Guest guest Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 Dear All, Jai Gurudev!! Recently while searching more articles and info. on Siddhashram, I came across a site called http://www.dialogueonline.net Please have a look at this site that claims to make a comparative study to guide the public to understand their religions better giving quotes from the scriptures. They comment on HInduism and Islam. They say that the difference between between these two groups has been created because of Hindu scriptures and Hindu Gurus. They have not only whole heartedly criticised the Vedas, Bhagwad Gita, Vishnu, Brahma, but the whole Hindu leneage of philosophers, Rishis etc. They say Hinduism if full of contradictions and Vedas are not credible books. On the other hand, they say Islam is the only worthy religion for mankind!!! I think they do not know the existence of black stone Shivalinga at the Mecca and the sanskrit writing on the wall there that says of Vikramaditya's rule that was spread as far as Arabia. Before Islam was established this land had idol worship (supposedly Shiv parivar and the nature Gods) later that was banned and they broke the idols. This tradition still continues to this day and every pilgrim is supposed to throw a stone to the broken idols. The pundits serving there had a vision of Lord Shiva saying that don't serve me here any more since this land will be ruled by 'Malechhs'. The four pundits were sent back. The siddh Shivalinga was hidden under the black cloth so that no hindu can ever take it away. A reason why no Hindu is allowed there. They alway give beef and mutton to eat before entering the shrine. And no Gangajal is allowed. The other end pole of this Shivalinga is the Mahakaaleshwar Linga that is always worshipped and that appeared around the same time. I'll be writing a letter to the rascal editor of this site who has made efforts to study the Holy Hindu scriptures with a view to malign it.He hasn't even got any courage to write his disgraceful name. He writes - 'compiled by DOL team' which I suppose is made up of Shiites and Sunnis. As such I have nothing against any religion. Even Islam, but what right they have to malign the Vedic Culture?? These people have zero Sadhnatmak base and claim to understand God and holy scriptures. They call Vishnu as deceitful and Rigved as confusing and useless!! Please have a look at it. How can we let them spread bad words about Sanatan Dharma? Jai Gurudev. Nitesh Here is some thing to think about: Glancing through some research material recently, historian P.N. Oak was pleasantly surprised to come across a reference to a king Vikramaditya inscription found in the Kaaba in Mecca proving beyond doubt that the Arabian Peninsula formed a part of his Indian Empire. The text of the crucial Vikramaditya inscription, found inscribed on a gold dish hung inside the Kaaba shrine in Mecca, is found recorded on page 315 of a volume known as `Sayar-ul-Okul' treasured in the Makhtab-e-Sultania library in Istanbul, Turkey. Rendered in free English the inscription says: "Fortunate are those who were born (and lived) during king Vikram's reign. He was a noble, generous dutiful ruler, devoted to the welfare of his subjects. But at that time we Arabs, oblivious of God, were lost in sensual pleasures. Plotting and torture were rampant. The darkness of ignorance had enveloped our country. Like the lamb struggling for her life in the cruel paws of a wolf we Arabs were caught up in ignorance. The entire country was enveloped in a darkness so intense as on a new moon night. But the present dawn and pleasant sunshine of education is the result of the favour of the noble king Vikramaditya whose benevolent supervision did not lose sight of us- foreigners as we were. He spread his sacred religion amongst us and sent scholars whose brilliance shone like that of the sun from his country to ours. These scholars and preceptors through whose benevolence we were once again made cognisant of the presence of God, introduced to His sacred existence and put on the road of Truth, had come to our country to preach their religion and impart education at king Vikramaditya's behest." For those who would like to read the Arabic wording I reproduce it hereunder in Roman script: "Itrashaphai Santu Ibikramatul Phahalameen Karimun Yartapheeha Wayosassaru Bihillahaya Samaini Ela Motakabberen Sihillaha Yuhee Quid min howa Yapakhara phajjal asari nahone osirom bayjayhalem. Yundan blabin Kajan blnaya khtoryaha sadunya kanateph netephi bejehalin Atadari bilamasa- rateen phakef tasabuhu kaunnieja majekaralhada walador. As hmiman burukankad toluho watastaru hihila Yakajibaymana balay kulk amarena phaneya jaunabilamary Bikramatum". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2004 Report Share Posted May 31, 2004 Hi there... I went through the site. Its insane and disgusting... I dont know what else to say or do about it. I did hear from someone that In Mecca and Madina.. they have Shivlingam, and thats why no hindu is allowed.. Is it true... any comments from anyone.. Thanks in anticipation... Regards Dp writemail1 wrote: Dear All, Jai Gurudev!! Recently while searching more articles and info. on Siddhashram, I came across a site called http://www.dialogueonline.net Please have a look at this site that claims to make a comparative study to guide the public to understand their religions better giving quotes from the scriptures. They comment on HInduism and Islam. They say that the difference between between these two groups has been created because of Hindu scriptures and Hindu Gurus. They have not only whole heartedly criticised the Vedas, Bhagwad Gita, Vishnu, Brahma, but the whole Hindu leneage of philosophers, Rishis etc. They say Hinduism if full of contradictions and Vedas are not credible books. On the other hand, they say Islam is the only worthy religion for mankind!!! I think they do not know the existence of black stone Shivalinga at the Mecca and the sanskrit writing on the wall there that says of Vikramaditya's rule that was spread as far as Arabia. Before Islam was established this land had idol worship (supposedly Shiv parivar and the nature Gods) later that was banned and they broke the idols. This tradition still continues to this day and every pilgrim is supposed to throw a stone to the broken idols. The pundits serving there had a vision of Lord Shiva saying that don't serve me here any more since this land will be ruled by 'Malechhs'. The four pundits were sent back. The siddh Shivalinga was hidden under the black cloth so that no hindu can ever take it away. A reason why no Hindu is allowed there. They alway give beef and mutton to eat before entering the shrine. And no Gangajal is allowed. The other end pole of this Shivalinga is the Mahakaaleshwar Linga that is always worshipped and that appeared around the same time. I'll be writing a letter to the rascal editor of this site who has made efforts to study the Holy Hindu scriptures with a view to malign it.He hasn't even got any courage to write his disgraceful name. He writes - 'compiled by DOL team' which I suppose is made up of Shiites and Sunnis. As such I have nothing against any religion. Even Islam, but what right they have to malign the Vedic Culture?? These people have zero Sadhnatmak base and claim to understand God and holy scriptures. They call Vishnu as deceitful and Rigved as confusing and useless!! Please have a look at it. How can we let them spread bad words about Sanatan Dharma? Jai Gurudev. Nitesh Here is some thing to think about: Glancing through some research material recently, historian P.N. Oak was pleasantly surprised to come across a reference to a king Vikramaditya inscription found in the Kaaba in Mecca proving beyond doubt that the Arabian Peninsula formed a part of his Indian Empire. The text of the crucial Vikramaditya inscription, found inscribed on a gold dish hung inside the Kaaba shrine in Mecca, is found recorded on page 315 of a volume known as `Sayar-ul-Okul' treasured in the Makhtab-e-Sultania library in Istanbul, Turkey. Rendered in free English the inscription says: "Fortunate are those who were born (and lived) during king Vikram's reign. He was a noble, generous dutiful ruler, devoted to the welfare of his subjects. But at that time we Arabs, oblivious of God, were lost in sensual pleasures. Plotting and torture were rampant. The darkness of ignorance had enveloped our country. Like the lamb struggling for her life in the cruel paws of a wolf we Arabs were caught up in ignorance. The entire country was enveloped in a darkness so intense as on a new moon night. But the present dawn and pleasant sunshine of education is the result of the favour of the noble king Vikramaditya whose benevolent supervision did not lose sight of us- foreigners as we were. He spread his sacred religion amongst us and sent scholars whose brilliance shone like that of the sun from his country to ours. These scholars and preceptors through whose benevolence we were once again made cognisant of the presence of God, introduced to His sacred existence and put on the road of Truth, had come to our country to preach their religion and impart education at king Vikramaditya's behest." For those who would like to read the Arabic wording I reproduce it hereunder in Roman script: "Itrashaphai Santu Ibikramatul Phahalameen Karimun Yartapheeha Wayosassaru Bihillahaya Samaini Ela Motakabberen Sihillaha Yuhee Quid min howa Yapakhara phajjal asari nahone osirom bayjayhalem. Yundan blabin Kajan blnaya khtoryaha sadunya kanateph netephi bejehalin Atadari bilamasa- rateen phakef tasabuhu kaunnieja majekaralhada walador. As hmiman burukankad toluho watastaru hihila Yakajibaymana balay kulk amarena phaneya jaunabilamary Bikramatum". Jay Gurudev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2004 Report Share Posted June 7, 2004 I think such insane material should be regulated by somebody!But alas, there is no body to curb this nonsense. but a true Hindu would read all this and forgive the person who has done this. Isnt it? But I must say the writer has taken pains to read the texts and comment on it. God save his soul! Nithya , Dhirendra Pal Singh <dp_singh@s...