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To find this group is something beyond my dreams .I frankly did not

expect sp many people to be doing sadhana and mantra japa.

 

I have a few questions

 

1;; is it necessary to have guru dishka,can we chant any mantra we

want ,after all its gods name?

Hanve any of u got the specified results without guru

initianion?

 

2;; is a rosary compulsary ,can mantras be chanted without it?if

necessary which one?

 

3;;some mantras have to be chanted 1.25 lakh times or 125000 times so

what is the method of keeping count of such huge numbers?

 

 

4:; what is the meaning of and way of reciting and number of reciting

and what r the fruits of

"Om Ayeim Hreem Kleem Chamundayei Vichche"

 

5;; it may be personal question but i would like to know apart from

general benifits we all get

can any one involved in suceesful sadhna give some

example of getting the desired fruit.

how u recited /no. of times and time span of recitation .

also time lag of fulfillment of aim

 

thank you

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1;; is it necessary to have guru dishka,can we chant any mantra we

want ,after all its gods name?

Hanve any of u got the specified results without guru

initianion?

 

|| Jai Sadguru Dutta ||

 

 

"dhatthaathrEya harE krShNa unmatthaanandha dhaayaka |

dhiganbara munirbaala pishaacha jnAna sAgarA ||"

 

"sadhA shiva samAramBhAm shankarAcharya maDhyamam |

asmadhAchArya paryantham vandhE guru paramparA ||"

 

 

In Bharatheeya Sanskrthi, Guru occupies the highest place; infact his

place even above the gods. The word "Guru" itself is very sacred and

has a very deep meaning:

 

1. Guru means one who is heavy (full) with knowledge.

 

2. the word Guru is composed of 2 letters: 'gu' + 'ru'

 

"gu kaarO anDhakaarashca, ru kaarO rannivaarakah"

 

'gu' means ignorance; 'ru' means fire (of knowledge) that removes and

expells ignorance.

 

'ajnaana thimiraanDhasya jnaanaanjana shalaakayaa |

chakShuh unmeelithEna thasmai shree guravE namah ||"

 

[i prostrate to the shree guru who dispelled the darkness of

ignorance by opening my eyes with the needle of knowledge]

 

3. 'gu' means 'guNaatheeth' (attributeless), 'ru'

means 'roopaatheeth' (formless). Hence Guru means the one who is

omnipresent (infinite) and omnscient - the one who is everything and

knows everything. Guru is verily the Supreme Being -

the "Parabrahman".

 

"guruh brahma guruh viShnuh guru dhEvO mahEshwarah |

guruh saakShaath parabrahma thasmai shree guravE namah ||"

 

[ Guru is none other than the divine trinity brahma-viShNu-

mahEshwara. He is verily the Parabrahman. I prostrate to such a shree

guru ]

 

 

Guru is one who is established in the "brahman" [brahma - niShTa].

Guru is master. He is the dispeller of ignorance. He is a realized

soul and he is ever-united with God. He is the embodiment of all

great virtues and noble ideals. Lust, greed, infatuation, arrogance

and jealousy - the six enemies of man ["ariShadvarga"] are totally

converted into love, compassion, benevolence, auspiciousness,

selfless action and forgiveness in him.

 

He is the master of all but still innocent like a child. He is the

compassionate father and benevolent mother of his desciples. He is

the guiding light for the seekers of Truth. He has attained cosmic

consciousness. He knows what is in God's mind and acts accordingly.

He is fearless and always stands for truth and justice. Like the Sun

who impartially gives heat and light to all, the Guru does no

discrimination amongst his pupils. He has realized that the same

divinity shining in him is also present in everything and everyone.

 

 

In the 34th verse of the 4th chapter (jnaanayoga) of the

Bhagavadgeetha, the Lord says thus:

 

"thadhwidDhi praNipaathEna pariprashEna sEvayA |

upadhEkShyanthi thE jnAnam jnAninasthah thathwa dharshinah ||"

 

[Attain this knowledge by all means; if you prostrate yourself at the

feet of the wise, render them all forms of service and question them

with a guileless heart, again and again, those wise seers of truth

will unfold that wisdom to you]

 

The guidance of a guru, a realized soul, is a necessity felt by all

seekers of reality and spiritual progress. As small children, we went

to school and learnt the basics of how to read and write from our

teachers. Till we graduate from the University we seek the assistance

and guidance from our teachers. When the necessity of a teacher is so

important in material matters, then how much more should it be in the

case of spirituality, for the path is very subtle and highly

abstract. The path of life is infested by the thorns of greed, lust,

egoe and ignorance. The thieves of greediness are waiting to steal

the spiritual wealth of an individual. The guru alone knows the

proper way to escape these dangers and reach the other shore, for he

has already reached the other shore and has come, out of compassion,

to take others to the other side of the ocean of "sansara".

