About Tummo initiation.

November 21, 2002

Does anyone know about Tummo initiation., Clearing of

Chakras etc.? I have read about multiple cases of

kundalini awakened people ( who are awake without any

yogic practice also) having severe health problems. I

have heard of some people on the internet who give

tummo initiation via phone( they use their divine

power) for a fee. I thought of taking one session but

got scared. Has anyone here heard about a lady in

Vancouver" MYSTRESS ANGELIQUE" ?

WWW.KUNDALINI-GATEWAY.ORG

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November 22, 2002

oh! her very much. I was actively involved in her discussion group for more

than year.

I am sure this much that she is not an enlightened one. I am not sure about

whether she has become enlightened in past 2 years or so.

If i were you i will never go to her for initiation and rather follow

sadhanas given by Pujya Gurudev. She might have some chakraas awakened but

that grace of a sadhu she doesn't have. I have couple of friends from her

kundalini discussion list but haven't got in touch with them after i left

their discussion group.

if u have taken dikshaa from Pujya Gurudev then i will never advise you to

go to her.

Why don't you find an enlightened Indian Guru like Sri Sri Sri Ravishankar.

Pujya Gurudev have spoken highly of Ananfamayi. Why don't u try there.

Above all why don't pray to Pujya Gurudev with true heart and full devotion

to awaken

your kundalini and the job will be done as easy as that. In the whole

universe whom will find none who can awaken your kundalini as easily as

Pujya Gurudev. Gurudev can awaken even the kundalini of a kid but if u go to

any other Guru they will place the restriction of one good physique. Other

Gurus are very right in their restrictions but its the highness of Pujya

Gurudev that there are no bars for him.

Jai Gurudev

Anurag

>

>hhhh mmmm [hema484]

>Friday, November 22, 2002 3:59 AM

>

> About Tummo initiation.

>

>Does anyone know about Tummo initiation., Clearing of

>Chakras etc.? I have read about multiple cases of

>kundalini awakened people ( who are awake without any

>yogic practice also) having severe health problems. I

>have heard of some people on the internet who give

>tummo initiation via phone( they use their divine

>power) for a fee. I thought of taking one session but

>got scared. Has anyone here heard about a lady in

>Vancouver" MYSTRESS ANGELIQUE" ?

>WWW.KUNDALINI-GATEWAY.ORG

>

>I NEED SECOND OPINIONS FROM ALL WHO KNOW ABOUT THIS

>BEFORE I REALLY GET INTO THIS.

>

>- Hema.

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November 22, 2002

Dear Anurag,

I appreciate your devotion to Pujya Gurudev. Please keep posting such

inspiring thoughts. It helps the other memebers in building faith and

devotion.

Thanks

S

November 22, 2002

Anuragji, Thank you very much for your opinion.

Actually I am also in her discussion list. She charges

$500 USD for her 3-hour session on phone.

I had asked her. I also asked a few people about her

in the list. Two of them had taken her sessions. They

said it clears up the chakras and also some karmas and

they were v happy about it. I TOLD HER THAT I AM

INTERESTED IN TRANSFORMING MYSELF SO THAT I CAN BE

CLOSER TO GOD. SHE SAID SHE WOULD GIVE ME TUMMO

INITIATION AND CLEAR UP SOMETHING(I GUESS CHAKRA SHE

DIDNOT EXACTLY MENTION WHAT). SHE TOLD ME THAT I WAS

AWAKE BUT NOT THAT MUCH SO SHE CAN HELP ME. "BUT I

NEED TO BE PAID THOUGH" WERE HER EXACT WORDS. I AM NOT

CRTICIZING ANY BODY. I HAVE NO RIGHT TO DO SO.

But I thought that energy works in a different

pattern in every individual. What if my energy runs

beserk, who will I go to? it is never within anybody's

control. Also in that list many k-awake people

(awakened either thro yoga or by birth) complained of

terrible symptoms which they suffered for years

(almost the major part of their lives). I don't want

to develop these kind of symptoms so I did'nt take the

session with her. But believe me, I was on the verge

of taking it.

ALSO TANTRA COULD BE DANGEROUS IF NOT DONE RIGHTLY.

ONE BIG QUESTION:

Why is that awakening so terrifying and dangerous

rather than peaceful and joyous? UNION WITH GOD SO

BAD????

DID YOU TAKE ANY SESSION WITH HER? WHAT IS YOUR

EXPERIENCE WITH HER? WHAT MADE U LEAVE THAT GROUP?

