ignorance, or just laugh at this growing up child's curious comments. It is entirely between him and me. Similarly brother birendra's fate is between him and guruji. You people have done your job of defending guruji. I am sure guruji will be proud of you all. Now lay the matter at guruji's feet in the name of the association you have had with this brother. Learn to think with the heart of a woman sometimes. Guruji always emphasized that. 2-birendra did not write that mail, and someone else did. In that case will you stop cursing birendra and start cursing this person. In fact you will go out of your way to punish him. Yes? Ok good. Now, if you find this person's true reasons, and find that brother birendra actually made some offence, which you all too like this unknown member of wish to condemn, will you start cursing brother birendra again? We do not know all truths. GOD does and so does guruji. So let them sit in judgment on this issue. If brother birendra wishes to prove he is innocent, I leave it up to him to find out, ask this person and settle scores. If the net result is that this person is evil we will happily join him in condemning him. But not yet. I am not interested in playing Sherlock Holmes in helping him sort this matter I have better things to do. If anyone is interested, he can join brother birendra. But, please listen to him - follow the dictum of innocent until proven guilty, forgive him, pretend that this never happened and accept him back. If you people have any doubts about him, lay them at guruji's feet. He will know what best to do about the matter. If guruji wants to give me the right to, i want to publically forgive him. I sincerely request that this matter be closed, that this brother be forgiven on benefit of doubt, and taken back to the group. Also, I may not be around for a long long time because of my system problems etc. Jai gurudev Good bye Anu Meanwhile to change the topic, dear charanjit, you forgot your own verdict of removing unnecessary portion from a mail. please be careful in my absence! very good bye again anu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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