 

Spiritual initiation ["dheekSha"] is a necessary factor in the path

of spirituality. During such an initiation, a spiritual power is

transmitted from the guru to the desciple. This power is very subtle

but powerful. It clears doubts, extinguishes confusion, settles the

mind, and the desciple reaches stability and equanimity. He finds his

safety in the benign smile of the guru like the just born baby feels

safe in the warmth of its mother's hug. The guru purifies

understanding. The "chittha - vrtthi"s - the deformities of the

desciple's mind subsides and thus helps him to ascend to higher

realms of consciousness.

 

Santh Tukaraam says, "Guru makes his desciple one like him. Even

though the preperation takes a little time for the guru to enter into

the desciple to make him one like him.". He further says that he

cannot compare the guru to the touchstone ["sparSh-maNi"], which only

turns the metal into gold. The greatness of a guru is that he makes

his desciple one like him, another touchstone.

 

 

 

One has to obtain a mantra always from a living person - the Guru and

not from books. A live candle alone can light up another one so even

a soul alone can touch another soul. The soul can recieve impulses

from another soul, and from nothing else. Had there been no necessity

for a guru, then every Dick and Harry would have become masters of

mantra and knowledge, just by reading books. Groping in darkness, one

can never reach the light. One may become highly informed by studying

various books. But without a Guru, all that knowledge is useless.

 

 

"avidhyAyAmanthare varthamAnAh swayam DheerAh panditham manyamAnAh |

dhandhramyamANAh pariyanthi mooDA anDhEnaiva neeyamanA yaThAnDhAh ||"

 

--- KaTa upaniShad

 

[Fools dwelling in darkness, wise in their own conceit, and puffed up

with vain knowledge, go round and round staggering to and fro, like

blind men led by the blind]

 

In studying books we are deluded into thinking that thereby we are

being spiritually helped; but if we analyze carefully, it is only

the "scholar" in us that derives profit from such studies, and not

our inner spirit.

 

The word "diksha" itself is so beautiful. It is actually comprised of

2 letters: "di" + "kSha". 'di' means "Dhee shakthi" - the

intellectual power. 'kSha' means the one which sharpens. Hence diksha

or initiation is the process wherein the able Guru break opens the

lock of ignorance that has been subdueing the real nature and

potential of the desciple and unravels to him the secrets and

mystries of spirituality by making his desciple introvert.

Ultimately, the desciple realizes the real guru - the real guiding

light, that is within himself:

 

"dheeyathe shiva sAyujyam, kSheeyathe pAsha banDhanam |

aTho dheekShEthi kaThitham bhuDhaih sath shAstra vEdhibhih ||"

 

[The rite or ceremony of diksha destroys all the limiting factors of

the individual self and facilitate his union with Shiva]

 

Thus the first qualification for an upasak (sadhak) is to obtain

diksha from a Guru. It is the Guru who, after testing the desciple's

competence, initiates him into the "upAsana" - the process of

unification of the self with the supreme, by teaching him the Mantra,

the "devathaaswaroopa" (the nature of the diety) and the methods of

performing the sadhana.

 

 

While the parents are responsible for bringing our body onto this

earth, the Guru is responsible for freeing ourselves from all

bondages and attain salvation. In reality, a person gets his second

life after getting initiated. Hence those who are initiated into

spirituality by a guru are called "dwijas" - the twice born:

 

"AchArya upanayamAnO brahmachAriNam krNuthE garBhamanthah |

tham rAthrIsthisra udharE viBharthi tham jAtham drShtamaBhisanyanthi

dhEvAh ||"

 

--- aTharvaNa vEda

 

 

"yasya dhEve paraaBhakthih yaThA dhEve thaThA gurau

thasyaithE kaThiTharyanthE prakaashanthe mahaathmanaa"

 

[Who has has the highest devotion to God, and likewise to the Guru,

to that great soul the truths taught herein become clear]

 

 

"dhaivADheenAnthu jagathsarvam |

manthrADheenanthu dhEvathah ||

thanmanthram brAhmaNADheenam |

brAhmaNO mama dhEvathA ||"

 

[the whole creation is under the control of the divine power which in

turn is subject to the mantra. Those mantras are under the control of

the Brahmins (Brahma jnAnis). Hence ultimately the brahma jnAnis

(Gurus) are our Gods]

 

 

I think the above verse is more than enough to explain the importance

of a guru in mantra sadhana.

