Guest guest Posted June 25, 2003 Report Share Posted June 25, 2003 Jai Gurudev ji; Hello! nari khemlani This disscussion Group ISSPLIST is Exclusively Devoted to Poojya GURUDEV DR.NARAYAN DUTT SHRIMALI JI & TRIMURTI GURUDEV ji.if you are not devoted towards trimurti gurudevji leave this disscussion Group at once, you do not have any compulsion . Becauase only devoted disciple can get something from guruji(tri murti).The life is yours & loss is yours please do not waste your time in these contradictory issues because Gurudevji SWAMI NIKHILESHWARANANDJI are behind all the dikshas ;sadhana ,shivir programms etc.organised by international siddhashram sadhak pariwar.There is no question of misunderstanding . arvindkkr nari khemlani [narikhemlani] Wednesday, June 25, 2003 6:25 AM Re: BEWARE TAKING DIKSHA FROM OTHER SOURCE if you people are very sure why dont you say publically that whosoever takes diksha from trimurti and did not get result as in my case you will pay back money . i want to make very very very clear i am not talking about poojay gurdev narayan datt shrimali i had a oppotunity to meet him during his life time in fact i have complete faith faith comes from experiance with the particular sadhanas etc. the people who gave free diksha are none but guruji deciple even in one of books by guruji during his life time their name is mentioned . and how can you prove they are wrong ? when you and otherlike you you got to to have a blind faith for dikshas to work. as i told that in this type of certain percentage always get result so assuming by syroke of luck or his destiny he get result surly he will tell so on.but what about majority they will loose money. to-day i came across and i am sure you must have came across some one was claiming he asked pooja material of kali instead he got laxmi sadhna material and he dont know how to do sadhna even when i bought sadhana material mala had 101 instead 108 this is afterall bussiness so all thsers thing happened every transaction is on chits not on receipt and in case receipt is issued is not of the same amount. i dont too much sanskrit to give you long discourse to prove my point .they only mentioned deciple must follow and what guru says my friend we are in differrent times those guru of the olden if not impossible but difficult to find now every thing is money some time for publicity they may do some thing if you keep on defeding i will keep on writing this way i may be able to chage some mind so from dont write or protect or accuse nari khemlani </post? protectID=091166091009221125184154001140006089136158196219183121152006 048205198057> Sat Jun 21, 2003 1:21 am dikshas this is to inform all those who thinks by taking three present shrimali they will aceive what they want please dont waist your hard earned money afcourse some few people may get result but majority no.the system itself is psycalogical game same dakshinas you can get free of charge from bhopal from one of desciple of gurudev narayandutt shrimali --- nari khemlani </post? protectID=091166091009221125184154001140006089136158196219183121152006 048205198057> wrote: > > mr mitlesh kumar ,i must have touched your sensitive > spot if i have to have faith and 10 percent i am > not > challenging i have gone through it surly you must > be > one of shiver organizer i have already lost money i > am > not as clever as you to gain some more money you are > quoting words what krishina said but i am saying > mind is not 100 percent filled with faith or doubt > and > if you get right mantra or suggestion from right > person it will otherwise all is words whwre too > much > money is involved where about 85 percent is waisted > if > any body is worth the nature will not to give > result > for that you dont need middle man > > --- nari khemlani </post? protectID=091166091009221125184154001140006089136158196219183121152006 048205198057> wrote: > > > > whenever you pay any money for some it must work > > ther > > is need of faith etc in case if you are one of > the > > people who raise or help in shivar then i > understant > > . > > kunti when first received the mantra she had no > > faith > > but inspite of the karan was mantr given by right > > person will work even if you dont beieve in it > any > > way whatever i have written i still repeat .can > give > > any gurantee that diksha will work given by > > trimurtior > > you will refund idare you > > --- nari khemlani </post? protectID=091166091009221125184154001140006089136158196219183121152006 048205198057> > wrote: > > > mr.parkash pandey, > > > you have asked me how much i know about gurdev > > and > > > trimurti gurdev. i am very happy you are one of > > > their > > > blind follower may god bless you i dont know and > > > never > > > had seen poojay gurudev naryan dutt shrimali on > > > whose > > > reputation trimurti guru are living and making > > > moneymat they make more i only know 2 from > three > > i > > > took diksha from arvind and the one in jodhpur > the > > > one > > > in delhi i have not seen now you are taking > faith > > > do > > > you know what is meaning of faith faith means > > > beliving some blindly and keep on it is good > as > > > you > > > keep on saying every day in every way i am > getting > > > better and better one day your subconcious mind > > will > > > accept the masseage and start working on it > > > subconcious mind dont argue it just obey there > > > some > > > people who are very re3ceptive the words go > > straight > > > to inner mind in that case whatever happens it > is > > > because of their mind .diksha means energy > given > > by > > > right person will work whether you beilieve it > or > > > not.beside that i hope you must have read some > > books > > > by poojay guru n.shrimali according to him the > > > mantra > > > and diety can only work if they are compatible > > with > > > the person who reciting it and have given some > > way > > > to find out which is compatible.i went bombay to > > get > > > diksha as i was doing financialy paid about 4 to > 5 > > > thousand rupees and about 4000rs for tavis and > 500 > > > rs > > > for guru mantra. now there were 40 or more > people > > > waiting to get diksha and then you go out side > > whoi > > > is > > > already surounded with many people and it seems > > he > > > he > > > knows few mantra for same purpose he will any > > one > > > which