> wrote: > Hi there... > > I went through the site. Its insane and disgusting... > > I dont know what else to say or do about it. > > I did hear from someone that In Mecca and Madina.. they have Shivlingam, > and thats why no hindu is allowed.. > > Is it true... any comments from anyone.. > > Thanks in anticipation... > Regards > Dp > > > writemail1 wrote: > > > Dear All, > > > > Jai Gurudev!! > > > > Recently while searching more articles and info. on Siddhashram, I > > came across a site called http://www.dialogueonline.net > > Please have a look at this site that claims to make a comparative > > study to guide the public to understand their religions better giving > > quotes from the scriptures. They comment on HInduism and Islam. > > They say that the difference between between these two groups has been > > created because of Hindu scriptures and Hindu Gurus. > > They have not only whole heartedly criticised the Vedas, Bhagwad Gita, > > Vishnu, Brahma, but the whole Hindu leneage of philosophers, Rishis etc. > > They say Hinduism if full of contradictions and Vedas are not credible > > books. On the other hand, they say Islam is the only worthy religion > > for mankind!!! > > I think they do not know the existence of black stone Shivalinga at > > the Mecca and the sanskrit writing on the wall there that says of > > Vikramaditya's rule that was spread as far as Arabia. Before Islam was > > established this land had idol worship (supposedly Shiv parivar and > > the nature Gods) later that was banned and they broke the idols. This > > tradition still continues to this day and every pilgrim is supposed to > > throw a stone to the broken idols. The pundits serving there had a > > vision of Lord Shiva saying that don't serve me here any more since > > this land will be ruled by 'Malechhs'. The four pundits were sent > > back. The siddh Shivalinga was hidden under the black cloth so that no > > hindu can ever take it away. A reason why no Hindu is allowed there. > > They alway give beef and mutton to eat before entering the shrine. And > > no Gangajal is allowed. The other end pole of this Shivalinga is the > > Mahakaaleshwar Linga that is always worshipped and that appeared > > around the same time. > > I'll be writing a letter to the rascal editor of this site who has > > made efforts to study the Holy Hindu scriptures with a view to malign > > it.He hasn't even got any courage to write his disgraceful name. He > > writes - 'compiled by DOL team' which I suppose is made up of Shiites > > and Sunnis. > > As such I have nothing against any religion. Even Islam, but what > > right they have to malign the Vedic Culture?? These people have zero > > Sadhnatmak base and claim to understand God and holy scriptures. They > > call Vishnu as deceitful and Rigved as confusing and useless!! > > > > Please have a look at it. How can we let them spread bad words about > > Sanatan Dharma? > > > > Jai Gurudev. > > > > Nitesh > > > > Here is some thing to think about: > > > > Glancing through some research material recently, historian P.N. Oak > > was pleasantly surprised to come across a reference to a king > > Vikramaditya inscription found in the Kaaba in Mecca proving beyond > > doubt that the Arabian Peninsula formed a part of his Indian Empire. > > > > The text of the crucial Vikramaditya inscription, found inscribed on a > > gold dish hung inside the Kaaba shrine in Mecca, is found recorded on > > page 315 of a volume known as `Sayar-ul-Okul' treasured in the > > Makhtab-e-Sultania library in Istanbul, Turkey. Rendered in free > > English the inscription says: > > > > "Fortunate are those who were born (and lived) during king Vikram's > > reign. He was a noble, generous dutiful ruler, devoted to the welfare > > of his subjects. But at that time we Arabs, oblivious of God, were > > lost in sensual pleasures. Plotting and torture were rampant. The > > darkness of ignorance had enveloped our country. Like the lamb > > struggling for her life in the cruel paws of a wolf we Arabs were > > caught up in ignorance. The entire country was enveloped in a darkness > > so intense as on a new moon night. But the present dawn and pleasant > > sunshine of education is the result of the favour of the noble king > > Vikramaditya whose benevolent supervision did not lose sight of us- > > foreigners as we were. He spread his sacred religion amongst us and > > sent scholars whose brilliance shone like that of the sun from his > > country to ours. These scholars and preceptors through whose > > benevolence we were once again made cognisant of the presence of God, > > introduced to His sacred existence and put on the road of Truth, had > > come to our country to preach their religion and impart education at > > king Vikramaditya's behest." > > > > For those who would like to read the Arabic wording I reproduce it > > hereunder in Roman script: > > > > "Itrashaphai Santu Ibikramatul Phahalameen Karimun Yartapheeha > > Wayosassaru Bihillahaya Samaini Ela Motakabberen Sihillaha Yuhee Quid > > min howa Yapakhara phajjal asari nahone osirom bayjayhalem. Yundan > > blabin Kajan blnaya khtoryaha sadunya kanateph netephi bejehalin > > Atadari bilamasa- rateen phakef tasabuhu kaunnieja majekaralhada > > walador. As hmiman burukankad toluho watastaru hihila Yakajibaymana > > balay kulk amarena phaneya jaunabilamary Bikramatum". > > > > > > > > > > Jay Gurudev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > <http://rd./SIG=1295q55d0/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D= groups/S=1705077360:HM/EXP=1085820891/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*htt p://companion.> > > > > > > > > ------ > > Links > > > > * > > / > > > > * > > > > <? subject=Un> > > > > * Terms of > > Service <>. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2004 Report Share Posted June 10, 2004 Dear Nithya, Jai Gurudev! Of course some one should do something about it. In fact ideals like - "a true Hindu should forgive the person who wrote it" forced India into slavery of a thousand years under invading foreign Islamic forces. and then the British. It is because during the bhakti kaal (of course it was right) the people learned to love and forgive, but forgot how to defend themselves. Hindustaan is a Hindu country and Hindus should exercise their right of majority (respecting the minorities as well)! When minorities can ask for their rights, why there are no rights for the majority? Try to preach Hinduism in Arab Emirates! Tell them their religion is not right so take up Hinduism. See if they will forgive such a statement! Of course forgiving is great and should be practiced, but mean people such as the ones running- www.dialogueonline.net take extra advantage of it. I respect every religion, but don't respect those who malign Sanatana Dharma for their selfish gains. These people are 'aparadhis'. Of course they have taken pains to study the scriptures in order to convince people against them. It is even more 'aparadha' as they abuse our Gods and scriptures. May God bless you. Jai Gurudev! Nitesh , "Nithya K" <tutor19us> wrote: > I think such insane material should be regulated by somebody!But > alas, there is no body to curb this nonsense. > > but a true Hindu would read all this and forgive the person who has > done this. Isnt it? > But I must say the writer has taken pains to read the texts and > comment on it. > > God save his soul! > > Nithya > , Dhirendra Pal Singh <dp_singh@s...> > wrote: > > Hi there... > > > > I went through the site. Its insane and disgusting... > > > > I dont know what else to say or do about it. > > > > I did hear from someone that In Mecca and Madina.. they have > Shivlingam, > > and thats why no hindu is allowed.. > > > > Is it true... any comments from anyone.. > > > > Thanks in anticipation... > > Regards > > Dp > > > > > > writemail1 wrote: > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > Jai Gurudev!! > > > > > > Recently while searching more articles and info. on Siddhashram, I > > > came across a site called http://www.dialogueonline.net > > > Please have a look at this site that claims to make a comparative > > > study to guide the public to understand their religions better > giving > > > quotes from the scriptures. They comment on HInduism and Islam. > > > They say that the difference between between these two groups has > been > > > created because of Hindu scriptures and Hindu Gurus. > > > They have not only whole heartedly criticised the Vedas, Bhagwad > Gita, > > > Vishnu, Brahma, but the whole Hindu leneage of philosophers, > Rishis etc. > > > They say Hinduism if full of contradictions and Vedas are not > credible > > > books. On the other hand, they say Islam is the only worthy > religion > > > for mankind!!! > > > I think they do not know the existence of black stone Shivalinga > at > > > the Mecca and the sanskrit writing on the wall there that says of > > > Vikramaditya's rule that was spread as far as Arabia. Before > Islam was > > > established this land had idol worship (supposedly Shiv parivar > and > > > the nature Gods) later that was banned and they broke the idols. > This > > > tradition still continues to this day and every pilgrim is > supposed to > > > throw a stone to the broken idols. The pundits serving there had a > > > vision of Lord Shiva saying that don't serve me here any more > since > > > this land will be ruled by 'Malechhs'. The four pundits were sent > > > back. The siddh Shivalinga was hidden under the black cloth so > that no > > > hindu can ever take it away. A reason why no Hindu is allowed > there. > > > They alway give beef and mutton to eat before entering the > shrine. And > > > no Gangajal is allowed. The other end pole of this Shivalinga is > the > > > Mahakaaleshwar Linga that is always worshipped and that appeared > > > around the same time. > > > I'll be writing a letter to the rascal editor of this site who has > > > made efforts to study the Holy Hindu scriptures with a view to > malign > > > it.He hasn't even got any courage to write his disgraceful name. > He > > > writes - 'compiled by DOL team' which I suppose is made up of > Shiites > > > and Sunnis. > > > As such I have nothing against any religion. Even Islam, but what > > > right they have to malign the Vedic Culture?? These people have > zero > > > Sadhnatmak base and claim to understand God and holy scriptures. > They > > > call Vishnu as deceitful and Rigved as confusing and useless!! > > > > > > Please have a look at it. How can we let them spread bad words > about > > > Sanatan Dharma? > > > > > > Jai Gurudev. > > > > > > Nitesh > > > > > > Here is some thing to think about: > > > > > > Glancing through some research material recently, historian P.N. > Oak > > > was pleasantly surprised to come across a reference to a king > > > Vikramaditya inscription found in the Kaaba in Mecca proving > beyond > > > doubt that the Arabian Peninsula formed a part of his Indian > Empire. > > > > > > The text of the crucial Vikramaditya inscription, found inscribed > on a > > > gold dish hung inside the Kaaba shrine in Mecca, is found > recorded on > > > page 315 of a volume known as `Sayar-ul-Okul' treasured in the > > > Makhtab-e-Sultania library in Istanbul, Turkey. Rendered in free > > > English the inscription says: > > > > > > "Fortunate are those who were born (and lived) during king > Vikram's > > > reign. He was a noble, generous dutiful ruler, devoted to the > welfare > > > of his subjects. But at that time we Arabs, oblivious of God, were > > > lost in sensual pleasures. Plotting and torture were rampant. The > > > darkness of ignorance had enveloped our country. Like the lamb > > > struggling for her life in the cruel paws of a wolf we Arabs were > > > caught up in ignorance. The entire country was enveloped in a > darkness > > > so intense as on a new moon night. But the present dawn and > pleasant > > > sunshine of education is the result of the favour of the noble > king > > > Vikramaditya whose benevolent supervision did not lose sight of > us- > > > foreigners as we were. He spread his sacred religion amongst us > and > > > sent scholars whose brilliance shone like that of the sun from his > > > country to ours. These scholars and preceptors through whose > > > benevolence we were once again made cognisant of the presence of > God, > > > introduced to His sacred existence and put on the road of Truth, > had > > > come to our country to preach their religion and impart education > at > > > king Vikramaditya's behest." > > > > > > For those who would like to read the Arabic wording I reproduce it > > > hereunder in Roman script: > > > > > > "Itrashaphai Santu Ibikramatul Phahalameen Karimun Yartapheeha > > > Wayosassaru Bihillahaya Samaini Ela Motakabberen Sihillaha Yuhee > Quid > > > min howa Yapakhara phajjal asari nahone osirom bayjayhalem. Yundan > > > blabin Kajan blnaya khtoryaha sadunya kanateph netephi bejehalin > > > Atadari bilamasa- rateen phakef tasabuhu kaunnieja majekaralhada > > > walador. As hmiman burukankad toluho watastaru hihila > Yakajibaymana > > > balay kulk amarena phaneya jaunabilamary Bikramatum". