Bagalamukhi-Dhoomavati combo and my adventure

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JAI GURUDEV

 

Mantra: Hleem Dhoom Hleem

 

The Bagalamukhi - Dhoomavati combo is an extremely powerful mantra.

It's quick and destroys all you adversaries in a blink of an eye. Be

it powerty, misfortune, ailment, curse or permanant failure; nothing

can withstand the sheer force of this mantra. For those who are not

aware, Bagalamukhi and Dhoomavati are the most fierce and feared of

the ten Mahavidyas (Of course, Chhinnamasta Mahavidya is also there).

 

I learnt this combo during the Bhopal shivir in November '97.

Although, it is not allowed, I would like to share an experience

related to this mantra. On the first day of Nov '97 Bhopal shivir,

something prompted me to fast. This was difficult for me as I was not

feeling well that day. I had gone there to meet Bade Guruji, Dr.

Narayan Dutt Shrimali; but, due to some reason, Kailash Guruji (Bade

Guruji's second son) came in his place. Maybe, I was not happy with

this. My condition kept worsening and till evening, fever got over me.

 

The shivir was in a ground divided into a big tent, where guruji and

sadhaks were sitting, and some sheds along with the boundaries of the

ground where sadhaks were supposed to sleep in the night. I preferred

to stay in a hotel.

 

It was a two day shivir and that day's session was to end at 10 PM;

but, because of my fever, I decided to leave at 7 PM. As I was

packing my things, Kailash Guruji anounced that he would grant

Bagalamukhi Mahavidya Diksha for a very low fee. I wanted to take

that diksha so I decided to stay. Perhaps, I was skeptic about the

money thing. Well, though I could barely walk, I reached the payment

counter. I wanted to hurry up, but no one was there. I stayed there

for a while and then, while thinking this wasn't my day, as I turned

to return, I heard a strange, heavy voice, "What do you want?". It

was a very fat, black and somewhat weird guy. "Bagalamukhi Diksha", I

replied. "Hummm...", he grunted and while chewing his tobacco, wrote

something on a piece of paper and handed it over to me. The

word "Bagalamukhi" was written on it along with a small signature.

When I gave him the money, he said, "Keep it, you'll need it." and

walked away. "Bagalamukhi Diksha for free???", I was

surprised, "That's cool." Well, not really. My temperature was still

rising. I re-entered the main tent, walked straight to Shrivastavji

and gave him the paper to ask him how to proceed. Guruji was not

there. He starred the paper for while and looked at me in a surprised

manner. "What?", I thought, "Has the guy made a fool of me?" Anyway,

Shrivastavji gave me this mantra and asked me to chant it till Guruji

returns.

 

I returned to my place and started chanting the mantra. In about 10

minutes, the whole scene changed suddenly. I was in a crematory on

the banks of a river sitting over a chita surrounded by giant sized

trees. I got frightened and opened my eyes. "Hallucinations!!!"

Anyway, I started again and yes, the scene, too, returned. This time

lightening struck the chita and it started burning wildly. "Help", as

I was about to stop again, something inside me ordered me to

continue. With every mantra, the flames grew taller and bigger; the

temparature was beyond reason and I felt like roasted meat. No matter

how this may sound, I was enjoying it. There was heat and there was

pleasure. Being cooked alive wasn't that bad, after all.

 

After a while, the scene flipped back to normal, Guruji had returned,

the queue moved on and now, it was my turn. I handed over the paper

to Shastriji who was standing next to Guruji making him surprised and

stood face-to-face with Kailash Guruji. "Guruji, I'm taller.", I

thought. Kailash Guruji placed his left hand on my right shoulder,

fingers of his right hand on my head and pressed his right thumb

against my forehead and "Whooosh...", something like molten iron

entered my forehead. I was supposed to concentrate on his eyes. I

tried to do just that but, instead, found two fireballs there and no

prices for guessing that, we were back in the crematory standing over

the blazing chita. This time the heat was much, much higher and the

guy from the payment counter was also there violently throwing

something into the chita. "Who is this guy?" and the next moment I

saw him getting morphed into Bade Guruji. "Guruji!!! Oh, I missed you

so much." Bade Guruji appeared dark and redish and when I turned to

Kailash Guruji, who was still in the process of granting Diksha, I

was shocked to find him much taller, bigger, muscular, darker and

redder. Next, something emerged from his forehead and entered mine

with a huge blast and we were back to normal. I was amazed. Kailash

Guruji was tapping my head and asking me to leave as he was done. I

tried to touch his feet but couldn't as it was not allowed at that

time.

 

I came down the stage and realized that along with my doubts, my

fever was gone. I was feeling healthier, stronger, taller and very

hungry. I was feeling like the most powerful man in the universe. I

didn't want to return, but I did reliving those moments again and

again with wildly growing hunger. I entered a veg restaurent and ate

and ate and ate till the manager stopped me and said they can't serve

anymore. I had eaten 36 big butter nans, 7 big plates of fried rice

and a lot of dal makhani and vegetable along with 19 glasses of

lassi. Normally, I couldn't have eaten more than 4 nans. The bill was

exactly the same amount which I was supposed to pay for the

Bagalamukhi Diksha. Remember, I was told I would need that money. I

returned to my hotel room and my luckiest day ended with a sound

sleep.

 

The next day, I was the most energetic and helping person in the

shivir. That's why my blood boils when some damn person insults my

Guruji and I couldn't even have the luxury of tearing that person

into billions of pieces.

 

Bhakti is good, but nothing compared to the grandness of sadhana.

Perform sadhana and get what you are destined to have. Good luck...

 

Ashish...

[Guest guest]

>

> I learnt this combo during the Bhopal shivir in

> November '97.

> Although, it is not allowed, I would like to share

> an experience

> related to this mantra. On the first day of Nov '97

> Bhopal shivir,

> something prompted me to fast. This was difficult

> for me as I was not

> feeling well that day. I had gone there to meet Bade

> Guruji, Dr.

> Narayan Dutt Shrimali; but, due to some reason,

> Kailash Guruji (Bade

> Guruji's second son) came in his place. Maybe, I was

> not happy with

> this. My condition kept worsening and till evening,

> fever got over me.