comes to his mind before all the people > he > > > had > > > no time to see whether one can prononce > correctly > > or > > > whether he is wring it correctly he will do this > > > mantra 3 malas every day for 20 days for do you > > > think > > > for just reaptring 20 days 2 or 3 malas your > bad > > > luck > > > will go away dont kid your selves and dont give > > > suggestion to any body to take diksh until you > are > > > ready to re4fund amount involved you seem to be > > > unaware there are huge money involved.you go to > > > doctor > > > doctor will take medicine and dont eat this or > > that > > > you go take diksh they have no time to ask > whether > > > you > > > eat meat or drik alchol at least one of deciple > of > > > poojay guruved n.shrimali say clearlt if you > are > > > meat > > > eater are drink alchol the diksha will not work > > > trimurti they dont tell you any thing. > personally > > > > > i > > > once again say that i believe in mantra and > diksha > > > > > and if it is given by sidha guru it will work as > > it > > > happened with kunti in mahabharat. 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Guest guest Posted June 26, 2003 Report Share Posted June 26, 2003 - Prakash Thursday, June 26, 2003 9:47 PM Re: re: nari khemlani hI all I think someone is making a complaint based on his personal experience with the Trimuti. He has said that he respect Sri Gurudev. But what i don't understand, why everyone is jumping on him. He said about the experinces he had, so the Siddhashram administration must check out and investigate if his concerns are genuine. As per his saying the Diksha giving procedure is somewhat "mechanical" whereby aspirant saddhak may not have understood the mantra correctly. It is normal concern that if someone is paying for something then he ought to receive the money worth. and now the cases where the wrong sadhna material has been delivered, beads missing in the rosary etc Improvement has no limit - so maybe there is room for improvement in the way the process goes at the Siddhashram. Seeing this situation i remember the quote: "much more blood has been shed in the name of love than hatred" and much of the fightings nowadays are done in the name of God and religious belief than anything else. Let's not make this group platform become a battlefield. My mail is not targeted to anyone specific so please don't start jumping on me this time. It's only my views though i have had no personal experience with the Siddhashram. With all my respect to Gurudev, due to the grace of whom this platform exists today. Thanks Regards, Prakash - arvind1_khairthal Wednesday, June 25, 2003 1:02 PM re: nari khemlani Jai Gurudev ji; Hello! nari khemlani This disscussion Group ISSPLIST is Exclusively Devoted toPoojya GURUDEV DR.NARAYAN DUTT SHRIMALI JI& TRIMURTI GURUDEV ji.if you are not devoted towardstrimurti gurudevji leave this disscussion Group at once,you do not have any compulsion .Becauase only devoted disciple can get something fromguruji(tri murti).The life is yours & loss is yours please donot waste your time in these contradictory issues because Gurudevji SWAMI NIKHILESHWARANANDJI are behind all the dikshas ;sadhana ,shivir programms etc.organised by international siddhashram sadhak pariwar.There isno question of misunderstanding ..arvindkkr (AT) (DOT) co.innari khemlani [narikhemlani (AT) (DOT) co.in] Wednesday, June 25, 2003 6:25 AMTo: Subject: Re: BEWARE TAKING DIKSHA FROM OTHER SOURCEif you people are very sure why dont you saypublically that whosoever takes diksha from trimurtiand did not get result as in my case you will payback money .i want to make very very very clear i am not talkingabout poojay gurdev narayan datt shrimali i had aoppotunity to meet him during his life time in fact ihave complete faith faith comes from experiance with the particular sadhanas etc.the people who gave free diksha are none but guruji deciple even in one of books by guruji during hislife time their name is mentioned .and how can you prove they are wrong ? when you andotherlike you you got to to have a blind faith fordikshas to work. as i told that in this type ofcertain percentage always get result so assuming bysyroke of luck or his destiny he get result surly hewill tell so on.but what about majority they willloose money.to-day i came across and i am sure you must havecame across some one was claiming he asked poojamaterial of kali instead he got laxmi sadhna materialand he dont know how to do sadhna even when i bought sadhana material mala had 101 instead 108this is afterall bussiness so all thsers thinghappened every transaction is on chits not onreceipt and in case receipt is issued is not of thesame amount. i dont too much sanskrit to give youlong discourse to prove my point .they only mentioneddeciple must follow and what guru says my friend weare in differrent times those guru of the olden ifnot impossible but difficult to find now every thingis money some time for publicity they may do something if you keep on defeding i will keep on writingthis way i may be able to chage some mind so from dontwrite or protect or accuse nari khemlani </post?protectID=091166091009221125184154001140006089136158196219183121152006048205198057> Sat Jun 21, 2003 1:21 am dikshasthis is to inform all those who thinks by taking three present shrimali they will aceive what theywant please dont waist your hard earned money afcourse some few people may get result but majorityno.the system itself is psycalogical game samedakshinas you can get free of charge from bhopal fromone of desciple of gurudev narayandutt shrimali--- nari khemlani </post?protectID=091166091009221125184154001140006089136158196219183121152006048205198057> wrote:> > mr mitlesh kumar ,i must have touched your sensitive> spot if i have to have faith and 10 percent i am> not> challenging i have gone through it surly you must> be> one of shiver organizer i have already lost money i> am> not as clever as you to gain some more money you are> quoting words what krishina said but i am saying> mind is not 100 percent filled with faith or doubt> and> if you get right mantra or suggestion from right > person it will otherwise all is words whwre too> much> money is involved where about 85 percent is waisted> if> any body is worth the nature will not to give > result> for that you dont need middle man > > --- nari khemlani </post?protectID=091166091009221125184154001140006089136158196219183121152006048205198057> wrote:> > > > whenever you pay any money for some it must work> > ther> > is need of faith etc in case if you are one of> the> > people who raise or help in shivar then i> understant> > .