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jay Gurudev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > <http://rd./SIG=1295q55d0/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D= > groups/S=1705077360:HM/EXP=1085820891/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*htt > p://companion.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > Links > > > > > > * > > > / > > > > > > * > > > > > > <? > subject=Un> > > > > > > * Terms of > > > Service <>. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2004 Report Share Posted June 11, 2004 I am 100% with Nitishji on this... Thanks Dp writemail1 wrote: Dear Nithya, Jai Gurudev! Of course some one should do something about it. In fact ideals like - "a true Hindu should forgive the person who wrote it" forced India into slavery of a thousand years under invading foreign Islamic forces. and then the British. It is because during the bhakti kaal (of course it was right) the people learned to love and forgive, but forgot how to defend themselves. Hindustaan is a Hindu country and Hindus should exercise their right of majority (respecting the minorities as well)! When minorities can ask for their rights, why there are no rights for the majority? Try to preach Hinduism in Arab Emirates! Tell them their religion is not right so take up Hinduism. See if they will forgive such a statement! Of course forgiving is great and should be practiced, but mean people such as the ones running- www.dialogueonline.net take extra advantage of it. I respect every religion, but don't respect those who malign Sanatana Dharma for their selfish gains. These people are 'aparadhis'. Of course they have taken pains to study the scriptures in order to convince people against them. It is even more 'aparadha' as they abuse our Gods and scriptures. May God bless you. Jai Gurudev! Nitesh , "Nithya K" <tutor19us> wrote: I think such insane material should be regulated by somebody!But alas, there is no body to curb this nonsense. but a true Hindu would read all this and forgive the person who has done this. Isnt it? But I must say the writer has taken pains to read the texts and comment on it. God save his soul! Nithya , Dhirendra Pal Singh <dp_singh@s...> wrote: Hi there... I went through the site. Its insane and disgusting... I dont know what else to say or do about it. I did hear from someone that In Mecca and Madina.. they have Shivlingam, and thats why no hindu is allowed.. Is it true... any comments from anyone.. Thanks in anticipation... Regards Dp writemail1 wrote: Dear All, Jai Gurudev!! Recently while searching more articles and info. on Siddhashram, I came across a site called http://www.dialogueonline.net Please have a look at this site that claims to make a comparative study to guide the public to understand their religions better giving quotes from the scriptures. They comment on HInduism and Islam. They say that the difference between between these two groups has been created because of Hindu scriptures and Hindu Gurus. They have not only whole heartedly criticised the Vedas, Bhagwad Gita, Vishnu, Brahma, but the whole Hindu leneage of philosophers, Rishis etc. They say Hinduism if full of contradictions and Vedas are not credible books. On the other hand, they say Islam is the only worthy religion for mankind!!! I think they do not know the existence of black stone Shivalinga at the Mecca and the sanskrit writing on the wall there that says of Vikramaditya's rule that was spread as far as Arabia. Before Islam was established this land had idol worship (supposedly Shiv parivar and the nature Gods) later that was banned and they broke the idols. This tradition still continues to this day and every pilgrim is supposed to throw a stone to the broken idols. The pundits serving there had a vision of Lord Shiva saying that don't serve me here any more since this land will be ruled by 'Malechhs'. The four pundits were sent back. The siddh Shivalinga was hidden under the black cloth so that no hindu can ever take it away. A reason why no Hindu is allowed there. They alway give beef and mutton to eat before entering the shrine. And no Gangajal is allowed. The other end pole of this Shivalinga is the Mahakaaleshwar Linga that is always worshipped and that appeared around the same time. I'll be writing a letter to the rascal editor of this site who has made efforts to study the Holy Hindu scriptures with a view to malign it.He hasn't even got any courage to write his disgraceful name. He writes - 'compiled by DOL team' which I suppose is made up of Shiites and Sunnis. As such I have nothing against any religion. Even Islam, but what right they have to malign the Vedic Culture?? These people have zero Sadhnatmak base and claim to understand God and holy scriptures. They call Vishnu as deceitful and Rigved as confusing and useless!! Please have a look at it. How can we let them spread bad words about Sanatan Dharma? Jai Gurudev. Nitesh Here is some thing to think about: Glancing through some research material recently, historian P.N. Oak was pleasantly surprised to come across a reference to a king Vikramaditya inscription found in the Kaaba in Mecca proving beyond doubt that the Arabian Peninsula formed a part of his Indian Empire. The text of the crucial Vikramaditya inscription, found inscribed on a gold dish hung inside the Kaaba shrine in Mecca, is found recorded on page 315 of a volume known as `Sayar-ul-Okul' treasured in the Makhtab-e-Sultania library in Istanbul, Turkey. Rendered in free English the inscription says: "Fortunate are those who were born (and lived) during king Vikram's reign. He was a noble, generous dutiful ruler, devoted to the welfare of his subjects. But at that time we Arabs, oblivious of God, were lost in sensual pleasures. Plotting and torture were rampant. The darkness of ignorance had enveloped our country. Like the lamb struggling for her life in the cruel paws of a wolf we Arabs were caught up in ignorance. The entire country was enveloped in a darkness so intense as on a new moon night. But the present dawn and pleasant sunshine of education is the result of the favour of the noble king Vikramaditya whose benevolent supervision did not lose sight of us- foreigners as we were. He spread his sacred religion amongst us and sent scholars whose brilliance shone like that of the sun from his country to ours. These scholars and preceptors through whose benevolence we were once again made cognisant of the presence of God, introduced to His sacred existence and put on the road of Truth, had come to our country to preach their religion and impart education at king Vikramaditya's behest." For those who would like to read the Arabic wording I reproduce it hereunder in Roman script: "Itrashaphai Santu Ibikramatul Phahalameen Karimun Yartapheeha Wayosassaru Bihillahaya Samaini Ela Motakabberen Sihillaha Yuhee Quid min howa Yapakhara phajjal asari nahone osirom bayjayhalem. Yundan blabin Kajan blnaya khtoryaha sadunya kanateph netephi bejehalin Atadari bilamasa- rateen phakef tasabuhu kaunnieja majekaralhada walador. As hmiman burukankad toluho watastaru hihila Yakajibaymana balay kulk amarena phaneya jaunabilamary Bikramatum". 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Guest guest Posted June 19, 2004 Report Share Posted June 19, 2004 It is natural to feel angry after redaing that stuff. Also you have said that one should have strength & courage to defend one's honour & deignity. Preaching Hinduism in middle east will result something we dont need to tell each other. we all know. To be angry is not just enough. someone did something and we burn our hearts by thinking about it, and amking ourselves more miserable. My opinio is only that what are we doing about it? is just letting our anger in this way enogh? are we trying to justify to our own mind? are we trying to sympathetic with our helplessness? what happned in history & elaborating reasons for that will help us in present? What action as an individual you took? Any thought or resolve for anything? Are we just happy with putting different philosophies of hinduism in mails? Never mind if the answer for most questions is yes. It is never too late to start on path free from wrongdoing but full of victory & glory without any doubt. No need to feel guilty or helpless when we have the supreme being of Universe with us. Only with us. only with us. Only with us. Pranam Gurudev Dhirendra Pal Singh <dp_singh (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote: I am 100% with Nitishji on this...ThanksDpwritemail1 wrote: Dear Nithya, Jai Gurudev! Of course some one should do something about it. In fact ideals like - "a true Hindu should forgive the person who wrote it" forced India into slavery of a thousand years under invading foreign Islamic forces. and then the British. It is because during the bhakti kaal (of course it was right) the people learned to love and forgive, but forgot how to defend themselves. Hindustaan is a Hindu country and Hindus should exercise their right of majority (respecting the minorities as well)! When minorities can ask for their rights, why there are no rights for the majority? Try to preach Hinduism in Arab Emirates! Tell them their religion is not right so take up Hinduism. See if they will forgive such a statement! Of course forgiving is great and should be practiced, but mean people such as the ones running- www.dialogueonline.net take extra advantage of it. I respect every religion, but don't respect those who malign Sanatana Dharma for their selfish gains. These people are 'aparadhis'. Of course they have taken pains to study the scriptures in order to convince people against them. It is even more 'aparadha' as they abuse our Gods and scriptures. May God bless you. Jai Gurudev! Nitesh , "Nithya K" <tutor19us> wrote: I think such insane material should be regulated by somebody!But alas, there is no body to curb this nonsense. but a true Hindu would read all this and forgive the person who has done this. Isnt it? But I must say the writer has taken pains to read the texts and comment on it. God save his soul! Nithya , Dhirendra Pal Singh <dp_singh@s...