Guest guest Posted May 18, 2002 Report Share Posted May 18, 2002 Jai Gurudev! This was posted by desi_videshi way back about the money controversy. I hope this helps! Also, can anyone verify my question about sending a photo through internet or printing it out and sending via mail. , "desi_videshi" <desi_videshi> wrote: > Jai Gurudev, > So, it has happened again. Another insult. More trash. Probably we > were better off when it was being moderated. At least we didn't have > to read such rubbish.I join Ashishji in wholescale condemnation of > this slur. > I guess, that nobody is trustworthy. Times change, people change, and > their opinions change. > People come to temples, Gurudev & God mostly in times of trouble. And > then, they want solution to these troubling problems, problems which > neither God nor pujya Gurudev created. > Only the individual created himself by his own acts (either in this > life or previous lives).For example, Gurudev never asked anyone to > marry someone. People marry out of their own free will. And then once > marital problems arise, they run to God & Gurudev for solution. > Anyway, there isnt nothing wrong in going to God or Gurudev in times > of problems. One remembers God only in need. The bad thing is that > one forgets all this once one gets happy times again. > One faces problems due to specific reasons. All lives (past, current > and future) are interconnected. If, for example, you are facing job > problems today, then it might be because of your ill-treatment > towards others in previous lives. However, it doesnt mean that one > should die of poverty due to mistakes committed in past lives. > Solutions exist for every problem. One can solve any type of problem > or realise any wish through Sadhanas. Tantra is a boon to us from our > forefathers. > BUT, it aint easy to perform Sadhanas. Sadhanas require fortitude, > hard work, sincerity, trust, faithfulness, commitment etc. of the > highest order. A person cant become millionaire by chanting a mantra > 20 times for a week. This will , surely bring him nearer to the path, > and will erase some old karmas, but wont erase all. > And, when a person is moneyless, faced with court cases or diseases, > then he, obviously isnt in the best frame of mind to perform > Sadhanas. He might try, but his mind is apt to wonder around in > absence of praanayam, tratak etc. Obviously when we have money, then > we dont want to remember God or Gurudev. And during dire straits, we > lack means to serve God or Gurudev. So, we want to have our cake and > eat it too! > This is NOT possible. There isnt a thing like a free lunch. The > accounts of sins and pious tasks have to balanced evenly. Someone has > to bear that sin. The sin has to be paid for.Sadhana is a highly > effective method to erase this sin, provided ONE IS A SADHAK. > And, then sometimes, out of piety and "karuna", pujya Gurudev > sometimes offers to bear this sin by granting Diksha. Does the > disciple realise that pujya Gurudev took his stomach cancer while > granting Diksha! Does the disciple realise the various diseases and > problems that Gurudev took upon Himself in this process. > NO, he didnt. Being a highly wise man, he "saw through" the game! He > considers it to be a commercial transaction. He paid some money, and > pujya Gurudev placed His thumb on his forehead. Like the seven blind > men touching various parts of a elephant, he just witnessed a part of > the outward portion of it, and considered it to be all. > > In this materialistic world, any commercial minded person will never > realise the significance of Diksha or Guru Sewa. He will never know > or realise the spiritual elevation which that Diksha took him to. > Most probably, this over-smart individual will remove the benfits of > this Diksha by indulging in vice, drink or impure food; instead of > performing Sadhanas to increase his positive spiritual energy and > level. And, then, after a month, or a year, after his problems get > solved, after his purpose gets fulfilled; he will start putting > all these rough charges & accusations and start loose talk. > > I don't know why Pujya Gurudev grants Diksha to all such people. > Maybe, out of kindness and piety; may be this is His Bholanath roop. > MAybe, this is what drinking poison means. > > I have been lucky enough to see pujya Gurudev closely after grant of > Diksha, and I have witnessed pujya Trimurti Gurudevs and Gurupariwar > taking disciple's problems on Their own head, and bearing sins of the > disciples. And they keep quite, on the contrary, they dont let anyone > even notice the pain of granting the Diksha. > What have you got to give to Gurudev for Diksha. Think in your own > heart. Can you leave everything and work selflessly for Him and His > cause. Can you give any knowledge to Him in return. He doesnt need > these pitiful pennies from you for granting Diksha. The money is > charged to make u realise the importance and significance of this > Diksha. And all this money goes to charitable causes. A Guru cannot > use a single paisa of the Diksha or anyother nyochaawar money on > Himself. He will lose all the Sadhana power if He does so. This money > is sacred money, and has to be put towards good causes. > > by the way, do u think that my Gurudevs need your money. The MTYV > magazine has been published every month since 1981, and each issue > contains at least 5-10 Lakshmi Sadhanas, Sadhanas to make one > wealthy, to obtain money. A Guru who grants such Sadhanas to > everyone, who has publicly turned paupers into millionaires, surely > has Lakshmi dancing in His home. > As an analogy, if Bill Gates asks u for 1000 bucks for giving a > lecture, will he die of poverty if u cheat him and dont give him . > > What can u give him. Nothing, except accusations and criticisms. > Think in your heart. How many perform Sadhanas regularly without > fail. I am yet to come across anyone who faced failure after > performing Sadhanas with pure heart, dedication, conviction and full > effort. > Who wants your money. Nobody. Who wants your sewa. Nobody. Everything > was going properly, even 15 years ago, when you werent here. A Guru > gives an opportunity to some select Sadhaks & disciples to do some > sewa. The disciple swells with pride thinking that he is highly > important & non-redundent; similar to Lord Hanuman who became ultra > happy after lifting the Sanjeevani mountain (by chanting Ram naam). > Lord Rama gave an opportunity to Lord Hanuman to do some sewa, and > similarly, pujya Gurudev gives opportunity to some Sadhaks. > > And I have seen pujya Gurudev refusing to grant Dikshas to many > people. I have seen refusals. Many persons have waited and stood in > hot summer sun outside Delhi & Jodhpur Gurudham for weeks, only to be > refused again and again. The ex UP state chief minister > "something" Tiwari was refused Diksha and thrown out of shivir in mid- > nineties.Only, very few people manage to get Diksha. > > I have only one suggestion to those who think that they can buy > Diksha by paying money. DON'T. Your money isnt needed here. So, go > home and spend it useless items like clothes (which will be torn & > become rugs after some years), or cosmetics or anything else. > > I still feel that moderation was a better option, and maybe, we sud > get the list moderated again. > I have negligible knowledge regaarding Sadhanas, and I am absolutely > incapable to contribute anything worthwhile to this forum. There aint > any point in saying anything on Tantra unless one hasnt accumulated > the power of Sadhanas. So, I had taken Sabbath from this forum. I was > shaken out of my "retirement" by