Guest guest Posted September 5, 2004 Report Share Posted September 5, 2004 || Om Param Tatvaay Narayanaay Gurubhyo Namah || The world of sadhanas is very complex. The harder you try to solve the puzzle, the deeper you sink in the mystery. Try finding answer to one question and a thousand more will arise instantly; and yes, the original question remains unanswered. Try further and the web will multiply exponentially.No wonder spirituality has become a billion dollar business. Those who ride your miseries and play with your problems while calling themselves your 'Guru' are becoming richer every moment and enjoying your hard earned money at the fullest. The advent of the world wide web has worsened the situation like never before. Self-styled Gurus pop-up every now and then with their trendy websites featuring eye-jacking stories of miracle. They would, probably, beat the best salesman of this world in luring you with their 'divine' solutions for your problems. Then, there are people like me who, being a victim of their own 'out-of-control' urge for fame, read some books, visit some websites, steal some stuff here and there; and start spreading their 'knowledge' to 'help' you out. The end result - DISASTER.First, we'll try to understand sadhana. In the beginning, we would get rid of some wide spread mis-conceptions about sadhana.1. Sadhana is not magic or a magic wand: If you expect to get the unexpected through sadhana, if you are willing to witness something very miraculous, if you are looking for quick-fix solutions to your problems; sadhana is not for you. Let's understand it better. Suppose, you are looking for a job, you have the required qualification, experience, skills etc. and you wish to increase your chances of getting the job with sadhana; then yes, within a few months, you'll be able to strengthen your luck. Yes, you read it right. Months, not weeks, not days, not anything less. On the other hand, if you are thinking that a little sadhana will make sure that you get whatever job you wanted, no matter whether you are qualified for it or not; you are making a fool of yourself. This just won't happen. If you read somewhere that "In 11 days or so (chanting around an hour a day), you'll succeed in 'this' sadhana and will have everything at your disposal"; trust me, it was not meant for a newbie.2. Sadhanas are not driven by emotions: One of the common (often wrong) phrases, you can find on the web about sadhanas, is "Have true love for the deity, open up your heart and you'll succeed in no time." Well, let me ask, how can we 'open up' our hearts? Isn't that the job of a surgeon? Even in emotional terms, it is not something easy to do. Most emotions are controlled by 'Anahat Chakra', located right behind your heart and fourth of the seven chankras of the Kundalini. Awakening the first chakra is a tough task even for a seasoned Sadhak, requiring months of rigorous sadhana; let alone the idea of awakening the fourth chakra by a newbie. Furthermore, 'true love for a deity' is a very, very high thing; something easier said than done. Please, don't compare it with the love you may have for your girlfriend/boyfriend. Emotions do play a vital role in sadhanas; but, they are not everything.3. Sadhana won't make you rich overnight: Many believe that through sadhana, one can become the richest person alive in just about no time. Yes, there are sadhanas that can make you rich beyond reason; but, to reach that level of success, you'll have to perform sadhana seriously for months, if not years. Even if you have the blessings of the most powerful Guru, nothing would change overnight and nothing would happen without work. In this money madness, you may end up loosing the little you have to a pseudo guru.4. Sadhana is not a mechanical process: Nowadays, a sort of mad rush for mantras is going on. Message boards and mailboxes of a few (including me) are being stuffed with mails saying "I have this problem. Give me a mantra for it.", "I want to chant this mantra. Please, elaborate on the procedure.", "How can I perform this sadhana. Please, explain with as much details as possible.", "I am starter and I am in a hurry. Give me a mantra to succeed everywhere. But, keep in mind that I can not chant for more than 5-10 minutes." and this can go on forever. People think that they'll grab a mantra somewhere, chant it for a while and 'Voila' - they'll be in Lady Luck's arms. Slow down, folks; I am sorry to wake you up; but, these things don't work this way.Moreover, the sounds and rhythms contain the strength of a mantra, not the words and characters. The web, books, scriptures etc. can't give you those sounds and rhythms; only and only an able Guru can.5. Not every sadhana is suitable for you: And only an able Guru can tell you what's good for you and what's not. Therefore, unless you are performing sadhana with a mantra given to you by your Guru, you are