> wrote: Hi there... I went through the site. Its insane and disgusting... I dont know what else to say or do about it. I did hear from someone that In Mecca and Madina.. they have Shivlingam, and thats why no hindu is allowed.. Is it true... any comments from anyone.. Thanks in anticipation... Regards Dp writemail1 wrote: Dear All, Jai Gurudev!! Recently while searching more articles and info. on Siddhashram, I came across a site called http://www.dialogueonline.net Please have a look at this site that claims to make a comparative study to guide the public to understand their religions better giving quotes from the scriptures. They comment on HInduism and Islam. They say that the difference between between these two groups has been created because of Hindu scriptures and Hindu Gurus. They have not only whole heartedly criticised the Vedas, Bhagwad Gita, Vishnu, Brahma, but the whole Hindu leneage of philosophers, Rishis etc. They say Hinduism if full of contradictions and Vedas are not credible books. On the other hand, they say Islam is the only worthy religion for mankind!!! I think they do not know the existence of black stone Shivalinga at the Mecca and the sanskrit writing on the wall there that says of Vikramaditya's rule that was spread as far as Arabia. Before Islam was established this land had idol worship (supposedly Shiv parivar and the nature Gods) later that was banned and they broke the idols. This tradition still continues to this day and every pilgrim is supposed to throw a stone to the broken idols. The pundits serving there had a vision of Lord Shiva saying that don't serve me here any more since this land will be ruled by 'Malechhs'. The four pundits were sent back. The siddh Shivalinga was hidden under the black cloth so that no hindu can ever take it away. A reason why no Hindu is allowed there. They alway give beef and mutton to eat before entering the shrine. And no Gangajal is allowed. The other end pole of this Shivalinga is the Mahakaaleshwar Linga that is always worshipped and that appeared around the same time. I'll be writing a letter to the rascal editor of this site who has made efforts to study the Holy Hindu scriptures with a view to malign it.He hasn't even got any courage to write his disgraceful name. He writes - 'compiled by DOL team' which I suppose is made up of Shiites and Sunnis. As such I have nothing against any religion. Even Islam, but what right they have to malign the Vedic Culture?? These people have zero Sadhnatmak base and claim to understand God and holy scriptures. They call Vishnu as deceitful and Rigved as confusing and useless!! Please have a look at it. How can we let them spread bad words about Sanatan Dharma? Jai Gurudev. Nitesh Here is some thing to think about: Glancing through some research material recently, historian P.N. Oak was pleasantly surprised to come across a reference to a king Vikramaditya inscription found in the Kaaba in Mecca proving beyond doubt that the Arabian Peninsula formed a part of his Indian Empire. The text of the crucial Vikramaditya inscription, found inscribed on a gold dish hung inside the Kaaba shrine in Mecca, is found recorded on page 315 of a volume known as `Sayar-ul-Okul' treasured in the Makhtab-e-Sultania library in Istanbul, Turkey. Rendered in free English the inscription says: "Fortunate are those who were born (and lived) during king Vikram's reign. He was a noble, generous dutiful ruler, devoted to the welfare of his subjects. But at that time we Arabs, oblivious of God, were lost in sensual pleasures. Plotting and torture were rampant. The darkness of ignorance had enveloped our country. Like the lamb struggling for her life in the cruel paws of a wolf we Arabs were caught up in ignorance. The entire country was enveloped in a darkness so intense as on a new moon night. But the present dawn and pleasant sunshine of education is the result of the favour of the noble king Vikramaditya whose benevolent supervision did not lose sight of us- foreigners as we were. He spread his sacred religion amongst us and sent scholars whose brilliance shone like that of the sun from his country to ours. These scholars and preceptors through whose benevolence we were once again made cognisant of the presence of God, introduced to His sacred existence and put on the road of Truth, had come to our country to preach their religion and impart education at king Vikramaditya's behest." For those who would like to read the Arabic wording I reproduce it hereunder in Roman script: "Itrashaphai Santu Ibikramatul Phahalameen Karimun Yartapheeha Wayosassaru Bihillahaya Samaini Ela Motakabberen Sihillaha Yuhee Quid min howa Yapakhara phajjal asari nahone osirom bayjayhalem. Yundan blabin Kajan blnaya khtoryaha sadunya kanateph netephi bejehalin Atadari bilamasa- rateen phakef tasabuhu kaunnieja majekaralhada walador. As hmiman burukankad toluho watastaru hihila Yakajibaymana balay kulk amarena phaneya jaunabilamary Bikramatum". Jay Gurudev<http://rd./SIG=1295q55d0/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D= groups/S=1705077360:HM/EXP=1085820891/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*htt p://companion.> ------* / * <? subject=Un> * Terms of Service <>. ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. 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Guest guest Posted June 22, 2004 Report Share Posted June 22, 2004 Hello Mr Sharma, With all due respect sir, I think there isnt much we ( at least I ) can do about it.. While I may not like it, but I cant control it either, it free will and we all know that todays world is free... Do you have any idea then please share... as to be honest I am empty... Thanks and Reagrds Dp ajay sharma wrote: Dear brothers, It is natural to feel angry after redaing that stuff. Also you have said that one should have strength & courage to defend one's honour & deignity. Preaching Hinduism in middle east will result something we dont need to tell each other. we all know. To be angry is not just enough. someone did something and we burn our hearts by thinking about it, and amking ourselves more miserable. My opinio is only that what are we doing about it? is just letting our anger in this way enogh? are we trying to justify to our own mind? are we trying to sympathetic with our helplessness? what happned in history & elaborating reasons for that will help us in present? What action as an individual you took? Any thought or resolve for anything? Are we just happy with putting different philosophies of hinduism in mails? Never mind if the answer for most questions is yes. It is never too late to start on path free from wrongdoing but full of victory & glory without any doubt. No need to feel guilty or helpless when we have the supreme being of Universe with us. Only with us. only with us. Only with us. Pranam Gurudev Dhirendra Pal Singh <dp_singh (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote: I am 100% with Nitishji on this... Thanks Dp writemail1 wrote: Dear Nithya, Jai Gurudev! Of course some one should do something about it. In fact ideals like - "a true Hindu should forgive the person who wrote it" forced India into slavery of a thousand years under invading foreign Islamic forces. and then the British. It is because during the bhakti kaal (of course it was right) the people learned to love and forgive, but forgot how to defend themselves. Hindustaan is a Hindu country and Hindus should exercise their right of majority (respecting the minorities as well)! When minorities can ask for their rights, why there are no rights for the majority? Try to preach Hinduism in Arab Emirates! Tell them their religion is not right so take up Hinduism. See if they will forgive such a statement! Of course forgiving is great and should be practiced, but mean people such as the ones running- www.dialogueonline.net take extra advantage of it. I respect every religion, but don't respect those who malign Sanatana Dharma for their selfish gains. These people are 'aparadhis'. Of course they have taken pains to study the scriptures in order to convince people against them. It is even more 'aparadha' as they abuse our Gods and scriptures. May God bless you. Jai Gurudev! Nitesh , "Nithya K" <tutor19us> wrote: I think such insane material should be regulated by somebody!But alas, there is no body to curb this nonsense. but a true Hindu would read all this and forgive the person who has done this. Isnt it? But I must say the writer has taken pains to read the texts and comment on it. God save his soul! Nithya , Dhirendra Pal Singh <dp_singh@s...> wrote: Hi there... I went through the site. Its insane and disgusting... I dont know what else to say or do about it. I did hear from someone that In Mecca and Madina.. they have Shivlingam, and thats why no hindu is allowed.. Is it true... any comments from anyone.. Thanks in anticipation... Regards Dp writemail1 wrote: Dear All, Jai Gurudev!! Recently while searching more articles and info. on Siddhashram, I came across a site called http://www.dialogueonline.net Please have a look at this site that claims to make a comparative study to guide the public to understand their religions better giving quotes from the scriptures. They comment on HInduism and Islam. They say that the difference between between these two groups has been created because of Hindu scriptures and Hindu Gurus. They have not only whole heartedly criticised the Vedas, Bhagwad Gita, Vishnu, Brahma, but the whole Hindu leneage of philosophers, Rishis etc. They say Hinduism if full of contradictions and Vedas are not credible books. On the other hand, they say Islam is the only worthy religion for mankind!!! I think they do not know the existence of black stone Shivalinga at the Mecca and the sanskrit writing on the wall there that says of Vikramaditya's rule that was spread as far as Arabia. Before Islam was established this land had idol worship (supposedly Shiv parivar and the nature Gods) later that was banned and they broke the idols. This tradition still continues to this day and every pilgrim is supposed to throw a stone to the broken idols. The pundits serving there had a vision of Lord Shiva saying that don't serve me here any more since this land will be ruled by 'Malechhs'. The four pundits were sent back. The siddh Shivalinga was hidden under the black cloth so that no hindu can ever take it away. A reason why no Hindu is allowed there. They alway give beef and mutton to eat before entering the shrine. And no Gangajal is allowed. The other end pole of this Shivalinga is the Mahakaaleshwar Linga that is always worshipped and that appeared around the same time. I'll be writing a letter to the rascal editor of this site who has made efforts to study the Holy Hindu scriptures with a view to malign it.He hasn't even got any courage to write his disgraceful name. He writes - 'compiled by DOL team' which I suppose is made up of Shiites and Sunnis. As such I have nothing against any religion. Even Islam, but what right they have to malign the Vedic Culture?? These people have zero Sadhnatmak base and claim to understand God and holy scriptures. They call Vishnu as deceitful and Rigved as confusing and useless!! Please have a look at it. How can we let them spread bad words about Sanatan Dharma? Jai Gurudev. Nitesh Here is some thing to think about: Glancing through some research material recently, historian P.N. Oak was pleasantly surprised to come across a reference to a king Vikramaditya inscription found in the Kaaba in Mecca proving beyond doubt that the Arabian Peninsula formed a part of his Indian Empire. The text of the crucial Vikramaditya inscription, found inscribed on a gold dish hung inside the Kaaba shrine in Mecca, is found recorded on page 315 of a volume known as `Sayar-ul-Okul' treasured in the Makhtab-e-Sultania library in Istanbul, Turkey. Rendered in free English the inscription says: "Fortunate are those who were born (and lived) during king Vikram's reign. He was a noble, generous dutiful ruler, devoted to the welfare of his subjects. But at that time we Arabs, oblivious of God, were lost in sensual pleasures. Plotting and torture were rampant. The darkness of ignorance had enveloped our country. Like the lamb struggling for her life in the cruel paws of a wolf we Arabs were caught up in ignorance. The entire country was enveloped in a darkness so intense as on a new moon night. But the present dawn and pleasant sunshine of education is the result of the favour of the noble king Vikramaditya whose benevolent supervision did not lose sight of us- foreigners as we were. He spread his sacred religion amongst us and sent scholars whose brilliance shone like that of the sun from his country to ours. These scholars and preceptors through whose benevolence we were once again made cognisant of the presence of God, introduced to His sacred existence and put on the road of Truth, had come to our country to preach their religion and impart education at king Vikramaditya's behest." For those who would like to read the Arabic wording I reproduce it hereunder in Roman script: "Itrashaphai Santu Ibikramatul Phahalameen Karimun Yartapheeha Wayosassaru Bihillahaya Samaini Ela Motakabberen Sihillaha Yuhee Quid min howa Yapakhara phajjal asari nahone osirom bayjayhalem. Yundan blabin Kajan blnaya khtoryaha sadunya kanateph netephi bejehalin Atadari bilamasa- rateen phakef tasabuhu kaunnieja majekaralhada walador. As hmiman burukankad toluho watastaru hihila Yakajibaymana balay kulk amarena phaneya jaunabilamary Bikramatum". 