 

 

Mantras are not just an arrangement of letters or result of human

imagination. Mantras are embodiment of the diety itself. They were

percieved by our RShis during their deep contemplation and

meditation. The diety of such a mantra remains obidient and loyal to

the person (RShi) who has gained its grace. In course of time, the

RShis passed on the mantras to their desciples who thereby became the

lawful owner of the mantras. This unbroken guru-shishya parampara is

still continuining in this sacred land. All the previous mahatmas who

have attained salvation by the practice of a particular mantra are

infact still alive as divine souls - one within the mantra. Hence

there is no difference between the mantra, the diety and the guru -

all are same:

 

"shreenAThAdhi guru-thrayam gaNapathim peeTa thrayam Bhairavam

sidDhauGham vatuka-thrayam padhayugam dhootheekramam mandalam

veeraadhyaShta-chathuShka-ShaShti navakam veeraavalee panchakam

shreeman maalini mantra raaja sahitham vandhE gurOr mandalam "

[The mantra (shree mantra) is the abode of the whole lineage of

gurus - shree guru, parama guru, paramEShti guru, human gurus

(maanavaouGha), siddha gurus (sidDhaouGha) and divine gurus

(dhivyaouGha), Lord Ganapathi, the 3 Bhairavas, the 3 vatukas,

dhoothee mandalam, the 64 yoginis, the 5 veeravalis and the Divine

Mother Goddess]

 

 

All great men and women became so only by the divine grace of their

guru. Even Jagadguru Adi ShankarAchArya, who is reverred and

respected by all spiritual aspirants world-wide and whose

instructions and directions are followed by all ascetics till this

day, had sought asylum at the divine feet of his Guru, Govinda pAda.

Lord Ram was the desciple of brahmarShi VasiShTa, vishwAmithra and

agasthya. Lord KrShna learnt all great vidyas from his Guru

SAndheepani. Lord datthAthrEya who is the Adhi Guru of

the "avDhootha" lineage had 24 Gurus - does this convey some message ?

 

Lastly, I wish to qoute the great Kannada saint-poet-musician Shree

PurandharadhAsa :

 

"guruvina gulAmanAguva thanaka dhoreyadaNNa mukuthi"

 

[it is impossible to attain mukthi (salvation or emancipation) until

one becomes a slave of the Guru (without the divine grace of the

Guru)]

 

A man might be well-versed in different scriptures. He might have

renounced the world and might have crucified his flesh, but Truth is

revealed only to him who has become the slave of the Sadguru.

 

My whole life is not just sufficient to explain the glory of the

Sadguru.

 

 

----

 

2;; is a rosary compulsary ,can mantras be chanted without it?if

necessary which one?

 

 

Rosaries or any other external aids are required only when the mantra

is chanted for fulfilling specific personal desires (kaamya sidDhi).

Nothing except pure devotion is required for a desireless chanting

(niShkaam jap). Remember that human body itself is the most wonderful

yantra in this creation. It is nothing but the Shree Yantram - it is

the abode of all divinities. The shAstras proclaim that "niShkAm

karma" is highly beneficial as compared to "kAmya karma".

 

Malas (rosaries) of different varieties are prescribed for different

purposes:

 

"rudhrAkShah shwEtha padhmAkShamAlE thu aKhilE japEth |

athi sThUlO athi sookShmascha sPhutithO BhangarirlaGhuh ||

Bhinnah purA DhrthO jeerNO rudhrAkShO varadhah smrthah |

ashtOttharashathairmAlA prashasthA sarva karmasu ||"

 

--- shAradhA thilaka thanthram

 

[the rosaries of rudraksh, white lotus and spatik can be used for

chanting all kinds of mantras. Rudraksh is highly sacred and it can

be used even it is very old, damaged, lost its color etc. Always the

rosary of 108 beads should be used]

 

In the kAlikA purANa, the following have been prescribed:

 

thulasi rosary --- for lord ViShNu, KrShNa, Rama

 

ivory rosary --- for lord ganEsha

 

sandalwood rosary --- for Lord shiva

 

kusha rosary ---- destroys all sins

 

puthrajeeva rosary --- to obtain children

 

coral rosary --- to gain wealth

 

 

THE SAME MALA SHOULD NOT CONTAIN DIFFERENT TYPES OF BEADS.