 

This was an amazing experience, Ashish. You are so

lucky to have experienced such bliss. Learning about

such experiences definitely helps me strengthen my

faith and devotion. I appreciate all your efforts.

 

Jai Gurudev.

 

 

 

 

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> You are so lucky to have experienced such bliss.

 

Yes, I am lucky not because I had this experience, but because I am a

disciple of the most powerful Guru of all times. This way, we all are

very, very lucky. A good Guru is always there to listen to us, but to

listen to him and understand his instructions, we must perform

sadhana. Only then our luck would be of any use to us.

 

Either small or big, we all should perform sadhanas. More on it

later...

 

Ashish...

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> A good Guru is always there to

> listen to us, but to

> listen to him and understand his instructions, we

> must perform

> sadhana. Only then our luck would be of any use to

> us.

>

> Either small or big, we all should perform sadhanas.

> More on it

> later...

 

I do try my best. I just hope that someday I also have

a divine experience.

 

 

 

 

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nikhilashish <nikhilashish > wrote: JAI GURUDEVMantra: Hleem Dhoom

HleemThe Bagalamukhi - Dhoomavati combo is an extremely powerful mantra. It's

quick and destroys all you adversaries in a blink of an eye. Be it powerty,

misfortune, ailment, curse or permanant failure; nothing can withstand the

sheer force of this mantra. For those who are not aware, Bagalamukhi and

Dhoomavati are the most fierce and feared of the ten Mahavidyas (Of course,

Chhinnamasta Mahavidya is also there).I learnt this combo during the Bhopal

shivir in November '97. Although, it is not allowed, I would like to share an

experience related to this mantra. On the first day of Nov '97 Bhopal shivir,

something prompted me to fast. This was difficult for me as I was not feeling

well that day. I had gone there to meet Bade Guruji, Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali;

but, due to some reason, Kailash Guruji (Bade Guruji's second son) came in his

place. Maybe, I was not happy with this. My condition kept worsening and till

evening, fever got over me.The shivir was in a ground divided into a big tent,

where guruji and sadhaks were sitting, and some sheds along with the boundaries

of the ground where sadhaks were supposed to sleep in the night. I preferred to

stay in a hotel.It was a two day shivir and that day's session was to end at 10

PM; but, because of my fever, I decided to leave at 7 PM. As I was packing my

things, Kailash Guruji anounced that he would grant Bagalamukhi Mahavidya

Diksha for a very low fee. I wanted to take that diksha so I decided to stay.

Perhaps, I was skeptic about the money thing. Well, though I could barely walk,

I reached the payment counter. I wanted to hurry up, but no one was there. I

stayed there for a while and then, while thinking this wasn't my day, as I

turned to return, I heard a strange, heavy voice, "What do you want?". It was a

very fat, black and somewhat weird guy. "Bagalamukhi Diksha", I replied.

"Hummm...", he grunted and while chewing his tobacco, wrote something on a

piece of paper and handed it over to me. The word "Bagalamukhi" was written on

it along with a small signature. When I gave him the money, he said, "Keep it,

you'll need it." and walked away. "Bagalamukhi Diksha for free???", I was

surprised, "That's cool." Well, not really. My temperature was still rising. I

re-entered the main tent, walked straight to Shrivastavji and gave him the

paper to ask him how to proceed. Guruji was not there. He starred the paper for

while and looked at me in a surprised manner. "What?", I thought, "Has the guy

made a fool of me?" Anyway, Shrivastavji gave me this mantra and asked me to

chant it till Guruji returns.I returned to my place and started chanting the

mantra. In about 10 minutes, the whole scene changed suddenly. I was in a

crematory on the banks of a river sitting over a chita surrounded by giant

sized trees. I got frightened and opened my eyes. "Hallucinations!!!" Anyway, I

started again and yes, the scene, too, returned. This time lightening struck the

chita and it started burning wildly. "Help", as I was about to stop again,

something inside me ordered me to continue. With every mantra, the flames grew

taller and bigger; the temparature was beyond reason and I felt like roasted

meat. No matter how this may sound, I was enjoying it. There was heat and there

was pleasure. Being cooked alive wasn't that bad, after all.After a while, the

scene flipped back to normal, Guruji had returned, the queue moved on and now,

it was my turn. I handed over the paper to Shastriji who was standing next to

Guruji making him surprised and stood face-to-face with Kailash Guruji.

"Guruji, I'm taller.", I thought. Kailash Guruji placed his left hand on my

right shoulder, fingers of his right hand on my head and pressed his right

thumb against my forehead and "Whooosh...", something like molten iron entered

my forehead. I was supposed to concentrate on his eyes. I tried to do just that

but, instead, found two fireballs there and no prices for guessing that, we were

back in the crematory standing over the blazing chita. This time the heat was

much, much higher and the guy from the payment counter was also there violently

throwing something into the chita. "Who is this guy?" and the next moment I saw

him getting morphed into Bade Guruji. "Guruji!!! Oh, I missed you so much."

Bade Guruji appeared dark and redish and when I turned to Kailash Guruji, who

was still in the process of granting Diksha, I was shocked to find him much

taller, bigger, muscular, darker and redder. Next, something emerged from his

forehead and entered mine with a huge blast and we were back to normal. I was

amazed. Kailash Guruji was tapping my head and asking me to leave as he was

done. I tried to touch his feet but couldn't as it was not allowed at that

time.I came down the stage and realized that along with my doubts, my fever was

gone. I was feeling healthier, stronger, taller and very hungry. I was feeling

like the most powerful man in the universe. I didn't want to return, but I did

reliving those moments again and again with wildly growing hunger. I entered a

veg restaurent and ate and ate and ate till the manager stopped me and said

they can't serve anymore. I had eaten 36 big butter nans, 7 big plates of fried

rice and a lot of dal makhani and vegetable along with 19 glasses of lassi.

Normally, I couldn't have eaten more than 4 nans. The bill was exactly the same

amount which I was supposed to pay for the Bagalamukhi Diksha. Remember, I was

told I would need that money. I returned to my hotel room and my luckiest day

ended with a sound sleep.The next day, I was the most energetic and helping

person in the shivir. That's why my blood boils when some damn person insults

my Guruji and I couldn't even have the luxury of tearing that person into

billions of pieces.Bhakti is good, but nothing compared to the grandness of

sadhana. Perform sadhana and get what you are destined to have. Good

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Jai Gurudev ,

 

 

Ashsish i envy ur experience, i perosonally feel that you were very

lucky to be the witness of the Bade Gurudevs Lila(play).

