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Jai Gurudev

 

while browsing thru the mails i found that one has to be aware of the

follwoing things

 

Please note this

 

1) if "GRIHSTH" people are reciting the panchakshari mantra, it

should be "namah shivaya om" and this way of recitation is prescribed

for "GRISHT PEOPLE"(in materialistic perspective), dont recite the

mantra the other way unless told by your Guru.

however people who have taken vow not to marry can do "om namah

shivaya".

 

2)besides while reciting mantra, pls do not bother about the

pronunciation, give the focus to the mantra and maintain the

discipline of chanting with focus, then the mantra would recorrect by

itself, your chanting will get the natural pronounciation.

this in a way is a sign that your sadhana is succeding.

 

jai gurudev

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, "birendra_m" <birendra_m> wrote:

>

> Jai Gurudev

>

> while browsing thru the mails i found that one has to be aware of

the

> follwoing things

>

> Please note this

>

> 1) if "GRIHSTH" people are reciting the panchakshari mantra, it

> should be "namah shivaya om" and this way of recitation is

prescribed

> for "GRISHT PEOPLE"(in materialistic perspective), dont recite the

> mantra the other way unless told by your Guru.

> however people who have taken vow not to marry can do "om namah

> shivaya".

>

 

oye......,

kis ne keh diya? patrika me kai baar likha hai.

 

nov 98 paro. aum namah shivay sab ka mantra

hai

mother parvati chanted it to marry lord shiv.

naarad ne diksha dee thee. serial nahin dekha- aum namah shivaaya?

 

now very politely may i remind you that you once told me that you

will take nazir ji's problem to some one and help it be solved. us ka

kya hua? kuch kar sakte ho to karo biru bhaiya. it is not within my

means.

> 2)besides while reciting mantra, pls do not bother about the

> pronunciation, give the focus to the mantra and maintain the

> discipline of chanting with focus, then the mantra would recorrect

by

> itself, your chanting will get the natural pronounciation.

> this in a way is a sign that your sadhana is succeding.

>

> jai gurudev

 

this was very correct- just like your usual enlightened self. please

keep dropping your pearls of wisdom we miss them and i especially am

looking for a silent exit from the back door

jai gurudev

keep chin up!

anu

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> > 1) if "GRIHSTH" people are reciting the panchakshari mantra, it

> > should be "namah shivaya om" and this way of recitation is

> prescribed

> > for "GRISHT PEOPLE"(in materialistic perspective), dont recite

the

> > mantra the other way unless told by your Guru.

> > however people who have taken vow not to marry can do "om namah

> > shivaya".

> >

>

> oye......,

> kis ne keh diya? patrika me kai baar likha hai.

>

> nov 98 paro. aum namah shivay sab ka mantra

> hai

> mother parvati chanted it to marry lord shiv.

> naarad ne diksha dee thee. serial nahin dekha- aum namah shivaaya?

 

 

well the answer for this is, she was OK if lord shiva remained

however he was(penniless,living in mountains/burial grounds)

she liked the way he was, so it didnt matter to her,wheterher he had

money /etc or not.

so to please lord shiva you can do the normal way, but iam talking of

materialistic thing), imean while you want some materialistic benfit

then it should be the otherway , unless told by ones Guru.

 

 

Lord vishnu should be associated some way or the other for household

needs.

 

we will take a simple case, the Gurumantra given to us is narayan

based, though Gurudev is beyond narayana and shiva.

 

 

 

jai Gurudev

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, "birendra_m" <birendra_m> wrote:

> >

> > > 1) if "GRIHSTH" people are reciting the panchakshari mantra, it

> > > should be "namah shivaya om" and this way of recitation is

> > prescribed

> > > for "GRISHT PEOPLE"(in materialistic perspective), dont recite

> the

> > > mantra the other way unless told by your Guru.

> > > however people who have taken vow not to marry can do "om namah

> > > shivaya".

> > >

> > >

> well the answer for this is, she was OK if lord shiva remained

> however he was(penniless,living in mountains/burial grounds)

> she liked the way he was, so it didnt matter to her,wheterher he

had

> money /etc or not.

> so to please lord shiva you can do the normal way, but iam talking

of

> materialistic thing), imean while you want some materialistic

benfit

> then it should be the otherway , unless told by ones Guru.