 

In the Sanath Kumaara sanhitha, details of the color of the thread

used to make the rosary is also given:

 

Brahmins (priests) --- white

kShathriyas (warriors) --- yellow

vaishyAs (businessmen) --- black

shUdrAs (labourers) --- red

 

The rosary used for japa should never be worn around the neck. After

the japa, it should be kept at the feet of the diety's idol or in

some clean safe place. It should not be touched without washing the

hands and legs thoroughly or without taking bath.

 

 

There are many more things regarding the rosary (japa mala). I am

concluding here due to my human limitations.

 

----

 

3;;some mantras have to be chanted 1.25 lakh times or 125000 times so

what is the method of keeping count of such huge numbers?

 

"lAkShA kuseedham sidhooram gOmayam cha kareeShakam |

EBhinnirmAya gutikAm japa sanKhyA thu kArayEth ||"

 

--- rudhra yAmaLam

 

[ small round balls made outof lAkShA (a type of wax), sindhoor, and

cowdung should be used to keep count of the number of rounds of japa]

 

If none of the above are available, you can use beetle nuts to keep

count. On completion of every round of the rosary, you can count a

nut. Hence with a rosary of 108 beads, 10 nuts means, 108 * 10 = 1080

chants.

 

 

---

 

4:; what is the meaning of and way of reciting and number of reciting

and what r the fruits of

"Om Ayeim Hreem Kleem Chamundayei Vichche"

 

 

This is a maha mantra attributed to the Divine Mother Goddess

Chandika, who is the unified form of Mahakali, Mahalakshmi and

Mahasaraswathi. Excluding the letter "Om", there are 9 letters in

this mantra and hence it is famous as "navAkShari" or "navArNa

mantra".

 

 

Om ----> the primordial sacred sound from which the creation took

place. All mantras and the Vedas originated from Om. It symbolises

the Supreme Being, the Parabrahma.

 

aim ----> the seed (bija) mantra of Mahasaraswathi, the supreme force

of learning and wisdom. It is called "vAgbeeja".

 

hreem ----> the seed (bija) mantra of Mahalakshmi or Bhuvaneshwari,

the Supreme force of all divine virtues (not only wealth). It is

called "maayaa beeja".

 

kleem ----> the seed (bija) mantra of Mahakali, the Supreme force of

knowledge and illusion. It is called "kaama beeja"

 

chaamundaa ----> one of the names of Mother becoz she killed the

demons Chanda and Munda. Chada stands for disturbed, unpeaceful,

flickering mind and Munda stands for the ignorant mind:

 

"chaamundaa chanchala BhAva vinAshinyaie namah"

 

vicchE ----> contemplation or meditation

 

 

Hence the collective meaning of the mantra means "I meditate upon the

Supreme aspect of Mother Chandika who is the unified form

Masaraswathi, Mahalakshmi and Mahakali aspects. May my ignorance be

dispelled and enlightenment dawn in my heart"

 

 

For attaining salvation, the mantra has to be chanted 9 crore times.

For siddhi in material gains, 9 lakh japa is essential. Desireless

japa gives infinite gains.

 

 

||namah parama RShiBhyO namah parama RShiBhyah ||

 

 

 

, "questram33" <questram33> wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

> To find this group is something beyond my dreams .I frankly did not

> expect sp many people to be doing sadhana and mantra japa.

>

> I have a few questions

>

> 1;; is it necessary to have guru dishka,can we chant any mantra we

> want ,after all its gods name?

> Hanve any of u got the specified results without guru

> initianion?

>

> 2;; is a rosary compulsary ,can mantras be chanted without it?

if

> necessary which one?

>

> 3;;some mantras have to be chanted 1.25 lakh times or 125000 times

so

> what is the method of keeping count of such huge numbers?

>

>

> 4:; what is the meaning of and way of reciting and number of

reciting

> and what r the fruits of

> "Om Ayeim Hreem Kleem Chamundayei Vichche"

>

> 5;; it may be personal question but i would like to know apart

from

> general benifits we all get

> can any one involved in suceesful sadhna give some

> example of getting the desired fruit.

> how u recited /no. of times and time span of recitation .

> also time lag of fulfillment of aim

>

> thank you

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thanks for the message.

