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I just wish to add a certain point here to the very insightful

posting of our friend Anu....

 

Regarding abhachar karmas, even though they are not respected,

sometimes they may become necessary in order for peace to exist in

this world. A policeman sometimes needs to use his gun to kill

criminals, as a part of his duty. There's no doubt that the policeman

commits violence, but if he doesn't, then we would only see more

killings, more murders committed by the criminals. Hence, by

committing a little violence, the policeman prevents a greater

violence from occuring, and this might also be termed as an act

of "non-violence" in a relative way.

 

Similarly, there are also plenty of evil tantriks in this world, who

indulge in black magic and several other evil practices, and unless

we equip ourselves with all the "weapons" to stand up against such

forces, we ourselves would be destroyed by these forces. So the

abhachar karmas might come into play here, and we might have to

function like cops in that regard.

 

However, abuse of these abhachar karmas certainly creates more karma

and we would have to account for it eventually. For instance, if we

try vashikaran rituals to get a promotion in a job over an otherwise

more qualified employee, then it's likely that during the next life

or even the same life, someone else less qualified might use a

similar ritual to supercede us in the same way.

 

We're living in a world of relatives, where absolutes do not exist.

So I believe that everything (including the most filthy) has its

place here during the appropriate circumstances, and there are

no "perfect" solutions in an imperfect world. ("Aghora: At the Left

Hand of God" is a wonderful book that shows how even the filthiest

substances can be used for spiritual progress.)

 

Paramahansa Yogananda once said that evil exists in this world in

order for us to stop being attached to the world and start seeking

the Creator of the world instead. If the world were perfect, then

nobody would seek the Maker of the world.

 

Hence evil exists, as ordained directly by the Creator, so we're

required to be practical and learn to deal with it accordingly. And

at the same time, we are also urged to rise above the dualities of

good and evil, and seek unity through Divine Union with the Infinite

Spirit through various means.

 

In Divine Friendship

 

-Mukund

 

, "devi_bhagat" <devi_bhagat> wrote:

>

> So dear brother manuj,

>

> Here is my promised answer (in parts!!) But perhaps it is more

> addressed to all.

>

> "1. Is there REALLY any power in these Mantras / Tantras /

Yantras /

> Vashikaran etc.? If yes, is it really as powerful as ppl say it is

> and if they are really as powerful as a Nuclear Bomb, is it safe to

> let the 'RED' button be handled by ppl who are coward and weak, who

> can't face the truth and reality in life.

>

> I truely appreciate the helping spirit of the members and knowledge

> sharing that is happening here. But, do u think it should be used

to

> control a girl who has left a guy for some reason, and to enslave

> some boss and get quick promotions by using vashikaran etc. and not

> by true love and real hardwork. I still find it hard to believe if

> it really works."

>

> Though I agree with what ashish wrote, I will like to quote from

our

> gurudev's book tantra sadhana as I have it in hand. Sorry that

cannot

> translate more, but I really want to.

>

> Tantrik sadhak shareer tatva ko saath le ke aage barta hai. Kyonki

> wah jaanta hai ki is tatava ko chorrna kathin va aswabhavik hai.

> Tantra ke anusaar swastha shareer aur man adhyaatmik sadhana ke

> aadhaar hain. Bhog manushya ki janmajaat pravirti hai. Tyaag ki

> pravirti kast se upaarjit ki jaati hai is liye swabhavikta se door

> hai. Guru ke nirdeshan me panchamkaar ka bhog karne se sanyam ki

> utpatti hoti hai. Sadhak yeh samajhne lagta hai ki bhogon se chir

> sthayi anand nahin mil sakta. Shashwat sukh ke liye sadhak ka

hridya

> utkanthit hone lagta hai. Tab sadhak panchamakaar aur pashu bhav ki

> aasakti chorne par tatpar ho jata ahi.

>

> Brihtar aanand ki prapti ke maarga me aane wali badhaon ko tantra

> sadhana me paash ke naam se pukaara jata hai. Yeh paash aath

prakaar

> ke hain –bhookh, pyaas, irshya darr, laaj, maan, raag aur dwesh. Ye

> paash manav ko us ke mool chaitanya roop se asmabhandh kar dete

hain.

> Tantra me aatma gyaan ko pramukhta dee gayi hai. Maaran, stambhan,

> ucchatan vashikaran aadi kriyaaon ko gaun mana gaya hai. Ye gaun

> kriyaen jinhen abhichaar karma bhi kehte hain lobh marg hain, jin

par

> chalk kar patan ki sambhaavnayen banti hain. Abhichaar kriya ke moh

> se mukta hone par divya bhav ki prapti hone par sadhak indriyateet

ho

> jata hai. Iccha matra se wah dharti par kisi bhi vastu ka gyaan

> prapta kar leta hai.

>

> (the tantrik knows that his body is his most vital instrument and

he

> cannot do away with it. Tantra rests on the foundation of a healthy

> body and mind. To go towards –bhoga- that ranges from hunger to

need

> for sex is basic instinct in man. Tyaag involves pain, and is

> therefore unnatural. If panchammakar (madya-wine, matsya –fish,

> maansa –flesh, mudra –making poses with hand and maithun –sex) are

> indulged in under the guidance of a guru it leads to contentment

and

> slowly leads to detachment from them. The sadhak begins to

understand

> that no amount of bhog will lead to everlasting joy. And this leads

> to a desire to seek higher knowledge and bliss. Then the sadhak

comes

> to a state that he is able and longing to give up the pashu bhav

> (animal instincts and emotions) and panchamkaar.

>

> The obstacles in the path to eternal bliss are called ashta (8)

pash

> (bondings). They are bhookh (hunger), pyaas (thirst), irshya ya

daah

> (jealousy), dar (fear), laaj (shame, yes shame! that too is an

> expression of "I"), maan (pride and ego), raag (attachment) and

> dwesha (I think dwesha is jealousy and negative emotions to others

> without a cause). These eight obstacles lead man to forget his true

> chaitanya (illuminated) nature. Tantra is based on the philosophy

of

> self realization. Maaran (killing some one), stambhan (stopping or

> paralyzing the activities of others), ucchatan (trying to

manipulate

> the interests and inclinations of others) vashikaran (controlling

> others for selfish ends) etc are also called abhichaar karma and

not

> respected. This is the path of greed and may lead to doom. When a

> sadhak gives up the attachment and the desire to indulge in

abhichar

> karma, the sadhak is able to conquer his five senses. By just

desire

> he is able to attain the knowledge of anything and everything on

> earth and all truths reveal themselves to him.)

>

> I think that answers it all! So selfishness is not the goal of

> tantra. As is usually misinterpreted and this explains the use of

> things otherwise forbidden in religion.