dwelling in the fools' paradise, playing with a ticking timebomb.6. Sadhana is a science. Neither bhakti nor superstition: There are those who haven't yet dared to perform a sadhana; they ask whether a sadhana really works and can it be proven through the laws of science; though, they never perform one themselves and never consider the fact that the laws of an inferior science, i.e. physics or mathematics etc., can't be used to prove the much superior science of sadhanas. And, there are those who are lucky enough to be able to perform a sadhana; yet aren't sure about the level of their success because all of their efforts were directed towards begging God for mercy, money, job, food etc. without realizing their actual potential.Understanding SadhanaStill with me? Okay, here we go. The word 'Sadhana' means 'training'. In this context, it means training the mind. Our mind is a super power generator. It has everything required to create, control and destroy the entire universe. But, unfortunately, even Albert Einstein never used more than 5% of his mind's total potential. Then, most of the little part of our potential, that we can access, is lost in useless thoughts; thoughts of greed, lust, fear, ego and so on. Whatever remains, after dealing with all negativities from bad karma, can only get us worries and miseries; certainly, not the divinity that we deserve. The only difference between humans and gods is the available amount of mind's power.There are many ways of increasing the available amount of mind's power. Mantra Sadhana is one of them. The idea is to get rid of all futile thoughts and converge all energies on a single point, a single will that you wish to accomplish. Only this way, your sadhana can be successful. This is why many believe that God is within us. How many of you remember, "Om Purnamadah Purnamidam Purnat Purnamudachyate. Purnasya Purnamadaya Purnamevaavashishyate."?The sole goal of a Sadhak (the one who performs sadhana) is to train the mind and the body to access as much of the mind's power as possible; to lead the life to completeness. In the end, sadhana is essentially a battle between (imperfect) you and your (perfect) self. As a Sadhak, who is lucky enough to be a disciple of the best Guru of all times, I feel, the roadmap to success in sadhana should be:i: Get rid of as much negativities as possible. Give up, if you haven't already, all bad habits including, but not limited to, smoking, drinking alcohol, drugs (This is for junkies, not for those who have a medical condition), eating non-veg food, gambling, sexual relations with anyone other than your spouse and being too much inclined towards sex.ii: Give up laziness; be active. Rise early and go to bed early. Give up impatience; be consistent. Eat healthy; stay fit. Only an active and healthy body can have a powerful mind. Exercise regularly; it facilitates an even flow of energy through out the body and helps you perform a longer sadhanas by breaking physical barriers. Every Sadhak must have some sort of physical training routine to prevent sore bodyparts from being obstacles in sadhana. It could be anything; weight training, yog, aerobics, running, swimming, dancing, anything.iii: Conserve your energies. Stop worrying; your worries would only make the situation worse. Take charge of your thoughts. Stop emotional outbursts; limit your anger, laughter, sorrow etc. Get rid of greed, lust, fear and ego. Make self-evaluation and self-correction your daily routine.iv: Our mind is like a huge pitcher which is full of water, but, has a lot of holes with thoughts flowing in every direction. Sealing all holes but one is a very, very difficult task. Chanting the Gayatri Mantra for an hour before or at sunrise everyday would be a great help. The Gayatri Mantra may not show results unless you chant it regularly for a few months.v: Chant the Chetana Mantra for, at least, an hour every day. It increases your energy levels by many folds and prepares you for success in all sadhanas.vi: Chant the Guru Mantra, at least, 1100 times every morning. It creates an active connection between you and your Guru; protects you from all sorts of trouble; and leads you to success in every aspect of life. If you don't have a Guru yet, it makes sure that you get to your Guru as soon as possible.I know, for many of you, the above mentioned things are impractical and impossible; but, they are not. If I can, why can't you? You certainly can and I am sure, you will. I believe, many of you have very well understood 'Sadhana'. If you are amongst those, read on; you may soon be on your way to success in your own sadhana. If you are not, you are wasting your time reading this.Who is a Guru?To explain this better, I searched the word 'Guru' at Dictionary.Com and found the following meanings: A teacher and guide in spiritual and philosophical matters. A trusted counselor and adviser; a mentor. A recognized