Inquiry

July 24, 2002

Where is Gurudev Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimaliji?

Revered Gurudev Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimaliji has permanently gone to Siddhashram

on Third July, 1998. Please click here for more details on Siddhashram. He is

directing all the activities of Siddhashram as Paramhans Swami

Nikhileshwaranandji. Revered Gurudev Nand Kishore Shrimaliji , Revered Gurudev

Kailash Chandra Shrimaliji and Revered Gurudev Arvind Shrimaliji have been

subsequently handling all His responsibilities.

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Question To whom do I make out the draft ? Someone from Gurudham said to put

Shri Arbind Shrimali. See all the names above. Is anyone of them OK ?

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devi_bhagat

Wednesday, July 24, 2002 2:38 PM

Re: maansik guru poojan

--so that ashish's hard work does not get buried in the list of obscure messages

i have been posting, i am posing it again. i was able to access the site this

time. DO VISIT. really clear presentation which is so much characteristic of

ashish.> > The manasik guru poojan is at>

http://www20.brinkster.com/sadhak/poojan.asp> > i can only introduce it with

what i had read once on Sadhak by > ashish. maansik guru poojan requires no

samagri and can be done > anywhere and everywhere. this is a way of mentally

offering prayers > to gurudev which is as effective as any elaborate ritual. >

i am having difficulty accessing the site right now. so cannot write > anything

more, but please do visit and see for yourself!!> good wishes> jai gurudev>

anuJay Gurudev Terms of

Service.

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July 24, 2002

> Question To whom do I make out the draft ? Someone from

Gurudham said to put Shri Arbind Shrimali. See all the names above.

Is anyone of them OK ?

nazir ji,

sh. arvind srimali is gurudev's youngest son. if you have been told

this there must be a reason, but i do not know what it is. so please

do not worry.

i remember having been told by nand kishore ji to use "Sri narayan

dutt srimali charitable trust or soceity--i forget. if you have any

doubt call delhi--00 91 11 718 22 48. ask to speak to gupta ji. he

handles the money aspect in delhi, and indeed all mails are answered

in his name for some reason and not in the original name of the

person dealing with siddhashram mail.

but nazir ji, you are wasting money. nothing will be done for you by

the time your draft reaches and it may be too late.

jai gurudev

anu

July 25, 2002

draft should be drawn in favour of "Mantra Skati Kendra". Never put it in

the name

of any of the sons of Pujya Gurudev.

>

>devi_bhagat [devi_bhagat]

>Thursday, July 25, 2002 7:23 AM

>

> Re: Inquiry

>

>> Question To whom do I make out the draft ? Someone from

>Gurudham said to put Shri Arbind Shrimali. See all the names above.

>Is anyone of them OK ?

>

>nazir ji,

>sh. arvind srimali is gurudev's youngest son. if you have been told

>this there must be a reason, but i do not know what it is. so please

>do not worry.

>i remember having been told by nand kishore ji to use "Sri narayan

>dutt srimali charitable trust or soceity--i forget. if you have any

>doubt call delhi--00 91 11 718 22 48. ask to speak to gupta ji. he

>handles the money aspect in delhi, and indeed all mails are answered

>in his name for some reason and not in the original name of the

>person dealing with siddhashram mail.

>

>but nazir ji, you are wasting money. nothing will be done for you by

>the time your draft reaches and it may be too late.

>jai gurudev

>anu

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July 25, 2002

all the money that goes to gurudham has to go in to the trust. By drawing it

in favour of

"Mantra Shakti Kendra" one will be doing exactly that. In the magazine it

has been mentioned

that draft should be drawn in favour of "Mantra Shakti Kendra".

i miss-spelt. It should be "Mantra Shakti Kendra"

>

>devi_bhagat [devi_bhagat]

>Thursday, July 25, 2002 7:23 AM

>

> Re: Inquiry

>

>> Question To whom do I make out the draft ? Someone from

>Gurudham said to put Shri Arbind Shrimali. See all the names above.

>Is anyone of them OK ?

>

>nazir ji,

>sh. arvind srimali is gurudev's youngest son. if you have been told

>this there must be a reason, but i do not know what it is. so please

>do not worry.

>i remember having been told by nand kishore ji to use "Sri narayan

>dutt srimali charitable trust or soceity--i forget. if you have any

>doubt call delhi--00 91 11 718 22 48. ask to speak to gupta ji. he

>handles the money aspect in delhi, and indeed all mails are answered

>in his name for some reason and not in the original name of the

>person dealing with siddhashram mail.