such an attack on the pure name of > my Gurudev. I met Birendraji wayback in 1997 in Delhi Gurudham, and > he seemed like a good fellow. Then, we met again on the . > Still, I will give him the benfit of doubt and assume that a. someone > else misused his account , or b. he has forgotten the guiding > principles of Shraddha, Vishwas & Samarpan which we discussed near > Gurudham in 1997. Still times change, and people forget. Like this UK > wala person! > > I condemn all this namecalling, and will always fight against anyone > who tries to smear the pure name of my pujya Trimurti Gurudevs. > > Please do not do loosetalk here. > Goodbye. Wishing everyone all the best in all endeavours. > Don't forget to perform Sadhana. > Jai Gurudev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2002 Report Share Posted May 19, 2002 thanks for the info.. i wanted to know if it is cheaper if money is sent from india in the indian currency because im a student and the amount asked is pretty much beyond my capacity. im really interested in getting diksha or learning more about it. i have contacted the gurudham about the mantra tantra vigyan magazine. i was looking if someone knows any good books about diksha and the concept behind it. ive seen a lot but am confused. so if someone could recommend it ill be very grateful. thanks a lot..still looking for answers for my previous post about the concept of guru. thanks a lot people uve been a great help..thanks rohit birendra anupamshil and all others who took the pains to answer my questions may god bless u ashu , "souljas_1" <souljas_1> wrote: > Jai Gurudev! This was posted by desi_videshi way back about the > money > controversy. I hope this helps! Also, can anyone verify my question > about sending a photo through internet or printing it out and sending > via mail. > > > > > , "desi_videshi" <desi_videshi> wrote: > > Jai Gurudev, > > So, it has happened again. Another insult. More trash. Probably we > > were better off when it was being moderated. At least we didn't > have > > to read such rubbish.I join Ashishji in wholescale condemnation of > > this slur. > > I guess, that nobody is trustworthy. Times change, people change, > and > > their opinions change. > > People come to temples, Gurudev & God mostly in times of trouble. > And > > then, they want solution to these troubling problems, problems > which > > neither God nor pujya Gurudev created. > > Only the individual created himself by his own acts (either in this > > life or previous lives).For example, Gurudev never asked anyone to > > marry someone. People marry out of their own free will. And then > once > > marital problems arise, they run to God & Gurudev for solution. > > Anyway, there isnt nothing wrong in going to God or Gurudev in > times > > of problems. One remembers God only in need. The bad thing is that > > one forgets all this once one gets happy times again. > > One faces problems due to specific reasons. All lives (past, > current > > and future) are interconnected. If, for example, you are facing job > > problems today, then it might be because of your ill-treatment > > towards others in previous lives. However, it doesnt mean that one > > should die of poverty due to mistakes committed in past lives. > > Solutions exist for every problem. One can solve any type of > problem > > or realise any wish through Sadhanas. Tantra is a boon to us from > our > > forefathers. > > BUT, it aint easy to perform Sadhanas. Sadhanas require fortitude, > > hard work, sincerity, trust, faithfulness, commitment etc. of the > > highest order. A person cant become millionaire by chanting a > mantra > > 20 times for a week. This will , surely bring him nearer to the > path, > > and will erase some old karmas, but wont erase all. > > And, when a person is moneyless, faced with court cases or > diseases, > > then he, obviously isnt in the best frame of mind to perform > > Sadhanas. He might try, but his mind is apt to wonder around in > > absence of praanayam, tratak etc. Obviously when we have money, > then > > we dont want to remember God or Gurudev. And during dire straits, > we > > lack means to serve God or Gurudev. So, we want to have our cake > and > > eat it too! > > This is NOT possible. There isnt a thing like a free lunch. The > > accounts of sins and pious tasks have to balanced evenly. Someone > has > > to bear that sin. The sin has to be paid for.Sadhana is a highly > > effective method to erase this sin, provided ONE IS A SADHAK. > > And, then sometimes, out of piety and "karuna", pujya Gurudev > > sometimes offers to bear this sin by granting Diksha. Does the > > disciple realise that pujya Gurudev took his stomach cancer while > > granting Diksha! Does the disciple realise the various diseases and > > problems that Gurudev took upon Himself in this process. > > NO, he didnt. Being a highly wise man, he "saw through" the game! > He > > considers it to be a commercial transaction. He paid some money, > and > > pujya Gurudev placed His thumb on his forehead. Like the seven > blind > > men touching various parts of a elephant, he just witnessed a part > of > > the outward portion of it, and considered it to be all. > > > > In this materialistic world, any commercial minded person will > never > > realise the significance of Diksha or Guru Sewa. He will never know > > or realise the spiritual elevation which that Diksha took him to. > > Most probably, this over-smart individual will remove the benfits > of > > this Diksha by indulging in vice, drink or impure food; instead of > > performing Sadhanas to increase his positive spiritual energy and > > level. And, then, after a month, or a year, after his problems get > > solved, after his purpose gets fulfilled; he will start putting > > all these rough charges & accusations and start loose talk. > > > > I don't know why Pujya Gurudev grants Diksha to all such people. > > Maybe, out of kindness and piety; may be this is His Bholanath > roop. > > MAybe, this is what drinking poison means. > > > > I have been lucky enough to see pujya Gurudev closely after grant > of > > Diksha, and I have witnessed pujya Trimurti Gurudevs and > Gurupariwar > > taking disciple's problems on Their own head, and bearing sins of > the > > disciples. And they keep quite, on the contrary, they dont let > anyone > > even notice the pain of granting the Diksha. > > What have you got to give to Gurudev for Diksha. Think in your own > > heart. Can you leave everything and work selflessly for Him and His > > cause. Can you give any knowledge to Him in return. He doesnt need > > these pitiful pennies from you for granting Diksha. The money is > > charged to make u realise the importance and significance of this > > Diksha. And all this money goes to charitable causes. A Guru cannot > > use a single paisa of the Diksha or anyother nyochaawar money on > > Himself. He will lose all the Sadhana power if He does so. This > money > > is sacred money, and has to be put towards good causes. > > > > by the way, do u think that my Gurudevs need your money. The MTYV > > magazine has been published every month since 1981, and each issue > > contains at least 5-10 Lakshmi Sadhanas, Sadhanas to make one > > wealthy, to obtain money. A Guru who grants such Sadhanas to > > everyone, who has publicly turned paupers into millionaires, surely > > has Lakshmi dancing in His home. > > As an analogy, if Bill Gates asks u for 1000 bucks for giving a > > lecture, will he die of poverty if u cheat him and dont give him . > > > > What can u give him. Nothing, except accusations and criticisms. > > Think in your heart. How many perform