> > kunti when first received the mantra she had no> > faith > > but inspite of the karan was mantr given by right> > person will work even if you dont beieve in it > any> > way whatever i have written i still repeat .can> give> > any gurantee that diksha will work given by> > trimurtior> > you will refund idare you> > --- nari khemlani </post?protectID=091166091009221125184154001140006089136158196219183121152006048205198057>> wrote:> > > mr.parkash pandey,> > > you have asked me how much i know about gurdev > > and> > > trimurti gurdev. i am very happy you are one of> > > their> > > blind follower may god bless you i dont know and> > > never> > > had seen poojay gurudev naryan dutt shrimali on> > > whose> > > reputation trimurti guru are living and making> > > moneymat they make more i only know 2 from> three> > i> > > took diksha from arvind and the one in jodhpur> the> > > one> > > in delhi i have not seen now you are taking> faith> > > do> > > you know what is meaning of faith faith means> > > beliving some blindly and keep on it is good> as> > > you> > > keep on saying every day in every way i am> getting> > > better and better one day your subconcious mind> > will> > > accept the masseage and start working on it > > > subconcious mind dont argue it just obey there> > > some> > > people who are very re3ceptive the words go> > straight> > > to inner mind in that case whatever happens it> is> > > because of their mind .diksha means energy> given> > by> > > right person will work whether you beilieve it> or> > > not.beside that i hope you must have read some> > books> > > by poojay guru n.shrimali according to him the> > > mantra> > > and diety can only work if they are compatible> > with> > > the person who reciting it and have given some> > way > > > to find out which is compatible.i went bombay to> > get> > > diksha as i was doing financialy paid about 4 to> 5> > > thousand rupees and about 4000rs for tavis and> 500> > > rs> > > for guru mantra. now there were 40 or more> people> > > waiting to get diksha and then you go out side> > whoi> > > is> > > already surounded with many people and it seems> > he> > > he> > > knows few mantra for same purpose he will any> > one> > > which comes to his mind before all the people > he> > > had> > > no time to see whether one can prononce> correctly> > or> > > whether he is wring it correctly he will do this> > > mantra 3 malas every day for 20 days for do you> > > think> > > for just reaptring 20 days 2 or 3 malas your> bad> > > luck> > > will go away dont kid your selves and dont give> > > suggestion to any body to take diksh until you> are> > > ready to re4fund amount involved you seem to be> > > unaware there are huge money involved.you go to> > > doctor> > > doctor will take medicine and dont eat this or> > that> > > you go take diksh they have no time to ask> whether> > > you> > > eat meat or drik alchol at least one of deciple> of> > > poojay guruved n.shrimali say clearlt if you > are> > > meat> > > eater are drink alchol the diksha will not work> > > trimurti they dont tell you any thing.> personally> > > > > i> > > once again say that i believe in mantra and> diksha> > > > > and if it is given by sidha guru it will work as> > it> > > happened with kunti in mahabharat.Jay GurudevYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2003 Report Share Posted June 26, 2003 Dear Prakash Jee, Jay Gurudev!! you will understand if you go through his mails. i dont think you have gone through nari's mail properly. if you had .. then you wouldn't have sent this mail. i respect your suggestions but the way he was behaving .... your endorsement his views is really regrettable. that person is not worth discussing anything.. he is lying when he says that he have belief in gurudev... he is in different league. The relation of guru and sishya is not involving give and take. its something else. I hope sense prevails to all the guru bhais who sympathize or empathize nari. i was really overwhelmed by the mails of guru bhais dinesh sharma and ashish sharma. if their mails doen't clear his doubts then nothing can. regards Mithilesh --- Prakash <vishwadev wrote: > > - > Prakash > > Thursday, June 26, 2003 9:47 PM > Re: re: nari khemlani > > > hI all > > I think someone is making a complaint based on his > personal experience with the Trimuti. He has said > that he respect Sri Gurudev. But what i don't > understand, why everyone is jumping on him. He said > about the experinces he had, so the Siddhashram > administration must check out and investigate if his > concerns are genuine. As per his saying the Diksha > giving procedure is somewhat "mechanical" whereby > aspirant saddhak may not have understood the mantra > correctly. It is normal concern that if someone is > paying for something then he ought to receive the > money worth. and now the cases where the wrong > sadhna material has been delivered, beads missing in > the rosary etc > > Improvement has no limit - so maybe there is room > for improvement in the way the process goes at the > Siddhashram. > > Seeing this situation i remember the quote: "much > more blood has been shed in the name of love than > hatred" and much of the fightings nowadays are done > in the name of God and religious belief than > anything else. Let's not make this group platform > become a battlefield. > > My mail is not targeted to anyone specific so please > don't start jumping on me this time. It's only my > views though i have had no personal experience with > the Siddhashram. > > With all my respect to Gurudev, due to the grace of > whom this platform exists today. > > Thanks > > Regards, > Prakash > - > arvind1_khairthal > > Wednesday, June 25, 2003 1:02 PM > re: nari khemlani > > > Jai Gurudev ji; > Hello! nari khemlani > This disscussion Group ISSPLIST is Exclusively > Devoted to > Poojya GURUDEV DR.NARAYAN DUTT SHRIMALI JI > & TRIMURTI GURUDEV ji.if you are not devoted > towards > trimurti gurudevji leave this disscussion Group > at once, > you do not have any compulsion . > Becauase only devoted disciple can get