leader in a field like the guru of high finance. An expert. In terms of Sadhana and Mantra, a Guru is the one who has reached the highest level in a sadhana that you wish to learn; who knows everything about that sadhana including the secrets of success and the causes of failure; who can guide your towards the path leading to the highest level.Why do I need a Guru? I can pick a mantra from a book or a website, chant it and succeed on my own?Oh, really? Then, why did you go to school? Why everyone goes to school from their early childhood? Anyone can buy books and everyone buys books anyway? If you are serious about Sadhanas, you need a Guru for the same reason you needed to go to school. Moreover, there are many aspects of Sadhanas that only an able Guru can teach you. There are plenty of Sadhanas, if not all, in which even a slight mistake can result in your death.How do I find a Guru?You can't. A Sadhana is not a quick-fix solution to puny little problems of daily life. If you are not looking for a Guru who would get everything for you in no time while you'll sit back and enjoy a comfortable life for free, then an able Guru would find you. Furthermore, meeting a Guru is a natural process and you should never let anything; any person, any advertisement, any need, any desire, any temptation; influence it. If you are worthy, you would, certainly, be found by your Guru.I feel, my Guru is selling mantras for his/her own food / worldly comforts.Then, you should immediately leave such a Guru. The basis of Guru - Disciple relationship is trust. Either you must trust your Guru or you must leave your Guru - simple! Let me ask you something. Didn't you pay your teacher when you were in school? Don't you pay your doctor for treating you? Doesn't your employer / client pay you? If the answer to any of these questions is 'YES' then why do you expect the Guru to be an exception? 'Guru Dakshina' (fee paid to the Guru for his/her teachings) is an age old tradition. 'FREE' is not the criteria that separates the real Gurus from the rest.Have you ever thought, why is the Guru considered higher than the God? Not because the Guru can get you to the God and not because you can get plenty of 'out of this world' powers through the Guru; but, because of the love you can get from your Guru. Your parents love you; your brothers, sisters, friends, husbands, wives and children love you; but none of them can second the Guru in loving you. Whenever you are hurt, your Guru feels the pain more than you. Your Guru can even give his/her life to save yours. And what you do in return? You leave everything to your Guru and call it 'complete surrender' (which, surely, is a bad idea). You say, I want this, I want that and I want everything right now. Since what you want is different from what you really need, you may not always get what you want. And when this happens, you straightly declare your Guru a fraud which increases your bad karma and drastically decreases your chances of success. Let me tell you a story. A few days ago, in another group, a person posted something like this: "I request all members to send their age, sex, location, name and anubhuti (divine experience) so that I can develop faith". "What a pity", I thought. Here, on the web, we all are just IDs, not even names. We don't know each other, we probably will never know each other, in most cases, we can't see or hear each other, we can't touch each other while our Guru is a live person standing in front of us whom we can see, touch and hear. Yet, a person needs testimonies from unknown IDs to have faith in his/her Guru.Have faith in yourself. Learn to trust your Guru. Let your conscience be your judge. Only then, you can be successful in any Sadhana. Only then, you can be successful in your life. Only then, you can be complete and break out of the Life-Death Cycle. Last, but not the least, a lot of good wishes and a huge amount of positive energy for Anu. Although, I have already conveyed my them through a personal mail, I thought, it would be a good idea to repeat it here. May god bless my over-emotional sister with success in every wake of life. Anu, I hope you wouldn't mind a bit of advise from a spiritually inferior brother. We all love you; all our best wishes are with you; but, when would you start loving yourself? When are you going to have your own good wishes? If I have crossed my limits, please forgive me like a mother. May Guruji bless you all with health and happiness. Ashish... 