Sadhanas regularly without > > fail. I am yet to come across anyone who faced failure after > > performing Sadhanas with pure heart, dedication, conviction and > full > > effort. > > Who wants your money. Nobody. Who wants your sewa. Nobody. > Everything > > was going properly, even 15 years ago, when you werent here. A Guru > > gives an opportunity to some select Sadhaks & disciples to do some > > sewa. The disciple swells with pride thinking that he is highly > > important & non-redundent; similar to Lord Hanuman who became ultra > > happy after lifting the Sanjeevani mountain (by chanting Ram naam). > > Lord Rama gave an opportunity to Lord Hanuman to do some sewa, and > > similarly, pujya Gurudev gives opportunity to some Sadhaks. > > > > And I have seen pujya Gurudev refusing to grant Dikshas to many > > people. I have seen refusals. Many persons have waited and stood in > > hot summer sun outside Delhi & Jodhpur Gurudham for weeks, only to > be > > refused again and again. The ex UP state chief minister > > "something" Tiwari was refused Diksha and thrown out of shivir in > mid- > > nineties.Only, very few people manage to get Diksha. > > > > I have only one suggestion to those who think that they can buy > > Diksha by paying money. DON'T. Your money isnt needed here. So, go > > home and spend it useless items like clothes (which will be torn & > > become rugs after some years), or cosmetics or anything else. > > > > I still feel that moderation was a better option, and maybe, we sud > > get the list moderated again. > > I have negligible knowledge regaarding Sadhanas, and I am > absolutely > > incapable to contribute anything worthwhile to this forum. There > aint > > any point in saying anything on Tantra unless one hasnt accumulated > > the power of Sadhanas. So, I had taken Sabbath from this forum. I > was > > shaken out of my "retirement" by such an attack on the pure name of > > my Gurudev. I met Birendraji wayback in 1997 in Delhi Gurudham, and > > he seemed like a good fellow. Then, we met again on the . > > Still, I will give him the benfit of doubt and assume that a. > someone > > else misused his account , or b. he has forgotten the guiding > > principles of Shraddha, Vishwas & Samarpan which we discussed near > > Gurudham in 1997. Still times change, and people forget. Like this > UK > > wala person! > > > > I condemn all this namecalling, and will always fight against > anyone > > who tries to smear the pure name of my pujya Trimurti Gurudevs. > > > > Please do not do loosetalk here. > > Goodbye. Wishing everyone all the best in all endeavours. > > Don't forget to perform Sadhana. > > Jai Gurudev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2002 Report Share Posted May 19, 2002 I guess my posting has caused some devotee a lot of pain and anguish. But to the best of my knowledge, my posting didnt' contain anything trashy or cheap/rubbish or condemning Gurudev. In honesty I mentioned about the money issue and not to condemn the pricing on the site for the sadhana materials. I don't know what caused the devotee so much of anguish to write such an harsh email to me or to whosoever it is addressed!?! I thought Spiritual people try to help a person trying to gain some knowledge through such devotees. I thought anger was a part of ego which is like a poison to spiritual aspirants. I am sorry for posting in this forum. eternalstrings <eternalstrings > wrote: thanks for the info.. i wanted to know if it is cheaper if money is sent from india in the indian currency because im a student and the amount asked is pretty much beyond my capacity. im really interested in getting diksha or learning more about it. i have contacted the gurudham about the mantra tantra vigyan magazine. i was looking if someone knows any good books about diksha and the concept behind it. ive seen a lot but am confused. so if someone could recommend it ill be very grateful.thanks a lot..still looking for answers for my previous post about the concept of guru.thanks a lot people uve been a great help..thanks rohit birendra anupamshil and all others who took the pains to answer my questionsmay god bless uashu, "souljas_1" <souljas_1> wrote:> Jai Gurudev! This was posted by desi_videshi way back about the> money > controversy. I hope this helps! Also, can anyone verify my question > about sending a photo through internet or printing it out and sending > via mail. > > > > > --- In , "desi_videshi" <desi_videshi> wrote:> > Jai Gurudev,> > So, it has happened again. Another insult. More trash. Probably we > > were better off when it was being moderated. At least we didn't> have > > to read such rubbish.I join Ashishji in wholescale condemnation of > > this slur.> > I guess, that nobody is trustworthy. Times change, people change, > and > > their opinions change. > > People come to temples, Gurudev & God mostly in times of trouble. > And > > then, they want solution to these troubling problems, problems> which > > neither God nor pujya Gurudev created. > > Only the individual created himself by his own acts (either in this > > life or previous lives).For example, Gurudev never asked anyone to > > marry someone. People marry out of their own free will. And then > once > > marital problems arise, they run to God & Gurudev for solution.> > Anyway, there isnt nothing wrong in going to God or Gurudev in> times > > of problems. One remembers God only in need. The bad thing is that > > one forgets all this once one gets happy times again.> > One faces problems due to specific reasons. All lives (past,> current > > and future) are interconnected. If, for example, you are facing job > > problems today, then it might be because of your ill-treatment > > towards others in previous lives. However, it doesnt mean that one > > should die of poverty due to mistakes committed in past lives.> > Solutions exist for every problem. One can solve any type of> problem > > or realise any wish through Sadhanas. Tantra is a boon to us from > our > > forefathers.> > BUT, it aint easy to perform Sadhanas. Sadhanas require fortitude, > > hard work, sincerity, trust, faithfulness, commitment etc. of the > > highest order. A person cant become millionaire by chanting a> mantra > > 20 times for a week. This will , surely bring him nearer to the > path, > > and will erase some old karmas, but wont erase all.> > And, when a person is moneyless, faced with court cases or> diseases, > > then he, obviously isnt in the best frame of mind to perform > > Sadhanas. He might try, but his mind is apt to wonder around in > > absence of praanayam, tratak etc. Obviously when we have money,> then > > we dont want to remember God or Gurudev. And during dire straits,> we > > lack means to serve God or Gurudev. So, we want to have our cake> and > > eat it too!> > This is NOT possible. There isnt a thing like a free lunch. The > > accounts of sins and pious tasks have to balanced evenly. Someone > has > > to bear that sin. The sin has to be paid for.Sadhana is a highly > > effective method to erase this sin, provided ONE IS A SADHAK. > > And, then sometimes, out of piety and "karuna", pujya Gurudev > > sometimes offers to bear this sin by granting Diksha. Does the > > disciple realise that pujya Gurudev took his stomach cancer while > > granting Diksha! Does the disciple realise the various diseases and > > problems that Gurudev took upon Himself in this process.> > NO, he didnt. Being a highly wise man, he "saw through" the game!> He > > considers it to be a commercial transaction. He paid some money,> and > > pujya Gurudev placed His thumb on his forehead. Like the seven> blind > > men touching various parts of a elephant, he just witnessed a part > of > > the outward portion of it, and considered it to be all.