> It was a two day shivir and that day's session was to end at 10 PM;

> but, because of my fever, I decided to leave at 7 PM. As I was

> packing my things, Kailash Guruji anounced that he would grant

> Bagalamukhi Mahavidya Diksha for a very low fee. I wanted to take

> that diksha so I decided to stay. Perhaps, I was skeptic about the

> money thing. Well, though I could barely walk, I reached the

payment

> counter. I wanted to hurry up, but no one was there. I stayed there

> for a while and then, while thinking this wasn't my day, as I

turned

> to return, I heard a strange, heavy voice, "What do you want?". It

> was a very fat, black and somewhat weird guy. "Bagalamukhi Diksha",

I

> replied. "Hummm...", he grunted and while chewing his tobacco,

wrote

> something on a piece of paper and handed it over to me. The

> word "Bagalamukhi" was written on it along with a small signature.

 

 

 

This person must be bade Gurudev, he told that he was not coming ,

but he was there in the form chewing tobbacco , he was monitoring

your thoughts and he might have been pleased with you and granted the

diksha on his own.

 

> When I gave him the money, he said, "Keep it, you'll need it." and

> walked away. "Bagalamukhi Diksha for free???",

>I was

> surprised, "That's cool."

 

 

that was a very consdierate and caring Gurudev.

 

 

> Well, not really. My temperature was still

> rising. I re-entered the main tent, walked straight to Shrivastavji

> and gave him the paper to ask him how to proceed. Guruji was not

> there. He starred the paper for while and looked at me in a

surprised

> manner. "What?", I thought, "Has the guy made a fool of me?"

>Anyway,

> Shrivastavji gave me this mantra and asked me to chant it till

>Guruji

 

 

 

see ashish shrivastavji was surpirsed becos the handwriting might

have resembled to that of Bade Gurudev , as a matter of fact Bade

Gurudev was not there and he would have been surprised as to how he

could have signed on the chit(paper).

 

 

 

> returns.

>

> I returned to my place and started chanting the mantra. In about 10

> minutes, the whole scene changed suddenly. I was in a crematory on

> the banks of a river sitting over a chita surrounded by giant sized

> trees. I got frightened and opened my eyes. "Hallucinations!!!"

> Anyway, I started again and yes, the scene, too, returned. This

time

> lightening struck the chita and it started burning wildly. "Help",

as

> I was about to stop again, something inside me ordered me to

> continue. With every mantra, the flames grew taller and bigger; the

> temparature was beyond reason and I felt like roasted meat. No

matter

> how this may sound, I was enjoying it. There was heat and there was

> pleasure. Being cooked alive wasn't that bad, after all.

>

> After a while, the scene flipped back to normal, Guruji had

returned,

> the queue moved on and now, it was my turn. I handed over the paper

> to Shastriji who was standing next to Guruji making him surprised

and

> stood face-to-face with Kailash Guruji. "Guruji, I'm taller.", I

> thought. Kailash Guruji placed his left hand on my right shoulder,

> fingers of his right hand on my head and pressed his right thumb

> against my forehead and "Whooosh...", something like molten iron

> entered my forehead. I was supposed to concentrate on his eyes. I

> tried to do just that but, instead, found two fireballs there and

no

> prices for guessing that, we were back in the crematory standing

over

> the blazing chita. This time the heat was much, much higher and the

> guy from the payment counter was also there violently throwing

> something into the chita. "Who is this guy?" and the next moment I

> saw him getting morphed into Bade Guruji. "Guruji!!! Oh, I missed

you

> so much." Bade Guruji appeared dark and redish and when I turned to

> Kailash Guruji, who was still in the process of granting Diksha, I

> was shocked to find him much taller, bigger, muscular, darker and

> redder. Next, something emerged from his forehead and entered mine

> with a huge blast and we were back to normal. I was amazed. Kailash

> Guruji was tapping my head and asking me to leave as he was done. I

> tried to touch his feet but couldn't as it was not allowed at that

> time.

>

> I came down the stage and realized that along with my doubts, my

> fever was gone. I was feeling healthier, stronger, taller and very

> hungry. I was feeling like the most powerful man in the universe. I

> didn't want to return, but I did reliving those moments again and

> again with wildly growing hunger. I entered a veg restaurent and

ate

> and ate and ate till the manager stopped me and said they can't

serve

> anymore. I had eaten 36 big butter nans, 7 big plates of fried rice

> and a lot of dal makhani and vegetable along with 19 glasses of

> lassi. Normally, I couldn't have eaten more than 4 nans. The bill

was

> exactly the same amount which I was supposed to pay for the

> Bagalamukhi Diksha. Remember, I was told I would need that money. I

> returned to my hotel room and my luckiest day ended with a sound

> sleep.

>

 

 

 

 

i 100% believe in ur experience, am really envious abt you as to

having witnessed Gurudevs care for you. i too long for this kind of

experience, but i know i have to do lot of hard work to get there.

 

 

> The next day, I was the most energetic and helping person in the

> shivir. That's why my blood boils when some damn person insults my

> Guruji and I couldn't even have the luxury of tearing that person

> into billions of pieces.

>

 

very true.

 

> Bhakti is good, but nothing compared to the grandness of sadhana.

> Perform sadhana and get what you are destined to have.

 

 

ashish everything has its own value, for surdas/kabir they would have

not been interested in any sadhanas , so there is nothing wrong in

bhakti or sadhanas its ones personal choice.

 

in bhakti the psyche of the person should be more of submission and

not wanting anything except the lord , which is not an easy thing,

but for sadhanas you have your free will you want everything except

the lord at the start, there can be lakhs of sadhaks doing l000's of

sadhanas but you cant have lakhs of bhaktas. every thing has its own

value.

 

see sankarcharya he was a brahma jnani, at the same time he was well

adept in many sadhanas and the same time he had composed /written lot

of stotras(bhakti). so is Bade Gurdev.

 

 

what ever one enjoys one should do it be it sadhanas/or

meditation/....