 

 

 

 

 

, "Srinath Ram" <srinath_atreya>

wrote:

> 1;; is it necessary to have guru dishka,can we chant any mantra we

> want ,after all its gods name?

> Hanve any of u got the specified results without guru

> initianion?

>

> || Jai Sadguru Dutta ||

>

>

> "dhatthaathrEya harE krShNa unmatthaanandha dhaayaka |

> dhiganbara munirbaala pishaacha jnAna sAgarA ||"

>

> "sadhA shiva samAramBhAm shankarAcharya maDhyamam |

> asmadhAchArya paryantham vandhE guru paramparA ||"

>

>

> In Bharatheeya Sanskrthi, Guru occupies the highest place; infact

his

> place even above the gods. The word "Guru" itself is very sacred

and

> has a very deep meaning:

>

> 1. Guru means one who is heavy (full) with knowledge.

>

> 2. the word Guru is composed of 2 letters: 'gu' + 'ru'

>

> "gu kaarO anDhakaarashca, ru kaarO rannivaarakah"

>

> 'gu' means ignorance; 'ru' means fire (of knowledge) that removes

and

> expells ignorance.

>

> 'ajnaana thimiraanDhasya jnaanaanjana shalaakayaa |

> chakShuh unmeelithEna thasmai shree guravE namah ||"

>

> [i prostrate to the shree guru who dispelled the darkness of

> ignorance by opening my eyes with the needle of knowledge]

>

> 3. 'gu' means 'guNaatheeth' (attributeless), 'ru'

> means 'roopaatheeth' (formless). Hence Guru means the one who is

> omnipresent (infinite) and omnscient - the one who is everything

and

> knows everything. Guru is verily the Supreme Being -

> the "Parabrahman".

>

> "guruh brahma guruh viShnuh guru dhEvO mahEshwarah |

> guruh saakShaath parabrahma thasmai shree guravE namah ||"

>

> [ Guru is none other than the divine trinity brahma-viShNu-

> mahEshwara. He is verily the Parabrahman. I prostrate to such a

shree

> guru ]

>

>

> Guru is one who is established in the "brahman" [brahma - niShTa].

> Guru is master. He is the dispeller of ignorance. He is a realized

> soul and he is ever-united with God. He is the embodiment of all

> great virtues and noble ideals. Lust, greed, infatuation, arrogance

> and jealousy - the six enemies of man ["ariShadvarga"] are totally

> converted into love, compassion, benevolence, auspiciousness,

> selfless action and forgiveness in him.

>

> He is the master of all but still innocent like a child. He is the

> compassionate father and benevolent mother of his desciples. He is

> the guiding light for the seekers of Truth. He has attained cosmic

> consciousness. He knows what is in God's mind and acts accordingly.

> He is fearless and always stands for truth and justice. Like the

Sun

> who impartially gives heat and light to all, the Guru does no

> discrimination amongst his pupils. He has realized that the same

> divinity shining in him is also present in everything and everyone.

>

>

> In the 34th verse of the 4th chapter (jnaanayoga) of the

> Bhagavadgeetha, the Lord says thus:

>

> "thadhwidDhi praNipaathEna pariprashEna sEvayA |

> upadhEkShyanthi thE jnAnam jnAninasthah thathwa dharshinah ||"

>

> [Attain this knowledge by all means; if you prostrate yourself at

the

> feet of the wise, render them all forms of service and question

them

> with a guileless heart, again and again, those wise seers of truth

> will unfold that wisdom to you]

>

> The guidance of a guru, a realized soul, is a necessity felt by all

> seekers of reality and spiritual progress. As small children, we

went

> to school and learnt the basics of how to read and write from our

> teachers. Till we graduate from the University we seek the

assistance

> and guidance from our teachers. When the necessity of a teacher is

so

> important in material matters, then how much more should it be in

the

> case of spirituality, for the path is very subtle and highly

> abstract. The path of life is infested by the thorns of greed,

lust,

> egoe and ignorance. The thieves of greediness are waiting to steal

> the spiritual wealth of an individual. The guru alone knows the

> proper way to escape these dangers and reach the other shore, for

he

> has already reached the other shore and has come, out of

compassion,

> to take others to the other side of the ocean of "sansara".