> > > > In this materialistic world, any commercial minded person will> never > > realise the significance of Diksha or Guru Sewa. He will never know > > or realise the spiritual elevation which that Diksha took him to. > > Most probably, this over-smart individual will remove the benfits> of > > this Diksha by indulging in vice, drink or impure food; instead of > > performing Sadhanas to increase his positive spiritual energy and > > level. And, then, after a month, or a year, after his problems get > > solved, after his purpose gets fulfilled; he will start putting > > all these rough charges & accusations and start loose talk.> > > > I don't know why Pujya Gurudev grants Diksha to all such people. > > Maybe, out of kindness and piety; may be this is His Bholanath> roop. > > MAybe, this is what drinking poison means.> > > > I have been lucky enough to see pujya Gurudev closely after grant > of > > Diksha, and I have witnessed pujya Trimurti Gurudevs and> Gurupariwar > > taking disciple's problems on Their own head, and bearing sins of > the > > disciples. And they keep quite, on the contrary, they dont let > anyone > > even notice the pain of granting the Diksha.> > What have you got to give to Gurudev for Diksha. Think in your own > > heart. Can you leave everything and work selflessly for Him and His > > cause. Can you give any knowledge to Him in return. He doesnt need > > these pitiful pennies from you for granting Diksha. The money is > > charged to make u realise the importance and significance of this > > Diksha. And all this money goes to charitable causes. A Guru cannot > > use a single paisa of the Diksha or anyother nyochaawar money on > > Himself. He will lose all the Sadhana power if He does so. This > money > > is sacred money, and has to be put towards good causes.> > > > by the way, do u think that my Gurudevs need your money. The MTYV > > magazine has been published every month since 1981, and each issue > > contains at least 5-10 Lakshmi Sadhanas, Sadhanas to make one > > wealthy, to obtain money. A Guru who grants such Sadhanas to > > everyone, who has publicly turned paupers into millionaires, surely > > has Lakshmi dancing in His home. > > As an analogy, if Bill Gates asks u for 1000 bucks for giving a > > lecture, will he die of poverty if u cheat him and dont give him .> > > > What can u give him. Nothing, except accusations and criticisms. > > Think in your heart. How many perform Sadhanas regularly without > > fail. I am yet to come across anyone who faced failure after > > performing Sadhanas with pure heart, dedication, conviction and> full > > effort. > > Who wants your money. Nobody. Who wants your sewa. Nobody. > Everything > > was going properly, even 15 years ago, when you werent here. A Guru > > gives an opportunity to some select Sadhaks & disciples to do some > > sewa. The disciple swells with pride thinking that he is highly > > important & non-redundent; similar to Lord Hanuman who became ultra > > happy after lifting the Sanjeevani mountain (by chanting Ram naam). > > Lord Rama gave an opportunity to Lord Hanuman to do some sewa, and > > similarly, pujya Gurudev gives opportunity to some Sadhaks.> > > > And I have seen pujya Gurudev refusing to grant Dikshas to many > > people. I have seen refusals. Many persons have waited and stood in > > hot summer sun outside Delhi & Jodhpur Gurudham for weeks, only to > be > > refused again and again. The ex UP state chief minister > > "something" Tiwari was refused Diksha and thrown out of shivir in > mid-> > nineties.Only, very few people manage to get Diksha. > > > > I have only one suggestion to those who think that they can buy > > Diksha by paying money. DON'T. Your money isnt needed here. So, go > > home and spend it useless items like clothes (which will be torn & > > become rugs after some years), or cosmetics or anything else.> > > > I still feel that moderation was a better option, and maybe, we sud > > get the list moderated again.> > I have negligible knowledge regaarding Sadhanas, and I am> absolutely > > incapable to contribute anything worthwhile to this forum. There > aint > > any point in saying anything on Tantra unless one hasnt accumulated > > the power of Sadhanas. So, I had taken Sabbath from this forum. I > was > > shaken out of my "retirement" by such an attack on the pure name of > > my Gurudev. I met Birendraji wayback in 1997 in Delhi Gurudham, and > > he seemed like a good fellow. Then, we met again on the . > > Still, I will give him the benfit of doubt and assume that a. > someone > > else misused his account , or b. he has forgotten the guiding > > principles of Shraddha, Vishwas & Samarpan which we discussed near > > Gurudham in 1997. Still times change, and people forget. Like this > UK > > wala person! > > > > I condemn all this namecalling, and will always fight against> anyone > > who tries to smear the pure name of my pujya Trimurti Gurudevs. > > > > Please do not do loosetalk here. > > Goodbye. Wishing everyone all the best in all endeavours. > > Don't forget to perform Sadhana. > > Jai GurudevJay GurudevYour use of is subject to the LAUNCH - Your Music Experience Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2002 Report Share Posted May 19, 2002 "Goel, Anurag (CORP, GEITC)" <anurag.goel (AT) geind (DOT) ge.com> wrote: i think u have got it wrong. Disciples seems to have reacted towards "eternal strings" and "romeojuliet" 's email Kanchan Sankar [kanchan_sankar ]Sunday, May 19, 2002 6:17 PMTo: Subject: Re: Re: Hello Everybody Hello Everybody, I guess my posting has caused some devotee a lot of pain and anguish. But to the best of my knowledge, my posting didnt' contain anything trashy or cheap/rubbish or condemning Gurudev. In honesty I mentioned about the money issue and not to condemn the pricing on the site for the sadhana materials. I don't know what caused the devotee so much of anguish to write such an harsh email to me or to whosoever it is addressed!?! I thought Spiritual people try to help a person trying to gain some knowledge through such devotees. I thought anger was a part of ego which is like a poison to spiritual aspirants. I am sorry for posting in this forum. eternalstrings <eternalstrings > wrote: thanks for the info.. i wanted to know if it is cheaper if money is sent from india in the indian currency because im a student and the amount asked is pretty much beyond my capacity. im really interested in getting diksha or learning more about it. i have contacted the gurudham about the mantra tantra vigyan magazine. i was looking if someone knows any good books about diksha and the concept behind it. ive seen a lot but am confused. so if someone could recommend it ill be very grateful.thanks a lot..still looking for answers for my previous post about the concept of guru.thanks a lot people uve been a great help..thanks rohit birendra anupamshil and all others who took the pains to answer my questionsmay god bless uashu, "souljas_1" <souljas_1> wrote:> Jai Gurudev! This was posted! ! by desi_videshi way back about the> money > controversy. I hope this helps! Also, can anyone verify my question > about sending a photo through internet or printing it out and sending > via mail. > > > > > , "desi_videshi" <desi_videshi> wrote:> > Jai Gurudev,> > So, it has happened again. Another insult. More trash. Probably we > > were better off when it was being moderated. At least we didn't> have > > to read such rubbish.I join Ashishji in wholescale condemnation of > > this slur.