 

 

jai Gurudev

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To My Dear Friend Ashish,

I appreciate the experience you have shared with us it really inspires the

spiritual aspirants like me & also increases the faith &

devotion.

I hope you & others will continue to enlighten our poor souls with knowledge &

practical experiences.

Thanks.

Rohit.

-

nikhilashish

Thursday, June 13, 2002 5:38 PM

Bagalamukhi-Dhoomavati combo and my adventure

JAI GURUDEVMantra: Hleem Dhoom HleemThe Bagalamukhi - Dhoomavati combo is an

extremely powerful mantra. It's quick and destroys all you adversaries in a

blink of an eye. Be it powerty, misfortune, ailment, curse or permanant

failure; nothing can withstand the sheer force of this mantra. For those who

are not aware, Bagalamukhi and Dhoomavati are the most fierce and feared of the

ten Mahavidyas (Of course, Chhinnamasta Mahavidya is also there).I learnt this

combo during the Bhopal shivir in November '97. Although, it is not allowed, I

would like to share an experience related to this mantra. On the first day of

Nov '97 Bhopal shivir, something prompted me to fast. This was difficult for me

as I was not feeling well that day. I had gone there to meet Bade Guruji, Dr.

Narayan Dutt Shrimali; but, due to some reason, Kailash Guruji (Bade Guruji's

second son) came in his place. Maybe, I was not happy with this. My condition

kept worsening and till evening, fever got over me.The shivir was in a ground

divided into a big tent, where guruji and sadhaks were sitting, and some sheds

along with the boundaries of the ground where sadhaks were supposed to sleep in

the night. I preferred to stay in a hotel.It was a two day shivir and that day's

session was to end at 10 PM; but, because of my fever, I decided to leave at 7

PM. As I was packing my things, Kailash Guruji anounced that he would grant

Bagalamukhi Mahavidya Diksha for a very low fee. I wanted to take that diksha

so I decided to stay. Perhaps, I was skeptic about the money thing. Well,

though I could barely walk, I reached the payment counter. I wanted to hurry

up, but no one was there. I stayed there for a while and then, while thinking

this wasn't my day, as I turned to return, I heard a strange, heavy voice,

"What do you want?". It was a very fat, black and somewhat weird guy.

"Bagalamukhi Diksha", I replied. "Hummm...", he grunted and while chewing his

tobacco, wrote something on a piece of paper and handed it over to me. The word

"Bagalamukhi" was written on it along with a small signature. When I gave him

the money, he said, "Keep it, you'll need it." and walked away. "Bagalamukhi

Diksha for free???", I was surprised, "That's cool." Well, not really. My

temperature was still rising. I re-entered the main tent, walked straight to

Shrivastavji and gave him the paper to ask him how to proceed. Guruji was not

there. He starred the paper for while and looked at me in a surprised manner.

"What?", I thought, "Has the guy made a fool of me?" Anyway, Shrivastavji gave

me this mantra and asked me to chant it till Guruji returns.I returned to my

place and started chanting the mantra. In about 10 minutes, the whole scene

changed suddenly. I was in a crematory on the banks of a river sitting over a

chita surrounded by giant sized trees. I got frightened and opened my eyes.

"Hallucinations!!!" Anyway, I started again and yes, the scene, too, returned.

This time lightening struck the chita and it started burning wildly. "Help", as

I was about to stop again, something inside me ordered me to continue. With

every mantra, the flames grew taller and bigger; the temparature was beyond

reason and I felt like roasted meat. No matter how this may sound, I was

enjoying it. There was heat and there was pleasure. Being cooked alive wasn't

that bad, after all.After a while, the scene flipped back to normal, Guruji had

returned, the queue moved on and now, it was my turn. I handed over the paper to

Shastriji who was standing next to Guruji making him surprised and stood

face-to-face with Kailash Guruji. "Guruji, I'm taller.", I thought. Kailash

Guruji placed his left hand on my right shoulder, fingers of his right hand on

my head and pressed his right thumb against my forehead and "Whooosh...",

something like molten iron entered my forehead. I was supposed to concentrate

on his eyes. I tried to do just that but, instead, found two fireballs there

and no prices for guessing that, we were back in the crematory standing over

the blazing chita. This time the heat was much, much higher and the guy from

the payment counter was also there violently throwing something into the chita.

"Who is this guy?" and the next moment I saw him getting morphed into Bade

Guruji. "Guruji!!! Oh, I missed you so much." Bade Guruji appeared dark and

redish and when I turned to Kailash Guruji, who was still in the process of

granting Diksha, I was shocked to find him much taller, bigger, muscular,

darker and redder. Next, something emerged from his forehead and entered mine

with a huge blast and we were back to normal. I was amazed. Kailash Guruji was

tapping my head and asking me to leave as he was done. I tried to touch his

feet but couldn't as it was not allowed at that time.I came down the stage and

realized that along with my doubts, my fever was gone. I was feeling healthier,

stronger, taller and very hungry. I was feeling like the most powerful man in

the universe. I didn't want to return, but I did reliving those moments again

and again with wildly growing hunger. I entered a veg restaurent and ate and

ate and ate till the manager stopped me and said they can't serve anymore. I

had eaten 36 big butter nans, 7 big plates of fried rice and a lot of dal

makhani and vegetable along with 19 glasses of lassi. Normally, I couldn't have

eaten more than 4 nans. The bill was exactly the same amount which I was

supposed to pay for the Bagalamukhi Diksha. Remember, I was told I would need

that money. I returned to my hotel room and my luckiest day ended with a sound

sleep.The next day, I was the most energetic and helping person in the shivir.

That's why my blood boils when some damn person insults my Guruji and I

couldn't even have the luxury of tearing that person into billions of

pieces.Bhakti is good, but nothing compared to the grandness of sadhana.

Perform sadhana and get what you are destined to have. Good

luck...Ashish...------------------------ Sponsor

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JAI GURUDEV

> This person must be bade Gurudev

 

Of course, he was.

> that was a very consdierate and caring Gurudev.

 

Yes.

> ashish everything has its own value, for surdas/kabir they

> would have not been interested in any sadhanas , so there is

> nothing wrong in bhakti or sadhanas its ones personal choice.