>

>

 

well i have been taught that c aum namah shivaay should be chanted by

everyone -- some one who is serious devi devotee to the extent that

he attained oneness with her , so i will stick to it.

i remember similar things written about it in gurudev's mantra

rahasya. that you can chant it as and when you can with no rules. but

i do not ahve it here to quote.

to associate lotd vishnu,

you chant the mantra as

hari aum namah shivaaya. i have heard that often too.

in any case with that you come to the debate of mara mara chanted by

valmiki which became ram ram ram

and

namah shivay aum namha shivaay aum namah shivaay will not differ so

much.

 

 

birendra,

to belittle shiva as a penniless GOD speaks of ignorance just like

saying that kali is feirce so she cannot give roop and saubhagaya. he

is the giver of all the boons to all the GOds, he is the guru of all

gurus. and how will chanting namah shivaay aum change that?

BUt may be you ahve a point which is relevant to those who think the

way you do. so thank you for your comment.

 

aum namha shivaay gives peace happiness saubhagya (nov 2000 isuue)

what will a sanyaasi do with saubhaagya?

so now that the page is open

giving a few more mantras:

 

for removing fear and victory over enemies

hreem aum namah shivaay hreem

 

 

for grihasth sukh, getting children etc

ram ksham mam yam om am

 

and ofcourse mrityunjaya

aum trayambakam yajamahe sugandhim pushti vardhanam

urvaarukmeev bandhanaan mrityurmuksheeya maamtrataat

for evrything under the sun!

>

> we will take a simple case, the Gurumantra given to us is narayan

> based, though Gurudev is beyond narayana and shiva.

>

>

yes that is a good observation i never thought of it this way.

naraayna andshiva re also beyond these defintions. it is only we who

are tied by them.

jai gurudev

anu

 

 

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> jai Gurudev

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> well i have been taught that c aum namah shivaay should be chanted

by

> everyone -- some one who is serious devi devotee to the extent

that

> he attained oneness with her , so i will stick to it.

 

 

stick to whatever your Guru says as i always said,Guru has the power

to do anything, he is like siva, iam talking of people who are house

holders and dont have a Guru,siva is not their Guru, becos the

mantra is not given to them by siva.

 

 

 

> i remember similar things written about it in gurudev's mantra

> rahasya. that you can chant it as and when you can with no rules.

but

> i do not ahve it here to quote.

 

this is not my thoughts , but of saints.

 

> to associate lotd vishnu,

> you chant the mantra as

> hari aum namah shivaaya. i have heard that often too.

 

no i am not telling in that way,if you want shiva, just do namah

shivaya aum. i am not talking of hari aum namah shivaya(at least i

didnt hear).

 

 

 

 

> in any case with that you come to the debate of mara mara chanted

by

> valmiki which became ram ram ram

> and

> namah shivay aum namha shivaay aum namah shivaay will not differ so

> much.

>

 

good logic , i felt that you would come up with this,my intution is

not bad, but i think it is different, it is how you pronunce it.

for rama its one word and for this "aum in the starting of the mantra

is different from the aum at the end, i heard it Gurumukha(mouth of a

Guru). "aum at the starting is very short you cant expand it, but aum

at the end has longer pitch and lifecycle" hope you understand.

>

> to belittle shiva as a penniless GOD speaks of ignorance just like

> saying that kali is feirce so she cannot give roop and saubhagaya.

he

> is the giver of all the boons to all the GOds, he is the guru of

all

> gurus.

 

 

well i am not belittling any God.

>and how will chanting namah shivaay aum change that?

> BUt may be you ahve a point which is relevant to those who think

the

> way you do. so thank you for your comment.

 

iam an only saying that panchakshari,in that way is more a renunciate

mantra then the other way.this is not my theory i heard it Gurumukha.

 

>

> and ofcourse mrityunjaya

> aum trayambakam yajamahe sugandhim pushti vardhanam

> urvaarukmeev bandhanaan mrityurmuksheeya maamtrataat

> for evrything under the sun!

 

 

probably you may be true , but its true for avoiding disease leading

to death or anything leading to death.

>

> >

> > we will take a simple case, the Gurumantra given to us is narayan

> > based, though Gurudev is beyond narayana and shiva.

> >

> >

> yes that is a good observation i never thought of it this way.

> naraayna andshiva re also beyond these defintions. it is only we

who

> are tied by them.