>

>but nazir ji, you are wasting money. nothing will be done for you by

>the time your draft reaches and it may be too late.

>jai gurudev

>anu

>

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>Jay Gurudev

>

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>

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July 25, 2002

, "Goel, Anurag (CORP, GEITC)"

<anurag.goel@g...> wrote:

>

> all the money that goes to gurudham has to go in to the trust. By

drawing it

> in favour of

> "Mantra Shakti Kendra" one will be doing exactly that. In the

magazine it

> has been mentioned

> that draft should be drawn in favour of "Mantra Shakti Kendra".

>

> i miss-spelt. It should be "Mantra Shakti Kendra"

>

dear anurag,

is this all that is needed or does one have to post the full address

or some such thing? please post it if necessary. nazir ji seems very

disturbed and he may not be in a position to look it up himself

jai gurudev

anu

July 25, 2002

I have already made it out to Arvind Shrimali yesterday but has not

mailed it. Now what ? I have my photo ready and soon to send out.

What to expect now that someone says that I should not make it out to

one of the sons ? Is someone implying that monies cashed by Pujya Gurudev's

son may end up in his pocket instead of the intended purpose ?

PS. You mentioned that it was too late to be sending money. I was

sending it to get them to prepare a Ajivan Kavach for me to wear.

Is that a reasonable expectation ? And once again is it $200 US to prepare

it for just me (one person). I was quoted $750 US I believe for the whole

family.

-

devi_bhagat

Thursday, July 25, 2002 5:30 AM

Re: Inquiry

, "Goel, Anurag (CORP, GEITC)" <anurag.goel@g...> wrote:> >

all the money that goes to gurudham has to go in to the trust. By drawing it> in

favour of> "Mantra Shakti Kendra" one will be doing exactly that. In the

magazine it> has been mentioned> that draft should be drawn in favour of

"Mantra Shakti Kendra".> > i miss-spelt. It should be "Mantra Shakti Kendra">

dear anurag, is this all that is needed or does one have to post the full

address or some such thing? please post it if necessary. nazir ji seems very

disturbed and he may not be in a position to look it up himselfjai

gurudevanuJay Gurudev Terms

of Service.

July 25, 2002

, "Nazir Patel" <nazir1@r...> wrote:

> I have already made it out to Arvind Shrimali yesterday but has not

> mailed it. Now what ? I have my photo ready and soon to send out.

> What to expect now that someone says that I should not make it out

to

> one of the sons ? Is someone implying that monies cashed by Pujya

Gurudev's

> son may end up in his pocket instead of the intended purpose ?

i do not think anurag meant that. what he meant was what is the

conventiaonal and the proper way. I am not sure who answered your

queries there and how informed the person was. there are very devoted

people there at every level. but they may not be correctly informed

about all details.

> PS. You mentioned that it was too late to be sending

money. I was

> sending it to get them to prepare a Ajivan Kavach for me to wear.

> Is that a reasonable expectation ?

well yes, sure. But i still feel that you or some one on your behalf

should talk to some one responsible before you go through so much

trouble because money is in SHORT supply. what i meant was that it

may be too late for your immediate problem. if it is going to be too

late

why are you worrying about it now? the tantra raksha kavach can be

taken in or after the first week of july also without much problem.

please concentrate on prayers now. But the choice and decision is

yours.

nazir ji, once again.

there are several ways of combatting a problem. tantra raksha kavach

is one of them. if it is very important to you, i can speak to

shrivastav uncle for you but it may be only on the 28th. there will

be courier charges to send you the stuff too. though they should not

bemore than 1500 rs or so.

And once again is it $200 US to prepare

> it for just me (one person). I was quoted $750 US I believe for

the whole

> family.

if you remember you only told me this amount in a private exchange of

mails a few weeks ago for tantra raksha kavach. AND this is the price

for india too. so i think it is this. i did not ask gupta ji this

time but he only quotes the indian price. even if it not, you assume

this price for now. and do not worry. otherwise come on

where will you manage the extra money from??

Nazir ji, the grace of GOD cannot be quantified and labelled with a

price tag. i suggest that you pray. for 1 mantra chant all your

problems can be solved. eho knows?

tell me suppose i tell you that IT MAY BE POSSIBLE to perform

prayers for you send the kavach and to use a scanned photo too let us

say before july end BUT absolutely no guarantee can be taken of the

results on my behalf will it help in anyway? it will not. you just

want your problem solved no??