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Guest guest Posted June 24, 2004 Report Share Posted June 24, 2004 I would like to know how you define free will? If you put your thoughts a bit elaborately then it will be easier to understand your perspective. What makes you think that world is more free today than it was earlier? If possible please put your thoughts in detail. Surely I would like to share my thoughts. It would help me if I know how my fellow thinkers see the definitions of particular words or look at a particular incident. pranam gurudev Dhirendra Pal Singh <dp_singh (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote: Hello Mr Sharma,With all due respect sir, I think there isnt much we ( at least I ) can do about it..While I may not like it, but I cant control it either, it free will and we all know that todays world is free...Do you have any idea then please share... as to be honest I am empty...Thanks and ReagrdsDpajay sharma wrote: Dear brothers, It is natural to feel angry after redaing that stuff. Also you have said that one should have strength & courage to defend one's honour & deignity. Preaching Hinduism in middle east will result something we dont need to tell each other. we all know. To be angry is not just enough. someone did something and we burn our hearts by thinking about it, and amking ourselves more miserable. My opinio is only that what are we doing about it? is just letting our anger in this way enogh? are we trying to justify to our own mind? are we trying to sympathetic with our helplessness? what happned in history & elaborating reasons for that will help us in present? What action as an individual you took? Any thought or resolve for anything? Are we just happy with putting different philosophies of hinduism in mails? Never mind if the answer for most questions is yes. It is never too late to start on path free from wrongdoing but full of victory & glory without any doubt. No need to feel guilty or helpless when we have the supreme being of Universe with us. Only with us. only with us. Only with us. Pranam Gurudev Dhirendra Pal Singh <dp_singh (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote: I am 100% with Nitishji on this...ThanksDpwritemail1 wrote: Dear Nithya, Jai Gurudev! Of course some one should do something about it. In fact ideals like - "a true Hindu should forgive the person who wrote it" forced India into slavery of a thousand years under invading foreign Islamic forces. and then the British. It is because during the bhakti kaal (of course it was right) the people learned to love and forgive, but forgot how to defend themselves. Hindustaan is a Hindu country and Hindus should exercise their right of majority (respecting the minorities as well)! When minorities can ask for their rights, why there are no rights for the majority? Try to preach Hinduism in Arab Emirates! Tell them their religion is not right so take up Hinduism. See if they will forgive such a statement! Of course forgiving is great and should be practiced, but mean people such as the ones running- www.dialogueonline.net take extra advantage of it. I respect every religion, but don't respect those who malign Sanatana Dharma for their selfish gains. These people are 'aparadhis'. Of course they have taken pains to study the scriptures in order to convince people against them. It is even more 'aparadha' as they abuse our Gods and scriptures. May God bless you. Jai Gurudev! Nitesh , "Nithya K" <tutor19us> wrote: I think such insane material should be regulated by somebody!But alas, there is no body to curb this nonsense. but a true Hindu would read all this and forgive the person who has done this. Isnt it? But I must say the writer has taken pains to read the texts and comment on it. God save his soul! Nithya , Dhirendra Pal Singh <dp_singh@s...> wrote: Hi there... I went through the site. Its insane and disgusting... I dont know what else to say or do about it. I did hear from someone that In Mecca and Madina.. they have Shivlingam, and thats why no hindu is allowed.. Is it true... any comments from anyone.. Thanks in anticipation... Regards Dp writemail1 wrote: Dear All, Jai Gurudev!! Recently while searching more articles and info. on Siddhashram, I came across a site called http://www.dialogueonline.net Please have a look at this site that claims to make a comparative study to guide the public to understand their religions better giving quotes from the scriptures. They comment on HInduism and Islam. They say that the difference between between these two groups has been created because of Hindu scriptures and Hindu Gurus. They have not only whole heartedly criticised the Vedas, Bhagwad Gita, Vishnu, Brahma, but the whole Hindu leneage of philosophers, Rishis etc. They say Hinduism if full of contradictions and Vedas are not credible books. On the other hand, they say Islam is the only worthy religion for mankind!!! I think they do not know the existence of black stone Shivalinga at the Mecca and the sanskrit writing on the wall there that says of Vikramaditya's rule that was spread as far as Arabia. Before Islam was established this land had idol worship (supposedly Shiv parivar and the nature Gods) later that was banned and they broke the idols. This tradition still continues to this day and every pilgrim is supposed to throw a stone to the broken idols. The pundits serving there had a vision of Lord Shiva saying that don't serve me here any more since this land will be ruled by 'Malechhs'. The four pundits were sent back. The siddh Shivalinga was hidden under the black cloth so that no hindu can ever take it away. A reason why no Hindu is allowed there. They alway give beef and mutton to eat before entering the shrine. And no Gangajal is allowed. The other end pole of this Shivalinga is the Mahakaaleshwar Linga that is always worshipped and that appeared around the same time. I'll be writing a letter to the rascal editor of this site who has made efforts to study the Holy Hindu scriptures with a view to malign it.He hasn't even got any courage to write his disgraceful name. He writes - 'compiled by DOL team' which I suppose is made up of Shiites and Sunnis. As such I have nothing against any religion. Even Islam, but what right they have to malign the Vedic Culture?? These people have zero Sadhnatmak base and claim to understand God and holy scriptures. They call Vishnu as deceitful and Rigved as confusing and useless!! Please have a look at it. How can we let them spread bad words about Sanatan Dharma? Jai Gurudev. Nitesh Here is some thing to think about: Glancing through some research material recently, historian P.N. Oak was pleasantly surprised to come across a reference to a king Vikramaditya inscription found in the Kaaba in Mecca proving beyond doubt that the Arabian Peninsula formed a part of his Indian Empire. The text of the crucial Vikramaditya inscription, found inscribed on a gold dish hung inside the Kaaba shrine in Mecca, is found recorded on page 315 of a volume known as `Sayar-ul-Okul' treasured in the Makhtab-e-Sultania library in Istanbul, Turkey. Rendered in free English the inscription says: "Fortunate are those who were born (and lived) during king Vikram's reign. He was a noble, generous dutiful ruler, devoted to the welfare of his subjects. But at that time we Arabs, oblivious of God, were lost in sensual pleasures. Plotting and torture were rampant. The darkness of ignorance had enveloped our country. Like the lamb struggling for her life in the cruel paws of a wolf we Arabs were caught up in ignorance. The entire country was enveloped in a darkness so intense as on a new moon night. But the present dawn and pleasant sunshine of education is the result of the favour of the noble king Vikramaditya whose benevolent supervision did not lose sight of us- foreigners as we were. He spread his sacred religion amongst us and sent scholars whose brilliance shone like that of the sun from his country to ours. These scholars and preceptors through whose benevolence we were once again made cognisant of the presence of God, introduced to His sacred existence and put on the road of Truth, had come to our country to preach their religion and impart education at king Vikramaditya's behest." For those who would like to read the Arabic wording I reproduce it hereunder in Roman script: "Itrashaphai Santu Ibikramatul Phahalameen Karimun Yartapheeha Wayosassaru Bihillahaya Samaini Ela Motakabberen Sihillaha Yuhee Quid min howa Yapakhara phajjal asari nahone osirom bayjayhalem. Yundan blabin Kajan blnaya khtoryaha sadunya kanateph netephi bejehalin Atadari bilamasa- rateen phakef tasabuhu kaunnieja majekaralhada walador. As hmiman burukankad toluho watastaru hihila Yakajibaymana balay kulk amarena phaneya jaunabilamary Bikramatum". 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Guest guest Posted June 25, 2004 Report Share Posted June 25, 2004 Dear Ajay, Dhirendra Pal ji and other brothers, Jai Gurudev! Let me express what I feel about free world. Its a place where people respect each other's rights and freedom of expression. At least that is what we have been discussing. But friction arises when people stop to do that, which always happens. Perhaps, its not as free a world as we would like it to be! Anyway, the point is, and as has been given to us by our revered Gurudev, we do not harm anyone and follow a path of peace, but at the same time we don't let anyone harm us! Besides our personal interestes, we do have a wider interest as a society and as a community. A Hindu community. A sadhak community with some social obligations too. In the case of the site pouring venom on hindus(www.dialogueonline.com), it is a one sided, deliberate, pre-planned, pre-funded and dirty attack on this community. Its a venture specially directed towardes abusing and maligning all the Hindus. We have two stands in this case. 1. Barking dogs don't really affect the moving carvan. Its their job to bark. They did everything they could in the past 900 years, but still Hinduism was there, is flourishing and will always be there no matter what! 2. They should be exposed and brought to light. To the knowledge of radical Hindu organizations that are active (thank God) in India to protect its heritage from such rascals. Though these organizations are more political and use religion as a shield, but still they do some good work too in the name of Hindus. Well, here I've reported it to the Bajrang Dal and Shiv Sena. Hope they will take some action. As soon as I find time, Iam going to write back to the editor of this disgraceful site and give him a mindful, and tell him to close it down otherwise there will be bad consequences.