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Guest guest Posted September 6, 2004 Report Share Posted September 6, 2004 || Om Param Tatvaay Narayanaay Gurubhyo Namah || The world of sadhanas is very complex. The harder you try to solve the puzzle, the deeper you sink in the mystery. Try finding answer to one question and a thousand more will arise instantly; and yes, the original question remains unanswered. Try further and the web will multiply exponentially.No wonder spirituality has become a billion dollar business. Those who ride your miseries and play with your problems while calling themselves your 'Guru' are becoming richer every moment and enjoying your hard earned money at the fullest. The advent of the world wide web has worsened the situation like never before. Self-styled Gurus pop-up every now and then with their trendy websites featuring eye-jacking stories of miracle. They would, probably, beat the best salesman of this world in luring you with their 'divine' solutions for your problems. Then, there are people like me who, being a victim of their own 'out-of-control' urge for fame, read some books, visit some websites, steal some stuff here and there; and start spreading their 'knowledge' to 'help' you out. The end result - DISASTER.First, we'll try to understand sadhana. In the beginning, we would get rid of some wide spread mis-conceptions about sadhana.1. Sadhana is not magic or a magic wand: If you expect to get the unexpected through sadhana, if you are willing to witness something very miraculous, if you are looking for quick-fix solutions to your problems; sadhana is not for you. Let's understand it better. Suppose, you are looking for a job, you have the required qualification, experience, skills etc. and you wish to increase your chances of getting the job with sadhana; then yes, within a few months, you'll be able to strengthen your luck. Yes, you read it right. Months, not weeks, not days, not anything less. On the other hand, if you are thinking that a little sadhana will make sure that you get whatever job you wanted, no matter whether you are qualified for it or not; you are making a fool of yourself. This just won't happen. If you read somewhere that "In 11 days or so (chanting around an hour a day), you'll succeed in 'this' sadhana and will have everything at your disposal"; trust me, it was not meant for a newbie.2. Sadhanas are not driven by emotions: One of the common (often wrong) phrases, you can find on the web about sadhanas, is "Have true love for the deity, open up your heart and you'll succeed in no time." Well, let me ask, how can we 'open up' our hearts? Isn't that the job of a surgeon? Even in emotional terms, it is not something easy to do. Most emotions are controlled by 'Anahat Chakra', located right behind your heart and fourth of the seven chankras of the Kundalini. Awakening the first chakra is a tough task even for a seasoned Sadhak, requiring months of rigorous sadhana; let alone the idea of awakening the fourth chakra by a newbie. Furthermore, 'true love for a deity' is a very, very high thing; something easier said than done. Please, don't compare it with the love you may have for your girlfriend/boyfriend. Emotions do play a vital role in sadhanas; but, they are not everything.3. Sadhana won't make you rich overnight: Many believe that through sadhana, one can become the richest person alive in just about no time. Yes, there are sadhanas that can make you rich beyond reason; but, to reach that level of success, you'll have to perform sadhana seriously for months, if not years. Even if you have the blessings of the most powerful Guru, nothing would change overnight and nothing would happen without work. In this money madness, you may end up loosing the little you have to a pseudo guru.4. Sadhana is not a mechanical process: Nowadays, a sort of mad rush for mantras is going on. Message boards and mailboxes of a few (including me) are being stuffed with mails saying "I have this problem. Give me a mantra for it.", "I want to chant this mantra. Please, elaborate on the procedure.", "How can I perform this sadhana. Please, explain with as much details as possible.", "I am starter and I am in a hurry. Give me a mantra to succeed everywhere. But, keep in mind that I can not chant for more than 5-10 minutes." and this can go on forever. People think that they'll grab a mantra somewhere, chant it for a while and 'Voila' - they'll be in Lady Luck's arms. Slow down, folks; I am sorry to wake you up; but, these things don't work this way.Moreover, the sounds and rhythms contain the strength of a mantra, not the words and characters. The web, books, scriptures etc. can't give you those sounds and rhythms; only and only an able Guru can.5. Not every sadhana is suitable for you: And only an able Guru can tell you what's good for you and what's not. Therefore, unless you are performing sadhana with a mantra given to you by your Guru, you are dwelling in the fools' paradise, playing with a ticking timebomb.6. Sadhana is a science. Neither bhakti nor superstition: There are those who haven't yet dared to perform a sadhana; they ask whether a sadhana really works and can it be proven through the laws of science; though, they never perform one themselves and never consider the fact that the laws of an