GOD bless you nazir ji

and may you come out of this state

jai gurudev

anu

July 25, 2002

nazir ji, once again. there are several ways of combatting a problem. tantra

raksha kavach is one of them. if it is very important to you, i can speak to

shrivastav uncle for you but it may be only on the 28th. there will be courier

charges to send you the stuff too. though they should not bemore than 1500 rs

or so. Sorry to be naive but who is shrivastav uncle and where

would this

Kavach come from and am I not supposed to send an original photo and not a

scanned one ? And if I want it in a silver pendant ( is Kavach like an amulet ?),

as I may well get it in silver so that I can wear it and take shower without

worrying about it getting wet. And what do I pay ? If coming from India there

is a courier service that sends an envelope for Rs 500 to Canada.

And just where are you ? Do I send a photo and money directly to Shrivastav

Uncle ? His he in India. As for $750 US for the whole family I was not

capable

of sending anyways to Gurudham. Therefore I had asked whether they would

make one just for me and charge accordingly. And that is when someone

(can't recall who), told me it was 10,000 Rs. or $200 US.

Although when I mentioned to Sanjay with whom I spoke and asked for

the price of kavach just for one (myself), he threw the $500 US amount and

I reminded him that I was told $200. When I told him of my problem he suggested

I take Diksha for 125 by sending the payment with photo. I told him I had a

draft of 170 ready and that I was interested in the Ajivan Kavach and he said

that for now mail the draft, take diksha and later the Kavach can be done.

This is where things stand now. Any thoughts ? What do I do next ?

As for the name I wrote on the draft I can take it back to the bank and ask them

if there was a way I can change it .

-

devi_bhagat

Thursday, July 25, 2002 10:14 AM

Re: Inquiry

, "Nazir Patel" <nazir1@r...> wrote:> I have already made it

out to Arvind Shrimali yesterday but has not> mailed it. Now what ? I have my

photo ready and soon to send out.> What to expect now that someone says that I

should not make it out to> one of the sons ? Is someone implying that monies

cashed by Pujya Gurudev's> son may end up in his pocket instead of the intended

purpose ?i do not think anurag meant that. what he meant was what is the

conventiaonal and the proper way. I am not sure who answered your queries there

and how informed the person was. there are very devoted people there at every

level. but they may not be correctly informed about all details.> PS.

You mentioned that it was too late to be sending money. I was> sending it to

get them to prepare a Ajivan Kavach for me to wear.> Is that a reasonable

expectation ? well yes, sure. But i still feel that you or some one on your

behalf should talk to some one responsible before you go through so much

trouble because money is in SHORT supply. what i meant was that it may be too

late for your immediate problem. if it is going to be too latewhy are you

worrying about it now? the tantra raksha kavach can be taken in or after the

first week of july also without much problem. please concentrate on prayers

now. But the choice and decision is yours.nazir ji, once again. there are

several ways of combatting a problem. tantra raksha kavach is one of them. if

it is very important to you, i can speak to shrivastav uncle for you but it may

be only on the 28th. there will be courier charges to send you the stuff too.

though they should not bemore than 1500 rs or so.And once again is it $200 US

to prepare> it for just me (one person). I was quoted $750 US I believe for

the whole> family.if you remember you only told me this amount in a private

exchange of mails a few weeks ago for tantra raksha kavach. AND this is the

price for india too. so i think it is this. i did not ask gupta ji this time

but he only quotes the indian price. even if it not, you assume this price for

now. and do not worry. otherwise come onwhere will you manage the extra money

from??Nazir ji, the grace of GOD cannot be quantified and labelled with a price

tag. i suggest that you pray. for 1 mantra chant all your problems can be

solved. eho knows?tell me suppose i tell you that IT MAY BE POSSIBLE to

perform prayers for you send the kavach and to use a scanned photo too let us

say before july end BUT absolutely no guarantee can be taken of the results on

my behalf will it help in anyway? it will not. you just want your problem

solved no??GOD bless you nazir jiand may you come out of this statejai

gurudevanuJay Gurudev Terms

of Service.

July 25, 2002

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> Sorry to be naive but who is shrivastav uncle

shrivastav uncle is the first disciple of GURUdev and is responsible

for several activities at the delhi gurudham.

and where would this

> Kavach come from and am I not supposed to send an original photo

and not a

> scanned one ?

yes you are supposed to send a photo not a scanned one.

And if I want it in a silver pendant ( is Kavach like an amulet ?),

i have no idea if this is possible. like i said please call up and

ask to speak to some one responsible.

> as I may well get it in silver so that I can wear it and take

shower without

> worrying about it getting wet.

kavach is not to be worn in shower. this is what i have been told.

kavach should be treated as representation of GOD and kept clean.

