Guest guest Posted March 28, 2002 Report Share Posted March 28, 2002 JAI GURUDEV Hello Super Angle... > I would like to draw your attention to the part where "X-Sender: > birendra_m" figures in almost all the original mails > from "Birendra_m", the imposter mail figures "X-Sender: > apache@O...". Yes, I just saw that. But, both Mail and this group are running on Apache Server. > This almost clearly shows that the controversial mail was send by > some imposter and it seems that he do not require to log onto the > accounts to send mails. Then, the imposter must be a very intelligent and smart person. I wonder, why would someone want to defame Birendra? > Hope, this clears "Birendra_M" name from the muddle. Yes, it does. Thanks for clearing this up. Sorry Birendra, I doubted you. Happy Holi. Ashish... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2002 Report Share Posted March 28, 2002 Jai Gurudev, Hi Nikhilashish, Yes, i agree that mail runs on apache too, like most popular servers, but the sending mail server in that mail is "Osric.Nerdland.Net" and not "". Thanks Super Angel --- nikhilashish <nikhilashish wrote: <HR> <html><body> <tt> JAI GURUDEV<BR> Hello Super Angle...<BR> <BR> > I would like to draw your attention to the part where "X-Sender: <BR> > birendra_m" figures in almost all the original mails <BR> > from "Birendra_m", the imposter mail figures "X-Sender: <BR> > apache@O...".<BR> <BR> Yes, I just saw that. But, both Mail and this group are running <BR> on Apache Server.<BR> <BR> > This almost clearly shows that the controversial mail was send by <BR> > some imposter and it seems that he do not require to log onto the <BR> > accounts to send mails.<BR> <BR> Then, the imposter must be a very intelligent and smart person. I <BR> wonder, why would someone want to defame Birendra?<BR> <BR> > Hope, this clears "Birendra_M" name from the muddle.<BR> <BR> Yes, it does. Thanks for clearing this up. Sorry Birendra, I doubted <BR> you.<BR> <BR> Happy Holi.<BR> <BR> Ashish...<BR> <BR> </tt> <br> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2> <tr bgcolor=#FFFFCC> <td align=center><font size="-1" color=#003399><b> Sponsor</b></font></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor=#FFFFFF> <td align=center width=470><table border=0 cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0><tr><td align=center><font face=arial size=-2></font><br><a href="http://rd./M=217097.1902236.3412362.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705077\ 360:HM/A=999859/R=0/*of Service</a>.</tt> </br> </body></html> ______________________ For live cricket scores download Score Tracker at: http://in.sports./cricket/tracker.html''>http://in.sports./cricket/tracker.html'>http://in.sports./cricket/tracker.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2002 Report Share Posted March 28, 2002 dear ashish, Mother when she learns that her child is a bad one she dosent discard her right away , she tries to mentor him,due to her love/care for him. as you might be aware of the famous quote which i an not able to put it correctly but There can be bad sons but not a bad mother which i believe in most cases to be true. so iam not angry on u nor anyone,but lot of energy and time have been wasted due to this... i request u and others to be more careful abt how we percieve and react to situations. its nice that this super angel has cleared the case, what happens if he did not do, you would always live under false impression that i am a Guru traitor. u see how vulnerable is the judging machinery/system. That is why i request all the members to develop a heartful attitude to the people whom u used to believe, be soft first then turn harsh if the other person whom u know dosent change. you cant be harsh right away with the person u know. There should be some difference between a stranger and close/dear one. i heartfully wish all good things for the people who refused to believe it to be true and made attempts to be on my side. who will take care of my beloved, if i leave u. HAPPY HOLI GOOD LUCK TAKE CARE Jai Gurudev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2002 Report Share Posted March 28, 2002 JAI GURUDEV Hello Birendra... > Mother when she learns that her child is a bad one she dosent > discard her right away , she tries to mentor him,due to her > love/care for him. > There can be bad sons but not a bad mother which i believe in most > cases to be true. And how this fits in this case? I am neither your mother nor your Guru who is also considered mother of a disciple. And please, don't tell me that you consider yourself my mother > i request u and others to be more careful abt how we percieve and > react to situations. Well, my reaction wasn't in vein. That mail carried your email address. The content resembled your writing style. If I had better knowledge of mail headers, I would not have suspected you. Moreover, you were trying to convict GDham for this drama. How could I possibly have believed that? Anyway, thanks to Super Angle, it is over. After getting his post, I called a few techie friends, shuffled a few books, searched the web and after a few hours of hard work, I got this: This is the header of that mail ###################################### Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 25 Jan 2002 10:03:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 4414 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2002 10:03:01 - 0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv. with QMQP; 25 Jan 2002 10:03:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Osric.Nerdland.Net) (67.160.188.254) by mta1.grp.snv. with SMTP; 25 Jan 2002 10:03:01 -0000 Received: (from apache@l...) by Osric.Nerdland.Net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0PA3wE29361; ###################################### It contains three IP address: 8.11.6, 