To Aditya :RE: About Tummo initiation.

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First let me tell that i am too a """beginner""" in this path. I am not fit to

really guide others. That said, pl. take my words as my mere opinion.

When i read about the devotion some of the members of this group (u in

particular) have for sri shrimaliji, i feel very happy. Sometimes i feel bad

for not meeting him when he was among us. I did my engineering in a place

called pilani which is close to gurudham but didnt know about him then.Anyway

all real gurus are manifestation of god.

Its very difficult to concentrate when we have some real problem. Never blame

urself that u are unable to concentrate. Follow the practice that guru gives

regularly at the same time everyday. In difficult situations, devotion to god

and guru helps a lot. Never ever think that u cannot escape the problem. If one

has real faith in mantra/guru, one doesnt become a fatalist. Mantra/guru will

help us to overcome these. perfect mind control is extremely difficult. So,

initially dont worry about perfect concentration. If the problem is desperate,

then if u really believe in the practice given by ur guru, u should have more

will power to complete the practice.Pl. also remember that one has to be with

an openmind and explore all ways to solve the problem at hand as sadhana's

result can come from unexpected corners.

My collegues wife was telling a joke recently:

Itseems a woman was in desparate condition as she lost her job. She prayed to

the lord asking him to help. She was just sitting and praying. She lost her car

as she couldnt pay the money. She was still praying. She lost her home also.

Then she desperately asked god why he was not helping. Then a light appeared

and god said i was waiting that u will buy a lottery ticket so that i can give

u the money u desparately need.

Thou the above one is a joke, one has to be open to see from which corner god

is trying to help.

Please remember that after doing mantra practice as given by the guru, if one

doesnt see results that doesnot mean his practice went waste. Itseems Samartha

Ramdas did purascharan for 17 times and then he got darshan of lord ram. So,

pl. have faith in guru and sadhana practice and do it till the problem is

solved.Regular guru mantra practice helps a lot during such situations. So,

this should be done regularly every day till the end of life and not just till

the problem disappears.

ravi.

deep aditya reddy <aditya1900 > wrote:

dear rave shreegurucharana kamalebyo namah what if i have some

real problem in my present time and poojya gurudev gives a to mantra to

chant , if i lack the concentration or will power,should i have to think tht i

ca not escape tht problem,give up mantra chanting without hope.the problem can

be something like if i dont solve now,i might have to die sort.PLZ GUIDE.

ADITYA ravi nukala <nukalar2002 > wrote:

It is said that bhakti is the best path in kaliyug. It is the safest path too.

And it takes a lot of time to develop real bhakti. So, it is a slow and safest

path. Most of us are not fit for path of jnana. It should be undertaken under

supervision of a qualified guru and jnani contemplates on subtle truths and

eventually his kundalini rises.But ego becomes a bottleneck in this path. So,

bhakti is the best. But these subdivisions are only imaginary as finally every

true path merges. To accelerate the progress, people resort to mantra practice.

Mantra is a compact prayer to the lord. These days there are tons of books on

mantra. Everyone seem to know the most secrect of the mantras.But these will

not help much. Mantra should be taken directly from a guru who comes from a

living lineage. A real guru doesnt randomly give mantra's.He gives a mantra

which his lineage has kept alive. And a tantric guru gives mantra initiation in

the name of his guru. He dives in to a small meditation and feels the presence

of his lineage. Then a mantra flashes which he gives to his student. Such a

guru mantra is a boon to the student and he should repeat it till the end of

his life. Sometimes guru gives additional mantras for specific purposes but

guru mantra remains same. There is no point in switching guru's or swithching

mantras. Ofcourse for mantra practice, we need devotion. Since this becomes a

meditative technique also, the student faces the same old problem during mantra

practice which is control of mind. Even before that the student should practice

to sit with his head neck and trunk straight for a long time without any

discomfort. We should pick an asan and stick to it till we get asan siddhi.

Sitting like a rock is a very important acheivement in spiritual progress. Then

to get mind control, some tantric traditions give important techniques which

are safe. The most important of it is called "sandhya". It is also called

sushumna awakening. Sri Swami Rama of himalayas says that sandhya is a sure way

to control mind and that without sushumna awakening mantra/meditation practice

bears little fruit. He says Sushumna awakening brings great joy to the mind and

the mind will turn inward. Technique: Do nadi sodhan pranayam for 3 months to

clean nadis. Pranayam should be done under supervision of a guru. Else it

should be attempted carefully without straining lungs in any way. Then yogis

concentrate on the space above upper lip where it meets the nostrils. They

observe the inhalation and exhalation and in due time the student develops

skill to change nostril at any time AND the breath flows in both nostrils. This

is called sandhya. Once the student acheives this, meditation/mantra practice

will bear a lot of fruit and we start travelling inward and when time is ripe

kundalini will rise safely. And since sushumna passage will be clean by these

practices, when kundalini rises it moves thru sushumna and will not cause major

problems. But this comes after long practice. Guru Mantra practice done as given

DIRECTLY by a competent guru is a very safe process as well as it bears fruit

quickly in few years. Practising mantras of vashikaran,uchhatan etc... will

only push us backward and they incur huge loads of bad karma. So, it is useless

to do these. I have high regards for kriya yoga of Sri Yogananda. But personally

i like mantra practice as mantra is not something we chant just during the time

we sit for meditation or anusthan. Its a 24 hour companion. Try chanting mantra

before going to sleep and when one wakes up we can observe that the chanting is

still going on in the mind. I suggest reading the book "At the eleventh hour" by

Sri Rajmani Tigunait. Its the biography of sri swami rama and it discusses many

practical issues of spirituality.This will give us the momentum to go in the

right track without looking for shortcuts and the so called 'quick realisation

methods'.