inferior science, i.e. physics or mathematics etc., can't be used to prove the much superior science of sadhanas. And, there are those who are lucky enough to be able to perform a sadhana; yet aren't sure about the level of their success because all of their efforts were directed towards begging God for mercy, money, job, food etc. without realizing their actual potential.Understanding SadhanaStill with me? Okay, here we go. The word 'Sadhana' means 'training'. In this context, it means training the mind. Our mind is a super power generator. It has everything required to create, control and destroy the entire universe. But, unfortunately, even Albert Einstein never used more than 5% of his mind's total potential. Then, most of the little part of our potential, that we can access, is lost in useless thoughts; thoughts of greed, lust, fear, ego and so on. Whatever remains, after dealing with all negativities from bad karma, can only get us worries and miseries; certainly, not the divinity that we deserve. The only difference between humans and gods is the available amount of mind's power.There are many ways of increasing the available amount of mind's power. Mantra Sadhana is one of them. The idea is to get rid of all futile thoughts and converge all energies on a single point, a single will that you wish to accomplish. Only this way, your sadhana can be successful. This is why many believe that God is within us. How many of you remember, "Om Purnamadah Purnamidam Purnat Purnamudachyate. Purnasya Purnamadaya Purnamevaavashishyate."?The sole goal of a Sadhak (the one who performs sadhana) is to train the mind and the body to access as much of the mind's power as possible; to lead the life to completeness. In the end, sadhana is essentially a battle between (imperfect) you and your (perfect) self. As a Sadhak, who is lucky enough to be a disciple of the best Guru of all times, I feel, the roadmap to success in sadhana should be:i: Get rid of as much negativities as possible. Give up, if you haven't already, all bad habits including, but not limited to, smoking, drinking alcohol, drugs (This is for junkies, not for those who have a medical condition), eating non-veg food, gambling, sexual relations with anyone other than your spouse and being too much inclined towards sex.ii: Give up laziness; be active. Rise early and go to bed early. Give up impatience; be consistent. Eat healthy; stay fit. Only an active and healthy body can have a powerful mind. Exercise regularly; it facilitates an even flow of energy through out the body and helps you perform a longer sadhanas by breaking physical barriers. Every Sadhak must have some sort of physical training routine to prevent sore bodyparts from being obstacles in sadhana. It could be anything; weight training, yog, aerobics, running, swimming, dancing, anything.iii: Conserve your energies. Stop worrying; your worries would only make the situation worse. Take charge of your thoughts. Stop emotional outbursts; limit your anger, laughter, sorrow etc. Get rid of greed, lust, fear and ego. Make self-evaluation and self-correction your daily routine.iv: Our mind is like a huge pitcher which is full of water, but, has a lot of holes with thoughts flowing in every direction. Sealing all holes but one is a very, very difficult task. Chanting the Gayatri Mantra for an hour before or at sunrise everyday would be a great help. The Gayatri Mantra may not show results unless you chant it regularly for a few months.v: Chant the Chetana Mantra for, at least, an hour every day. It increases your energy levels by many folds and prepares you for success in all sadhanas.vi: Chant the Guru Mantra, at least, 1100 times every morning. It creates an active connection between you and your Guru; protects you from all sorts of trouble; and leads you to success in every aspect of life. If you don't have a Guru yet, it makes sure that you get to your Guru as soon as possible.I know, for many of you, the above mentioned things are impractical and impossible; but, they are not. If I can, why can't you? You certainly can and I am sure, you will. I believe, many of you have very well understood 'Sadhana'. If you are amongst those, read on; you may soon be on your way to success in your own sadhana. If you are not, you are wasting your time reading this.Who is a Guru?To explain this better, I searched the word 'Guru' at Dictionary.Com and found the following meanings: A teacher and guide in spiritual and philosophical matters. A trusted counselor and adviser; a mentor. A recognized leader in a field like the guru of high finance. An expert. In terms of Sadhana and Mantra, a Guru is the one who has reached the highest level in a sadhana that you wish to learn; who knows everything about that sadhana including the secrets of success and the causes of failure; who can guide your towards the path leading to the highest level.Why do I need