> > I guess, that nobody is trustworthy. Times change, people change, > and > > their opinions change. > > People come to temples, Gurudev & God mostly in times of trouble. > And > > then, they want solution to these troubling problems, problems> which > > neith! ! er God nor pujya Gurudev created. > > Only the individual created himself by his own acts (either in this > > life or previous lives).For example, Gurudev never asked anyone to > > marry someone. People marry out of their own free will. And then > once > > marital problems arise, they run to God & Gurudev for solution.> > Anyway, there isnt nothing wrong in going to God or Gurudev in> times > > of problems. One remembers God only in need. The bad thing is that > > one forgets all this once one gets happy times again.> > One faces problems due to specific reasons. All lives (past,> current > > and future) are interconnected. If, for example, you are facing job > > problems today, then it might be because of your ill-treatment > > towards others in previous lives. However, it doesnt mean that one > > should die of poverty due to mis! ! takes committed in past lives.> > Solutions exist for every problem. One can solve any type of> problem > > or realise any wish through Sadhanas. Tantra is a boon to us from > our > > forefathers.> > BUT, it aint easy to perform Sadhanas. Sadhanas require fortitude, > > hard work, sincerity, trust, faithfulness, commitment etc. of the > > highest order. A person cant become millionaire by chanting a> mantra > > 20 times for a week. This will , surely bring him nearer to the > path, > > and will erase some old karmas, but wont erase all.> > And, when a person is moneyless, faced with court cases or> diseases, > > then he, obviously isnt in the best frame of mind to perform > > Sadhanas. He might try, but his mind is apt to wonder around in > > absence of praanayam, tratak etc. Obviously when we have money,> then &g! ! t; > we dont want to remember God or Gurudev. And during dire straits,> we > > lack means to serve God or Gurudev. So, we want to have our cake> and > > eat it too!> > This is NOT possible. There isnt a thing like a free lunch. The > > accounts of sins and pious tasks have to balanced evenly. Someone > has > > to bear that sin. The sin has to be paid for.Sadhana is a highly > > effective method to erase this sin, provided ONE IS A SADHAK. > > And, then sometimes, out of piety and "karuna", pujya Gurudev > > sometimes offers to bear this sin by granting Diksha. Does the > > disciple realise that pujya Gurudev took his stomach cancer while > > granting Diksha! Does the disciple realise the various diseases and > > problems that Gurudev took upon Himself in this process.> > NO, he didnt. Being a highly wise man, he "saw through" the game!! ! > He > > considers it to be a commercial transaction. He paid some money,> and > > pujya Gurudev placed His thumb on his forehead. Like the seven> blind > > men touching various parts of a elephant, he just witnessed a part > of > > the outward portion of it, and considered it to be all.> > > > In this materialistic world, any commercial minded person will> never > > realise the significance of Diksha or Guru Sewa. He will never know > > or realise the spiritual elevation which that Diksha took him to. > > Most probably, this over-smart individual will remove the benfits> of > > this Diksha by indulging in vice, drink or impure food; instead of > > performing Sadhanas to increase his positive spiritual energy and > > level. And, then, after a month, or a year, after his problems get > > solved, after his pur! ! pose gets fulfilled; he will start putting > > all these rough charges & accusations and start loose talk.> > > > I don't know why Pujya Gurudev grants Diksha to all such people. > > Maybe, out of kindness and piety; may be this is His Bholanath> roop. > > MAybe, this is what drinking poison means.> > > > I have been lucky enough to see pujya Gurudev closely after grant > of > > Diksha, and I have witnessed pujya Trimurti Gurudevs and> Gurupariwar > > taking disciple's problems on Their own head, and bearing sins of > the > > disciples. And they keep quite, on the contrary, they dont let > anyone > > even notice the pain of granting the Diksha.> > What have you got to give to Gurudev for Diksha. Think in your own > > heart. Can you leave everything and work selflessly for Him and His > > cause. ! ! Can you give any knowledge to Him in return. He doesnt need > > these pitiful pennies from you for granting Diksha. The money is > > charged to make u realise the importance and significance of this > > Diksha. And all this money goes to charitable causes. A Guru cannot > > use a single paisa of the Diksha or anyother nyochaawar money on > > Himself. He will lose all the Sadhana power if He does so. This > money > > is sacred money, and has to be put towards good causes.> > > > by the way, do u think that my Gurudevs need your money. The MTYV > > magazine has been published every month since 1981, and each issue > > contains at least 5-10 Lakshmi Sadhanas, Sadhanas to make one > > wealthy, to obtain money. A Guru who grants such Sadhanas to > > everyone, who has publicly turned paupers into millionaires, surely > > has Lakshmi dan! ! cing in His home. > > As an analogy, if Bill Gates asks u for 1000 bucks for giving a > > lecture, will he die of poverty if u cheat him and dont give him .> > > > What can u give him. Nothing, except accusations and criticisms. > > Think in your heart. How many perform Sadhanas regularly without > > fail. I am yet to come across anyone who faced failure after > > performing Sadhanas with pure heart, dedication, conviction and> full > > effort. > > Who wants your money. Nobody. Who wants your sewa. Nobody. > Everything > > was going properly, even 15 years ago, when you werent here. A Guru > > gives an opportunity to some select Sadhaks & disciples to do some > > sewa. The disciple swells with pride thinking that he is highly > > important & non-redundent; similar to Lord Hanuman who became ultra > > hap! ! py after lifting the Sanjeevani mountain (by chanting Ram naam). > > Lord Rama gave an opportunity to Lord Hanuman to do some sewa, and > > similarly, pujya Gurudev gives opportunity to some Sadhaks.> > > > And I have seen pujya Gurudev refusing to grant Dikshas to many > > people. I have seen refusals. Many persons have waited and stood in > > hot summer sun outside Delhi & Jodhpur Gurudham for weeks, only to > be > > refused again and again. The ex UP state chief minister > > "something" Tiwari was refused Diksha and thrown out of shivir in > mid-> > nineties.Only, very few people manage to get Diksha. > > > > I have only one suggestion to those who think that they can buy > > Diksha by paying money. DON'T. Your money isnt needed here. So, go > > home and spend it useless items like clothes (which will be torn! ! & > > become rugs after some years), or cosmetics or anything else.> > > > I still feel that moderation was a better option, and maybe, we sud > > get the list moderated again.