>

> Spiritual initiation ["dheekSha"] is a necessary factor in the path

> of spirituality. During such an initiation, a spiritual power is

> transmitted from the guru to the desciple. This power is very

subtle

> but powerful. It clears doubts, extinguishes confusion, settles the

> mind, and the desciple reaches stability and equanimity. He finds

his

> safety in the benign smile of the guru like the just born baby

feels

> safe in the warmth of its mother's hug. The guru purifies

> understanding. The "chittha - vrtthi"s - the deformities of the

> desciple's mind subsides and thus helps him to ascend to higher

> realms of consciousness.

>

> Santh Tukaraam says, "Guru makes his desciple one like him. Even

> though the preperation takes a little time for the guru to enter

into

> the desciple to make him one like him.". He further says that he

> cannot compare the guru to the touchstone ["sparSh-maNi"], which

only

> turns the metal into gold. The greatness of a guru is that he makes

> his desciple one like him, another touchstone.

>

>

>

> One has to obtain a mantra always from a living person - the Guru

and

> not from books. A live candle alone can light up another one so

even

> a soul alone can touch another soul. The soul can recieve impulses

> from another soul, and from nothing else. Had there been no

necessity

> for a guru, then every Dick and Harry would have become masters of

> mantra and knowledge, just by reading books. Groping in darkness,

one

> can never reach the light. One may become highly informed by

studying

> various books. But without a Guru, all that knowledge is useless.

>

>

> "avidhyAyAmanthare varthamAnAh swayam DheerAh panditham manyamAnAh |

> dhandhramyamANAh pariyanthi mooDA anDhEnaiva neeyamanA yaThAnDhAh

||"

>

> --- KaTa upaniShad

>

> [Fools dwelling in darkness, wise in their own conceit, and puffed

up

> with vain knowledge, go round and round staggering to and fro, like

> blind men led by the blind]

>

> In studying books we are deluded into thinking that thereby we are

> being spiritually helped; but if we analyze carefully, it is only

> the "scholar" in us that derives profit from such studies, and not

> our inner spirit.

>

> The word "diksha" itself is so beautiful. It is actually comprised

of

> 2 letters: "di" + "kSha". 'di' means "Dhee shakthi" - the

> intellectual power. 'kSha' means the one which sharpens. Hence

diksha

> or initiation is the process wherein the able Guru break opens the

> lock of ignorance that has been subdueing the real nature and

> potential of the desciple and unravels to him the secrets and

> mystries of spirituality by making his desciple introvert.

> Ultimately, the desciple realizes the real guru - the real guiding

> light, that is within himself:

>

> "dheeyathe shiva sAyujyam, kSheeyathe pAsha banDhanam |

> aTho dheekShEthi kaThitham bhuDhaih sath shAstra vEdhibhih ||"

>

> [The rite or ceremony of diksha destroys all the limiting factors

of

> the individual self and facilitate his union with Shiva]

>

> Thus the first qualification for an upasak (sadhak) is to obtain

> diksha from a Guru. It is the Guru who, after testing the

desciple's

> competence, initiates him into the "upAsana" - the process of

> unification of the self with the supreme, by teaching him the

Mantra,

> the "devathaaswaroopa" (the nature of the diety) and the methods of

> performing the sadhana.

>

>

> While the parents are responsible for bringing our body onto this

> earth, the Guru is responsible for freeing ourselves from all

> bondages and attain salvation. In reality, a person gets his second

> life after getting initiated. Hence those who are initiated into

> spirituality by a guru are called "dwijas" - the twice born:

>

> "AchArya upanayamAnO brahmachAriNam krNuthE garBhamanthah |

> tham rAthrIsthisra udharE viBharthi tham jAtham

drShtamaBhisanyanthi

> dhEvAh ||"

>

> --- aTharvaNa vEda

>

>

> "yasya dhEve paraaBhakthih yaThA dhEve thaThA gurau

> thasyaithE kaThiTharyanthE prakaashanthe mahaathmanaa"

>

> [Who has has the highest devotion to God, and likewise to the Guru,

> to that great soul the truths taught herein become clear]

>

>

> "dhaivADheenAnthu jagathsarvam |

> manthrADheenanthu dhEvathah ||

> thanmanthram brAhmaNADheenam |

> brAhmaNO mama dhEvathA ||"

>

> [the whole creation is under the control of the divine power which

in

> turn is subject to the mantra. Those mantras are under the control

of

> the Brahmins (Brahma jnAnis). Hence ultimately the brahma jnAnis

> (Gurus) are our Gods]

>

>

> I think the above verse is more than enough to explain the

importance

> of a guru in mantra sadhana.