Anuragji., I try to be as rational and logical as

possible. I am spontaneous so i express what i think

frankly, if someone proves me wrong i would really

change myself.

With regards,

Hema.

--- "Goel, Anurag (CORP, GEITC)"

<anurag.goel wrote:

>

> oh! her very much. I was actively involved in her

> discussion group for more

> than year.

> I am sure this much that she is not an enlightened

> one. I am not sure about

> whether she has become enlightened in past 2 years

> or so.

>

> If i were you i will never go to her for initiation

> and rather follow

> sadhanas given by Pujya Gurudev. She might have some

> chakraas awakened but

> that grace of a sadhu she doesn't have. I have

> couple of friends from her

> kundalini discussion list but haven't got in touch

> with them after i left

> their discussion group.

>

> if u have taken dikshaa from Pujya Gurudev then i

> will never advise you to

> go to her.

> Why don't you find an enlightened Indian Guru like

> Sri Sri Sri Ravishankar.

>

> Pujya Gurudev have spoken highly of Ananfamayi. Why

> don't u try there.

>

> Above all why don't pray to Pujya Gurudev with true

> heart and full devotion

> to awaken

> your kundalini and the job will be done as easy as

> that. In the whole

> universe whom will find none who can awaken your

> kundalini as easily as

> Pujya Gurudev. Gurudev can awaken even the kundalini

> of a kid but if u go to

> any other Guru they will place the restriction of

> one good physique. Other

> Gurus are very right in their restrictions but its

> the highness of Pujya

> Gurudev that there are no bars for him.

>

> Jai Gurudev

>

> Anurag

>

> >

> >hhhh mmmm [hema484]

> >Friday, November 22, 2002 3:59 AM

> >

> > About Tummo initiation.

> >

> >Does anyone know about Tummo initiation., Clearing

> of

> >Chakras etc.? I have read about multiple cases of

> >kundalini awakened people ( who are awake without

> any

> >yogic practice also) having severe health problems.

> I

> >have heard of some people on the internet who give

> >tummo initiation via phone( they use their divine

> >power) for a fee. I thought of taking one session

> but

> >got scared. Has anyone here heard about a lady in

> >Vancouver" MYSTRESS ANGELIQUE" ?

> >WWW.KUNDALINI-GATEWAY.ORG

> >

> >I NEED SECOND OPINIONS FROM ALL WHO KNOW ABOUT THIS

> >BEFORE I REALLY GET INTO THIS.

> >

> >- Hema.

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November 22, 2002

HOW DID U FIND OUT THAT SHE IS NOT ENLIGHTENED?

--- "Goel, Anurag (CORP, GEITC)"

<anurag.goel wrote:

>

> oh! her very much. I was actively involved in her

> discussion group for more

> than year.

> I am sure this much that she is not an enlightened

> one. I am not sure about

> whether she has become enlightened in past 2 years

> or so.

>

> If i were you i will never go to her for initiation

> and rather follow

> sadhanas given by Pujya Gurudev. She might have some

> chakraas awakened but

> that grace of a sadhu she doesn't have. I have

> couple of friends from her

> kundalini discussion list but haven't got in touch

> with them after i left

> their discussion group.

>

> if u have taken dikshaa from Pujya Gurudev then i

> will never advise you to

> go to her.

> Why don't you find an enlightened Indian Guru like

> Sri Sri Sri Ravishankar.

>

> Pujya Gurudev have spoken highly of Ananfamayi. Why

> don't u try there.

>

> Above all why don't pray to Pujya Gurudev with true

> heart and full devotion

> to awaken

> your kundalini and the job will be done as easy as

> that. In the whole

> universe whom will find none who can awaken your

> kundalini as easily as

> Pujya Gurudev. Gurudev can awaken even the kundalini

> of a kid but if u go to

> any other Guru they will place the restriction of

> one good physique. Other

> Gurus are very right in their restrictions but its

> the highness of Pujya

> Gurudev that there are no bars for him.

>

> Jai Gurudev

>

> Anurag

>

> >

> >hhhh mmmm [hema484]

> >Friday, November 22, 2002 3:59 AM

> >

> > About Tummo initiation.

> >

> >Does anyone know about Tummo initiation., Clearing

> of

> >Chakras etc.? I have read about multiple cases of

> >kundalini awakened people ( who are awake without

> any

> >yogic practice also) having severe health problems.