something > from > guruji(tri murti).The life is yours & loss is > yours please do > not waste your time in these contradictory issues > because > Gurudevji SWAMI NIKHILESHWARANANDJI are behind > all the dikshas ;sadhana ,shivir programms > etc.organised by > international siddhashram sadhak pariwar.There is > no question of misunderstanding . > > arvindkkr > > > > > > > nari khemlani > [narikhemlani] > Wednesday, June 25, 2003 6:25 AM > > Re: BEWARE TAKING DIKSHA FROM > OTHER SOURCE > if you people are very sure why dont you say > publically that whosoever takes diksha from > trimurti > and did not get result as in my case you will pay > back money . > i want to make very very very clear i am not > talking > about poojay gurdev narayan datt shrimali i had a > oppotunity to meet him during his life time in > fact i > have complete faith faith comes from experiance > with > the particular sadhanas etc. > the people who gave free diksha are none but > guruji > deciple even in one of books by guruji during > his > life time their name is mentioned . > and how can you prove they are wrong ? when you > and > otherlike you you got to to have a blind faith > for > dikshas to work. as i told that in this type of > certain percentage always get result so assuming > by > syroke of luck or his destiny he get result surly > he > will tell so on.but what about majority they will > loose money. > to-day i came across and i am sure you must have > came across some one was claiming he asked > pooja > material of kali instead he got laxmi sadhna > material > and he dont know how to do sadhna even when i > bought > sadhana material mala had 101 instead 108 > this is afterall bussiness so all thsers thing > happened every transaction is on chits not on > receipt and in case receipt is issued is not of > the > same amount. i dont too much sanskrit to give you > long discourse to prove my point .they only > mentioned > > deciple must follow and what guru says my friend > we > are in differrent times those guru of the olden > if > not impossible but difficult to find now every > thing > is money some time for publicity they may do some > thing if you keep on defeding i will keep on > writing > this way i may be able to chage some mind so from > dont > write or protect or accuse > > > > nari khemlani > </post? > > protectID=091166091009221125184154001140006089136158196219183121152006 > 048205198057> > Sat Jun 21, 2003 1:21 am > dikshas > this is to inform all those who thinks by taking > three present shrimali they will aceive what they > want please dont waist your hard earned money > afcourse some few people may get result but > majority > no.the system itself is psycalogical game same > dakshinas you can get free of charge from bhopal > from > one of desciple of gurudev narayandutt shrimali > --- nari khemlani > </post? > > protectID=091166091009221125184154001140006089136158196219183121152006 > 048205198057> wrote: > > > > mr mitlesh kumar ,i must have touched your > sensitive > > spot if i have to have faith and 10 percent i am > > not > > challenging i have gone through it surly you > must > > be > > one of shiver organizer i have already lost > money i > > am > > not as clever as you to gain some more money you > are > > quoting words what krishina said but i am saying > > mind is not 100 percent filled with faith or > doubt > > and > > if you get right mantra or suggestion from right > > > person it will otherwise all is words whwre too > > much > > money is involved where about 85 percent is > waisted > > if > > any body is worth the nature will not to give > > result > > for that you dont need middle man > > > > > --- nari khemlani > </post? > > protectID=091166091009221125184154001140006089136158196219183121152006 > 048205198057> wrote: > > > > > > whenever you pay any money for some it must > work > > > ther > > > is need of faith etc in case if you are one of > > the > > > people who raise or help in shivar then i > > understant > > > . > > > kunti when first received the mantra she had > no > > > faith > > > but inspite of the karan was mantr given by > right > > > person will work even if you dont beieve in it > > > any > > > way whatever i have written i still repeat > .can > > give > > > any gurantee that diksha will work given by > > > trimurtior > > > you will refund idare you > > > > --- nari khemlani > </post? > > protectID=091166091009221125184154001140006089136158196219183121152006 > 048205198057> > > wrote: > > > > mr.parkash pandey, > > > > you have asked me how much i know about > gurdev > > > and > > > > trimurti gurdev. i am very happy you are one > of > > > > their > > > > blind follower may god bless you i dont know > and > > > > never > > > > had seen poojay gurudev naryan dutt shrimali > on > > > > whose > > > > reputation trimurti guru are living and > making > > > > moneymat they make more i only know 2 from > > three > > > i > > > > took diksha from arvind and the one in > jodhpur > > the > > > > one > > > > in delhi i have not seen now you are taking > > faith > > > > do > > > > you know what is meaning of faith faith > means > > > > beliving some blindly and keep on it is good > > as > > > > you > > > > keep on saying every day in every way i am > > getting > > > > better and better one day your subconcious > mind > > > will > > > > accept the masseage and start working on it > > > > subconcious mind dont argue it just obey > there > > > > some > > > > people who are very re3ceptive the words go > > > straight > > > > to inner mind in that case whatever happens > it > > is > > > > because of their mind .diksha means energy > > given > > > by > > > > right person will work whether you beilieve > it > > or > > > > not.beside that i hope you must have read > some > > > books > > > > by poojay guru n.shrimali according to him > the > > > > mantra > > > > and diety can only work if they are > compatible > > > with > > > > the person who reciting it and have given > some > > > way > > > > to find out which is compatible.i went > bombay to > > > get > > > > diksha as i was doing financialy paid about > 4 to > > 5 > > > > thousand rupees and about 4000rs for tavis > and > > 500 > > > > rs > > > > for guru mantra. now there were 40 or more > > people > > > > waiting to get diksha and then you go out > side > > > whoi > > > > is > > > > already surounded with many