>

>

> Mantras are not just an arrangement of letters or result of human

> imagination. Mantras are embodiment of the diety itself. They were

> percieved by our RShis during their deep contemplation and

> meditation. The diety of such a mantra remains obidient and loyal

to

> the person (RShi) who has gained its grace. In course of time, the

> RShis passed on the mantras to their desciples who thereby became

the

> lawful owner of the mantras. This unbroken guru-shishya parampara

is

> still continuining in this sacred land. All the previous mahatmas

who

> have attained salvation by the practice of a particular mantra are

> infact still alive as divine souls - one within the mantra. Hence

> there is no difference between the mantra, the diety and the guru -

> all are same:

>

> "shreenAThAdhi guru-thrayam gaNapathim peeTa thrayam Bhairavam

> sidDhauGham vatuka-thrayam padhayugam dhootheekramam mandalam

> veeraadhyaShta-chathuShka-ShaShti navakam veeraavalee panchakam

> shreeman maalini mantra raaja sahitham vandhE gurOr mandalam "

> [The mantra (shree mantra) is the abode of the whole lineage of

> gurus - shree guru, parama guru, paramEShti guru, human gurus

> (maanavaouGha), siddha gurus (sidDhaouGha) and divine gurus

> (dhivyaouGha), Lord Ganapathi, the 3 Bhairavas, the 3 vatukas,

> dhoothee mandalam, the 64 yoginis, the 5 veeravalis and the Divine

> Mother Goddess]

>

>

> All great men and women became so only by the divine grace of their

> guru. Even Jagadguru Adi ShankarAchArya, who is reverred and

> respected by all spiritual aspirants world-wide and whose

> instructions and directions are followed by all ascetics till this

> day, had sought asylum at the divine feet of his Guru, Govinda

pAda.

> Lord Ram was the desciple of brahmarShi VasiShTa, vishwAmithra and

> agasthya. Lord KrShna learnt all great vidyas from his Guru

> SAndheepani. Lord datthAthrEya who is the Adhi Guru of

> the "avDhootha" lineage had 24 Gurus - does this convey some

message ?

>

> Lastly, I wish to qoute the great Kannada saint-poet-musician Shree

> PurandharadhAsa :

>

> "guruvina gulAmanAguva thanaka dhoreyadaNNa mukuthi"

>

> [it is impossible to attain mukthi (salvation or emancipation)

until

> one becomes a slave of the Guru (without the divine grace of the

> Guru)]

>

> A man might be well-versed in different scriptures. He might have

> renounced the world and might have crucified his flesh, but Truth

is

> revealed only to him who has become the slave of the Sadguru.

>

> My whole life is not just sufficient to explain the glory of the

> Sadguru.

>

>

> --

--

>

> 2;; is a rosary compulsary ,can mantras be chanted without it?if

> necessary which one?

>

>

> Rosaries or any other external aids are required only when the

mantra

> is chanted for fulfilling specific personal desires (kaamya

sidDhi).

> Nothing except pure devotion is required for a desireless chanting

> (niShkaam jap). Remember that human body itself is the most

wonderful

> yantra in this creation. It is nothing but the Shree Yantram - it

is

> the abode of all divinities. The shAstras proclaim that "niShkAm

> karma" is highly beneficial as compared to "kAmya karma".

>

> Malas (rosaries) of different varieties are prescribed for

different

> purposes:

>

> "rudhrAkShah shwEtha padhmAkShamAlE thu aKhilE japEth |

> athi sThUlO athi sookShmascha sPhutithO BhangarirlaGhuh ||

> Bhinnah purA DhrthO jeerNO rudhrAkShO varadhah smrthah |

> ashtOttharashathairmAlA prashasthA sarva karmasu ||"

>

> --- shAradhA thilaka thanthram

>

> [the rosaries of rudraksh, white lotus and spatik can be used for

> chanting all kinds of mantras. Rudraksh is highly sacred and it can

> be used even it is very old, damaged, lost its color etc. Always

the

> rosary of 108 beads should be used]

>

> In the kAlikA purANa, the following have been prescribed:

>

> thulasi rosary --- for lord ViShNu, KrShNa, Rama

>

> ivory rosary --- for lord ganEsha

>

> sandalwood rosary --- for Lord shiva

>

> kusha rosary ---- destroys all sins

>

> puthrajeeva rosary --- to obtain children

>

> coral rosary --- to gain wealth

>

>

> THE SAME MALA SHOULD NOT CONTAIN DIFFERENT TYPES OF BEADS.