> I

> >have heard of some people on the internet who give

> >tummo initiation via phone( they use their divine

> >power) for a fee. I thought of taking one session

> but

> >got scared. Has anyone here heard about a lady in

> >Vancouver" MYSTRESS ANGELIQUE" ?

> >WWW.KUNDALINI-GATEWAY.ORG

> >

> >I NEED SECOND OPINIONS FROM ALL WHO KNOW ABOUT THIS

> >BEFORE I REALLY GET INTO THIS.

> >

> >- Hema.

> >

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November 22, 2002

, hhhh mmmm <hema484> wrote:

> Anuragji, Thank you very much for your opinion.

> Actually I am also in her discussion list. She charges

> $500 USD for her 3-hour session on phone.

>

> I had asked her. I also asked a few people about her

> in the list. Two of them had taken her sessions. They

> said it clears up the chakras and also some karmas and

> they were v happy about it. I TOLD HER THAT I AM

> INTERESTED IN TRANSFORMING MYSELF SO THAT I CAN BE

> CLOSER TO GOD. SHE SAID SHE WOULD GIVE ME TUMMO

> INITIATION AND CLEAR UP SOMETHING(I GUESS CHAKRA SHE

> DIDNOT EXACTLY MENTION WHAT). SHE TOLD ME THAT I WAS

> AWAKE BUT NOT THAT MUCH SO SHE CAN HELP ME. "BUT I

> NEED TO BE PAID THOUGH" WERE HER EXACT WORDS. I AM NOT

> CRTICIZING ANY BODY. I HAVE NO RIGHT TO DO SO.

>

hema,

i have been to the site, just kind of browsed the site, i agree with

anurag , that she is not realized.(iam telling you from the analysis

of the website content)

she proposes a visualization technique! with some breathing exercises

(probably mixing here some pranayam stuff)

so the practise of intense visulization is not the way you handle

kundalini!

handling kundalini, is being able to guide it to upper chakras and

atleast putting it safe in the "HEART" chakra after peircing the

three granthis, becos kundalini is unstable and runs crazy when in

the lower chakras, so one should really need "GURU'S" grace to handle

it lower chakras,

and generally when a guru awakens a kundalini, its usually to the

heart chakra , so he will not keep you at any of the lower 3 chakras,

that is the reason many people see their "past lives" and other

related things when a guru awakens, but if it is in the lower

chakras you dont see such higher expereinces.

if you leave it free at lower chakras, you will develop lot health

problems, becos the prana is travelling upwards, which is not unlike

the normal individual.

> But I thought that energy works in a different

> pattern in every individual. What if my energy runs

> beserk, who will I go to? it is never within anybody's

> control. Also in that list many k-awake people

> (awakened either thro yoga or by birth) complained of

> terrible symptoms which they suffered for years

> (almost the major part of their lives). I don't want

> to develop these kind of symptoms so I did'nt take the

> session with her. But believe me, I was on the verge

> of taking it.

this is true, that is why you should have a god realized guru and not

cheap crooks, who dont completely understand its potential.

>

> ALSO TANTRA COULD BE DANGEROUS IF NOT DONE RIGHTLY.

true

>

> ONE BIG QUESTION:

> Why is that awakening so terrifying and dangerous

> rather than peaceful and joyous? UNION WITH GOD SO

> BAD????

>

No it is peaceful and joyous when you have devotion, and when your

kundalini raises, your nervers should be prepared to handle such high

cosmic energy, and if its not done by a knowledgeble guru, your

nervous/pranic system gets erratic.

i feel that one can control kundalini raise thru devotion, if we can

maintain our devoted state consistently during the raise...

> DID YOU TAKE ANY SESSION WITH HER? WHAT IS YOUR

> EXPERIENCE WITH HER? WHAT MADE U LEAVE THAT GROUP?

>

> Anuragji., I try to be as rational and logical as

> possible. I am spontaneous so i express what i think

> frankly, if someone proves me wrong i would really

> change myself.

>

please never go to her, just raising Kundalini, is not the way you

deal with it,after it is raisen it is to be managed properly, the

purpose of kundalini is just not to raise it, but to merge the

individual existence with the lord, then only things can be

smooth,which is a long process

god blees you

Jai Gurudev

November 22, 2002

Ofcourse even under guru's supervision, awakening can be painful while the first

grandhi is pierced. But guru will help us to tackle it. Only fortunate ones have

access to such realised gurus.

There are other paths which are far less dangerous.

People have forcefully tried to awaken the force thru hatha yoga and suffered a

lot. I will pay much more than $500 if someone can safely awaken my kundalini.