people and it > seems > > > he > > > > he > > > > knows few mantra for same purpose he will > any > > > one > > > > which comes to his mind before all the > people > > he > > > > had > > > > no time to see whether one can prononce > > correctly > > > or > > > > whether he is wring it correctly he will do > this > > > > mantra 3 malas every day for 20 days for do > you > > > > think > > > > for just reaptring 20 days 2 or 3 malas your > > bad > > > > luck > > > > will go away dont kid your selves and dont > give > > > > suggestion to any body to take diksh until > you > > are > > > > ready to re4fund amount involved you seem to > be > > > > unaware there are huge money involved.you go > to > > > > doctor > > > > doctor will take medicine and dont eat this > or > > > that > > > > you go take diksh they have no time to ask > > whether > > > > you > > > > eat meat or drik alchol at least one of > deciple > > of > > > > poojay guruved n.shrimali say clearlt if you > > > are > > > > meat > > > > eater are drink alchol the diksha will not > work > > > > trimurti they dont tell you any thing. > > personally > > > > > > > i > > > > once again say that i believe in mantra and > > diksha > > > > > > > and if it is given by sidha guru it will > work as > > > it > > > > happened with kunti in mahabharat. > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > Jay Gurudev > > > > > > > Terms of Service. > > SBC DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc. 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Guest guest Posted June 27, 2003 Report Share Posted June 27, 2003 Dear Prakash, I completely agree with Mithilesh. His attitude has not been that of a student. I agree that mistakes happen and things might need to improve in sending sadhana samagri. Whenever a mistake has happened Gurudham people have corrected it and if in some case they haven't then they should. Once my draft got misplaced at Gurudham. I called them they took the details and found it. >It is normal concern that if someone is > paying for something then he ought to receive the > money worth. Can dikshaas like "Kundalini Jaagran Diksha" be ever valued. Is 3000/- its worth. Its invaluable, only a kundalini awakened person can understand that. Spiritual Knowledge can never be valued. Is 3000/- the value of Mahalakshmi Dikshaa ? If he thinks Gurudev's sons are decieving people then he has every right to prove them wrong. Gurudev himself has said that he will make his disciples so that no False Guru can stand before them. But Nari Khemlani has to do that in the right way. Attitude is what makes the difference. Anurag Mithilesh Kumar Das [mithilesh_] Friday, June 27, 2003 2:46 AM Re: Fw: re: nari khemlani Dear Prakash Jee, Jay Gurudev!! you will understand if you go through his mails. i dont think you have gone through nari's mail properly. if you had .. then you wouldn't have sent this mail. i respect your suggestions but the way he was behaving .... your endorsement his views is really regrettable. that person is not worth discussing anything.. he is lying when he says that he have belief in gurudev... he is in different league. The relation of guru and sishya is not involving give and take. its something else. I hope sense prevails to all the guru bhais who sympathize or empathize nari. i was really overwhelmed by the mails of guru bhais dinesh sharma and ashish sharma. if their mails doen't clear his doubts then nothing can. regards Mithilesh --- Prakash <vishwadev wrote: > > - > Prakash > > Thursday, June 26, 2003 9:47 PM > Re: re: nari khemlani > > > hI all > > I think someone is making a complaint based on his > personal experience with the Trimuti. He has said > that he respect Sri Gurudev. But what i don't > understand, why everyone is jumping on him. He said > about the experinces he had, so the Siddhashram > administration must check out and investigate if his > concerns are genuine. As per his saying the Diksha > giving procedure is somewhat "mechanical" whereby > aspirant saddhak may not have understood the mantra > correctly. It is normal concern that if someone is > paying for something then he ought to receive the > money worth. and now the cases where the wrong > sadhna material has been delivered, beads missing in > the rosary etc > > Improvement has no limit - so maybe there is room > for improvement in the way the process goes at the > Siddhashram. > > Seeing this situation i remember the quote: "much > more blood has been shed in the name of love than > hatred" and much of the fightings nowadays are done > in the name of God and religious belief than > anything else. Let's not make this group platform > become a battlefield. > > My mail is not targeted to anyone specific so please > don't start jumping on me this time. It's only my > views though i have had no personal experience with > the Siddhashram. > > With all my respect to Gurudev, due to the grace of > whom this platform exists today. > > Thanks > > Regards, > Prakash > - > arvind1_khairthal > > Wednesday, June 25, 2003 1:02 PM > re: nari khemlani > > > Jai Gurudev ji; > Hello! nari khemlani > This disscussion Group ISSPLIST is Exclusively > Devoted to > Poojya GURUDEV DR.NARAYAN DUTT SHRIMALI JI > & TRIMURTI GURUDEV ji.if you are not devoted > towards > trimurti gurudevji leave this disscussion Group > at once, > you do not have any compulsion . > Becauase only devoted disciple can get something > from > guruji(tri murti).The life is yours & loss is > yours please do > not waste your time in these contradictory issues > because > Gurudevji SWAMI NIKHILESHWARANANDJI are behind > all the dikshas ;sadhana ,shivir programms > etc.organised by > international siddhashram sadhak pariwar.There is > no question of misunderstanding . > > arvindkkr > > > > > > > nari khemlani > [narikhemlani] > Wednesday, June 25, 2003 6:25 AM > > Re: BEWARE TAKING DIKSHA FROM > OTHER SOURCE > if you people are very sure why dont you say > publically that whosoever takes diksha from > trimurti > and did not get result as in my case you will pay > back money . > i want to make very very very clear i am not > talking > about poojay gurdev narayan datt shrimali i had a > oppotunity to meet him during his life time in > fact i > have complete faith faith comes from experiance > with > the particular sadhanas etc. > the people who gave free diksha are none