(that's a different thing wherther he will listen or not). At least thats what I'm planning for now! What about you? Please stay in touch! Jai Gurudev , ajay sharma <a_sh_r> wrote: > Dear brothers, > > I would like to know how you define free will? If you put your thoughts a bit elaborately then it will be easier to understand your perspective. > What makes you think that world is more free today than it was earlier? > > If possible please put your thoughts in detail. Surely I would like to share my thoughts. It would help me if I know how my fellow thinkers see the definitions of particular words or look at a particular incident. > > pranam gurudev > > > > > Dhirendra Pal Singh <dp_singh@s...> wrote: > Hello Mr Sharma, > With all due respect sir, I think there isnt much we ( at least I ) can do about it.. > While I may not like it, but I cant control it either, it free will and we all know that todays world is free... > > Do you have any idea then please share... as to be honest I am empty... > > Thanks and Reagrds > Dp > > > ajay sharma wrote: > Dear brothers, > > It is natural to feel angry after redaing that stuff. Also you have said that one should have strength & courage to defend one's honour & deignity. > Preaching Hinduism in middle east will result something we dont need to tell each other. we all know. To be angry is not just enough. someone did something and we burn our hearts by thinking about it, and amking ourselves more miserable. > My opinio is only that what are we doing about it? is just letting our anger in this way enogh? are we trying to justify to our own mind? are we trying to sympathetic with our helplessness? what happned in history & elaborating reasons for that will help us in present? What action as an individual you took? Any thought or resolve for anything? Are we just happy with putting different philosophies of hinduism in mails? > > Never mind if the answer for most questions is yes. > It is never too late to start on path free from wrongdoing but full of victory & glory without any doubt. No need to feel guilty or helpless when we have the supreme being of Universe with us. Only with us. only with us. Only with us. > > Pranam Gurudev > > Dhirendra Pal Singh <dp_singh@s...> wrote: I am 100% with Nitishji on this... > > Thanks > Dp > > > writemail1 wrote: > > Dear Nithya,Jai Gurudev!Of course some one should do something about it. In fact ideals like -"a true Hindu should forgive the person who wrote it" forced Indiainto slavery of a thousand years under invading foreign Islamicforces. and then the British. It is because during the bhakti kaal (ofcourse it was right) the people learned to love and forgive, butforgot how to defend themselves. Hindustaan is a Hindu country andHindus should exercise their right of majority (respecting theminorities as well)! When minorities can ask for their rights, whythere are no rights for the majority? Try to preach Hinduism in ArabEmirates! Tell them their religion is not right so take up Hinduism.See if they will forgive such a statement!Of course forgiving is great and should be practiced, but mean people such as the ones running- www.dialogueonline.net take extraadvantage of it.I respect every religion, but don't respect those who malign SanatanaDharma for their selfish gains. These people are > 'aparadhis'. Ofcourse they have taken pains to study the scriptures in order toconvince people against them. It is even more 'aparadha' as they abuseour Gods and scriptures.May God bless you. Jai Gurudev!Nitesh, "Nithya K" <tutor19us> wrote: > > I think such insane material should be regulated by somebody!But alas, there is no body to curb this nonsense.but a true Hindu would read all this and forgive the person who has done this. Isnt it?But I must say the writer has taken pains to read the texts and comment on it. God save his soul!Nithya , Dhirendra Pal Singh <dp_singh@s...> wrote: > > Hi there...I went through the site. Its insane and disgusting...I dont know what else to say or do about it.I did hear from someone that In Mecca and Madina.. they have > > Shivlingam, > > and thats why no hindu is allowed..Is it true... any comments from anyone..Thanks in anticipation...RegardsDpwritemail1 wrote: > > Dear All,Jai Gurudev!!Recently while searching more articles and info. on Siddhashram, Icame across a site called http://www.dialogueonline.netPlease have a look at this site that claims to make a comparativestudy to guide the public to understand their religions better > > giving > > quotes from the scriptures. They comment on HInduism and Islam.They say that the difference between between these two groups has > > been > > created because of Hindu scriptures and Hindu Gurus.They have not only whole heartedly criticised the Vedas, Bhagwad > > Gita, > > Vishnu, Brahma, but the whole Hindu leneage of philosophers, > > Rishis etc. > > They say Hinduism if full of contradictions and Vedas are not > > credible > > books. On the other hand, they say Islam is the only worthy > > religion > > for mankind!!!I think they do not know the existence of black stone Shivalinga > > at > > the Mecca and the sanskrit writing on the wall there that says ofVikramaditya's rule that was spread as far as Arabia. Before > > Islam was > > established this land had idol worship (supposedly Shiv parivar > > and > > the nature Gods) later that was banned and they broke the idols. > > This > > tradition still continues to this day and every pilgrim is > > supposed to > > throw a stone to the broken idols. The pundits serving there had avision of Lord Shiva saying that don't serve me here any more > > since > > this land will be ruled by 'Malechhs'. The four pundits were sentback. The siddh Shivalinga was hidden under the black cloth so > > that no > > hindu can ever take it away. A reason why no Hindu is allowed > > there. > > They alway give beef and mutton to eat before entering the > > shrine. And > > no Gangajal is allowed. The other end pole of this Shivalinga is > > the > > Mahakaaleshwar Linga that is always worshipped and that appearedaround the same time.I'll be writing a letter to the rascal editor of this site who hasmade efforts to study the Holy Hindu scriptures with a view to > > malign > > it.He hasn't even got any courage to write his disgraceful name. > > He > > writes - 'compiled by DOL team' which I suppose is made up of > > Shiites > > and Sunnis.As such I have nothing against any religion. Even Islam, but whatright they have to malign the Vedic Culture?? These people have > > zero > > Sadhnatmak base and claim to understand God and holy scriptures. > > They > > call Vishnu as deceitful and Rigved as confusing and useless!!Please have a look at it. How can we let them spread bad words > > about > > Sanatan Dharma?Jai Gurudev.NiteshHere is some thing to think about:Glancing through some research material recently, historian P.N. > > Oak > > was pleasantly surprised to come across a reference to a kingVikramaditya inscription found in the Kaaba in Mecca proving > > beyond > > doubt that the Arabian Peninsula formed a part of his Indian > > Empire. > > The text of the crucial Vikramaditya inscription, found inscribed > > on a > > gold dish hung inside the Kaaba shrine in Mecca, is found > > recorded on > > page 315 of a volume known as `Sayar-ul-Okul' treasured in theMakhtab-e-Sultania library in Istanbul, Turkey. Rendered in freeEnglish the inscription says:"Fortunate are those who were born (and lived) during king > > Vikram's > > reign. He was a noble, generous dutiful ruler, devoted to the > > welfare > > of his subjects. But at that time we Arabs, oblivious of God, werelost in sensual pleasures. Plotting and torture were rampant. Thedarkness of ignorance had enveloped our country. Like the lambstruggling for her life in the cruel paws of a wolf we Arabs werecaught up in ignorance. The entire country was enveloped in a > > darkness > > so intense as on a new moon night. But the present dawn and > > pleasant > > sunshine of education is the result of the favour of the noble > > king > > Vikramaditya whose benevolent supervision did not lose sight of > > us- > > foreigners as we were. He spread his sacred religion amongst us > > and > > sent scholars whose brilliance shone like that of the sun from hiscountry to ours. These scholars and preceptors through whosebenevolence we were once again made cognisant of the presence of > > God, > > introduced to His sacred existence and put on the road of Truth, > > had > > come to our country to preach their religion and impart education > > at > > king Vikramaditya's behest."For those who would like to read the Arabic wording I reproduce ithereunder in Roman script:"Itrashaphai Santu Ibikramatul Phahalameen Karimun YartapheehaWayosassaru Bihillahaya Samaini Ela Motakabberen Sihillaha Yuhee > > Quid > > min howa Yapakhara phajjal asari nahone osirom bayjayhalem. Yundanblabin Kajan blnaya khtoryaha sadunya kanateph netephi bejehalinAtadari bilamasa- rateen phakef tasabuhu kaunnieja majekaralhadawalador. 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Guest guest Posted June 28, 2004 Report Share Posted June 28, 2004 Dear Brothers , Hinduism is tortured every part on this world . This should be stoped . He should be bought to books . Is it possible to close the website which is insulting hinduism ? thanks , Sreekumar --- writemail1 <writemail1 wrote: Dear Ajay, Dhirendra Pal ji and other brothers, Jai Gurudev! Let me express what I feel about free world. Its a place where people respect each other's rights and freedom of expression. At least that is what we have been discussing. But friction arises when people stop to do that, which always happens. Perhaps, its not as free a world as we would like it to be! Anyway, the point is, and as has been given to us by our revered Gurudev, we do not harm anyone and follow a path of peace, but at the same time we don't let anyone harm us! Besides our personal interestes, we do have a wider interest as a society and as a community. A Hindu community. A sadhak community with some social obligations too. In the case of the site pouring venom on hindus(www.dialogueonline.com), it is a one sided, deliberate, pre-planned, pre-funded and dirty attack on this community. Its a venture specially directed towardes abusing and maligning all the Hindus. We have two stands in this case. 1. Barking dogs don't really affect the moving carvan. Its their job to bark. They did everything they could in the past 900 years, but still Hinduism was there, is flourishing and will always be there no matter what! 2. They should be exposed and brought to light. To the knowledge of radical Hindu organizations that are active (thank God) in India to protect its heritage from such rascals. Though these organizations are more political and use religion as a shield, but still they do some good work too in the name of Hindus. Well, here I've reported it to the Bajrang Dal and Shiv Sena. Hope they will take some action. As soon as I find time, Iam going to write back to the editor of this disgraceful site and give him a mindful, and tell him to close it down otherwise there will be bad consequences.