> > I have negligible knowledge regaarding Sadhanas, and I am> absolutely > > incapable to contribute anything worthwhile to this forum. There > aint > > any point in saying anything on Tantra unless one hasnt accumulated > > the power of Sadhanas. So, I had taken Sabbath from this forum. I > was > > shaken out of my "retirement" by such an attack on the pure name of > > my Gurudev. I met Birendraji wayback in 1997 in Delhi Gurudham, and > > he seemed like a good fellow. Then, we met again on the . > > Still, I will give him the benfit of doubt and assume that a. > someone > > else misused his account , or b. he has forgotte! ! n the guiding > > principles of Shraddha, Vishwas & Samarpan which we discussed near > > Gurudham in 1997. Still times change, and people forget. Like this > UK > > wala person! > > > > I condemn all this namecalling, and will always fight against> anyone > > who tries to smear the pure name of my pujya Trimurti Gurudevs. > > > > Please do not do loosetalk here. > > Goodbye. Wishing everyone all the best in all endeavours. > > Don't forget to perform Sadhana. > > Jai GurudevJay Gurudev Terms of Service. LAUNCH - Your Music Experience Jay GurudevYour use of is subject to the Jay GurudevYour use of is subject to the "THIS E-MAIL MESSAGE ALONG WITH ANY ATTACHMENTS IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE ADDRESSEE and may contain confidential and privileged information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this communication is strictly Prohibited. If you have received this message by error, please notify us immediately, return the original mail to the sender and delete the message from your system." 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Guest guest Posted May 19, 2002 Report Share Posted May 19, 2002 i think u have got it wrong. Disciples seems to have reacted towards "eternal strings" and "romeojuliet" 's email Kanchan Sankar [kanchan_sankar ]Sunday, May 19, 2002 6:17 PMTo: Subject: Re: Re: Hello Everybody Hello Everybody, I guess my posting has caused some devotee a lot of pain and anguish. But to the best of my knowledge, my posting didnt' contain anything trashy or cheap/rubbish or condemning Gurudev. In honesty I mentioned about the money issue and not to condemn the pricing on the site for the sadhana materials. I don't know what caused the devotee so much of anguish to write such an harsh email to me or to whosoever it is addressed!?! I thought Spiritual people try to help a person trying to gain some knowledge through such devotees. I thought anger was a part of ego which is like a poison to spiritual aspirants. I am sorry for posting in this forum. eternalstrings <eternalstrings > wrote: thanks for the info.. i wanted to know if it is cheaper if money is sent from india in the indian currency because im a student and the amount asked is pretty much beyond my capacity. im really interested in getting diksha or learning more about it. i have contacted the gurudham about the mantra tantra vigyan magazine. i was looking if someone knows any good books about diksha and the concept behind it. ive seen a lot but am confused. so if someone could recommend it ill be very grateful.thanks a lot..still looking for answers for my previous post about the concept of guru.thanks a lot people uve been a great help..thanks rohit birendra anupamshil and all others who took the pains to answer my questionsmay god bless uashu, "souljas_1" <souljas_1> wrote:> Jai Gurudev! This was posted! ! by desi_videshi way back about the> money > controversy. I hope this helps! Also, can anyone verify my question > about sending a photo through internet or printing it out and sending > via mail. > > > > > , "desi_videshi" <desi_videshi> wrote:> > Jai Gurudev,> > So, it has happened again. Another insult. More trash. Probably we > > were better off when it was being moderated. At least we didn't> have > > to read such rubbish.I join Ashishji in wholescale condemnation of > > this slur.> > I guess, that nobody is trustworthy. Times change, people change, > and > > their opinions change. > > People come to temples, Gurudev & God mostly in times of trouble. > And > > then, they want solution to these troubling problems, problems> which > > neith! ! er God nor pujya Gurudev created. > > Only the individual created himself by his own acts (either in this > > life or previous lives).For example, Gurudev never asked anyone to > > marry someone. People marry out of their own free will. And then > once > > marital problems arise, they run to God & Gurudev for solution.> > Anyway, there isnt nothing wrong in going to God or Gurudev in> times > > of problems. One remembers God only in need. The bad thing is that > > one forgets all this once one gets happy times again.> > One faces problems due to specific reasons. All lives (past,> current > > and future) are interconnected. If, for example, you are facing job > > problems today, then it might be because of your ill-treatment > > towards others in previous lives. However, it doesnt mean that one > > should die of poverty due to mis! ! takes committed in past lives.> > Solutions exist for every problem. One can solve any type of> problem > > or realise any wish through Sadhanas. Tantra is a boon to us from > our > > forefathers.> > BUT, it aint easy to perform Sadhanas. Sadhanas require fortitude, > > hard work, sincerity, trust, faithfulness, commitment etc. of the > > highest order. A person cant become millionaire by chanting a> mantra > > 20 times for a week. This will , surely bring him nearer to the > path, > > and will erase some old karmas, but wont erase all.> > And, when a person is moneyless, faced with court cases or> diseases, > > then he, obviously isnt in the best frame of mind to perform > > Sadhanas. He might try, but his mind is apt to wonder around in > > absence of praanayam, tratak etc. Obviously when we have money,> then &g! ! t; > we dont want to remember God or Gurudev. And during dire straits,> we > > lack means to serve God or Gurudev. So, we want to have our cake> and > > eat it too!> > This is NOT possible. There isnt a thing like a free lunch. The > > accounts of sins and pious tasks have to balanced evenly. Someone > has > > to bear that sin. The sin has to be paid for.Sadhana is a highly > > effective method to erase this sin, provided ONE IS A SADHAK. > > And, then sometimes, out of piety and "karuna", pujya Gurudev > > sometimes offers to bear this sin by granting Diksha. Does the > > disciple realise that pujya Gurudev took his stomach cancer while > > granting Diksha! Does the disciple realise the various diseases and > > problems that Gurudev took upon Himself in this process.> > NO, he didnt. Being a highly wise man, he "saw through" the game!! ! > He > > considers it to be a commercial transaction. He paid some money,> and > > pujya Gurudev placed His thumb on his forehead. Like the seven> blind > > men touching various parts of a elephant, he just witnessed a part > of > > the outward portion of it, and considered it to be all.> > > > In this materialistic world, any commercial minded person will> never > > realise the significance of Diksha or Guru Sewa. He will never know > > or realise the spiritual elevation which that Diksha took him to. > > Most probably, this over-smart individual will remove the benfits> of > > this Diksha by indulging in vice, drink or impure food; instead of > > performing Sadhanas to increase his positive spiritual energy and > > level. And, then, after a month, or a year, after his problems get > > solved, after his pur! ! pose gets fulfilled; he will start putting > > all these rough charges & accusations and start loose talk.> > > > I don't know why Pujya Gurudev grants Diksha to all such people. > > Maybe, out of kindness and piety; may be this is His Bholanath> roop. > > MAybe, this is what drinking poison means.> > > > I have been lucky enough to see pujya Gurudev closely after grant > of > > Diksha, and I have witnessed pujya Trimurti Gurudevs and> Gurupariwar > > taking disciple's problems on Their own head, and bearing sins of > the > > disciples. And they keep quite, on the contrary, they dont let > anyone > > even notice the pain of granting the Diksha.