 

I must point out that I am not against Bhakti at all. Now, you are

forgetting a very important name here; that of Guru Nanakdev whose

disciples, Sikhs - The Worriors, later saved Hinduism from muslims

using their might, not singing bhajans. Once, I read somewhere Guruji

telling that these great people were great sadhaks. Still, why did

they teach bhakti? Guruji explained why. He told (I don't remember

when), at that time, muslim raiders had cripled this country and

converted a lot of hindus into muslims. Hinduism was on the verge of

extinction. People were incapable of performing sadhanas. Therefore,

in order to save people's faith, morale and religion, those great men

showed them the path of Bhakti as it was the only suitable thing for

that age which is also called 'Bhakti Kaal'.

 

But, we no longer live in the Bhakti Kaal. That time is gone. Bhakti

is no longer applicable as it is obsolete. This is a different age

which requires the powers of sadhanas once again as they hold the key

to the knowledge that once made India the Vishwa Guru (the global

teacher). This country needs sadhaks, not bhaktas, perticularly now.

If it hadn't been the case, why did our Guruji, Dr. Narayan Dutt

Shtimali, devoted his entire life to sadhanas, mantras, tantras and

other ancient indian sciences? Why did he re-invent long lost

sadhanas like Parkaaya Pravesh sadhana and Veer Vetaal sadhana

summoning Adi Shankaracharya's soul? Why did he give us fierce

Mahavidya Dikshas for free? Why did he start a magazine

called 'Mantra Tantra Yantra Vigyan' and not 'Bhakti Sagar'? Why did

he start 'International Siddhashram Sadhak Parivar' and

not 'International Bhakta Parivar'? There can be one and only one

answer to all these questions: HE WANTED US TO PERFORM SADHANAS. HE

WANTED US TO BE SADHAKS NOT BHAKTAS.

 

This group's name is ISSPLIST which means Internation Siddhashram

SADHAK Parivar LIST. It is about Sadhaks and Sadhanas. Bhakti has to

do nothing with this group. Go visit Guruji official website

www.siddhashram.org and you'll find out what the Greatest Guru of all

times, Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali aka Paramhansa Swami

Nikhileshwaranand, wanted his disciples to be.

> in bhakti the psyche of the person should be more of submission

> and not wanting anything except the lord ,which is not an easy

> thing, but for sadhanas you have your free will you want

> everything except the lord at the start

 

I totally disagree. Sadhana means 'training'; training the body, the

mind, the soul and becoming one with mother nature, Paramatma - the

one and only. Sadhana is about being capable enough to control the

powers of mother nature and getting everything from it. Sadhanas

require great deal of self-control and years of hard work. A sadhak

has to bear a lot of pain. It is not about free will, it is about

freeing will. Foresaking your desires and making the mind empty can't

be termed as mere selfishness.

 

On the other hand, today's bhaktas (which does not include those of

the Bhakti Kaal), who talk of love and submission, simply sit back

singing Bhajans and leave everything to god / guru. They say, "Oh my

lord! I submit myself to you. Now, you'll have to do EVERYTHING for

me while I'll relax and sing songs of your divinity. Oh lord, you are

so full of mercy, I know, you'll fulfill all my desires in no time."

And when they don't get all what they wanted, they simply declared

the god / guru fake, drunk, greedy and insult him. I am sure, Guruji

never wanted us to be of that kind.

 

Bhakti can only show us the path whereas sadhana not only shows the

path but, also teaches us how to cruise along it to reach our

destination.

> there can be lakhs of sadhaks doing l000's of sadhanas but

> you cant have lakhs of bhaktas.

 

Really??? How can you be so sure? Are you referring to real, serious

sadhaks who have a real guru?

> see sankarcharya had composed /written lot of stotras(bhakti).

> sadhanas/or meditation/....

 

Please, leave strotras and meditation alone. They have to do nothing

with bhakti. They are very scientific and just another form of

sadhana.

 

I hope, I made my point. Once again, I must clarify, I am NOT against

Bhakti or Bhaktas. I feel, sadhanas are more effective and are the

need of this time. They may not be as easy as bhakti, but they do

make us better persons and help us reach our goals faster, in a more

effecient manner.

 

So, do perform sadhana. Good luck...

 

Ashish...

[Guest guest]

JAI GURUDEV

Dear Rohit...

> I appreciate the experience you have shared with us it really

> inspires the spiritual aspirants like me & also increases the

> faith & devotion.

>

> I hope you & others will continue to enlighten our poor souls

> with knowledge & practical experiences.

 

This is an effort to tell the world that sadhanas work although

Guruji used to say that such experiences are negligible on the path

of Tantra and a good disciple should ignore them. All we need is an

able Guru. Certainly, we are lucky because Guruji has accepted us as

his disciples. This is an achievement of a lifetime.

 

May Guruji bless us all with completeness.

 

Ashish...

[Guest guest]

JAI GURUDEV

>

> > This person must be bade Gurudev

>

> Of course, he was.

>

> > that was a very consdierate and caring Gurudev.

>

> Yes.

>

> > ashish everything has its own value, for surdas/kabir they

> > would have not been interested in any sadhanas , so there is

> > nothing wrong in bhakti or sadhanas its ones personal choice.

>

> I must point out that I am not against Bhakti at all. Now, you are

> forgetting a very important name here; that of Guru Nanakdev whose

> disciples, Sikhs - The Worriors, later saved Hinduism from muslims

> using their might, not singing bhajans. Once, I read somewhere

Guruji

> telling that these great people were great sadhaks. Still, why did

> they teach bhakti? Guruji explained why. He told (I don't remember

> when), at that time, muslim raiders had cripled this country and

> converted a lot of hindus into muslims. Hinduism was on the verge

of

> extinction. People were incapable of performing sadhanas.

Therefore,

> in order to save people's faith, morale and religion, those great

men

> showed them the path of Bhakti as it was the only suitable thing

for

> that age which is also called 'Bhakti Kaal'.

>

> But, we no longer live in the Bhakti Kaal. That time is gone.

Bhakti

> is no longer applicable as it is obsolete. This is a different age

> which requires the powers of sadhanas once again as they hold the

key

> to the knowledge that once made India the Vishwa Guru (the global

> teacher). This country needs sadhaks, not bhaktas, perticularly

now.