But unfortunately its not for sale.Its a long term process which should be

undertaken under direct suprevision of a guru.

Same theory applies to meditation too. Meditation is 7th step in raj yog and we

all jump to it directly. Then we complain that mind is not under control. There

is no shortcut for these things. Guru can only show the way. We have to practice

faithfully and walk the path for a long time.

Finally, "Its not recommended to play with kundalini unless one is very convinced about the guru".

my 2 cents...

hhhh mmmm <hema484 > wrote:

Anuragji, Thank you very much for your opinion.Actually I am also in her

discussion list. She charges$500 USD for her 3-hour session on phone.I had

asked her. I also asked a few people about herin the list. Two of them had

taken her sessions. Theysaid it clears up the chakras and also some karmas

andthey were v happy about it. I TOLD HER THAT I AMINTERESTED IN TRANSFORMING

MYSELF SO THAT I CAN BECLOSER TO GOD. SHE SAID SHE WOULD GIVE ME

TUMMOINITIATION AND CLEAR UP SOMETHING(I GUESS CHAKRA SHEDIDNOT EXACTLY MENTION

WHAT). SHE TOLD ME THAT I WASAWAKE BUT NOT THAT MUCH SO SHE CAN HELP ME. "BUT

INEED TO BE PAID THOUGH" WERE HER EXACT WORDS. I AM NOTCRTICIZING ANY BODY. I

HAVE NO RIGHT TO DO SO.But I thought that energy works in a differentpattern in

every individual. What if my energy runsbeserk, who will I go to? it is never

within anybody'scontrol. Also in that list many k-awake people(awakened either

thro yoga or by birth) complained ofterrible symptoms which they suffered for

years(almost the major part of their lives). I don't wantto develop these kind

of symptoms so I did'nt take thesession with her. But believe me, I was on the

vergeof taking it.ALSO TANTRA COULD BE DANGEROUS IF NOT DONE RIGHTLY. ONE BIG

QUESTION:Why is that awakening so terrifying and dangerousrather than peaceful

and joyous? UNION WITH GOD SOBAD????DID YOU TAKE ANY SESSION WITH HER? WHAT IS

YOUREXPERIENCE WITH HER? WHAT MADE U LEAVE THAT GROUP?Anuragji., I try to be as

rational and logical aspossible. I am spontaneous so i express what i

thinkfrankly, if someone proves me wrong i would reallychange myself.With

regards,Hema.--- "Goel, Anurag (CORP, GEITC)"wrote:> > oh! her very much. I was

actively involved in her> discussion group for more> than year.> I am sure this

much that she is not an enlightened> one. I am not sure about> whether she has

become enlightened in past 2 years> or so.> > If i were you i will never go to

her for initiation> and rather follow> sadhanas given by Pujya Gurudev. She

might have some> chakraas awakened but> that grace of a sadhu she doesn't have.

I have> couple of friends from her> kundalini discussion list but haven't got in

touch> with them after i left> their discussion group.> > if u have taken

dikshaa from Pujya Gurudev then i> will never advise you to> go to her.> Why

don't you find an enlightened Indian Guru like> Sri Sri Sri Ravishankar.> >

Pujya Gurudev have spoken highly of Ananfamayi. Why> don't u try there. > >

Above all why don't pray to Pujya Gurudev with true> heart and full devotion>

to awaken> your kundalini and the job will be done as easy as> that. In the

whole> universe whom will find none who can awaken your> kundalini as easily

as> Pujya Gurudev. Gurudev can awaken even the kundalini> of a kid but if u go

to> any other Guru they will place the restriction of> one good physique.

Other> Gurus are very right in their restrictions but its> the highness of

Pujya> Gurudev that there are no bars for him.> > > Jai Gurudev> > Anurag> > >

>> >hhhh mmmm [hema484 ]>

>Friday, November 22, 2002 3:59 AM> >>

> About Tummo initiation.> >> >> >Does anyone know about

Tummo initiation., Clearing> of> >Chakras etc.? I have read about multiple

cases of> >kundalini awakened people ( who are awake without> any> >yogic

practice also) having severe health problems.> I> >have heard of some people on

the internet who give> >tummo initiation via phone( they use their divine>

>power) for a fee. I thought of taking one session> but> >got scared. Has

anyone here heard about a lady in> >Vancouver" MYSTRESS ANGELIQUE" ?>

>WWW.KUNDALINI-GATEWAY.ORG> >> >I NEED SECOND OPINIONS FROM ALL WHO KNOW ABOUT

THIS> >BEFORE I REALLY GET INTO THIS.> >> >- Hema.> >>

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November 23, 2002

WHICH ARE THE OTHER LESS DANGEROUS PATHS?