>

> In the Sanath Kumaara sanhitha, details of the color of the thread

> used to make the rosary is also given:

>

> Brahmins (priests) --- white

> kShathriyas (warriors) --- yellow

> vaishyAs (businessmen) --- black

> shUdrAs (labourers) --- red

>

> The rosary used for japa should never be worn around the neck.

After

> the japa, it should be kept at the feet of the diety's idol or in

> some clean safe place. It should not be touched without washing the

> hands and legs thoroughly or without taking bath.

>

>

> There are many more things regarding the rosary (japa mala). I am

> concluding here due to my human limitations.

>

> --

--

>

> 3;;some mantras have to be chanted 1.25 lakh times or 125000 times

so

> what is the method of keeping count of such huge numbers?

>

> "lAkShA kuseedham sidhooram gOmayam cha kareeShakam |

> EBhinnirmAya gutikAm japa sanKhyA thu kArayEth ||"

>

> --- rudhra yAmaLam

>

> [ small round balls made outof lAkShA (a type of wax), sindhoor,

and

> cowdung should be used to keep count of the number of rounds of

japa]

>

> If none of the above are available, you can use beetle nuts to keep

> count. On completion of every round of the rosary, you can count a

> nut. Hence with a rosary of 108 beads, 10 nuts means, 108 * 10 =

1080

> chants.

>

>

> --

-

>

> 4:; what is the meaning of and way of reciting and number of

reciting

> and what r the fruits of

> "Om Ayeim Hreem Kleem Chamundayei Vichche"

>

>

> This is a maha mantra attributed to the Divine Mother Goddess

> Chandika, who is the unified form of Mahakali, Mahalakshmi and

> Mahasaraswathi. Excluding the letter "Om", there are 9 letters in

> this mantra and hence it is famous as "navAkShari" or "navArNa

> mantra".

>

>

> Om ----> the primordial sacred sound from which the creation took

> place. All mantras and the Vedas originated from Om. It symbolises

> the Supreme Being, the Parabrahma.

>

> aim ----> the seed (bija) mantra of Mahasaraswathi, the supreme

force

> of learning and wisdom. It is called "vAgbeeja".

>

> hreem ----> the seed (bija) mantra of Mahalakshmi or Bhuvaneshwari,

> the Supreme force of all divine virtues (not only wealth). It is

> called "maayaa beeja".

>

> kleem ----> the seed (bija) mantra of Mahakali, the Supreme force

of

> knowledge and illusion. It is called "kaama beeja"

>

> chaamundaa ----> one of the names of Mother becoz she killed the

> demons Chanda and Munda. Chada stands for disturbed, unpeaceful,

> flickering mind and Munda stands for the ignorant mind:

>

> "chaamundaa chanchala BhAva vinAshinyaie namah"

>

> vicchE ----> contemplation or meditation

>

>

> Hence the collective meaning of the mantra means "I meditate upon

the

> Supreme aspect of Mother Chandika who is the unified form

> Masaraswathi, Mahalakshmi and Mahakali aspects. May my ignorance be

> dispelled and enlightenment dawn in my heart"

>

>

> For attaining salvation, the mantra has to be chanted 9 crore

times.

> For siddhi in material gains, 9 lakh japa is essential. Desireless

> japa gives infinite gains.

>

>

> ||namah parama RShiBhyO namah parama RShiBhyah ||

>

>

>

> , "questram33" <questram33>

wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > To find this group is something beyond my dreams .I frankly did

not

> > expect sp many people to be doing sadhana and mantra japa.

> >

> > I have a few questions

> >

> > 1;; is it necessary to have guru dishka,can we chant any mantra

we

> > want ,after all its gods name?

> > Hanve any of u got the specified results without guru

> > initianion?

> >

> > 2;; is a rosary compulsary ,can mantras be chanted without

it?

> if

> > necessary which one?

> >

> > 3;;some mantras have to be chanted 1.25 lakh times or 125000

times

> so

> > what is the method of keeping count of such huge numbers?

> >

> >

> > 4:; what is the meaning of and way of reciting and number of

> reciting

> > and what r the fruits of

> > "Om Ayeim Hreem Kleem Chamundayei Vichche"

> >

> > 5;; it may be personal question but i would like to know apart

> from

> > general benifits we all get

> > can any one involved in suceesful sadhna give some

> > example of getting the desired fruit.

> > how u recited /no. of times and time span of recitation .

> > also time lag of fulfillment of aim

> >

> > thank you

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