(that's a different thing wherther he will listen or not). At least thats what I'm planning for now! What about you? Please stay in touch! Jai Gurudev , ajay sharma <a_sh_r> wrote: > Dear brothers, > > I would like to know how you define free will? If you put your thoughts a bit elaborately then it will be easier to understand your perspective. > What makes you think that world is more free today than it was earlier? > > If possible please put your thoughts in detail. Surely I would like to share my thoughts. It would help me if I know how my fellow thinkers see the definitions of particular words or look at a particular incident. > > pranam gurudev > > > > > Dhirendra Pal Singh <dp_singh@s...> wrote: > Hello Mr Sharma, > With all due respect sir, I think there isnt much we ( at least I ) can do about it.. > While I may not like it, but I cant control it either, it free will and we all know that todays world is free... > > Do you have any idea then please share... as to be honest I am empty... > > Thanks and Reagrds > Dp > > > ajay sharma wrote: > Dear brothers, > > It is natural to feel angry after redaing that stuff. Also you have said that one should have strength & courage to defend one's honour & deignity. > Preaching Hinduism in middle east will result something we dont need to tell each other. we all know. To be angry is not just enough. someone did something and we burn our hearts by thinking about it, and amking ourselves more miserable. > My opinio is only that what are we doing about it? is just letting our anger in this way enogh? are we trying to justify to our own mind? are we trying to sympathetic with our helplessness? what happned in history & elaborating reasons for that will help us in present? What action as an individual you took? Any thought or resolve for anything? Are we just happy with putting different philosophies of hinduism in mails? > > Never mind if the answer for most questions is yes. > It is never too late to start on path free from wrongdoing but full of victory & glory without any doubt. No need to feel guilty or helpless when we have the supreme being of Universe with us. Only with us. only with us. Only with us. > > Pranam Gurudev > > Dhirendra Pal Singh <dp_singh@s...> wrote: I am 100% with Nitishji on this... > > Thanks > Dp > > > writemail1 wrote: > > Dear Nithya,Jai Gurudev!Of course some one should do something about it. In fact ideals like -"a true Hindu should forgive the person who wrote it" forced Indiainto slavery of a thousand years under invading foreign Islamicforces. and then the British. It is because during the bhakti kaal (ofcourse it was right) the people learned to love and forgive, butforgot how to defend themselves. Hindustaan is a Hindu country andHindus should exercise their right of majority (respecting theminorities as well)! When minorities can ask for their rights, whythere are no rights for the majority? Try to preach Hinduism in ArabEmirates! Tell them their religion is not right so take up Hinduism.See if they will forgive such a statement!Of course forgiving is great and should be practiced, but mean people such as the ones running- www.dialogueonline.net take extraadvantage of it.I respect every religion, but don't respect those who malign SanatanaDharma for their selfish gains. These people are > 'aparadhis'. Ofcourse they have taken pains to study the scriptures in order toconvince people against them. It is even more 'aparadha' as they abuseour Gods and scriptures.May God bless you. Jai Gurudev!Nitesh, "Nithya K" <tutor19us> wrote: > > I think such insane material should be regulated by somebody!But alas, there is no body to curb this nonsense.but a true Hindu would read all this and forgive the person who has done this. Isnt it?But I must say the writer has taken pains to read the texts and comment on it. God save his soul!Nithya --- In , Dhirendra Pal Singh <dp_singh@s...> wrote: > > Hi there...I went through the site. Its insane and disgusting...I dont know what else to say or do about it.I did hear from someone that In Mecca and Madina.. they have > > Shivlingam, > > and thats why no hindu is allowed..Is it true... any comments from anyone..Thanks in anticipation...RegardsDpwritemail1 wrote: > > Dear All,Jai Gurudev!!Recently while searching more articles and info. on Siddhashram, Icame across a site called http://www.dialogueonline.netPlease have a look at this site that claims to make a comparativestudy to guide the public to understand their religions better > > giving > > quotes from the scriptures. They comment on HInduism and Islam.They say that the difference between between these two groups has > > been > > created because of Hindu scriptures and Hindu Gurus.They have not only whole heartedly criticised the Vedas, Bhagwad > > Gita, > > Vishnu, Brahma, but the whole Hindu leneage of philosophers, > > Rishis etc. > > They say Hinduism if full of contradictions and Vedas are not > > credible > > books. On the other hand, they say Islam is the only worthy > > religion > > for mankind!!!I think they do not know the existence of black stone Shivalinga > > at > > the Mecca and the sanskrit writing on the wall there that says ofVikramaditya's rule that was spread as far as Arabia. Before > > Islam was > > established this land had idol worship (supposedly Shiv parivar > > and > > the nature Gods) later that was banned and they broke the idols. > > This > > tradition still continues to this day and every pilgrim is > > supposed to > > throw a stone to the broken idols. The pundits serving there had avision of Lord Shiva saying that don't serve me here any more > > since > > this land will be ruled by 'Malechhs'. The four pundits were sentback. The siddh Shivalinga was hidden under the black cloth so > > that no > > hindu can ever take it away. A reason why no Hindu is allowed > > there. > > They alway give beef and mutton to eat before entering the > > shrine. And > > no Gangajal is allowed. The other end pole of this Shivalinga is > > the > > Mahakaaleshwar Linga that is always worshipped and that appearedaround the same time.I'll be writing a letter to the rascal editor of this site who hasmade efforts to study the Holy Hindu scriptures with a view to > > malign > > it.He hasn't even got any courage to write his disgraceful name. > > He > > writes - 'compiled by DOL team' which I suppose is made up of > > Shiites > > and Sunnis.As such I have nothing against any religion. Even Islam, but whatright they have to malign the Vedic Culture?? These people have > > zero > > Sadhnatmak base and claim to understand God and holy scriptures. > > They > > call Vishnu as deceitful and Rigved as confusing and useless!!Please have a look at it. How can we let them spread bad words > > about > > Sanatan Dharma?Jai Gurudev.NiteshHere is some thing to think about:Glancing through some research material recently, historian P.N. > > Oak > > was pleasantly surprised to come across a reference to a kingVikramaditya inscription found in the Kaaba in Mecca proving > > beyond > > doubt that the Arabian Peninsula formed a part of his Indian > > Empire. > > The text of the crucial Vikramaditya inscription, found inscribed > > on a > > gold dish hung inside the Kaaba shrine in Mecca, is found > > recorded on > > page 315 of a volume known as `Sayar-ul-Okul' treasured in theMakhtab-e-Sultania library in Istanbul, Turkey. Rendered in freeEnglish the inscription says:"Fortunate are those who were born (and lived) during king > > Vikram's > > reign. He was a noble, generous dutiful ruler, devoted to the > > welfare > > of his subjects. But at that time we Arabs, oblivious of God, werelost in sensual pleasures. Plotting and torture were rampant. Thedarkness of ignorance had enveloped our country. Like the lambstruggling for her life in the cruel paws of a wolf we Arabs werecaught up in ignorance. The entire country was enveloped in a > > darkness > > so intense as on a new moon night. But the present dawn and > > pleasant > > sunshine of education is the result of the favour of the noble > > king > > Vikramaditya whose benevolent supervision did not lose sight of > > us- > > foreigners as we were. He spread his sacred religion amongst us > > and > > sent scholars whose brilliance shone like that of the sun from hiscountry to ours. These scholars and preceptors through whosebenevolence we were once again made cognisant of the presence of > > God, > > introduced to His sacred existence and put on the road of Truth, > > had > > come to our country to preach their religion and impart education > > at > > king Vikramaditya's behest."For those who would like to read the Arabic wording I reproduce ithereunder in Roman script:"Itrashaphai Santu Ibikramatul Phahalameen Karimun YartapheehaWayosassaru Bihillahaya Samaini Ela Motakabberen Sihillaha Yuhee > > Quid > > min howa Yapakhara phajjal asari nahone osirom bayjayhalem. Yundanblabin Kajan blnaya khtoryaha sadunya kanateph netephi bejehalinAtadari bilamasa- rateen phakef tasabuhu kaunnieja majekaralhadawalador. 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Guest guest Posted July 4, 2004 Report Share Posted July 4, 2004 Dear Brother, Some words are easier said than explained in proper manner & I put the word "free will" in that category. Freedom of expression can be result of " Free will" but is not the only way in which free will expresses itself. Just take an example. Our love for Hindu organisations like bajrang Dal & Shiv sena found an expression through a medium which is anonymous & it is difficult to ascertain the Identity of person expressing his/her views.We would not have expressed these sentiments for Bajrang Dal while standing on the stairs of Jama Masjid in Delhi. It means we did not act or express our views under the influence of "free will", because there is something which is limiting us from expressing our views wherever we want . Anything which is limited by time & circumstances can not be called "free will" or its expression. We can see some examples of free will in nature. Water does not change its qualities in house of a Hindu or Muslim or christian or sikh. Therefore qaulities of water are not limited by time,place or circumstances. Therefore any thing similar to these qualities can qualify to be called " Free will". Personally I liked organisation like shiv sena & bajrang Dal. After seeing the BJP rule and their lame excuses for not being able to carry out their ideology now I feel that even the communists are better than these felows. Classical Communism has been wiped out world over but still in India we can find dedicated communists. They follow an Ideology and are not apologetic about it. If we these hindu organisations can provide respect to Hindus then we are mistaken. I did not happen in the past & will not happen in future. One more example from mtyv magazine. Adi Shankracharya's gurus asked for the restoration of sanatam Dharma and defeat