--- ravi nukala <nukalar2002 wrote:

>

> >

> There are other paths which are far less dangerous.

> People have forcefully tried to awaken the force

> thru hatha yoga and suffered a lot. I will pay much

> more than $500 if someone can safely awaken my

> kundalini. But unfortunately its not for sale.Its a

> long term process which should be undertaken under

> direct suprevision of a guru.

> Same theory applies to meditation too. Meditation is

> 7th step in raj yog and we all jump to it directly.

> Then we complain that mind is not under control.

> There is no shortcut for these things. Guru can only

> show the way. We have to practice faithfully and

> walk the path for a long time.

> Finally, "Its not recommended to play with kundalini

> unless one is very convinced about the guru".

> my 2 cents...

> hhhh mmmm <hema484 wrote:Anuragji, Thank

> you very much for your opinion.

> Actually I am also in her discussion list. She

> charges

> $500 USD for her 3-hour session on phone.

>

> I had asked her. I also asked a few people about her

> in the list. Two of them had taken her sessions.

> They

> said it clears up the chakras and also some karmas

> and

> they were v happy about it. I TOLD HER THAT I AM

> INTERESTED IN TRANSFORMING MYSELF SO THAT I CAN BE

> CLOSER TO GOD. SHE SAID SHE WOULD GIVE ME TUMMO

> INITIATION AND CLEAR UP SOMETHING(I GUESS CHAKRA SHE

> DIDNOT EXACTLY MENTION WHAT). SHE TOLD ME THAT I WAS

> AWAKE BUT NOT THAT MUCH SO SHE CAN HELP ME. "BUT I

> NEED TO BE PAID THOUGH" WERE HER EXACT WORDS. I AM

> NOT

> CRTICIZING ANY BODY. I HAVE NO RIGHT TO DO SO.

>

> But I thought that energy works in a different

> pattern in every individual. What if my energy runs

> beserk, who will I go to? it is never within

> anybody's

> control. Also in that list many k-awake people

> (awakened either thro yoga or by birth) complained

> of

> terrible symptoms which they suffered for years

> (almost the major part of their lives). I don't want

> to develop these kind of symptoms so I did'nt take

> the

> session with her. But believe me, I was on the verge

> of taking it.

>

> ALSO TANTRA COULD BE DANGEROUS IF NOT DONE RIGHTLY.

>

> ONE BIG QUESTION:

> Why is that awakening so terrifying and dangerous

> rather than peaceful and joyous? UNION WITH GOD SO

> BAD????

>

> DID YOU TAKE ANY SESSION WITH HER? WHAT IS YOUR

> EXPERIENCE WITH HER? WHAT MADE U LEAVE THAT GROUP?

>

> Anuragji., I try to be as rational and logical as

> possible. I am spontaneous so i express what i think

> frankly, if someone proves me wrong i would really

> change myself.

>

> With regards,

>

> Hema.

>

> --- "Goel, Anurag (CORP, GEITC)"

> wrote:

> >

> > oh! her very much. I was actively involved in her

> > discussion group for more

> > than year.

> > I am sure this much that she is not an enlightened

> > one. I am not sure about

> > whether she has become enlightened in past 2 years

> > or so.

> >

> > If i were you i will never go to her for

> initiation

> > and rather follow

> > sadhanas given by Pujya Gurudev. She might have

> some

> > chakraas awakened but

> > that grace of a sadhu she doesn't have. I have

> > couple of friends from her

> > kundalini discussion list but haven't got in touch

> > with them after i left

> > their discussion group.

> >

> > if u have taken dikshaa from Pujya Gurudev then i

> > will never advise you to

> > go to her.

> > Why don't you find an enlightened Indian Guru like

> > Sri Sri Sri Ravishankar.

> >

> > Pujya Gurudev have spoken highly of Ananfamayi.

> Why

> > don't u try there.

> >

> > Above all why don't pray to Pujya Gurudev with

> true

> > heart and full devotion

> > to awaken

> > your kundalini and the job will be done as easy as

> > that. In the whole

> > universe whom will find none who can awaken your

> > kundalini as easily as

> > Pujya Gurudev. Gurudev can awaken even the

> kundalini

> > of a kid but if u go to

> > any other Guru they will place the restriction of

> > one good physique. Other

> > Gurus are very right in their restrictions but its

> > the highness of Pujya

> > Gurudev that there are no bars for him.