 

its the same way as different colors exist in white, white is a

reality and other colors are also a reality though transitory in

nature, so for transitory fulfillments you need transitory Gods

and for permanent fulfilment you need parabrahma.

 

 

Jai Gurudev

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--- Birendra,

 

"stick to whatever your Guru says as i always said,Guru has the power

to do anything,"

 

 

Ø this is not my guru, this is at best a personification of the

divine mother or a saint. Guru shishya relation has several rules.

When the only bond is love there are no rules.

Ø

 

"this is not my thoughts , but of saints."

Ø

well I am quoting gurudev's book mantra rahasya as well as MTY. We

always quote these books as they are the source of our guru's wisdom.

Ø I understand that some one who you take as a guru has said

this to you. In that case, I must thank you for adding to the

discussion and bringing a new point across. It is always healthy to

have varied opinions and then take what suits one best. Eg we at home

are forbidden from offering water on a shiv ling after dusk. At

gurudhaam there are no such rules. In such situations one has to

listen to one's own heart and soul.

 

 

I was only saying whether you chant aum namah shivaay or namah

shivaay aum just where does Vishnu come in? even in that case shiva

will remain the GOD of the cremation ground will he not?

 

"aum at the starting is very short you cant expand it, but aum

at the end has longer pitch and lifecycle" hope you understand.

 

Ø yes I understand. But when you get to chant as you very

wisely put it, things begin to come in rhythm on their own. In such a

situation self-imposed boundaries fade. So all this long short pitch

become s meaning less, that is why mara changed to ram and that is

why namah shivaay aum and aum namah shivaay will fade into each

other. I fear not so much difference will remain then. And I think

you can expand aum anywhere at least seems so when I am trying. In

any case the way i have heard it, it is chanted aloud with long vocal

stretch for aum, for namah and for shivaay.

Ø

Ø

Ø

>

> and ofcourse mrityunjaya

> aum trayambakam yajamahe sugandhim pushti vardhanam

> urvaarukmeev bandhanaan mrityurmuksheeya maamtrataat

> for evrything under the sun!

 

 

probably you may be true , but its true for avoiding disease leading

to death or anything leading to death.

 

Ø

Ø birendra, have you chanted mrityunjaya? This is a misnomer.

There is a lot of spiritual cleansing which is needed for

accomplishing any task and mriyunjaya helps. It can be used for

things like begetting a son and all material riches as well as is the

most prescribed vedic mantra for cleansing of sins, or to planetary

afflictions no matter what aspect of your life is affected.

Ø

Ø Mantras like mrityunjaya, gayatri can be used for any task.

And remember one thing shiva is the giver of all tantra all mantra,

yantras. Sapta koti mantras have arisen from him. Yet he himself is

abobe all this drama and you need to just make a shivling of mud and

worship him. Nothing is needed – feelings suffice

Ø

Ø now I will take break from this discussion to tell you a

short story on shiva without reference to context because I feel

like..!! In a shiva temple, where people come and go like toads in

the rainy reason, there were 2 men who came daily without fail. One

would offer water, then place a flower and leave. The oother had

developed some infuriation towards this GOD and would go there take

off his slippers dust them on the shiv ling and leave. This went on

for several months, years. Then one day the weather was really bad.

It poured heavily, there was a cyclone and deterred by the bad

weather, the bhakta failed to appear. But this was not a big enough

challenge for the hatred of the "abhakta" and he appeared. Took off

his shoes as usual and dusted them on the shiving. This was enough to

please shiva. And he appeared – gave him saakshaat darshan and asked

him to take a boon of his choice. This is not perhaps meant for you

since you according to your own assertions never chant, but goes to

guide those who do. Niyam- is the most important thing in shiv

worship and in pleasing Him. So take up a mantra a count set aside a

time. And do it without fail no matter what comes to try you. Taking

up something small may also not be a bad idea. But then do not break

it until mission is accomplished whatever it is. Indeed GOD is above

bhaav kubhaav, bhakti, abhakti. SO just to go back --for the most

powerful mantra of the most powerful and benevolent God who is known

as aghour daani nothing is impossible!indeed nothing is impossible to

even aum namah shivaay or namah shivaay aum or whatever you wish to

chant it like.

Ø

Ø

its the same way as different colors exist in white, white is a

reality and other colors are also a reality though transitory in

nature, so for transitory fulfillments you need transitory Gods

and for permanent fulfilment you need parabrahma.