of Buddhism as his Gurudakshina. Adi Shankracharya Single handed did that and fulfilled his promise of Gurudakshina. Here we are lacs & lacs of Nikhil shishyas. A few of them have so hopelessly expressed their views about their inability to do anything. If you put something even higher than your life then why dont you do any sadhna for it? Before doing sadhan you start saying- Will it work? , I am one single person , what can I do? etc. etc. Doing sadhnas as told by gurudev is the remedy to all these problems, that is what I believe. I do the same what I belive. It is simple, fruitful & unmatchable. Pranam Gurudev. writemail1 <writemail1 > wrote: Dear Ajay, Dhirendra Pal ji and other brothers,Jai Gurudev!Let me express what I feel about free world. Its a place where peoplerespect each other's rights and freedom of expression. At least thatis what we have been discussing. But friction arises when people stopto do that, which always happens. Perhaps, its not as free a world aswe would like it to be! Anyway, the point is, and as has been given tous by our revered Gurudev, we do not harm anyone and follow a path ofpeace, but at the same time we don't let anyone harm us!Besides our personal interestes, we do have a wider interest as asociety and as a community. A Hindu community. A sadhak community withsome social obligations too. In the case of the site pouring venom onhindus(www.dialogueonline.com), it is a one sided, deliberate,pre-planned, pre-funded and dirty attack on this community. Its aventure specially directed towardes abusing and maligning all the Hindus. We have two stands in this case.1. Barking dogs don't really affect the moving carvan. Its their job to bark. They did everything they could in the past 900 years, but still Hinduism was there, is flourishing and will always be there no matter what!2. They should be exposed and brought to light. To the knowledge of radical Hindu organizations that are active (thank God) in India to protect its heritage from such rascals. Though these organizations are more political and use religion as a shield, but still they do some good work too in the name of Hindus. Well, here I've reported it to the Bajrang Dal and Shiv Sena. Hope they will take some action. As soon as I find time, Iam going to write back to the editor of this disgraceful site and give him a mindful, and tell him to close it down otherwise there will be bad consequences.(that's a different thing wherther he will listen or not).At least thats what I'm planning for now!What about you? Please stay in touch!Jai Gurudev--- In , ajay sharma <a_sh_r> wrote:> Dear brothers,> > I would like to know how you define free will? If you put yourthoughts a bit elaborately then it will be easier to understand yourperspective.> What makes you think that world is more free today than it was earlier?> > If possible please put your thoughts in detail. Surely I would liketo share my thoughts. It would help me if I know how my fellowthinkers see the definitions of particular words or look at aparticular incident.> > pranam gurudev> > > > > Dhirendra Pal Singh <dp_singh@s...> wrote:> Hello Mr Sharma,> With all due respect sir, I think there isnt much we ( at least I )can do about it..> While I may not like it, but I cant control it either, it free willand we all know that todays world is free...> > Do you have any idea then please share... as to be honest I am empty...> > Thanks and Reagrds> Dp> > > ajay sharma wrote:> Dear brothers,> > It is natural to feel angry after redaing that stuff. Also you havesaid that one should have strength & courage to defend one's honour &deignity.> Preaching Hinduism in middle east will result something we dont needto tell each other. we all know. To be angry is not just enough.someone did something and we burn our hearts by thinking about it, andamking ourselves more miserable.> My opinio is only that what are we doing about it? is just lettingour anger in this way enogh? are we trying to justify to our own mind?are we trying to sympathetic with our helplessness? what happned inhistory & elaborating reasons for that will help us in present? Whataction as an individual you took? Any thought or resolve for anything?Are we just happy with putting different philosophies of hinduism inmails?> > Never mind if the answer for most questions is yes. > It is never too late to start on path free from wrongdoing but fullof victory & glory without any doubt. No need to feel guilty orhelpless when we have the supreme being of Universe with us. Only withus. only with us. Only with us.> > Pranam Gurudev> > > > > > > > > Dhirendra Pal Singh <dp_singh@s...> wrote: I am 100% with Nitishjion this...> > Thanks> Dp> > > writemail1 wrote:> > Dear Nithya,Jai Gurudev!Of course some one should do something aboutit. In fact ideals like -"a true Hindu should forgive the person whowrote it" forced Indiainto slavery of a thousand years under invadingforeign Islamicforces. and then the British. It is because during thebhakti kaal (ofcourse it was right) the people learned to love andforgive, butforgot how to defend themselves. Hindustaan is a Hinducountry andHindus should exercise their right of majority (respectingtheminorities as well)! When minorities can ask for their rights,whythere are no rights for the majority? Try to preach Hinduism inArabEmirates! Tell them their religion is not right so take upHinduism.See if they will forgive such a statement!Of course forgivingis great and should be practiced, but mean people such as the onesrunning- www.dialogueonline.net take extraadvantage of it.I respectevery religion, but don't respect those who malign SanatanaDharma fortheir selfish gains. These people are> 'aparadhis'. Ofcourse they have taken pains to study the scripturesin order toconvince people against them. It is even more 'aparadha' asthey abuseour Gods and scriptures.May God bless you. JaiGurudev!Nitesh, "Nithya K"<tutor19us> wrote: > > I think such insane material should be regulated by somebody!Butalas, there is no body to curb this nonsense.but a true Hindu wouldread all this and forgive the person who has done this. Isnt it?But Imust say the writer has taken pains to read the texts and comment onit. God save his soul!Nithya ,Dhirendra Pal Singh <dp_singh@s...> wrote: > > Hi there...I went through the site. Its insane and disgusting...Idont know what else to say or do about it.I did hear from someone thatIn Mecca and Madina.. they have > > Shivlingam, > > and thats why no hindu is allowed..Is it true... any comments fromanyone..Thanks in anticipation...RegardsDpwritemail1 wrote: > > Dear All,Jai Gurudev!!Recently while searching more articles andinfo. on Siddhashram, Icame across a site called http://www.dialogueonline.netPlease have a look at this site thatclaims to make a comparativestudy to guide the public to understandtheir religions better > > giving > > quotes from the scriptures. They comment on HInduism and Islam.Theysay that the difference between between these two groups has > > been > > created because of Hindu scriptures and Hindu Gurus.They have notonly whole heartedly criticised the Vedas, Bhagwad > > Gita, > > Vishnu, Brahma, but the whole Hindu leneage of philosophers, > > Rishis etc. > > They say Hinduism if full of contradictions and Vedas are not > > credible > > books. On the other hand, they say Islam is the only worthy > > religion > > for mankind!!!I think they do not know the existence of black stoneShivalinga > > at > > the Mecca and the sanskrit writing on the wall there that saysofVikramaditya's rule that was spread as far as Arabia. Before > > Islam was > > established this land had idol worship (supposedly Shiv parivar > > and > > the nature Gods) later that was banned and they broke the idols. > > This > > tradition still continues to this day and every pilgrim is > > supposed to > > throw a stone to the broken idols. The pundits serving there hadavision of Lord Shiva saying that don't serve me here any more > > since > > this land will be ruled by 'Malechhs'. The four pundits weresentback. The siddh Shivalinga was hidden under the black cloth so > > that no > > hindu can ever take it away. A reason why no Hindu is allowed > > there. > > They alway give beef and mutton to eat before entering the > > shrine. And > > no Gangajal is allowed. The other end pole of this Shivalinga is > > the > > Mahakaaleshwar Linga that is always worshipped and thatappearedaround the same time.I'll be writing a letter to the rascaleditor of this site who hasmade efforts to study the Holy Hinduscriptures with a view to > > malign > > it.He hasn't even got any courage to write his disgraceful name. > > He > > writes - 'compiled by DOL team' which I suppose is made up of > > Shiites > > and Sunnis.As such I have nothing against any religion. Even Islam,but whatright they have to malign the Vedic Culture?? These peoplehave > > zero > > Sadhnatmak base and claim to understand God and holy scriptures. > > They > > call Vishnu as deceitful and Rigved as confusing and useless!!Pleasehave a look at it. How can we let them spread bad words > > about > > Sanatan Dharma?Jai Gurudev.NiteshHere is some thing to thinkabout:Glancing through some research material recently, historian P.N. > > Oak > > was pleasantly surprised to come across a reference to akingVikramaditya inscription found in the Kaaba in Mecca proving > > beyond > > doubt that the Arabian Peninsula formed a part of his Indian > > Empire. > > The text of the crucial Vikramaditya inscription, found inscribed > > on a > > gold dish hung inside the Kaaba shrine in Mecca, is found > > recorded on > > page 315 of a volume known as `Sayar-ul-Okul' treasured intheMakhtab-e-Sultania library in Istanbul, Turkey. Rendered infreeEnglish the inscription says:"Fortunate are those who were born(and lived) during king > > Vikram's > > reign. He was a noble, generous dutiful ruler, devoted to the > > welfare > > of his subjects. But at that time we Arabs, oblivious of God,werelost in sensual pleasures. Plotting and torture were rampant.Thedarkness of ignorance had enveloped our country. Like thelambstruggling for her life in the cruel paws of a wolf we Arabswerecaught up in ignorance. The entire country was enveloped in a > > darkness > > so intense as on a new moon night. But the present dawn and > > pleasant > > sunshine of education is the result of the favour of the noble > > king > > Vikramaditya whose benevolent supervision did not lose sight of > > us- > > foreigners as we were. He spread his sacred religion amongst us > > and > > sent scholars whose brilliance shone like that of the sun fromhiscountry to ours. These scholars and preceptors throughwhosebenevolence we were once again made cognisant of the presence of > > God, > > introduced to His sacred existence and put on the road of Truth, > > had > > come to our country to preach their religion and impart education > > at > > king Vikramaditya's behest."For those who would like to read theArabic wording I reproduce ithereunder in Roman script:"ItrashaphaiSantu Ibikramatul Phahalameen Karimun YartapheehaWayosassaruBihillahaya Samaini Ela Motakabberen Sihillaha Yuhee > > Quid > > min howa Yapakhara phajjal asari nahone osirom bayjayhalem.Yundanblabin Kajan blnaya khtoryaha sadunya kanateph netephibejehalinAtadari bilamasa- rateen phakef tasabuhu kaunniejamajekaralhadawalador. 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