No mudslinging please

July 9, 2003

, "NIKHIL KESHAV" <nikhilkeshav@h...>

wrote:

>

Jai Gurudev

Dear Brothers and sisters

It is really distressing to see mud slinging mails when we are

supposed to clarify the doubts of each other.

On Kajol, only point on which we are roused suspicions is

because in one of the mails she has insulted the Trimurthis. Any

human being could spiritually improve with the association of a

SadGuru. And no SadGuru tells you to insult other Gurus. Again we

have clear message from Bade Gurudev that only Trimurtis are given

permission to grant Diksha and not any other person who claims to be

Gurudev's disciple. This is why we give warnings to other aspirants.

True, Gurudev's disciples could have powers because they could have

been very sincere devotees, but when they claim they could grant

Diksha, it could be because they want to be in limelight. Definitely

we have other spiritual masters in the Earth who made their position

in a hard way and through hard work. This is all I want to mentionon

this point and I am not insulting anyone.

With Love,

Mahadevan Venkitaraman

July 10, 2003

Jai Gurudev,

Can we please discuss , and achieve something more constructive. We

seem to be spending too much time in analysing various

personalities. Revered Gurudev never wanted us to become mere

devotees (mere bhaktas). I believe that we insult all His teachings

and Dikshas by becoming a devotee. Why are we running after

this "senior" disciple or other. Let us work towards achieving

greatness, obtaining success in Sadhanas. Why do we feel in awe

towards anyone claiming to be a "senior" disciple. Nobody is senior

or junior in the eyes of Gurudev. Everyone is equal. I saw someone

asking "Anil" for mercy in one of previous messages. This is too

disgusting. We did not receive Dikshas to ask someone for mercy.

Others should ask us for mercy.

Guru Poornima is round the corner. Yesterday (9th July) was Shukla

Paksha- Navmi, the actual date (according to Hindu Calender) on

which Poojya Gurudev left for Siddhashram. I was hoping to see some

discussion about which is the best Sadhana for Guru Poornima. Is

discussion about some arbit disciple the only tribute which we can

pay to Him on this anniversary.

I remember, that is every shivir, Sadhaks are asked to refrain from

indulging in petty discussions. Let us rise above such stuff. Almost

everyone here has taken some or other Dikshas from Revered gurudev.

Leet us promise ourselves that we will not , and we will not let

anyone do mudslinging on Revered Gurudev & Revered Trimurty

Gurudev's names. Let us stop discussing about any arbit personality,

and let us discuss about constructive things. Stuff like-

a. significance of Amrit kaal on achieving result in Sadhanas.

b. Which book/mag contains xyz Sadhana

c. How is Nyaas done?

d. Will performing xyz Anushtaan resolve abc problem?

e. How to remove manglik dosh ?

f. any good ayurvedic preparation?

etc. etc.

As of now, I have a question to ask. There are hundreds of different

Mudras, and they have therapeutic effect in removing ailments &

diseases. Can someone point me towards any book that lists all the

mudras?

Thanks & Regards

Jay Gurudev

, "mahadevanv" <mahadevanv>

wrote:

> , "NIKHIL KESHAV"

<nikhilkeshav@h...>

> wrote:

> >

> Jai Gurudev

> Dear Brothers and sisters

> It is really distressing to see mud slinging mails when we

are

> supposed to clarify the doubts of each other.

> On Kajol, only point on which we are roused suspicions is

> because in one of the mails she has insulted the Trimurthis. Any

> human being could spiritually improve with the association of a

> SadGuru. And no SadGuru tells you to insult other Gurus. Again we

> have clear message from Bade Gurudev that only Trimurtis are given

> permission to grant Diksha and not any other person who claims to

be

> Gurudev's disciple. This is why we give warnings to other

aspirants.

> True, Gurudev's disciples could have powers because they could

have

> been very sincere devotees, but when they claim they could grant

> Diksha, it could be because they want to be in limelight.

Definitely

> we have other spiritual masters in the Earth who made their

position

> in a hard way and through hard work. This is all I want to

mentionon

> this point and I am not insulting anyone.

>

> With Love,

> Mahadevan Venkitaraman

July 10, 2003

Things go out of hand anytime anywhere. So be prepared in every way if you wish

to propogate the cause of someone else who is in anyway deviating from the our

group's basic principle of being a devotee of Gurudev Narayan Dutt Shrimaliji

and trimurti gurudevs. We know that everybody have got good vocabulary of

abusive languange and you may also use it, but that will not be end of it. You

mind and better be prepared for bear the fruits or thorns of whatever you say.

Reason can not win here because of the basic nature of medium through which we

communicate. Therefore it is our duty to move beyond that and use the abilty

given to us by our pojya gurudevs, afterall we have been using it to solve our

worldly problems, why not here? When reason do not work then this will surely

work and results will be there everybody to see.....

Pranam Gurdev

mahadevanv <mahadevanv > wrote:

, "NIKHIL KESHAV" <nikhilkeshav@h...> wrote:>Jai

Gurudev Dear Brothers and sisters It is really distressing to see mud

slinging mails when we are supposed to clarify the doubts of each other.