but > guruji > deciple even in one of books by guruji during > his > life time their name is mentioned . > and how can you prove they are wrong ? when you > and > otherlike you you got to to have a blind faith > for > dikshas to work. as i told that in this type of > certain percentage always get result so assuming > by > syroke of luck or his destiny he get result surly > he > will tell so on.but what about majority they will > loose money. > to-day i came across and i am sure you must have > came across some one was claiming he asked > pooja > material of kali instead he got laxmi sadhna > material > and he dont know how to do sadhna even when i > bought > sadhana material mala had 101 instead 108 > this is afterall bussiness so all thsers thing > happened every transaction is on chits not on > receipt and in case receipt is issued is not of > the > same amount. i dont too much sanskrit to give you > long discourse to prove my point .they only > mentioned > > deciple must follow and what guru says my friend > we > are in differrent times those guru of the olden > if > not impossible but difficult to find now every > thing > is money some time for publicity they may do some > thing if you keep on defeding i will keep on > writing > this way i may be able to chage some mind so from > dont > write or protect or accuse > > > > nari khemlani > </post? > > protectID=091166091009221125184154001140006089136158196219183121152006 > 048205198057> > Sat Jun 21, 2003 1:21 am > dikshas > this is to inform all those who thinks by taking > three present shrimali they will aceive what they > want please dont waist your hard earned money > afcourse some few people may get result but > majority > no.the system itself is psycalogical game same > dakshinas you can get free of charge from bhopal > from > one of desciple of gurudev narayandutt shrimali > --- nari khemlani > </post? > > protectID=091166091009221125184154001140006089136158196219183121152006 > 048205198057> wrote: > > > > mr mitlesh kumar ,i must have touched your > sensitive > > spot if i have to have faith and 10 percent i am > > not > > challenging i have gone through it surly you > must > > be > > one of shiver organizer i have already lost > money i > > am > > not as clever as you to gain some more money you > are > > quoting words what krishina said but i am saying > > mind is not 100 percent filled with faith or > doubt > > and > > if you get right mantra or suggestion from right > > > person it will otherwise all is words whwre too > > much > > money is involved where about 85 percent is > waisted > > if > > any body is worth the nature will not to give > > result > > for that you dont need middle man > > > > > --- nari khemlani > </post? > > protectID=091166091009221125184154001140006089136158196219183121152006 > 048205198057> wrote: > > > > > > whenever you pay any money for some it must > work > > > ther > > > is need of faith etc in case if you are one of > > the > > > people who raise or help in shivar then i > > understant > > > . > > > kunti when first received the mantra she had > no > > > faith > > > but inspite of the karan was mantr given by > right > > > person will work even if you dont beieve in it > > > any > > > way whatever i have written i still repeat > .can > > give > > > any gurantee that diksha will work given by > > > trimurtior > > > you will refund idare you > > > > --- nari khemlani > </post? > > protectID=091166091009221125184154001140006089136158196219183121152006 > 048205198057> > > wrote: > > > > mr.parkash pandey, > > > > you have asked me how much i know about > gurdev > > > and > > > > trimurti gurdev. i am very happy you are one > of > > > > their > > > > blind follower may god bless you i dont know > and > > > > never > > > > had seen poojay gurudev naryan dutt shrimali > on > > > > whose > > > > reputation trimurti guru are living and > making > > > > moneymat they make more i only know 2 from > > three > > > i > > > > took diksha from arvind and the one in > jodhpur > > the > > > > one > > > > in delhi i have not seen now you are taking > > faith > > > > do > > > > you know what is meaning of faith faith > means > > > > beliving some blindly and keep on it is good > > as > > > > you > > > > keep on saying every day in every way i am > > getting > > > > better and better one day your subconcious > mind > > > will > > > > accept the masseage and start working on it > > > > subconcious mind dont argue it just obey > there > > > > some > > > > people who are very re3ceptive the words go > > > straight > > > > to inner mind in that case whatever happens > it > > is > > > > because of their mind .diksha means energy > > given > > > by > > > > right person will work whether you beilieve > it > > or > > > > not.beside that i hope you must have read > some > > > books > > > > by poojay guru n.shrimali according to him > the > > > > mantra > > > > and diety can only work if they are > compatible > > > with > > > > the person who reciting it and have given > some > > > way > > > > to find out which is compatible.i went > bombay to > > > get > > > > diksha as i was doing financialy paid about > 4 to > > 5 > > > > thousand rupees and about 4000rs for tavis > and > > 500 > > > > rs > > > > for guru mantra. now there were 40 or more > > people > > > > waiting to get diksha and then you go out > side > > > whoi > > > > is > > > > already surounded with many people and it > seems > > > he > > > > he > > > > knows few mantra for same purpose he will > any > > > one > > > > which comes to his mind before all the > people > > he > > > > had > > > > no time to see whether one can prononce > > correctly > > > or > > > > whether he is wring it correctly he will do > this > > > > mantra 3 malas every day for 20 days for do > you > > > > think > > > > for just reaptring 20 days 2 or 3 malas your > > bad > > > > luck > > > > will go away dont kid your selves and dont > give > > > > suggestion to any body to take diksh until > you > > are > > > > ready to re4fund amount involved you seem to > be > > > > unaware there are huge money involved.you go > to > > > > doctor > > > > doctor will take medicine and dont eat this > or > > > that > > > > you go take diksh they have no time to ask > > whether > > > > you > > > > eat meat or drik alchol at least one of > deciple > > of > > > > poojay guruved n.shrimali say clearlt if you > > > are > > > > meat > > > > eater are drink alchol the diksha will not > work > > > > trimurti they dont tell you any thing. > > personally > > > > > > > i > > > > once again say that i believe in mantra and > > diksha > > > > > > > and if it is given by sidha guru it will > work as > > > it > > > > happened with kunti in mahabharat. > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > Jay Gurudev > > > > > > > Terms of Service. > > SBC DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc. 