> >

> > Jai Gurudev

> >

> > Anurag

> >

> > >

> > >hhhh mmmm [hema484]

> > >Friday, November 22, 2002 3:59 AM

> > >

> > > About Tummo initiation.

> > >

> > >Does anyone know about Tummo initiation.,

> Clearing

> > of

> > >Chakras etc.? I have read about multiple cases of

> > >kundalini awakened people ( who are awake without

> > any

> > >yogic practice also) having severe health

> problems.

> > I

> > >have heard of some people on the internet who

> give

> > >tummo initiation via phone( they use their divine

> > >power) for a fee. I thought of taking one session

> > but

> > >got scared. Has anyone here heard about a lady in

> > >Vancouver" MYSTRESS ANGELIQUE" ?

> > >WWW.KUNDALINI-GATEWAY.ORG

> > >

> > >I NEED SECOND OPINIONS FROM ALL WHO KNOW ABOUT

> THIS

> > >BEFORE I REALLY GET INTO THIS.

> > >

> > >- Hema.

> > >

> >

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But these subdivisions are only imaginary as finally every true path merges. To

accelerate the progress, people resort to mantra practice. Mantra is a compact

prayer to the lord. These days there are tons of books on mantra. Everyone seem

to know the most secrect of the mantras.But these will not help much. Mantra

should be taken directly from a guru who comes from a living lineage. A real

guru doesnt randomly give mantra's.He gives a mantra which his lineage has kept

alive. And a tantric guru gives mantra initiation in the name of his guru. He

dives in to a small meditation and feels the presence of his lineage. Then a

mantra flashes which he gives to his student. Such a guru mantra is a boon to

the student and he should repeat it till the end of his life. Sometimes guru

gives additional mantras for specific purposes but guru mantra remains same.

There is no point in switching guru's or swithching mantras. Ofcourse for

mantra practice, we need devotion. Since this becomes a meditative technique

also, the student faces the same old problem during mantra practice which is

control of mind. Even before that the student should practice to sit with his

head neck and trunk straight for a long time without any discomfort. We should

pick an asan and stick to it till we get asan siddhi. Sitting like a rock is a

very important acheivement in spiritual progress.

Then to get mind control, some tantric traditions give important techniques

which are safe. The most important of it is called "sandhya". It is also called

sushumna awakening. Sri Swami Rama of himalayas says that sandhya is a sure way

to control mind and that without sushumna awakening mantra/meditation practice

bears little fruit. He says Sushumna awakening brings great joy to the mind and

the mind will turn inward.

Technique: Do nadi sodhan pranayam for 3 months to clean nadis. Pranayam should

be done under supervision of a guru. Else it should be attempted carefully

without straining lungs in any way.

Then yogis concentrate on the space above upper lip where it meets the nostrils.

They observe the inhalation and exhalation and in due time the student develops

skill to change nostril at any time AND the breath flows in both nostrils. This

is called sandhya. Once the student acheives this, meditation/mantra practice

will bear a lot of fruit and we start travelling inward and when time is ripe

kundalini will rise safely. And since sushumna passage will be clean by these

practices, when kundalini rises it moves thru sushumna and will not cause major

problems. But this comes after long practice.

Guru Mantra practice done as given DIRECTLY by a competent guru is a very safe

process as well as it bears fruit quickly in few years. Practising mantras of

vashikaran,uchhatan etc... will only push us backward and they incur huge loads

of bad karma. So, it is useless to do these.

I have high regards for kriya yoga of Sri Yogananda. But personally i like

mantra practice as mantra is not something we chant just during the time we

sit for meditation or anusthan. Its a 24 hour companion. Try chanting mantra

before going to sleep and when one wakes up we can observe that the chanting is

still going on in the mind.

I suggest reading the book "At the eleventh hour" by Sri Rajmani Tigunait. Its

the biography of sri swami rama and it discusses many practical issues of

spirituality.This will give us the momentum to go in the right track without

looking for shortcuts and the so called 'quick realisation methods'.

hope this helps.