> If it hadn't been the case, why did our Guruji, Dr. Narayan Dutt

> Shtimali, devoted his entire life to sadhanas, mantras, tantras and

> other ancient indian sciences? Why did he re-invent long lost

> sadhanas like Parkaaya Pravesh sadhana and Veer Vetaal sadhana

> summoning Adi Shankaracharya's soul? Why did he give us fierce

> Mahavidya Dikshas for free? Why did he start a magazine

> called 'Mantra Tantra Yantra Vigyan' and not 'Bhakti Sagar'? Why

did

> he start 'International Siddhashram Sadhak Parivar' and

> not 'International Bhakta Parivar'? There can be one and only one

> answer to all these questions: HE WANTED US TO PERFORM SADHANAS. HE

> WANTED US TO BE SADHAKS NOT BHAKTAS.

>

> This group's name is ISSPLIST which means Internation Siddhashram

> SADHAK Parivar LIST. It is about Sadhaks and Sadhanas. Bhakti has

to

> do nothing with this group. Go visit Guruji official website

> www.siddhashram.org and you'll find out what the Greatest Guru of

all

> times, Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali aka Paramhansa Swami

> Nikhileshwaranand, wanted his disciples to be.

>

> > in bhakti the psyche of the person should be more of submission

> > and not wanting anything except the lord ,which is not an easy

> > thing, but for sadhanas you have your free will you want

> > everything except the lord at the start

>

> I totally disagree. Sadhana means 'training'; training the body,

the

> mind, the soul and becoming one with mother nature, Paramatma - the

> one and only. Sadhana is about being capable enough to control the

> powers of mother nature and getting everything from it. Sadhanas

> require great deal of self-control and years of hard work. A sadhak

> has to bear a lot of pain. It is not about free will, it is about

> freeing will. Foresaking your desires and making the mind empty

can't

> be termed as mere selfishness.

>

> On the other hand, today's bhaktas (which does not include those of

> the Bhakti Kaal), who talk of love and submission, simply sit back

> singing Bhajans and leave everything to god / guru. They say, "Oh

my

> lord! I submit myself to you. Now, you'll have to do EVERYTHING for

> me while I'll relax and sing songs of your divinity. Oh lord, you

are

> so full of mercy, I know, you'll fulfill all my desires in no

time."

> And when they don't get all what they wanted, they simply declared

> the god / guru fake, drunk, greedy and insult him. I am sure,

Guruji

> never wanted us to be of that kind.

>

> Bhakti can only show us the path whereas sadhana not only shows the

> path but, also teaches us how to cruise along it to reach our

> destination.

>

> > there can be lakhs of sadhaks doing l000's of sadhanas but

> > you cant have lakhs of bhaktas.

>

> Really??? How can you be so sure? Are you referring to real,

serious

> sadhaks who have a real guru?

>

> > see sankarcharya had composed /written lot of stotras(bhakti).

> > sadhanas/or meditation/....

>

> Please, leave strotras and meditation alone. They have to do

nothing

> with bhakti. They are very scientific and just another form of

> sadhana.

>

> I hope, I made my point. Once again, I must clarify, I am NOT

against

> Bhakti or Bhaktas. I feel, sadhanas are more effective and are the

> need of this time. They may not be as easy as bhakti, but they do

> make us better persons and help us reach our goals faster, in a

more

> effecient manner.

 

 

Sadhana according to Gurudev is transforming ones

mind,body,personality to a goal in complete dedication.

 

 

so bhakti is a sadhna of just Lord himself and none else, and others

Mantra and tantra sadhanas also have different goals but one needs

compelete effort to get a result(leave alone Gurudevs grace)

 

i understand as to what you say, and what Gurudev said.

 

ashsish Gurudev is a multifaceted pesonality like krishna, you have

been ignited by the perspective of tantra /mantra sadhanas

 

i have been ignited by the love aspect of Gurudev, before knowing

Gurudev i never understood what love is nor i was interested in it,

only after coming in contact with Gurudev i have been given a taste

of it, and one who tastes that would never ever ones to taste

anything other than that,

 

 

one has to have bhavana and chintan while reciting the mantra at

least true for Guru mantra,rest i dont know, and to me having bhavana

and chintan is no different state from the bhkatas state.

 

 

what you see from your perspective is true,and what i see from my

perspective is true, it is gurudevs greatness that he was able to

inspire such a different thinking persons equally.

 

 

all forms of yogas should end in love and love alone.otherwise there

is no meaning to life.

 

and its not easy to generate love on its own, either it comes with

the contact of a Guru or from previous births.

 

what you told is also true, we need to do mantra and tantra sadhanas,

Gurudev also told that, but Gurudev also told that one should become

GURUMY to me it cannont happen without bhavana ,and ones you are

talking of bhavana its no different from bhakti(devotion).

read sadhana siddhi and saphalata chapeter in Gurudevs book "dhyan

dharana and samadhi".

 

iam talking of a later state of mind and you are talking of the

earlier state of mind.

 

 

> So, do perform sadhana.

 

 

sadhana is a more general term, as long as one dosent become sadhak

he dosent attain a goal, a sadhak is not defined by a mantra or a

tantra,any one who has a spritual goal and offers himself to attain

that goal is a sadhak and then only its called a sadhana.

 

 

Jai Gurudev

[Guest guest]

JAI GURUDEV

> iam talking of a later state of mind and you are talking of the

> earlier state of mind.

 

Yes, this is very much possible, but why didn't you explain these

using your later state of mind?

 

I quote once again:

 

################################

Why did our Guruji, Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali, devoted his entire

life to sadhanas, mantras, tantras and other ancient indian sciences?

Why did he re-invent long lost sadhanas like Parkaaya Pravesh sadhana

and Veer Vetaal sadhana summoning Adi Shankaracharya's soul? Why did

he give us fierce Mahavidya Dikshas for free? Why did he start a

magazine called 'Mantra Tantra Yantra Vigyan' and not 'Bhakti Sagar'?

Why did he start 'International Siddhashram Sadhak Parivar' and

not 'International Bhakta Parivar'?

################################

 

I hope, you are not saying that Guruji intentionally wanted to limit

most of his disciples to the 'earlier' state of mind and elevate only

a chosen few to the 'later' state of mind while he promised everyone

completeness.

> one has to have bhavana and chintan while reciting the mantra

> at least true for Guru mantra,rest i dont know, and to me having

> bhavana and chintan is no different state from the bhkatas state.