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Guest guest Posted June 27, 2003 Report Share Posted June 27, 2003 Dear Mr Anurag, I totally agree with you that not everything can be measured in terms of rupees and i respect your views. I was only trying to calm everyone thus avoiding negative impact on the platform and its members. I would like to point out that i am not siding with anyone but just putting things the way i understood. Maybe i should have shut up and watch cinema. Note taken! Kind Regards, Prakash - Goel, Anurag (CORP, GEITC) Friday, June 27, 2003 1:15 PM RE: Fw: re: nari khemlani Dear Prakash, I completely agree with Mithilesh. His attitude has notbeen that of a student. I agree that mistakes happen and things mightneed to improve in sending sadhana samagri. Whenever a mistake hashappened Gurudham people have corrected it and if in some case theyhaven't then they should. Once my draft got misplaced at Gurudham. Icalled them they took the details and found it.>It is normal concern that if someone is> paying for something then he ought to receive the> money worth.Can dikshaas like "Kundalini Jaagran Diksha" be ever valued. Is 3000/-its worth. Its invaluable, only a kundalini awakened person canunderstand that.Spiritual Knowledge can never be valued. Is 3000/- the value ofMahalakshmi Dikshaa ?If he thinks Gurudev's sons are decieving people then he has every rightto prove them wrong. Gurudev himself has said that he will make hisdisciples so that no False Guru can stand before them. But Nari Khemlanihas to do that in the right way. Attitude is what makes the difference.AnuragMithilesh Kumar Das [mithilesh_das ]Friday, June 27, 2003 2:46 AMTo: Subject: Re: Fw: re: nari khemlaniDear Prakash Jee,Jay Gurudev!!you will understand if you go through his mails. idont think you have gone through nari's mail properly.if you had .. then you wouldn't have sent this mail. irespect your suggestions but the way he was behaving... your endorsement his views is really regrettable.that person is not worth discussing anything.. he islying when he says that he have belief in gurudev...he is in different league. The relation of guru andsishya is not involving give and take. its somethingelse. I hope sense prevails to all the guru bhais whosympathize or empathize nari. i was reallyoverwhelmed by the mails of guru bhais dinesh sharmaand ashish sharma. if their mails doen't clear hisdoubts then nothing can. regardsMithilesh--- Prakash <vishwadev (AT) intnet (DOT) mu> wrote:> > - > Prakash > To: > Thursday, June 26, 2003 9:47 PM> Re: re: nari khemlani> > > hI all> > I think someone is making a complaint based on his> personal experience with the Trimuti. He has said> that he respect Sri Gurudev. But what i don't> understand, why everyone is jumping on him. He said> about the experinces he had, so the Siddhashram> administration must check out and investigate if his> concerns are genuine. As per his saying the Diksha> giving procedure is somewhat "mechanical" whereby> aspirant saddhak may not have understood the mantra> correctly. It is normal concern that if someone is> paying for something then he ought to receive the> money worth. and now the cases where the wrong> sadhna material has been delivered, beads missing in> the rosary etc> > Improvement has no limit - so maybe there is room> for improvement in the way the process goes at the> Siddhashram.> > Seeing this situation i remember the quote: "much> more blood has been shed in the name of love than> hatred" and much of the fightings nowadays are done> in the name of God and religious belief than> anything else. Let's not make this group platform> become a battlefield.> > My mail is not targeted to anyone specific so please> don't start jumping on me this time. It's only my> views though i have had no personal experience with> the Siddhashram.> > With all my respect to Gurudev, due to the grace of> whom this platform exists today.> > Thanks> > Regards, > Prakash> - > arvind1_khairthal > > Wednesday, June 25, 2003 1:02 PM> re: nari khemlani> > > Jai Gurudev ji;> Hello! nari khemlani > This disscussion Group ISSPLIST is Exclusively > Devoted to> Poojya GURUDEV DR.NARAYAN DUTT SHRIMALI JI> & TRIMURTI GURUDEV ji.if you are not devoted> towards> trimurti gurudevji leave this disscussion Group> at once,> you do not have any compulsion .> Becauase only devoted disciple can get something> from> guruji(tri murti).The life is yours & loss is> yours please do> not waste your time in these contradictory issues> because > Gurudevji SWAMI NIKHILESHWARANANDJI are behind > all the dikshas ;sadhana ,shivir programms> etc.organised by > international siddhashram sadhak pariwar.There is> no question of misunderstanding .> > arvindkkr (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > > > > > nari khemlani> [narikhemlani (AT) (DOT) co.in] > Wednesday, June 25, 2003 6:25 AM> > Re: BEWARE TAKING DIKSHA FROM> OTHER SOURCE> if you people are very sure why dont you say> publically that whosoever takes diksha from> trimurti> and did not get result as in my case you will pay> back money .> i want to make very very very clear i am not> talking> about poojay gurdev narayan datt shrimali i had a> oppotunity to meet him during his life time in> fact i> have complete faith faith comes from experiance > with > the particular sadhanas etc.> the people who gave free diksha are none but> guruji> deciple even in one of books by guruji during> his> life time their name is mentioned .> and how can you prove they are wrong ? when you> and> otherlike you you got to to have a blind faith > for> dikshas to work. as i told that in this type of> certain percentage always get result so assuming> by> syroke of luck or his destiny he get result surly> he> will tell so on.but what about majority they will> loose money.