On Kajol, only point on which we are roused suspicions is because in one of the

mails she has insulted the Trimurthis. Any human being could spiritually improve

with the association of a SadGuru. And no SadGuru tells you to insult other

Gurus. Again we have clear message from Bade Gurudev that only Trimurtis are

given permission to grant Diksha and not any other person who claims to be

Gurudev's disciple. This is why we give warnings to other aspirants. True,

Gurudev's disciples could have powers because they could have been very

sincere devotees, but when they claim they could grant Diksha, it could be

because they want to be in limelight. Definitely we have other spiritual

masters in the Earth who made their position in a hard way and through hard

work. This is all I want to mentionon this point and I am not insulting

anyone.With Love, Mahadevan Venkitaraman

Jay Gurudev

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desi_videshi [desi_videshi ]

Thursday, July 10, 2003 1:07 PMSubject:

Re: No mudslinging pleaseJai Gurudev,Can we please discuss , and

achieve something more constructive. We seem to be spending too much time in

analysing various personalities. Revered Gurudev never wanted us to become mere

devotees (mere bhaktas). I believe that we insult all His teachings and Dikshas

by becoming a devotee. Why are we running after this "senior" disciple or

other. Let us work towards achieving greatness, obtaining success in Sadhanas.

Why do we feel in awe towards anyone claiming to be a "senior" disciple. Nobody

is senior or junior in the eyes of Gurudev. Everyone is equal. I saw someone

asking "Anil" for mercy in one of previous messages. This is too disgusting. We

did not receive Dikshas to ask someone for mercy. Others should ask us for

mercy.Guru Poornima is round the corner. Yesterday (9th July) was Shukla

Paksha- Navmi, the actual date (according to Hindu Calender) on which Poojya

Gurudev left for Siddhashram. I was hoping to see some discussion about which

is the best Sadhana for Guru Poornima. Is discussion about some arbit disciple

the only tribute which we can pay to Him on this anniversary.I remember, that

is every shivir, Sadhaks are asked to refrain from indulging in petty

discussions. Let us rise above such stuff. Almost everyone here has taken some

or other Dikshas from Revered gurudev. Leet us promise ourselves that we will

not , and we will not let anyone do mudslinging on Revered Gurudev & Revered

Trimurty Gurudev's names. Let us stop discussing about any arbit personality,

and let us discuss about constructive things. Stuff like-a. significance of

Amrit kaal on achieving result in Sadhanas.b. Which book/mag contains xyz

Sadhanac. How is Nyaas done?d. Will performing xyz Anushtaan resolve abc

problem?e. How to remove manglik dosh ?f. any good ayurvedic preparation?etc.

etc.As of now, I have a question to ask. There are hundreds of different

Mudras, and they have therapeutic effect in removing ailments & diseases. Can

someone point me towards any book that lists all the mudras?Thanks & RegardsJay

Gurudev , "mahadevanv" <mahadevanv> wrote:>

, "NIKHIL KESHAV" <nikhilkeshav@h...> > wrote:>

>> Jai Gurudev> Dear Brothers and sisters> It is really distressing

to see mud slinging mails when we are > supposed to clarify the doubts of each

other.> On Kajol, only point on which we are roused suspicions is >

because in one of the mails she has insulted the Trimurthis. Any > human being

could spiritually improve with the association of a > SadGuru. And no SadGuru

tells you to insult other Gurus. Again we > have clear message from Bade

Gurudev that only Trimurtis are given > permission to grant Diksha and not any

other person who claims to be > Gurudev's disciple. This is why we give

warnings to other aspirants. > True, Gurudev's disciples could have powers

because they could have > been very sincere devotees, but when they claim they

could grant > Diksha, it could be because they want to be in limelight.

Definitely > we have other spiritual masters in the Earth who made their

position > in a hard way and through hard work. This is all I want to mentionon

> this point and I am not insulting anyone.> > With Love,>

Mahadevan VenkitaramanJay GurudevYour use of is

subject to the

July 10, 2003

July 13.

, "Chander Damodaran"

<cdamodaran@z...> wrote:

> When is Guru poornima?

>

> desi_videshi [desi_videshi]

> Thursday, July 10, 2003 1:07 PM

>

> Re: No mudslinging please

>

> Jai Gurudev,

> Can we please discuss , and achieve something more constructive.

We

> seem to be spending too much time in analysing various

> personalities. Revered Gurudev never wanted us to become mere

> devotees (mere bhaktas). I believe that we insult all His

teachings

> and Dikshas by becoming a devotee. Why are we running after

> this "senior" disciple or other. Let us work towards achieving

> greatness, obtaining success in Sadhanas. Why do we feel in awe

> towards anyone claiming to be a "senior" disciple. Nobody is

senior

> or junior in the eyes of Gurudev. Everyone is equal. I saw someone

> asking "Anil" for mercy in one of previous messages. This is too

> disgusting. We did not receive Dikshas to ask someone for mercy.

> Others should ask us for mercy.

