Guest guest Posted July 18, 2002 Report Share Posted July 18, 2002 Jai Gurudev, i believe that both wanted the welfare of each other and later things lost track and one reason i personally feel ,that has caused the problems at both ends is "IMAGINATION". They are many other things, but i personally feel that neither of them are wrong and each have their own reasons, its not justified to take sides of any particular person. we should not forget to work on attaing virtous qualities in life, there is no sadhana for it. it has to be worked out by ones own self. by instrospection ,vigilince and reading from the realized souls. Love for Gurudev comes from ones personal experience with a Guru, no one can take it away from you, and no one can give it to you. people come to see Gurudev and only eligible people will stick on with him due to their past karmas. i wish not to write much, a calm mind sees things clearly. and i am posting an article by a realiased soul abt how "imagination" wreaks havoc, this are the things that make a difference in ones life. article starts " IMAGINATION Prakriti never creates a vacuum in the mind. If one anxiety or worry is over, another anxiety immediately manifests. Mind can never become vacant. It has got infinite preoccupations. Carefully mark the ways of the mind. It tempts, exaggerates, magnifies, infatuates, unnecessarily alarms through vain imagination, vain fear, vain worries and vain forebodings. It tries its level best to divert you from concentration on your Lakshya. It took me many years to understand thoroughly the subtle workings of the mind. Mind works havoc through its power of imagination. Imaginary fears of various sorts, exaggeration, concoction, mental dramatisation, building castles in the air, are all due to this power of imagination. Even a perfect, healthy man has some imaginary disease or other due to the power of imagination of the mind. Much energy is wasted on account of imaginary fears. When his mind is fully occupied with the affairs of the war, the soldier does not feel any serious injury as a gunshot wound in the leg. He is not aware of the loss of a large quantity of blood also. He is filled with enthusiasm. He is not conscious of his bodyóso to sayófor the time being. 32 When the excitement is over, when he sees some blood-spots on his clothing or when some of his friends points out to him the wound in the leg, he gets the consciousness. Then he is alarmed a bit. The power of imagination plays havoc now. He gets a collapse now. The power of imagination always exaggerates. A man may have a little weakness. When he becomes your enemy, you at once exaggerate and magnify his weakness and Dosha. You even superimpose on this or concoct many more weaknesses and Doshas. This is due to evil imagination on your part. Whenever the mind of two friends are strained by ill-feelings, these minds begin to exaggerate and concoct things. Fault-finding increases. It is very difficult to get at the truth of the statements of these two broken friends with broken friendship. Their utterances are always coloured by their inner feelings. The power of imagination does havoc now. Maya plays havoc through the mind and its power of imagination. Mind tempts and deceives. Think of one as a good friend of yours and there the thing is created as a reality. Think of him as your foe and then also the mind perfects the thought into an actuality. He who knows the working of the mind and has controlled it by practice is really happy. I shall explain to you the nature of ìmental dramatisation.î Mark the ways of the mind. During conversation with your friends, the mind sometimes imagines in vain that it has hurt the feelings of your friend. It spends much of its energy in unnecessary feeling. You think: ìHow can I see him tomorrow morning? He may be displeased with me.î Next morning when you meet him, nothing happens. Your friend starts a pleasant conversation and smiles. You are surprised. To your great astonishment, the subject of talk takes quite a different turn altogether. A family-man imagines when a severe epidemic of plague ravages: ìWhat shall I do if my wife develops plague and dies now? I have got six children.î This is his vain imagination. Nothing happens. Sometimes, when the train moves slowly on the Pamban Bridge over the sea near Ramesvaram, the mind imagines, ìIf the bridge gives way now, what will become of me? I shall be smashed to pieces.î A touch of fear creeps in. There are thousand and one ways of mental dramatisation like these. The power of imagination plays a vital part in mental dramatisation. When your mind is deeply concentrated, period of two hours passes like five minutes. If the mind is distracted and wandering, half an hour hangs on as two hours. This is everybodyís experience. In dream also, many events that represent a period of fifty years take place within ten minutes. Through the play of the mind, a Kalpa is considered by it as a moment and vice versa. Time is but a mode of the mind. It is Kala Sakti. It is also illusory like the objects. Through the trick of the mind, one furlong at times appears to be a great distance and three miles at other times appear to be a very short distance. You ought to have noted this in your daily life. Marichi Chaitanya, M.A., Ph.D., a Brahmachari of Rumania and myself sat for dinner in the Kailasa Kutia, Svarga Ashram, on the bank of the Ganga. A dish of potato soup was served. Marichi, who has no idea of Indian preparations, took it for a soup of meat. The colour and appearance of the potato soup was exactly the same as that of meat- soup. This is a case of ìmental 33 MINDóITS MYSTERIES AND CONTROL projection.