67.160.188.254, 216.115.97.167. To find more about these, I did IP whois at combat.uxn.com. I found out that the first one, 8.11.6, is of an unknown Brazilian location; the second one, 67.160.188.254 belongs to @Home Network, 425 Broadway, Redwood City, CA 94063, US; and the last one, 216.115.97.167, is of , 701 First Avenue, Sunnyvale, CA 94089, US. I also tried to visit Osric.Nerdland.Net, but I couldn't. So, the mail originated from Brazil, travelled to Redwood City, CA before finally being delivered to at Sunnyvale, CA. It appears that the sender was in Brazil and the smtp server was in Redwood City, CA, US. As you can see, everything happened in the American continents. Gurudham people, the moderator, Anurag, I, Charanjit, Anu and Arvind can not send this mail. Do you have any enemy in Brazil? I really couldn't understand, why would anyone want to defame you? I had also considered the possibility that you might have done something what you, a disciple of Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali, should never do and Guruji punished you by making you loose your honour in public. Anyway, that was just a wild hunch. I am glad to know that it wasn't you. Have a nice day. Ashish... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2002 Report Share Posted March 28, 2002 Dear ashish > > > Mother when she learns that her child is a bad one she dosent > > discard her right away , she tries to mentor him,due to her > > love/care for him. > > There can be bad sons but not a bad mother which i believe in most > > cases to be true. > > And how this fits in this case? I am neither your mother nor your > Guru who is also considered mother of a disciple. And please, don't > tell me that you consider yourself my mother i was in the middle of something so could not write/express properly, what i meant was some things can be resolved, some cant! what happens if u could not find out for quite a long time and super angel dosent exist? you would have seen me as a traitor,and some other group members too would have done the same thing. so iam taking the blame unncesscarily. its a destructive business, i believe that every thing should be constructive, even if it comes to the matter of chiding ,be it a friend or enemy, the attitude of constructive thinking is very difficult to get when applied to enemies,its a matter of good character which we should all try to get. iam not trying to argue with u. A heartful attitude is the constructive thinking by the mother/God shown to us in form of grace. so we have to recognise that this exists and focus our efforts in getting there, otherwise how can we differentiate between ourselves and the ones that dont have a Guru. Even after having Guru if we dont think this high? how does it make sense. what i meant was neither iam ur mother nor ur mine, we had an understanding which i felt that there was a heart element to it (0.5% or whatever of the mothers care/Gods care). so we should try to focus on those things and see that this kind of things dont disrupt us. the whole one yr of understanding was dumped by just one mail, WHY? we have to focus our effort in trying to understand the real problem and work towards it. > > > i request u and others to be more careful abt how we percieve and > > react to situations. > > Well, my reaction wasn't in vein. That mail carried your email > address. The content resembled your writing style. If I had better > knowledge of mail headers, I would not have suspected you. My friend ,if everything would have been so clear no one would have suspected me(freind/non friend/first timer), what is the difference between u and the first timer to the website. even after one yr both stand at the same level. i personally see the flaw in our relationship for which both are accountable in a way. if u would have written the letter i would not have believed it. i dont go by all this mental exercise, which i personally feel is not as robust and fool proof as my hearts voice. some day u/others will realise the importance of u r hearts voice, fo r that u have to be really vigilant. then how can one decieve if things are clear, Moreover, > you were trying to convict GDham for this drama. How could I possibly > have believed that? > i was only guessing, i am not interesteted in the conviction business. > Anyway, thanks to Super Angle, it is over. After getting his post, its not over, we have to see that we have really addressed the problem, even if it takes to change once own character.u still go by ur head and it dosent solve to me the problem still is there as long as u decide by ur head the problem is solved when once the HEART RULES THE HEAD AND NOT THE OTHER WAY ROUND. I > called a few techie friends, shuffled a few books, searched the web > and after a few hours of hard work, I got this: > > This is the header of that mail > ###################################### > Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 25 Jan 2002 10:03:05 -0000 > Received: (qmail 4414 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2002 10:03:01 - > 0000 > Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) > by m2.grp.snv. with QMQP; 25 Jan 2002 10:03:01 -0000 > Received: from unknown (HELO Osric.Nerdland.Net) (67.160.188.254) > by mta1.grp.snv. with SMTP; 25 Jan 2002 10:03:01 -0000 > Received: (from apache@l...) > by Osric.Nerdland.Net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0PA3wE29361; > ###################################### > > It contains three IP address: 8.11.6, 67.160.188.254, 216.115.97.167. > To find more about these, I did IP whois at combat.uxn.com. I found > out that the first one, 8.11.6, is of an unknown Brazilian location; > the second one, 67.160.188.254 belongs to @Home Network, 425 > Broadway, Redwood City, CA 94063, US; and the last one, > 216.115.97.167, is of , 701 First Avenue, Sunnyvale, CA 94089, > US. > > I