Ravi.

hhhh mmmm <hema484 > wrote:

WHICH ARE THE OTHER LESS DANGEROUS PATHS? --- ravi nukala wrote:> > > > There

are other paths which are far less dangerous.> People have forcefully tried to

awaken the force> thru hatha yoga and suffered a lot. I will pay much> more

than $500 if someone can safely awaken my> kundalini. But unfortunately its not

for sale.Its a> long term process which should be undertaken under> direct

suprevision of a guru.> Same theory applies to meditation too. Meditation is>

7th step in raj yog and we all jump to it directly.> Then we complain that mind

is not under control.> There is no shortcut for these things. Guru can only>

show the way. We have to practice faithfully and> walk the path for a long

time.> Finally, "Its not recommended to play with kundalini> unless one is very

convinced about the guru".> my 2 cents...> hhhh mmmm wrote:Anuragji, Thank> you

very much for your opinion.> Actually I am also in her discussion list. She>

charges> $500 USD for her 3-hour session on phone.> > I had asked her. I also

asked a few people about her> in the list. Two of them had taken her sessions.>

They> said it clears up the chakras and also some karmas> and> they were v happy

about it. I TOLD HER THAT I AM> INTERESTED IN TRANSFORMING MYSELF SO THAT I CAN

BE> CLOSER TO GOD. SHE SAID SHE WOULD GIVE ME TUMMO> INITIATION AND CLEAR UP

SOMETHING(I GUESS CHAKRA SHE> DIDNOT EXACTLY MENTION WHAT). SHE TOLD ME THAT I

WAS> AWAKE BUT NOT THAT MUCH SO SHE CAN HELP ME. "BUT I> NEED TO BE PAID

THOUGH" WERE HER EXACT WORDS. I AM> NOT> CRTICIZING ANY BODY. I HAVE NO RIGHT

TO DO SO.> > But I thought that energy works in a different> pattern in every

individual. What if my energy runs> beserk, who will I go to? it is never

within> anybody's> control. Also in that list many k-awake people> (awakened

either thro yoga or by birth) complained> of> terrible symptoms which they

suffered for years> (almost the major part of their lives). I don't want> to

develop these kind of symptoms so I did'nt take> the> session with her. But

believe me, I was on the verge> of taking it.> > ALSO TANTRA COULD BE DANGEROUS

IF NOT DONE RIGHTLY. > > ONE BIG QUESTION:> Why is that awakening so terrifying

and dangerous> rather than peaceful and joyous? UNION WITH GOD SO> BAD????> >

DID YOU TAKE ANY SESSION WITH HER? WHAT IS YOUR> EXPERIENCE WITH HER? WHAT MADE

U LEAVE THAT GROUP?> > Anuragji., I try to be as rational and logical as>

possible. I am spontaneous so i express what i think> frankly, if someone

proves me wrong i would really> change myself.> > With regards,> > Hema.> > >

--- "Goel, Anurag (CORP, GEITC)"> wrote:> > > > oh! her very much. I was

actively involved in her> > discussion group for more> > than year.> > I am

sure this much that she is not an enlightened> > one. I am not sure about> >

whether she has become enlightened in past 2 years> > or so.> > > > If i were

you i will never go to her for> initiation> > and rather follow> > sadhanas

given by Pujya Gurudev. She might have> some> > chakraas awakened but> > that

grace of a sadhu she doesn't have. I have> > couple of friends from her> >

kundalini discussion list but haven't got in touch> > with them after i left> >

their discussion group.> > > > if u have taken dikshaa from Pujya Gurudev then

i> > will never advise you to> > go to her.> > Why don't you find an

enlightened Indian Guru like> > Sri Sri Sri Ravishankar.> > > > Pujya Gurudev

have spoken highly of Ananfamayi.> Why> > don't u try there. > > > > Above all

why don't pray to Pujya Gurudev with> true> > heart and full devotion> > to

awaken> > your kundalini and the job will be done as easy as> > that. In the

whole> > universe whom will find none who can awaken your> > kundalini as

easily as> > Pujya Gurudev. Gurudev can awaken even the> kundalini> > of a kid

but if u go to> > any other Guru they will place the restriction of> > one good

physique. Other> > Gurus are very right in their restrictions but its> > the

highness of Pujya> > Gurudev that there are no bars for him.> > > > > > Jai

Gurudev> > > > Anurag> > > > > > >> > >hhhh

mmmm [hema484 ]> > >Friday, November 22, 2002 3:59 AM> >

>> > > About Tummo initiation.>

> >> > >> > >Does anyone know about Tummo initiation.,> Clearing> > of> >

>Chakras etc.? I have read about multiple cases of> > >kundalini awakened

people ( who are awake without> > any> > >yogic practice also) having severe

health> problems.> > I> > >have heard of some people on the internet who> give>

> >tummo initiation via phone( they use their divine> > >power) for a fee. I

thought of taking one session> > but> > >got scared. Has anyone here heard

about a lady in> > >Vancouver" MYSTRESS ANGELIQUE" ?> >

>WWW.KUNDALINI-GATEWAY.ORG> > >> > >I NEED SECOND OPINIONS FROM ALL WHO KNOW

ABOUT> THIS> > >BEFORE I REALLY GET INTO THIS.> > >> > >- Hema.> > >> >>

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shreegurucharana kamalebyo namah