î Marichi projected the idea of meat from his own Samskara within the mind into the potato-soup. Mental projections are all false. Kalpana in the mind means mental creation or imagination. This is the real Yogamaya. You will have to destroy these various Kalpanas. This is the aim of all the spiritual Sadhanas. Then you will be established in Nirvikalpa state of bliss. Pure Nivritti is needed to attain this after you have got Chitta-Suddhi through Nishkama-Karma Yoga. TEMPERAMENT AND HOW IT CAN BE MODIFIED There are secretions from endocrine glands which are ductless viz., Thyroid, Thymus, Parotid, Pineal, Suprarenal, etc. These secretions are directly absorbed into the blood. They play a vital part in constituting the temperament of every individual. The temperament of a man can be greatly modified by environments, education and experience. It can hardly be changed in toto. That is the reason why the Gita says: ìSadrisam Cheshtate Svasyah Prakriter-JnanavanapióEven the man of knowledge behaves in conformity with natureî (Gita, III-33). " May Gurudev bless us with knowledge so that we can tear maya apart and enjoy our precious moments of our life Jai Gurudev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2002 Report Share Posted July 18, 2002 > thank you birendra. how i wish it was my imagination and maya that there were mails posted on your behalf, once a virus on my behalf among hoards of others too etc etc etc and innumerable etcs. visit the group i mentioned sometime, but if you remember i have had to fight tough battles for you to retain you in this group not once but twice, so please do not abandon us yet. i have only one way of clearing my mind these days - chanting guru mantra. i guess right now with me it is working better than pure gyaan. but like always you are person with a pure heart so may GOD bless you. i am going to sit for work now so will reply later. jai gurudev anu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2002 Report Share Posted July 18, 2002 > how i wish it was my imagination and maya that > there were mails posted on your behalf, once a virus on my behalf > among hoards of others too etc etc etc and innumerable etcs. yes its true, when i meant imagination it was not only imagination, when you read the article, when we take the soldier case, he has a blood coming out of wound(that was real) that was a basis for the imaginary fear. i was just not telling abt you only it applies to ashish also, and in general to all of us in our daily life. see for example some one tried to do my characther assisnation, he had the imaginary fear that i was causing harm to Gurudham by misinterpreting or misunderstanding what i wrote, and ashsish based on rajesh parmar experience had the feeling that people will malign chote Gurudev's name. when you see all these things they all started with the real harm or misunderstanding as harm (based on ones own envrironment,education,experience) , but the harm was exaggerated or some misunderstanding. i mention abt the over reaction due to the imaginary fear of the things that have taken place. i dont believe the panic by ashish is necessary.we are all here to prevent from getting Gurudev into a disgraceful situation, no one person can hold everything. we have to understand this. we have to preserve the structure which is called GURU. > visit the group i mentioned sometime, yes i visited, they are very polite and well moderated and not outrageous as we are. we have to learn mannerism of how to conduct in a egroup from them. we terrribly lack it and its clearly evident as one sifts thru their messages. they have a refined behaviour but those people(sakti sadhana) are very techincal in their mails, but i see that they have in general very decent and good maturity levels relative to us. But what i noticed is that most of them are like students doing their study in philosophy/relegion/spritual stuff that is the reason that their discussion are very techinical, but still some what sensible, with few people having some experiences. they discuss lot abt divine mother, and they are technical in that , there are swamis and practising bhramins, nice to keep a watch , but ny heart is where Gurudev is there. >but if you > remember i have had to fight tough battles for you to retain you in > this group not once but twice, yes i will always remember that you beleived in my devotion to my Guru. i also belive that you have the same sincerity to your Guru. >so please do not abandon us yet. why would i leave my beloved Gurudevs group. > i have only one way of clearing my mind these days - chanting guru > mantra. yes Guru mantra will purify. >i guess right now with me it is working better than pure > gyaan. In of the Bade Gurduevs book he descibes "GYAN YOGA" as doing all those things that lead him to spiritual progress and goal. so if it requires bit of all yogas one has to do it. i dont believe that just pure gyan will lead to my goal atleast i dont aspire to be a "Ramana Maharishi" > > but like always you are person with a pure heart i want to have(->) but i dont know when it will be,i