> Guru Poornima is round the corner. Yesterday (9th July) was Shukla

> Paksha- Navmi, the actual date (according to Hindu Calender) on

> which Poojya Gurudev left for Siddhashram. I was hoping to see

some

> discussion about which is the best Sadhana for Guru Poornima. Is

> discussion about some arbit disciple the only tribute which we can

> pay to Him on this anniversary.

> I remember, that is every shivir, Sadhaks are asked to refrain

from

> indulging in petty discussions. Let us rise above such stuff.

Almost

> everyone here has taken some or other Dikshas from Revered

gurudev.

> Leet us promise ourselves that we will not , and we will not let

> anyone do mudslinging on Revered Gurudev & Revered Trimurty

> Gurudev's names. Let us stop discussing about any arbit

personality,

> and let us discuss about constructive things. Stuff like-

> a. significance of Amrit kaal on achieving result in Sadhanas.

> b. Which book/mag contains xyz Sadhana

> c. How is Nyaas done?

> d. Will performing xyz Anushtaan resolve abc problem?

> e. How to remove manglik dosh ?

> f. any good ayurvedic preparation?

>

> etc. etc.

>

> As of now, I have a question to ask. There are hundreds of

different

> Mudras, and they have therapeutic effect in removing ailments &

> diseases. Can someone point me towards any book that lists all the

> mudras?

>

> Thanks & Regards

> Jay Gurudev

>

> , "mahadevanv" <mahadevanv>

> wrote:

> > , "NIKHIL KESHAV"

> <nikhilkeshav@h...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > Jai Gurudev

> > Dear Brothers and sisters

> > It is really distressing to see mud slinging mails when

we

> are

> > supposed to clarify the doubts of each other.

> > On Kajol, only point on which we are roused suspicions is

> > because in one of the mails she has insulted the Trimurthis. Any

> > human being could spiritually improve with the association of a

> > SadGuru. And no SadGuru tells you to insult other Gurus. Again

we

> > have clear message from Bade Gurudev that only Trimurtis are

given

> > permission to grant Diksha and not any other person who claims

to

> be

> > Gurudev's disciple. This is why we give warnings to other

> aspirants.

> > True, Gurudev's disciples could have powers because they could

> have

> > been very sincere devotees, but when they claim they could grant

> > Diksha, it could be because they want to be in limelight.

> Definitely

> > we have other spiritual masters in the Earth who made their

> position

> > in a hard way and through hard work. This is all I want to

> mentionon

> > this point and I am not insulting anyone.

> >

> > With Love,

> > Mahadevan Venkitaraman

>

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Hi desi_videshi ji,

Jay gurudev,

I have some artciles collected from net on mudras which i'm sending with mail as

aan atttachment so that u can go through that.

desi_videshi <desi_videshi > wrote:

Jai Gurudev,Can we please discuss , and achieve something more constructive. We

seem to be spending too much time in analysing various personalities. Revered

Gurudev never wanted us to become mere devotees (mere bhaktas). I believe that

we insult all His teachings and Dikshas by becoming a devotee. Why are we

running after this "senior" disciple or other. Let us work towards achieving

greatness, obtaining success in Sadhanas. Why do we feel in awe towards anyone

claiming to be a "senior" disciple. Nobody is senior or junior in the eyes of

Gurudev. Everyone is equal. I saw someone asking "Anil" for mercy in one of

previous messages. This is too disgusting. We did not receive Dikshas to ask

someone for mercy. Others should ask us for mercy.Guru Poornima is round the

corner. Yesterday (9th July) was Shukla Paksha- Navmi, the

actual date (according to Hindu Calender) on which Poojya Gurudev left for

Siddhashram. I was hoping to see some discussion about which is the best

Sadhana for Guru Poornima. Is discussion about some arbit disciple the only

tribute which we can pay to Him on this anniversary.I remember, that is every

shivir, Sadhaks are asked to refrain from indulging in petty discussions. Let

us rise above such stuff. Almost everyone here has taken some or other Dikshas

from Revered gurudev. Leet us promise ourselves that we will not , and we will

not let anyone do mudslinging on Revered Gurudev & Revered Trimurty Gurudev's

names. Let us stop discussing about any arbit personality, and let us discuss

about constructive things. Stuff like-a. significance of Amrit kaal on

achieving result in Sadhanas.b. Which book/mag contains xyz Sadhanac. How is

Nyaas done?d. Will performing xyz Anushtaan resolve abc problem?e. How to

remove

manglik dosh ?f. any good ayurvedic preparation?etc. etc.As of now, I have a

question to ask. There are hundreds of different Mudras, and they have

therapeutic effect in removing ailments & diseases. Can someone point me

towards any book that lists all the mudras?Thanks & RegardsJay Gurudev --- In

, "mahadevanv" <mahadevanv> wrote:> --- In

, "NIKHIL KESHAV" <nikhilkeshav@h...> > wrote:> >> Jai

Gurudev> Dear Brothers and sisters> It is really distressing to see mud

slinging mails when we are > supposed to clarify the doubts of each other.>

On Kajol, only point on which we are roused suspicions is > because in one of

the mails she has insulted the Trimurthis. Any > human being