a Guru? I can pick a mantra from a book or a website, chant it and succeed on my own?Oh, really? Then, why did you go to school? Why everyone goes to school from their early childhood? Anyone can buy books and everyone buys books anyway? If you are serious about Sadhanas, you need a Guru for the same reason you needed to go to school. Moreover, there are many aspects of Sadhanas that only an able Guru can teach you. There are plenty of Sadhanas, if not all, in which even a slight mistake can result in your death.How do I find a Guru?You can't. A Sadhana is not a quick-fix solution to puny little problems of daily life. If you are not looking for a Guru who would get everything for you in no time while you'll sit back and enjoy a comfortable life for free, then an able Guru would find you. Furthermore, meeting a Guru is a natural process and you should never let anything; any person, any advertisement, any need, any desire, any temptation; influence it. If you are worthy, you would, certainly, be found by your Guru.I feel, my Guru is selling mantras for his/her own food / worldly comforts.Then, you should immediately leave such a Guru. The basis of Guru - Disciple relationship is trust. Either you must trust your Guru or you must leave your Guru - simple! Let me ask you something. Didn't you pay your teacher when you were in school? Don't you pay your doctor for treating you? Doesn't your employer / client pay you? If the answer to any of these questions is 'YES' then why do you expect the Guru to be an exception? 'Guru Dakshina' (fee paid to the Guru for his/her teachings) is an age old tradition. 'FREE' is not the criteria that separates the real Gurus from the rest.Have you ever thought, why is the Guru considered higher than the God? Not because the Guru can get you to the God and not because you can get plenty of 'out of this world' powers through the Guru; but, because of the love you can get from your Guru. Your parents love you; your brothers, sisters, friends, husbands, wives and children love you; but none of them can second the Guru in loving you. Whenever you are hurt, your Guru feels the pain more than you. Your Guru can even give his/her life to save yours. And what you do in return? You leave everything to your Guru and call it 'complete surrender' (which, surely, is a bad idea). You say, I want this, I want that and I want everything right now. Since what you want is different from what you really need, you may not always get what you want. And when this happens, you straightly declare your Guru a fraud which increases your bad karma and drastically decreases your chances of success. Let me tell you a story. A few days ago, in another group, a person posted something like this: "I request all members to send their age, sex, location, name and anubhuti (divine experience) so that I can develop faith". "What a pity", I thought. Here, on the web, we all are just IDs, not even names. We don't know each other, we probably will never know each other, in most cases, we can't see or hear each other, we can't touch each other while our Guru is a live person standing in front of us whom we can see, touch and hear. Yet, a person needs testimonies from unknown IDs to have faith in his/her Guru.Have faith in yourself. Learn to trust your Guru. Let your conscience be your judge. Only then, you can be successful in any Sadhana. Only then, you can be successful in your life. Only then, you can be complete and break out of the Life-Death Cycle. Last, but not the least, a lot of good wishes and a huge amount of positive energy for Anu. Although, I have already conveyed my them through a personal mail, I thought, it would be a good idea to repeat it here. May god bless my over-emotional sister with success in every wake of life. Anu, I hope you wouldn't mind a bit of advise from a spiritually inferior brother. We all love you; all our best wishes are with you; but, when would you start loving yourself? When are you going to have your own good wishes? If I have crossed my limits, please forgive me like a mother. May Guruji bless you all with health and happiness. Ashish... 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Guest guest Posted September 7, 2004 Report Share Posted September 7, 2004 Well said Ashish! Thanks for the valuable information for us brothers! It is true and correct. I don't know how long you have been Gurudev's disciple, but by the way, did you notice, after Gurudev shed off his mortal frame, many of his disciples became full fledged gurus in various parts of India and even abroad conducting shivirs, giving sadhnaas, publishing spiritual magazines and even giving Shaktipaat dikshas?!! I'm amazed! I knew many of them personally and some came even after me. They are talented people, and are spreading good information but would become self proclaimed Gurus? I never thought... Not only this, a lot of people, who just used