And what do I pay ? If coming from India there

> is a courier service that sends an envelope for Rs 500 to Canada.

if you know a courier service and a person great, i have never in my

life bought a kavach and sent it to some one.

> And just where are you ?

i am not in india.

Do I send a photo and money directly to Shrivastav

> Uncle ?

NO! make the draft in favour of mantra shakti kendra as anurag said.

about the photo i am not sure but it should go with it.

look,

shrivastav uncle is the busiest man there. and i have no right to

make any promises on his behalf to any one.

His he in India.

yes uisually at delhi, but travels a lot too.

As for $750 US for the whole family I was not capable

> of sending anyways to Gurudham.

Therefore I had asked whether they would

> make one just for me and charge accordingly. And that is when

someone

> (can't recall who), told me it was 10,000 Rs. or $200 US.

nazir ji

if they told you it must be the correct price. i have never worn a

tantra raksha kavach. so i cannot answer this.

> Although when I mentioned to Sanjay with whom I spoke and

asked for

> the price of kavach just for one (myself), he threw the $500 US

amount and

> I reminded him that I was told $200.

so whoever this sanjay is, is giving you the correct price i am sure.

When I told him of my problem he suggested

> I take Diksha for 125 by sending the payment with photo. I told him

I had a

> draft of 170 ready and that I was interested in the Ajivan Kavach

and he said

> that for now mail the draft, take diksha and later the Kavach can

be done.

> This is where things stand now. Any thoughts ?

nazir ji........

may GOD bless you. does the guru diksha cost 125 US dollars. in US? i

really do not see this point of 170 dollars. as for diksha, for now

pray to gurudev for help. tell him about your situation and request

him to accept you as a disciple. tell him that you will take GURU

diksha when you can afford it. then forget about it right now. OR is

this some special diksha? ok just pray and say you cannot afford the

diksha and kavach immediately. you are amking a mistake in the

approach to the whole issue. when we come to seek help from higher

powers it is not a business transaction. so perhaps this attitude of

200 dollars --protection for me, 750 dollars protection for my family

will have to go.

nazir ji the kavach cannot reach you before august beginning

earliest. first your draft has to reach them then it is fair to give

them a few day time. and then let us say 1 week before it reaches

you, right?

ao why are you making this a priority now?

i or any of my brothers here can only suggest that you pray.

have you been chanting the bagala mantra suggested to you? i suggest

you just surrender.

you know may i quote something which i heard from some pious devi

devotee? She does soemthing only when you stop thinking and

surrender. Otherwise fine "buddhi to dee hi hui hai, sochte raho"

This is true for all GODs guru etc This is the only way to invite

help at a difficult time. i am in this mess because of my negative

karma, the situation is hopeless, i cannot handle me, please help me.

What do I do next ?

take a few dep breaths, relax. and chant bagala mala mantra as other

members here suggest as much as you can, the more the better. BUT

please make it a point to chant guru mantra, chetna and gayatri. if

you have no rosary, let it be, chant guru mantra for 20 minutes and

chetna nad gayatri for 10 each once daily. then make a rule for

yourself morning noon, night

three times a day chant bagala mala mantra. if not make it twice..

chant it as many times as you can. 21? 51? 108?if you get tired while

chanting. stop. stretch your legs for a few moments without getting

up from your aasan and restart. if you have any reluctance in

chanting it then please say it openly! so that we think in the same

direction. evrytime you feel worried chant it. it says in there

"par yantra par mantra par tantraani chedaya chedaya

aatma mantra tantraani raksh raksh".i am quoting frommemory so may be

a bit wrong. i am sure you know what that means. you do not ahve

time to waste in running arounfd and making calls right now.

chnat it

> As for the name I wrote on the draft I can take it back to the bank

and ask them

> if there was a way I can change it .

i am sure you can

you have not sent it. this is no big deal. all banks will do this for

their cleints at no extra cost!

>

> i am really busy right now. i may not be available online.

but my wishes and prayers are with you.

jai gurudev

anu

> Jay Gurudev

>

> Terms of

Service.

July 26, 2002

Hi Nazir,

the money as such has to go in the trust. This is to make the

process more robust and transparent.

If i were you i will change the draft to "Mantra Shakti Kendra". I am really

surprised that someone asked u to make it

in the name of "Arvind Shrimaliji".

Jai Gurudev,

Anurag

Nazir Patel [nazir1 (AT) rogers (DOT) com]Sent:

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