> > What have you got to give to Gurudev for Diksha. Think in your own > > heart. Can you leave everything and work selflessly for Him and His > > cause. ! ! Can you give any knowledge to Him in return. He doesnt need > > these pitiful pennies from you for granting Diksha. The money is > > charged to make u realise the importance and significance of this > > Diksha. And all this money goes to charitable causes. A Guru cannot > > use a single paisa of the Diksha or anyother nyochaawar money on > > Himself. He will lose all the Sadhana power if He does so. This > money > > is sacred money, and has to be put towards good causes.> > > > by the way, do u think that my Gurudevs need your money. The MTYV > > magazine has been published every month since 1981, and each issue > > contains at least 5-10 Lakshmi Sadhanas, Sadhanas to make one > > wealthy, to obtain money. A Guru who grants such Sadhanas to > > everyone, who has publicly turned paupers into millionaires, surely > > has Lakshmi dan! ! cing in His home. > > As an analogy, if Bill Gates asks u for 1000 bucks for giving a > > lecture, will he die of poverty if u cheat him and dont give him .> > > > What can u give him. Nothing, except accusations and criticisms. > > Think in your heart. How many perform Sadhanas regularly without > > fail. I am yet to come across anyone who faced failure after > > performing Sadhanas with pure heart, dedication, conviction and> full > > effort. > > Who wants your money. Nobody. Who wants your sewa. Nobody. > Everything > > was going properly, even 15 years ago, when you werent here. A Guru > > gives an opportunity to some select Sadhaks & disciples to do some > > sewa. The disciple swells with pride thinking that he is highly > > important & non-redundent; similar to Lord Hanuman who became ultra > > hap! ! py after lifting the Sanjeevani mountain (by chanting Ram naam). > > Lord Rama gave an opportunity to Lord Hanuman to do some sewa, and > > similarly, pujya Gurudev gives opportunity to some Sadhaks.> > > > And I have seen pujya Gurudev refusing to grant Dikshas to many > > people. I have seen refusals. Many persons have waited and stood in > > hot summer sun outside Delhi & Jodhpur Gurudham for weeks, only to > be > > refused again and again. The ex UP state chief minister > > "something" Tiwari was refused Diksha and thrown out of shivir in > mid-> > nineties.Only, very few people manage to get Diksha. > > > > I have only one suggestion to those who think that they can buy > > Diksha by paying money. DON'T. Your money isnt needed here. So, go > > home and spend it useless items like clothes (which will be torn! ! & > > become rugs after some years), or cosmetics or anything else.> > > > I still feel that moderation was a better option, and maybe, we sud > > get the list moderated again.> > I have negligible knowledge regaarding Sadhanas, and I am> absolutely > > incapable to contribute anything worthwhile to this forum. There > aint > > any point in saying anything on Tantra unless one hasnt accumulated > > the power of Sadhanas. So, I had taken Sabbath from this forum. I > was > > shaken out of my "retirement" by such an attack on the pure name of > > my Gurudev. I met Birendraji wayback in 1997 in Delhi Gurudham, and > > he seemed like a good fellow. Then, we met again on the . > > Still, I will give him the benfit of doubt and assume that a. > someone > > else misused his account , or b. he has forgotte! ! n the guiding > > principles of Shraddha, Vishwas & Samarpan which we discussed near > > Gurudham in 1997. Still times change, and people forget. Like this > UK > > wala person! > > > > I condemn all this namecalling, and will always fight against> anyone > > who tries to smear the pure name of my pujya Trimurti Gurudevs. > > > > Please do not do loosetalk here. > > Goodbye. Wishing everyone all the best in all endeavours. > > Don't forget to perform Sadhana. > > Jai GurudevJay Gurudev Terms of Service. LAUNCH - Your Music Experience Jay GurudevYour use of is subject to the "THIS E-MAIL MESSAGE ALONG WITH ANY ATTACHMENTS IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE ADDRESSEE and may contain confidential and privileged information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this communication is strictly Prohibited. If you have received this message by error, please notify us immediately, return the original mail to the sender and delete the message from your system." 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Guest guest Posted May 22, 2002 Report Share Posted May 22, 2002 Jai Gurudev! I've just came on this message board, and see that alot has happened since I last came. I just want to say I am extremely sorry for the damage I have left. Ashu, that post which you think is directed towards you ISN'T. That was, as someone already mentioned, posted a year ago, and I mentioned a brief summary before posting it. I would of never thought someone would interpret that as directed towards them because I thought my "brief summary" explained it. I'm very sorry to anyone who has been damaged by this mail. I don't know what to say but sorry. Gosh, I feel so bad for hurting someone indirectly. Please forgive me Ashu, and others who I have hurt in the process. Murugesh , "eternalstrings" <eternalstrings> wrote: > thanks for the info.. i wanted to know if it is cheaper if money is sent > from india in the indian currency because im a student and the amount > asked is pretty much beyond my capacity. im really interested in getting > diksha or learning more about it. i have contacted the gurudham about > the mantra tantra vigyan magazine. i was looking if someone knows any > good books about diksha and the concept behind it. ive seen a lot but > am confused. so if someone could recommend it ill be very grateful. > thanks a lot..still looking for answers for my previous post about the > concept of guru. > thanks a lot people uve been a great help..thanks rohit birendra > anupamshil and all others who took the pains to answer my questions > may god bless u > ashu > > , "souljas_1" <souljas_1> wrote: > > Jai Gurudev! This was posted by desi_videshi way back about the > > money > > controversy. I hope this helps! Also, can anyone verify my question > > about sending a photo through internet or printing it out and sending > > via mail. > > > > > > > > > > , "desi_videshi" <desi_videshi> wrote: > > > Jai Gurudev, > > > So, it has happened again. Another insult. More trash. Probably we > > > were better off when it was being moderated. At least we didn't > > have > > > to read such rubbish.I join Ashishji in wholescale condemnation of > > > this slur. > > > I guess, that nobody is trustworthy. Times change, people change, > > and > > > their opinions change. > > > People come to temples, Gurudev & God mostly in times of trouble. > > And > > > then, they want solution to these troubling problems, problems > > which > > > neither God nor pujya Gurudev created. > > > Only the individual created himself by his own acts (either in this > > > life or previous lives).For example, Gurudev never asked anyone to > > > marry someone. People marry out of their own free will. And then > > once > > > marital problems arise, they run to God & Gurudev for solution. > > > Anyway, there isnt nothing wrong in going to God or Gurudev in > > times > > > of problems. One remembers God only in need. The bad thing is > that > > > one forgets all this once one gets happy times again. > > > One faces problems due to specific reasons. All lives (past, > > current > > > and future) are interconnected. If, for example, you are facing job > > > problems today, then