 

there are no transitory GODS. Hinduism exists on the principle of

raising every deity to infinity. Any God is in a position to provide

you all the spiritual and material wealth you need if you know how to

ask for it.

 

thank you very much for adding to whatever little I knew, biru

bhaiyya. I can understand that since you heard it from gurumukh you

are so assertive about it, and may be a bit touchy too. I am logging

off now. My work has been suffering because of issp, and will not

from now.

So if there is anything urgent like always I am available by personal

mail. If it is avoidable, I will be grateful if I am left alone for a

while. I still remember about the sahasrakshar kavach and will post

it as soon as it is scanned.

Jai gurudev

anu

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> Ø this is not my guru, this is at best a personification of the

> divine mother or a saint.

 

 

Generally mantra should be given by a Guru and he assumes the

responsiblity of that sadhana, by giving all the knowledge

(pronounciation,no of chants....)of that mantra, besides the mantra

is given based on Gurus assesment of the disciple mental state.

believe me words cant catch the bhava, only chanting by a Guru can

make you know where to get the pitch up and pitch down, say for

example "help me" if i say it different bhava and high pitch it looks

like an order and if in low pitch and soft it look like request, its

very sad that you people dont understand the need for a bhava while

chanting the mantra.(by bhava you focus a mantra besides purpose).

no doubt without bhava also things work but, it would take lot of

time to set to the natural tune/bhava of the mantra in the mean time

one may get frustrated and discontinue

 

 

 

 

> Guru shishya relation has several rules.

> When the only bond is love there are no rules.

 

 

what i say is they fulfill all rules, and transcend beyond it, all

things abide by sashtra, though it seems there are no rules .

dont take this too seriously.

 

>I understand that some one who you take as a guru has said

> this to you. In that case, I must thank you for adding to the

> discussion and bringing a new point across. It is always healthy to

> have varied opinions and then take what suits one best.

 

 

there are no opinions in the shastra, and there are lot of ways of

worship each has its own reasons, we should not go by our opinions,

but only by the Gurus, whoever the Guru might be.in this case do what

ever pleases you.

 

> Eg we at home

> are forbidden from offering water on a shiv ling after dusk. At

> gurudhaam there are no such rules. In such situations one has to

> listen to one's own heart and soul.

>

 

 

we are not at this stage, if can hear and implement what soul says we

dont need any mantras or tantras

>

> I was only saying whether you chant aum namah shivaay or namah

> shivaay aum just where does Vishnu come in? even in that case shiva

> will remain the GOD of the cremation ground will he not?

 

 

true, i was talking in general and making and additional point.

vishnu is meant for householder stuff which we should not forget.

as siva tattva is diffrent from vishnu tattva, we become what we

meditate on , too much of siva will make us more renunciate nature,

our thinking patterns and goals change that is one of the things one

should take care of.

>

> "aum at the starting is very short you cant expand it, but aum

> at the end has longer pitch and lifecycle" hope you understand.

>

> Ø yes I understand. But when you get to chant as you very

> wisely put it, things begin to come in rhythm on their own. In such

a

> situation self-imposed boundaries fade. So all this long short

pitch

 

 

 

good point i agree, but you are forgetting the bhavana part. the

purpose of the mantra and focus should also be taken into

consideration.

 

>And I think

> you can expand aum anywhere at least seems so when I am trying. In

> any case the way i have heard it, it is chanted aloud with long

vocal

> stretch for aum, for namah and for shivaay.

 

in a panchakshari how can you break 3 times all should be in one go,

that is why i told that it should come from Gurumkha ,if you are

listening to some cassettes by some T series or so, then forget it.

 

it is a panchakshari so no break all in one go (five letters in one

word) now you will see the difference as to what i say.

 

 

 

 

> >

> > and ofcourse mrityunjaya

> > aum trayambakam yajamahe sugandhim pushti vardhanam

> > urvaarukmeev bandhanaan mrityurmuksheeya maamtrataat

> > for evrything under the sun!

>

>

> Ø birendra, have you chanted mrityunjaya? This is a misnomer.

> There is a lot of spiritual cleansing which is needed for

> accomplishing any task and mriyunjaya helps. It can be used for

> things like begetting a son and all material riches as well as is

the

> most prescribed vedic mantra for cleansing of sins, or to planetary

> afflictions no matter what aspect of your life is affected.