also tried to visit Osric.Nerdland.Net, but I couldn't. > > So, the mail originated from Brazil, travelled to Redwood City, CA > before finally being delivered to at Sunnyvale, CA. It appears > that the sender was in Brazil and the smtp server was in Redwood > City, CA, US. As you can see, everything happened in the American > continents. Gurudham people, the moderator, Anurag, I, Charanjit, Anu > and Arvind can not send this mail. Do you have any enemy in Brazil? > > I really couldn't understand, why would anyone want to defame you? I I too dont understand, OH MY GOD u have done so much of research. > had also considered the possibility that you might have done > something what you, a disciple of Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali, should > never do and Guruji punished you by making you loose your honour in > public. Anyway, that was just a wild hunch. see i may be impure, but my love toward my Guru/God is very intense. did u not hear/read in Gurugita that a person may be bad but as long as he has the love for his Lord/Gurudev he will be taken care by the Lord/Gurudev and there is nothing to worry about. why do u people think that u only have love/devotion to Gurudev and while others dont have that much. > > I am glad to know that it wasn't you. Have a nice day. ashish i m really sorry to write this way, i am also sorry that u are taking all this on behalf of other similar members too.. pls forgive me/other meembers if they feel hurt. its all over, ihave learnt few constructive lessons, i hope it remains the same experience for other too... Take care and let me know if u want any help from my side, i ll try to do my best . Take care. Jai Gurudev > > Ashish... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2002 Report Share Posted March 28, 2002 JAI GURUDEV > the whole one yr of understanding was dumped by just one mail, WHY? Don't ask me. Ask Guruji; ask yourself. > what is the difference between u and the first timer to > the website. even after one yr both stand at the same level. Really? Am I expected to become a saint or go on throwing philosophy everywhere like you? > my hearts voice. Your heart speaks? > > Moreover, you were trying to convict GDham for this drama. How > > could I possibly have believed that? > i was only guessing, i am not interesteted in the conviction > business. That was more than a GUESS. You said that GDham people are angry because you have other Gurus and they desparately want to kick you out of this group. Come one, Biru; GDham people are not monsters; they are very gentle and tolerent people. > its not over, we have to see that we have really addressed the > problem, even if it takes to change once own character.u still > go by ur head and it dosent solve to me the problem still is > there as long as u decide by ur head Isn't that natural? Thinking is my brain's functions. The heart is a tinker toy, a mere pump. Sorry, I'm not an alien. > why do u people think that u only have love/devotion to Gurudev > and while others dont have that much. I never claimed that. This is what you have been saying for a long time. You are free to reach your conclusions just as I am to reach mine. By the way, is it a philosophical way to say that only you have love / devotion for guruji? > ashish i m really sorry to write this way So am I. I returned to this group just to fulfill my duty. I was the first person to smack you for writing that mail and when it has been proved otherwise, I considered it my duty to be the first one to apologize. I was harsh on you because if Pakistan attacks India, I won't be surprised; but if Russia attacks India, I would surely be. Have a nice day. Ashish... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2002 Report Share Posted March 29, 2002 ashish, you have done few things which i didnt expect you do. You are devoted to my Beloved Gurudev, due to this fact,iam restraining from replying to your mail. i never anticipated this sort of reply from you,if i would have known this, i would not have written at all. JaiGurudev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2002 Report Share Posted March 29, 2002 Birendra... It seems, I have hurt you. I shouldn't have done this. I am extremely sorry. Please, forgive me. Ashish... , "birendra_m" <birendra_m> wrote: > ashish, > > you have done few things which i didnt expect you do. > > You are devoted to my Beloved Gurudev, due to this fact,iam > restraining from replying to your mail. > > i never anticipated this sort of reply from you,if i would have known > this, i would not have written at all. > > JaiGurudev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2002 Report Share Posted March 30, 2002 > > It seems, I have hurt you. I shouldn't have done this. I am extremely > sorry. Please, forgive me. > Dear ashsih, we are united in one soul by the way we are devoted to our beloved, as long as that remains , nothing can cause a rift among us. There is nothing to forgive. For any help let me know affectionately Jai Gurudev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2002 Report Share Posted April 11, 2002 -- i hope that guruji blesses us all with toleranance, forgiveness and oneness like he did to two these two brothers. may anger, bitterness, hatred , jealousy, clash of egoes lies, deceit, manipulations, cunningness, enimosity and smallness of character never touch us again. jai gurudev anu > > > > > It seems, I have hurt you. I shouldn't have done this. I am > extremely > > sorry. Please, forgive me. > > > > Dear ashsih, > > we are united in one soul by the way we are devoted to our beloved, > as long as that remains , nothing can cause a rift among us. > There is nothing to forgive. > > For any help let me know > > > affectionately > Jai Gurudev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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