hope this helps. Ravi. hhhh mmmm <hema484 > wrote: WHICH ARE THE OTHER

LESS DANGEROUS PATHS? --- ravi nukala wrote:> > > > There are other paths which

are far less dangerous.> People have forcefully tried to awaken the force> thru

hatha yoga and suffered a lot. I will pay much> more than $500 if someone can

safely awaken my> kundalini. But unfortunately its not for sale.Its a> long

term process which should be undertaken under> direct suprevision of a guru.>

Same theory applies to meditation too. Meditation is> 7th step in raj yog and

we all jump to it directly.> Then we complain that mind is not under control.>

There is no shortcut for these things. Guru can only> show the way. We have to

practice faithfully and> walk the path for a long time.> Finally, "Its not

recommended to play with kundalini> unless one is very convinced about the

guru".> my 2 cents...> hhhh mmmm wrote:Anuragji, Thank> you very much for your

opinion.> Actually I am also in her discussion list. She> charges> $500 USD for

her 3-hour session on phone.> > I had asked her. I also asked a few people about

her> in the list. Two of them had taken her sessions.> They> said it clears up

the chakras and also some karmas> and> they were v happy about it. I TOLD HER

THAT I AM> INTERESTED IN TRANSFORMING MYSELF SO THAT I CAN BE> CLOSER TO GOD.

SHE SAID SHE WOULD GIVE ME TUMMO> INITIATION AND CLEAR UP SOMETHING(I GUESS

CHAKRA SHE> DIDNOT EXACTLY MENTION WHAT). SHE TOLD ME THAT I WAS> AWAKE BUT NOT

THAT MUCH SO SHE CAN HELP ME. "BUT I> NEED TO BE PAID THOUGH" WERE HER EXACT

WORDS. I AM> NOT> CRTICIZING ANY BODY. I HAVE NO RIGHT TO DO SO.> > But I

thought that energy works in a different> pattern in every individual. What if

my energy runs> beserk, who will I go to? it is never within> anybody's>

control. Also in that list many k-awake people> (awakened either thro yoga or

by birth) complained> of> terrible symptoms which they suffered for years>

(almost the major part of their lives). I don't want> to develop these kind of

symptoms so I did'nt take> the> session with her. But believe me, I was on the

verge> of taking it.> > ALSO TANTRA COULD BE DANGEROUS IF NOT DONE RIGHTLY. > >

ONE BIG QUESTION:> Why is that awakening so terrifying and dangerous> rather

than peaceful and joyous? UNION WITH GOD SO> BAD????> > DID YOU TAKE ANY

SESSION WITH HER? WHAT IS YOUR> EXPERIENCE WITH HER? WHAT MADE U LEAVE THAT

GROUP?> > Anuragji., I try to be as rational and logical as> possible. I am

spontaneous so i express what i think> frankly, if someone proves me wrong i

would really> change myself.> > With regards,> > Hema.> > > --- "Goel, Anurag

(CORP, GEITC)"> wrote:> > > > oh! her very much. I was actively involved in

her> > discussion group for more> > than year.> > I am sure this much that she

is not an enlightened> > one. I am not sure about> > whether she has become

enlightened in past 2 years> > or so.> > > > If i were you i will never go to

her for> initiation> > and rather follow> > sadhanas given by Pujya Gurudev.

She might have> some> > chakraas awakened but> > that grace of a sadhu she

doesn't have. I have> > couple of friends from her> > kundalini discussion list

but haven't got in touch> > with them after i left> > their discussion group.> >

> > if u have taken dikshaa from Pujya Gurudev then i> > will never advise you

to> > go to her.> > Why don't you find an enlightened Indian Guru like> > Sri

Sri Sri Ravishankar.> > > > Pujya Gurudev have spoken highly of Ananfamayi.>

Why> > don't u try there. > > > > Above all why don't pray to Pujya Gurudev

with> true> > heart and full devotion> > to awaken> > your kundalini and the

job will be done as easy as> > that. In the whole> > universe whom will find

none who can awaken your> > kundalini as easily as> > Pujya Gurudev. Gurudev

can awaken even the> kundalini> > of a kid but if u go to> > any other Guru

they will place the restriction of> > one good physique. Other> > Gurus are

very right in their restrictions but its> > the highness of Pujya> > Gurudev

that there are no bars for him.> > > > > > Jai Gurudev> > > > Anurag> > > > > >

>> > >hhhh mmmm [hema484 ]> >

>Friday, November 22, 2002 3:59 AM> > >> >

> About Tummo initiation.> > >> > >> > >Does anyone know

about Tummo initiation.,> Clearing> > of> > >Chakras etc.? I have read about

multiple cases of> > >kundalini awakened people ( who are awake without> > any>

> >yogic practice also) having severe health> problems.> > I> > >have heard of

some people on the internet who> give> > >tummo initiation via phone( they use

their divine> > >power) for a fee. I thought of taking one session> > but> >

>got scared. Has anyone here heard about a lady in> > >Vancouver" MYSTRESS

ANGELIQUE" ?> > >WWW.KUNDALINI-GATEWAY.ORG> > >> > >I NEED SECOND OPINIONS FROM

ALL WHO KNOW ABOUT> THIS> > >BEFORE I REALLY GET INTO THIS.> > >> > >- Hema.> >

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