 

'Chintan', as far as I know, means thinking and according to Guruji,

no matter which mantra you recite, your primary objective is to

control & even stop your thoughts.

 

I feel, you are loosing track. By responding abruptly, you are

denying Guruji himself.

> so bhakti is a sadhna of just Lord himself and none else.

 

There are billions of mantras, tantras, gods and deities; but,

according to Guruji's book 'Mantra Rahasya', they all lead us to one

destination by making us complete.

 

Anyway, from what I could understand here, you are a Bhakta

performing sadhana of just your Lord. May I ask who is your Lord?

Correct me if I'm wrong, I guess, your Lord is the one whom I call

Guruji. If my assumption is correct then let's see what my Guruji and

your Lord has to say on this matter.

 

I quote once again Guruji's own words from a page of his official

website.

 

################################

( From www.siddhashram.org/a20010137.shtml)

 

"Your birth is no ordinary event. The Lord has brought you into this

world with a special purpose."

 

"But blind faith won't lead you to that goal. Just be repeating Ram,

Ram you won't achieve such heights. Just by singing hymns you won't

become immortal, just by beating drums and cymbals you won't be able

to make the entire universe your home."

 

"Totality, completeness and the highest level of success in spiritual

world CAN BE ATTAINED ONLY BY FOLLOWING THE PATH OF SADHANAS. This is

the real goal of your life"

 

"But for this you have to face challenges and stand up against all

odds. You should have an intensity in your eyes, a determination on

your face. And this shall happen when you have the WEAPON OF SADHANAS

in your possession."

 

"You sure can do all this because you have A POWERFUL GURU WHO

POSSESSES THE POWER OF SADHANAS TO GUIDE YOU."

 

"All this is possible only through the medium of SADHANAS."

################################

 

As you can see, my Guruji and, presumably, your Lord is recommending

Sadhanas; not just the sadhana of one Lord, but all sorts of

sadhanas. You may still remember that he dedicated the best years of

his life researching and re-establishing sadhanas; not just the

sadhana of one Lord, but all sorts of sadhanas.

> i understand as to what you say, and what Gurudev said.

 

I don't think you did. My Guruji, as you can read above, wanted us to

perform sadhana. Every disciple of Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali is

expected to perform sadhana; but, many of them didn't due to some

misconceptions, confusions or lack of interest. I am trying to obey

my Guru's order by trying to clear misconceptions and confusions; and

generate some interest for sadhanas. I am trying to help those

disciples of my Guru make their lives better. And trust me, this

won't make me the richest person on earth. You, on the other hand,

are jeopardizing all my efforts by denying your own Guru who happens

to be my Guru too. You are making situation worse for those who are

already very confused and think that sadhanas can help them. You are

telling them quite the opposite.

 

You say Bhakti is a higher state of mind and clearly, you are

progating yourself as a Bhakta. In other words, you are saying,

unintentionally of course, that your level is higher than those who

perform sadhana. But, as you saw earlier, Guruji himself is

advocating sadhanas. I am sure, you wouldn't like anyone to think

that you are higher than your Guru, would you?

> > So, do perform sadhana.

>

> sadhana is a more general term, as long as one dosent become

> sadhak he dosent attain a goal, a sadhak is not defined by a

> mantra or a tantra,any one who has a spritual goal and offers

> himself to attain that goal is a sadhak and then only its called

> a sadhana.

 

So what do you suggest? What should we do? Birendra, this discussion

is no longer healthy as it is creating more confusions rather than

lessening them and I fear, if some of our 'secret admirers' decide to

jump in, this may turn into an unpleasant confrontation. Something we

must avoid. I am sure, you would agree.

 

So, let's pack this thing up and move on towards other topics. Thanks

for giving my mind a good workout. Have a nice day...

 

Ashish...

[Guest guest]

, "nikhilashish" <nikhilashish> wrote:

> JAI GURUDEV

>

> > iam talking of a later state of mind and you are talking of the

> > earlier state of mind.

>

> Yes, this is very much possible, but why didn't you explain these

> using your later state of mind?

>

> I quote once again:

>

> ################################

> Why did our Guruji, Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali, devoted his entire

> life to sadhanas, mantras, tantras and other ancient indian

sciences?

> Why did he re-invent long lost sadhanas like Parkaaya Pravesh

sadhana

> and Veer Vetaal sadhana summoning Adi Shankaracharya's soul? Why

did

> he give us fierce Mahavidya Dikshas for free? Why did he start a

> magazine called 'Mantra Tantra Yantra Vigyan' and not 'Bhakti

Sagar'?

> Why did he start 'International Siddhashram Sadhak Parivar' and

> not 'International Bhakta Parivar'?

> ################################

>

> I hope, you are not saying that Guruji intentionally wanted to

limit

> most of his disciples to the 'earlier' state of mind and elevate

only

> a chosen few to the 'later' state of mind while he promised

everyone

> completeness.

>

> > one has to have bhavana and chintan while reciting the mantra

> > at least true for Guru mantra,rest i dont know, and to me having

> > bhavana and chintan is no different state from the bhkatas state.

>

> 'Chintan', as far as I know, means thinking and according to

Guruji,

> no matter which mantra you recite, your primary objective is to

> control & even stop your thoughts.

>

> I feel, you are loosing track. By responding abruptly, you are

> denying Guruji himself.

>

> > so bhakti is a sadhna of just Lord himself and none else.

>

> There are billions of mantras, tantras, gods and deities; but,

> according to Guruji's book 'Mantra Rahasya', they all lead us to

one

> destination by making us complete.

>

> Anyway, from what I could understand here, you are a Bhakta

> performing sadhana of just your Lord. May I ask who is your Lord?

> Correct me if I'm wrong, I guess, your Lord is the one whom I call

> Guruji. If my assumption is correct then let's see what my Guruji

and

> your Lord has to say on this matter.

>

> I quote once again Guruji's own words from a page of his official

> website.

>

> ################################

> ( From www.siddhashram.org/a20010137.shtml)

>

> "Your birth is no ordinary event. The Lord has brought you into

this

> world with a special purpose."