 

 

i know gayatri is universal mantra yes mrityunjaya, is powerful and

what all you said may be true,if you reason clearly why do we suffer

disease is it not due to bad karma, besides disease exists at 3

levels.

 

 

 

The story was good example for niyam and sincerity. so it shows

sincerity/discipline on its own get generate results besides you have

to note one point is that lord shiva can be easily pleased. but still

the story is convincing on sincerity. good point any ways

> there are no transitory GODS. Hinduism exists on the principle of

> raising every deity to infinity. Any God is in a position to

provide

> you all the spiritual and material wealth you need if you know how

>to

> ask for it.

>

 

bhavana is important, take ramakrishna paramahmsa he attained

completenes with kali, but that was not all, still he had to enter

into into the nirguna tattva, so whatever be the God one has to enter

formless realm to reach infinity,

 

> thank you very much for adding to whatever little I knew, biru

> bhaiyya. I can understand that since you heard it from gurumukh you

> are so assertive about it, and may be a bit touchy too. I am

logging

> off now. My work has been suffering because of issp, and will not

> from now.

 

mine too has suffering.

 

Jai gurudev

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--- Birendra,

I have yet to carefully read your long mail. I thank you for the

effort you took in typing it for me. I appreciate your heartfelt

concern. But I fully understand how and where to take a mantra Since

I have never claimed not to be in the guidance of a guru such a

discussion is meaningless. I as a person have learnt a lot from a lot

of people as Dattatreya puts across your teacher is everywhere. So

just like I showed respect to people you revere, kindly do not equate

my sources to T series. It is really nice to see someone like you who

claims that he can mange well without sadhanas give such elaborate

comments on chanting. This just means that you should be doing them

yourself too after all

Have you heard kabir

 

"Main kehta aankhin dekhi, tu kehta kaagaz kee dekhi"

 

hearsay is never enough. True experience is what you gain yourself.

So until you sit to chant, all the commentary you are giving will be

borrowed. Well I too am not in a position yet to give any original

authentic comments but I am trying in this direction and gaining

success and getting guidance too. And whatever little I have learnt,

I have put in the few posts I have posted on sadhanas, and will put

more in the posts that follow.

 

its

very sad that you people dont understand the need for a bhava while

chanting the mantra.(by bhava you focus a mantra besides purpose).

no doubt without bhava also things work but, it would take lot of

time to set to the natural tune/bhava of the mantra in the mean time

one may get frustrated and discontinue

 

what on earth made you make this assumption and statement?? No mantra

ritual of mine goes without bhav. Please go back and read the post on

sadhanas I have posted, probably in taking a quick look you have

missed my point. The first step I take in chanting any mantra is

nderstanding what this GOD stands for and I try to with whatever

limited apparatus in terms of soul mind and body I have open myself

up to that power. my prayer rituals are never completed without

listening to some melodious rendering of stotras—since as I put

across this is the easiest way for me to emote. To understand what I

am saying you need to combine the two. Neither bhav nor sadhana alone

can work, when I started as a child I had enough bhav in me to make

things happen by listening to any obscure bhajan or praying. Then as

I grew older I lost this capacity. But chanting cleanses the dirt

that has gathered within even if it is temporarily. It brings it

back, and I am able to after a session of chanting enjoy the same

feeling of being immersed in bhakti. Very vain talk I guess. As I put

across, it is temporary state and does not happen every day. That is

what ashish has been trying to tell you. Just like bhav is important

for sadhnas, sadhanas are also important for purifying bhav. It is

very sad to see someone become a disciple of nikhileshwarand and deny

himself the path of sadhana. And remember one thing, human beings are

different just like you think you can manage purely by bhav, there

are people at the other extreme who can mange just by sadhna since

bhav is not something that come naturally to them. but they have

tremendous will power and that is their path. But yes the best dinner

is when it is full course. Coffee to dessert.

>

>

> Generally mantra should be given by a Guru and he assumes the

Ø responsiblity of that sadhana,

 

yet I have chanted so many mantras without meeting Dr srimali, and

still managed to get the right pitch and tone etc. so will I mange

with aum namah shivaay too. Thank you for your concern, but I think I

have guidance.

>

> > >

now if you do not mind, in the limited time I have, I prefer to use

it constructively in helping people like nazir ji. I think he needs

us all a lot these days. we have been chatting for months now, and

our philosophic discussions can wait till we are more free.

Jai gurudev

Aum namah shivay

Anu

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