it might be because of your ill-treatment > > > towards others in previous lives. However, it doesnt mean that one > > > should die of poverty due to mistakes committed in past lives. > > > Solutions exist for every problem. One can solve any type of > > problem > > > or realise any wish through Sadhanas. Tantra is a boon to us from > > our > > > forefathers. > > > BUT, it aint easy to perform Sadhanas. Sadhanas require fortitude, > > > hard work, sincerity, trust, faithfulness, commitment etc. of the > > > highest order. A person cant become millionaire by chanting a > > mantra > > > 20 times for a week. This will , surely bring him nearer to the > > path, > > > and will erase some old karmas, but wont erase all. > > > And, when a person is moneyless, faced with court cases or > > diseases, > > > then he, obviously isnt in the best frame of mind to perform > > > Sadhanas. He might try, but his mind is apt to wonder around in > > > absence of praanayam, tratak etc. Obviously when we have money, > > then > > > we dont want to remember God or Gurudev. And during dire straits, > > we > > > lack means to serve God or Gurudev. So, we want to have our cake > > and > > > eat it too! > > > This is NOT possible. There isnt a thing like a free lunch. The > > > accounts of sins and pious tasks have to balanced evenly. Someone > > has > > > to bear that sin. The sin has to be paid for.Sadhana is a highly > > > effective method to erase this sin, provided ONE IS A SADHAK. > > > And, then sometimes, out of piety and "karuna", pujya Gurudev > > > sometimes offers to bear this sin by granting Diksha. Does the > > > disciple realise that pujya Gurudev took his stomach cancer while > > > granting Diksha! Does the disciple realise the various diseases and > > > problems that Gurudev took upon Himself in this process. > > > NO, he didnt. Being a highly wise man, he "saw through" the game! > > He > > > considers it to be a commercial transaction. He paid some money, > > and > > > pujya Gurudev placed His thumb on his forehead. Like the seven > > blind > > > men touching various parts of a elephant, he just witnessed a part > > of > > > the outward portion of it, and considered it to be all. > > > > > > In this materialistic world, any commercial minded person will > > never > > > realise the significance of Diksha or Guru Sewa. He will never know > > > or realise the spiritual elevation which that Diksha took him to. > > > Most probably, this over-smart individual will remove the benfits > > of > > > this Diksha by indulging in vice, drink or impure food; instead of > > > performing Sadhanas to increase his positive spiritual energy and > > > level. And, then, after a month, or a year, after his problems get > > > solved, after his purpose gets fulfilled; he will start putting > > > all these rough charges & accusations and start loose talk. > > > > > > I don't know why Pujya Gurudev grants Diksha to all such people. > > > Maybe, out of kindness and piety; may be this is His Bholanath > > roop. > > > MAybe, this is what drinking poison means. > > > > > > I have been lucky enough to see pujya Gurudev closely after grant > > of > > > Diksha, and I have witnessed pujya Trimurti Gurudevs and > > Gurupariwar > > > taking disciple's problems on Their own head, and bearing sins of > > the > > > disciples. And they keep quite, on the contrary, they dont let > > anyone > > > even notice the pain of granting the Diksha. > > > What have you got to give to Gurudev for Diksha. Think in your own > > > heart. Can you leave everything and work selflessly for Him and His > > > cause. Can you give any knowledge to Him in return. He doesnt > need > > > these pitiful pennies from you for granting Diksha. The money is > > > charged to make u realise the importance and significance of this > > > Diksha. And all this money goes to charitable causes. A Guru cannot > > > use a single paisa of the Diksha or anyother nyochaawar money on > > > Himself. He will lose all the Sadhana power if He does so. This > > money > > > is sacred money, and has to be put towards good causes. > > > > > > by the way, do u think that my Gurudevs need your money. The > MTYV > > > magazine has been published every month since 1981, and each > issue > > > contains at least 5-10 Lakshmi Sadhanas, Sadhanas to make one > > > wealthy, to obtain money. A Guru who grants such Sadhanas to > > > everyone, who has publicly turned paupers into millionaires, surely > > > has Lakshmi dancing in His home. > > > As an analogy, if Bill Gates asks u for 1000 bucks for giving a > > > lecture, will he die of poverty if u cheat him and dont give him . > > > > > > What can u give him. Nothing, except accusations and criticisms. > > > Think in your heart. How many perform Sadhanas regularly without > > > fail. I am yet to come across anyone who faced failure after > > > performing Sadhanas with pure heart, dedication, conviction and > > full > > > effort. > > > Who wants your money. Nobody. Who wants your sewa. Nobody. > > Everything > > > was going properly, even 15 years ago, when you werent here. A > Guru > > > gives an opportunity to some select Sadhaks & disciples to do some > > > sewa. The disciple swells with pride thinking that he is highly > > > important & non-redundent; similar to Lord Hanuman who became > ultra > > > happy after lifting the Sanjeevani mountain (by chanting Ram > naam). > > > Lord Rama gave an opportunity to Lord Hanuman to do some sewa, > and > > > similarly, pujya Gurudev gives opportunity to some Sadhaks. > > > > > > And I have seen pujya Gurudev refusing to grant Dikshas to many > > > people. I have seen refusals. Many persons have waited and stood > in > > > hot summer sun outside Delhi & Jodhpur Gurudham for weeks, only > to > > be > > > refused again and again. The ex UP state chief minister > > > "something" Tiwari was refused Diksha and thrown out of shivir in > > mid- > > > nineties.Only, very few people manage to get Diksha. > > > > > > I have only one suggestion to those who think that they can buy > > > Diksha by paying money. DON'T. Your money isnt needed here. So, > go > > > home and spend it useless items like clothes (which will be torn & > > > become rugs after some years), or cosmetics or anything else. > > > > > > I still feel that moderation was a better option, and maybe, we sud > > > get the list moderated again. > > > I have negligible knowledge regaarding Sadhanas, and I am > > absolutely > > > incapable to contribute anything worthwhile to this forum. There > > aint > > > any point in saying anything on Tantra unless one hasnt > accumulated > > > the power of Sadhanas. So, I had taken Sabbath from this forum. I > > was > > > shaken out of my "retirement" by such an attack on the pure name > of > > > my Gurudev. I met Birendraji wayback in 1997 in Delhi Gurudham, > and > > > he seemed like a good fellow. Then, we met again on the . > > > Still, I will give him the benfit of doubt and assume that a. > > someone > > > else misused his account , or b. he has forgotten the guiding > > > principles of Shraddha, Vishwas & Samarpan which we discussed > near > > > Gurudham in 1997. Still times change, and people forget. Like this > > UK > > > wala person! > > > > > > I condemn all this namecalling, and will always fight against > > anyone > > > who tries to smear the pure name of my pujya Trimurti Gurudevs. > > > > > > Please do not do loosetalk here. > > > Goodbye. Wishing everyone all the best in all endeavours. > > > Don't forget to perform Sadhana. > > > Jai Gurudev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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