believe ,you have a better heart then me , but its your logical thinking that masks it... >so may GOD bless you. you too... jai gurudev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2002 Report Share Posted July 18, 2002 --- i dont believe the panic by ashish is necessary. we are all here to prevent from getting Gurudev into a disgraceful situation, no one person can hold everything. we have to understand this. we have to preserve the structure which is called GURU. perhaps it is. It was not my intention to be so direct. biru bhaiyya, the truth is that I am most unhappy and embarrassed by it. Never ever should dirty linen be washed in public. Unfortunately, it involves a public forum I really do not think this is such a big deal. Fine, I suspect ashish as I have made clear for certain things that went wrong. If I am not right on this he has every right to scream. He is a very capable, bright and a good human being. He is so good that he will appreciated for what he actually is or does without allowing his self doubt to come in between which finds unworthy expressions. To just question- why did he need to post from James kirk or immunamed. We like our nikhilashish a lot more. I only look upon it as a process of dusting by our guru. We all have it in ample. It is just that the quality and kind differs. I have uncountable flaws I have not been able to overcome still-I am hopelessly lazy, disorganized, a procrastinator and more of a planner than an executor. And yes I can be short tempered too and nasty. > visit the group i mentioned sometime, yes i visited, they are very polite and well moderated and not outrageous as we are. we have to learn mannerism of how to conduct in a egroup from them. we terrribly lack it and its clearly evident as one sifts thru their messages. Yes, and this is what I inspired me to post about it. devi_bhakta there is doing a very good job. As are some others but I forget the names. they have a refined behaviour Yes they have. I think it only inspired me. we represent our guru here, and we should all try to contribute in whatever way we can. And rememeber people are watching. but those people(shakti sadhana) are very techincal in their mails, Well, yes. It is on the divine mother as to how she reveals herself to the devotee. Once I met a guru bhai here- a diamond merchant. He complained about kali sadhana. I chant the mantra and then I can feel her dancing around my head—aa gayi to!! I will never chant this mantra. And he stopped. Well she never dances atop my head because she knows I would be delighted. I too had read I think tantric siddhiyam. So when I did sit to chant the kali mantra, I too was a bit scared about what if I have horrid experiences. I found a simple solution in " so now you are going to scare me, you should feel ashamed of yourself if you do". Matter closes. And then never got worried about this again. I still though am uncomfortable about the other ugra mahavidyas. Though I have fooled around a bit with them. But the connection is not there. To me they are like a foreign returned aunt who have some nice not before seen gifts in their luggage, so it is advantageous to be well behave with them. But I have to remind myself that it is actually my mother's sister. (OK form here, and then feel a connection) Gyaan is sometimes of help but usually a badha on the path of bhakti. All that you need to say is mother. She can decide herself which form she will take and what the intricacies involved are. These are just toys provided by the supreme to keep your mind distracted. The truth is that the infinte cannot be revealed within the finite. Therefore, "when I try to paint, my brush fails me, when I try to write words fail me such is the beauty of the supreme" As kabir says: Akath Kahani Prem Ki, Kutch Kahi Na Jaye Goonge Keri Sarkara, Baithe Muskae Translation Inexpressible is the story of Love It cannot be revealed by words Like the dumb eating sweet-meat Only smiles, the sweetness he cannot tell. None the less it is a yog in itself. And there are several accomplished sadhaks who are gyaani too. I do not differentiate between my sadhana and bhakti because I have no such thing as a siddhi in mind. I do not need them. At best I may need some help in some material aspirations, if She thinks I need to grow spiritually too, fine we compromise. That is not my headache. >but if you > remember i have had to fight tough battles for you to retain you in > this group not once but twice, yes i will always remember that you beleived in my devotion to my Guru. i also belive that you have the same sincerity to your Guru. I believe in ashish's devotion too. He is more devoted than me. and a very worthy disciple. Well there is cleansing needed in everyone. why would i leave my beloved Gurudevs group. i want to have(->) but i dont know when it will be,i believe ,you have a better heart then me , but its your logical thinking that masks it... >so may GOD bless you. you too... may GOD and GURUJi bless this group too. Well we are as GOD made us raw, unsophisticated. Ok there is some scope for improvement but, fine at least we are honest in our expression. And genuinely want to contribute. We are like the dance that kate winslet and that silly guy did in the basement of titanic. jai gurudev anu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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