>

> "But blind faith won't lead you to that goal. Just be repeating

Ram,

> Ram you won't achieve such heights. Just by singing hymns you won't

> become immortal, just by beating drums and cymbals you won't be

able

> to make the entire universe your home."

>

> "Totality, completeness and the highest level of success in

spiritual

> world CAN BE ATTAINED ONLY BY FOLLOWING THE PATH OF SADHANAS. This

is

> the real goal of your life"

>

> "But for this you have to face challenges and stand up against all

> odds. You should have an intensity in your eyes, a determination on

> your face. And this shall happen when you have the WEAPON OF

SADHANAS

> in your possession."

>

> "You sure can do all this because you have A POWERFUL GURU WHO

> POSSESSES THE POWER OF SADHANAS TO GUIDE YOU."

>

> "All this is possible only through the medium of SADHANAS."

> ################################

>

> As you can see, my Guruji and, presumably, your Lord is

recommending

> Sadhanas; not just the sadhana of one Lord, but all sorts of

> sadhanas. You may still remember that he dedicated the best years

of

> his life researching and re-establishing sadhanas; not just the

> sadhana of one Lord, but all sorts of sadhanas.

>

> > i understand as to what you say, and what Gurudev said.

>

> I don't think you did. My Guruji, as you can read above, wanted us

to

> perform sadhana. Every disciple of Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali is

> expected to perform sadhana; but, many of them didn't due to some

> misconceptions, confusions or lack of interest. I am trying to obey

> my Guru's order by trying to clear misconceptions and confusions;

and

> generate some interest for sadhanas. I am trying to help those

> disciples of my Guru make their lives better. And trust me, this

> won't make me the richest person on earth. You, on the other hand,

> are jeopardizing all my efforts by denying your own Guru who

happens

> to be my Guru too. You are making situation worse for those who are

> already very confused and think that sadhanas can help them. You

are

> telling them quite the opposite.

>

> You say Bhakti is a higher state of mind and clearly, you are

> progating yourself as a Bhakta. In other words, you are saying,

> unintentionally of course, that your level is higher than those who

> perform sadhana. But, as you saw earlier, Guruji himself is

> advocating sadhanas. I am sure, you wouldn't like anyone to think

> that you are higher than your Guru, would you?

>

> > > So, do perform sadhana.

> >

> > sadhana is a more general term, as long as one dosent become

> > sadhak he dosent attain a goal, a sadhak is not defined by a

> > mantra or a tantra,any one who has a spritual goal and offers

> > himself to attain that goal is a sadhak and then only its called

> > a sadhana.

>

> So what do you suggest? What should we do? Birendra, this

discussion

> is no longer healthy as it is creating more confusions rather than

> lessening them and I fear, if some of our 'secret admirers' decide

to

> jump in, this may turn into an unpleasant confrontation. Something

we

> must avoid. I am sure, you would agree.

>

> So, let's pack this thing up and move on towards other topics.

Thanks

> for giving my mind a good workout. Have a nice day...

 

 

 

 

 

Ashsish, iam not undermining anyones effort, Gurudev wanted us to do

sadhnas for sure, but what i meant of early state of mind or later

state of mind is

 

the early state is that of a "SADHAK", where Guru is not established

in his heart, or its in the process of establishing and when i meant

later state i was talking of "DISCIPLE" and when there is Gurudev in

your heart then only a person to me is a complete disciple,

 

taking Guru diksha dosent make us a disciple,but by Giving guru

deeksha lord is accepting the responsibilty of taking the person to

the destination of life, but that dosent mean that one has become a

disciple, disciple happens at the later stage of life.

 

gurudev always watned us to be dual natured both hard and soft, you

were empahsising the hard part , i was doing the soft part.

 

here are few quotes by Gurudev

 

1)"A disciple can get closer to the Guru only by thinking like a

woman i.e. with one's heart. By activating the feelings of the heart

he can become fully conscious. Then he has only one aim, one thought,

one goal in life and this is to make the Guru a part of his heart and

soul so that each cell of his body could vibrate with the Guru

energy. "

 

 

2)" Establishing of the Guru energy in each cell of one's body is

possible only through the medium of true love. "

 

from http://www.siddhashram.org/q200012.shtml

 

3)If there is love in your heart and if you try Sadhanas, you shall

realise that each Sadhana has become very easy for you. Then success

in Sadhanas shall become the basis of your life.

 

http://www.siddhashram.org/q200105.shtml

 

 

we both are talking of 2 different things.and it has nothing to do

with 'bhakta parivar' i was using love/devotion and bhakta

synonymously.

 

 

 

you are making an effort to get people intereted in sadhanas , i

making an effort make those sadhanas enjoyable rather than being

mechanical

stuff.

 

 

we will terminate this discussion here

 

 

Jai Gurudev

[Guest guest]

JAI GURUDEV

> but what i meant of early state of mind or later

> state of mind is

 

My dear friend, have you, successfully, been through the first stage?

If yes, please allow others the do the same. If not, please complete

it first and then, talk about the next.

> 1)"A disciple can get closer to the Guru only by thinking like a

> woman i.e. with one's heart. By activating the feelings of the

> heart he can become fully conscious. Then he has only one aim,

> one thought, one goal in life and this is to make the Guru a

> part of his heart and soul so that each cell of his body could

> vibrate with the Guru energy."

 

Beautiful.

> 2)" Establishing of the Guru energy in each cell of one's body is

> possible only through the medium of true love. "

 

Hey, I never said I was against love.

> 3)If there is love in your heart and if you try Sadhanas, you

> shall realise that each Sadhana has become very easy for you.

> Then success in Sadhanas shall become the basis of your life.

 

Of course, that's correct. But till now, the discussion appeared to

be on 'Whether Sadhana or Love'. Yes, 'Sadhana with Love' is surely

divine.

> you are making an effort to get people intereted in sadhanas,

> i making an effort make those sadhanas enjoyable rather than

> being mechanical stuff.

 

Then, you never actually performed sadhana. Who told you that

sadhanas are 'mechanical stuff'? Sadhanas contain divine pleasure,

something totally different from any other form of pleasure. It's

intense, yet tender; painful, yet soothing; hard, yet very soft. No

words can describe the pleasure of performing sadhanas. Try some, you

might like it.

> we will terminate this discussion here

 

Of course, we will. Thanks.

 

Ashish...