what if i have some real problem in my present time and poojya gurudev gives a

to mantra to chant , if i lack the concentration or will power,should i

have to think tht

i ca not escape tht problem,give up mantra chanting without hope.the problem can

be something like if i dont solve now,i might have to die sort.PLZ GUIDE.

ADITYA

ravi nukala <nukalar2002 > wrote:

It is said that bhakti is the best path in kaliyug. It is the safest path too.

And it takes a lot of time to develop real bhakti. So, it is a slow and safest

path. Most of us are not fit for path of jnana. It should be undertaken under

supervision of a qualified guru and jnani contemplates on subtle truths and

eventually his kundalini rises.But ego becomes a bottleneck in this path. So,

bhakti is the best. But these subdivisions are only imaginary as finally every

true path merges. To accelerate the progress, people resort to mantra practice.

Mantra is a compact prayer to the lord. These days there are tons of books on

mantra. Everyone seem to know the most secrect of the mantras.But these will

not help much. Mantra should be taken directly from a guru who comes from a

living lineage. A real guru doesnt randomly give mantra's.He gives a mantra

which his lineage has kept alive. And a tantric guru gives mantra initiation in

the name of his guru. He dives in to a small meditation and feels the presence

of his lineage. Then a mantra flashes which he gives to his student. Such a

guru mantra is a boon to the student and he should repeat it till the end of

his life. Sometimes guru gives additional mantras for specific purposes but

guru mantra remains same. There is no point in switching guru's or swithching

mantras. Ofcourse for mantra practice, we need devotion. Since this becomes a

meditative technique also, the student faces the same old problem during mantra

practice which is control of mind. Even before that the student should practice

to sit with his head neck and trunk straight for a long time without any

discomfort. We should pick an asan and stick to it till we get asan siddhi.

Sitting like a rock is a very important acheivement in spiritual progress. Then

to get mind control, some tantric traditions give important techniques which

are safe. The most important of it is called "sandhya". It is also called

sushumna awakening. Sri Swami Rama of himalayas says that sandhya is a sure way

to control mind and that without sushumna awakening mantra/meditation practice

bears little fruit. He says Sushumna awakening brings great joy to the mind and

the mind will turn inward. Technique: Do nadi sodhan pranayam for 3 months to

clean nadis. Pranayam should be done under supervision of a guru. Else it

should be attempted carefully without straining lungs in any way. Then yogis

concentrate on the space above upper lip where it meets the nostrils. They

observe the inhalation and exhalation and in due time the student develops

skill to change nostril at any time AND the breath flows in both nostrils. This

is called sandhya. Once the student acheives this, meditation/mantra practice

will bear a lot of fruit and we start travelling inward and when time is ripe

kundalini will rise safely. And since sushumna passage will be clean by these

practices, when kundalini rises it moves thru sushumna and will not cause major

problems. But this comes after long practice. Guru Mantra practice done as given

DIRECTLY by a competent guru is a very safe process as well as it bears fruit

quickly in few years. Practising mantras of vashikaran,uchhatan etc... will

only push us backward and they incur huge loads of bad karma. So, it is useless

to do these. I have high regards for kriya yoga of Sri Yogananda. But personally

i like mantra practice as mantra is not something we chant just during the time

we sit for meditation or anusthan. Its a 24 hour companion. Try chanting mantra

before going to sleep and when one wakes up we can observe that the chanting is

still going on in the mind. I suggest reading the book "At the eleventh hour" by

Sri Rajmani Tigunait. Its the biography of sri swami rama and it discusses many

practical issues of spirituality.This will give us the momentum to go in the

right track without looking for shortcuts and the so called 'quick realisation

methods'. hope this helps. Ravi. hhhh mmmm <hema484 > wrote: WHICH

ARE THE OTHER LESS DANGEROUS PATHS? --- ravi nukala wrote:> > > > There are

other paths which are far less dangerous.> People have forcefully tried to