> to-day i came across and i am sure you must have> came across some one was claiming he asked > pooja> material of kali instead he got laxmi sadhna> material> and he dont know how to do sadhna even when i> bought > sadhana material mala had 101 instead 108> this is afterall bussiness so all thsers thing> happened every transaction is on chits not on> receipt and in case receipt is issued is not of> the> same amount. i dont too much sanskrit to give you> long discourse to prove my point .they only> mentioned> > deciple must follow and what guru says my friend> we> are in differrent times those guru of the olden> if> not impossible but difficult to find now every> thing> is money some time for publicity they may do some> thing if you keep on defeding i will keep on> writing> this way i may be able to chage some mind so from> dont> write or protect or accuse > > > > nari khemlani> </post?> >protectID=091166091009221125184154001140006089136158196219183121152006> 048205198057> > Sat Jun 21, 2003 1:21 am> dikshas> this is to inform all those who thinks by taking > three present shrimali they will aceive what they> want please dont waist your hard earned money > afcourse some few people may get result but> majority> no.the system itself is psycalogical game same> dakshinas you can get free of charge from bhopal> from> one of desciple of gurudev narayandutt shrimali> --- nari khemlani> </post?> >protectID=091166091009221125184154001140006089136158196219183121152006> 048205198057> wrote:> > > > mr mitlesh kumar ,i must have touched your> sensitive> > spot if i have to have faith and 10 percent i am> > not> > challenging i have gone through it surly you> must> > be> > one of shiver organizer i have already lost> money i> > am> > not as clever as you to gain some more money you> are> > quoting words what krishina said but i am saying> > mind is not 100 percent filled with faith or> doubt> > and> > if you get right mantra or suggestion from right> > > person it will otherwise all is words whwre too> > much> > money is involved where about 85 percent is> waisted> > if> > any body is worth the nature will not to give > > result> > for that you dont need middle man > > > > > --- nari khemlani> </post?> >protectID=091166091009221125184154001140006089136158196219183121152006> 048205198057> wrote:> > > > > > whenever you pay any money for some it must> work> > > ther> > > is need of faith etc in case if you are one of> > the> > > people who raise or help in shivar then i> > understant> > > .> > > kunti when first received the mantra she had> no> > > faith > > > but inspite of the karan was mantr given by> right> > > person will work even if you dont beieve in it> > > any> > > way whatever i have written i still repeat> .can> > give> > > any gurantee that diksha will work given by> > > trimurtior> > > you will refund idare you> > > > --- nari khemlani> </post?> >protectID=091166091009221125184154001140006089136158196219183121152006> 048205198057>> > wrote:> > > > mr.parkash pandey,> > > > you have asked me how much i know about> gurdev > > > and> > > > trimurti gurdev. i am very happy you are one> of> > > > their> > > > blind follower may god bless you i dont know> and> > > > never> > > > had seen poojay gurudev naryan dutt shrimali> on> > > > whose> > > > reputation trimurti guru are living and> making> > > > moneymat they make more i only know 2 from> > three> > > i> > > > took diksha from arvind and the one in> jodhpur> > the> > > > one> > > > in delhi i have not seen now you are taking> > faith> > > > do> > > > you know what is meaning of faith faith> means> > > > beliving some blindly and keep on it is good> > as> > > > you> > > > keep on saying every day in every way i am> > getting> > > > better and better one day your subconcious> mind> > > will> > > > accept the masseage and start working on it > > > > subconcious mind dont argue it just obey> there> > > > some> > > > people who are very re3ceptive the words go> > > straight> > > > to inner mind in that case whatever happens> it> > is> > > > because of their mind .diksha means energy> > given> > > by> > > > right person will work whether you beilieve> it> > or> > > > not.beside that i hope you must have read> some> > > books> > > > by poojay guru n.shrimali according to him> the> > > > mantra> > > > and diety can only work if they are> compatible> > > with> > > > the person who reciting it and have given> some> > > way > > > > to find out which is compatible.i went> bombay to> > > get> > > > diksha as i was doing financialy paid about> 4 to> > 5> > > > thousand rupees and about 4000rs for tavis> and> > 500> > > > rs> > > > for guru mantra. now there were 40 or more> > people> > > > waiting to get diksha and then you go out> side> > > whoi> > > > is> > > > already surounded with many people and it> seems> > > he> > > > he> > > > knows few mantra for same purpose he will> any> > > one> > > > which comes to his mind before all the> people > > he> > > > had> > > > no time to see whether one can prononce> > correctly> > > or> > > > whether he is wring it correctly he will do> this> > > > mantra 3 malas every day for 20 days for do> you> > > > think> > > > for just reaptring 20 days 2 or 3 malas your> > bad> > > > luck> > > > will go away dont kid your selves and dont> give> > > > suggestion to any body to take diksh until> you> > are> > > > ready to re4fund amount involved you seem to> be> > > > unaware there are huge money involved.you go> to> > > > doctor> > > > doctor will take medicine and dont eat this> or> > > that> > > > you go take diksh they have no time to ask> > whether> > > > you> > > > eat meat or drik alchol at least one of> deciple> > of> > > > poojay guruved n.shrimali say clearlt if you> > > are> > > > meat> > > > eater are drink alchol the diksha will not> work> > > > trimurti they dont tell you any thing.> > personally> > > > > > > i> > > > once again say that i believe in mantra and> > diksha> > > > > > > and if it is given by sidha guru it will> work as> > > it> > > > happened with kunti in mahabharat.> > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > Jay Gurudev> > > > > > > Terms of Service. > > SBC DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!http://sbc.Jay GurudevYour use of is subject to Jay GurudevYour use of Groups is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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