to give lectures and read stories from scriptures now have started conducting sadhna camps and giving shaktipaat dikshaas too!! Indeed the Pseudo-Guru business is flourishing! Hope at least some of them are doing practical good! Nitesh , pvd72 <pvd72> wrote: > Nice to get your emails!! The website was closed for a long time. Is it now ongoing??? > > > Tantra Shakti <tantra_shakti> wrote: > || Om Param Tatvaay Narayanaay Gurubhyo Namah || > > > > The world of sadhanas is very complex. The harder you try to solve the puzzle, the deeper you sink in the mystery. Try finding answer to one question and a thousand more will arise instantly; and yes, the original question remains unanswered. Try further and the web will multiply exponentially........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2004 Report Share Posted September 7, 2004 Namaste, Can I know what the Chetana Mantra is and whats the correct method of chanting it? Also what is a guru mantra and which one should one chant for spiritual Oneness. I am not looking for any kindof material gains. I am in search of ME. Can someone please guide me? D || Om Param Tatvaay Narayanaay Gurubhyo Namah || Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2004 Report Share Posted September 7, 2004 Your lengthly answers to all questions is an eye opener to all Sadhakas Thanks, Gopala pvd72 <pvd72 > wrote: Nice to get your emails!! The website was closed for a long time. Is it now ongoing???Tantra Shakti <tantra_shakti > wrote: || Om Param Tatvaay Narayanaay Gurubhyo Namah || The world of sadhanas is very complex. The harder you try to solve the puzzle, the deeper you sink in the mystery. Try finding answer to one question and a thousand more will arise instantly; and yes, the original question remains unanswered. Try further and the web will multiply exponentially.No wonder spirituality has become a billion dollar business. Those who ride your miseries and play with your problems while calling themselves your 'Guru' are becoming richer every moment and enjoying your hard earned money at the fullest. The advent of the world wide web has worsened the situation like never before. Self-styled Gurus pop-up every now and then with their trendy websites featuring eye-jacking stories of miracle. They would, probably, beat the best salesman of this world in luring you with their 'divine' solutions for your problems. Then, there are people like me who, being a victim of their own 'out-of-control' urge for fame, read some books, visit some websites, steal some stuff here and there; and start spreading their 'knowledge' to 'help' you out. The end result - DISASTER.First, we'll try to understand sadhana. In the beginning, we would get rid of some wide spread mis-conceptions about sadhana.1. Sadhana is not magic or a magic wand: If you expect to get the unexpected through sadhana, if you are willing to witness something very miraculous, if you are looking for quick-fix solutions to your problems; sadhana is not for you. Let's understand it better. Suppose, you are looking for a job, you have the required qualification, experience, skills etc. and you wish to increase your chances of getting the job with sadhana; then yes, within a few months, you'll be able to strengthen your luck. Yes, you read it right. Months, not weeks, not days, not anything less. On the other hand, if you are thinking that a little sadhana will make sure that you get whatever job you wanted, no matter whether you are qualified for it or not; you are making a fool of yourself. This just won't happen. If you read somewhere that "In 11 days or so (chanting around an hour a day), you'll succeed in 'this' sadhana and will have everything at your disposal"; trust me, it was not meant for a newbie.2. Sadhanas are not driven by emotions: One of the common (often wrong) phrases, you can find on the web about sadhanas, is "Have true love for the deity, open up your heart and you'll succeed in no time." Well, let me ask, how can we 'open up' our hearts? Isn't that the job of a surgeon? Even in emotional terms, it is not something easy to do. Most emotions are controlled by 'Anahat Chakra', located right behind your heart and fourth of the seven chankras of the Kundalini. Awakening the first chakra is a tough task even for a seasoned Sadhak, requiring months of rigorous sadhana; let alone the idea of awakening the fourth chakra by a newbie. Furthermore, 'true love for a deity' is a very, very high thing; something easier said than done. Please, don't compare it with the love you may have for your girlfriend/boyfriend. Emotions do play a vital role in sadhanas; but, they are not everything.3. Sadhana won't make you rich overnight: Many believe that through sadhana, one can become the richest person alive in just about no time. Yes, there are sadhanas that can make you rich beyond reason; but, to reach that level of success, you'll have to perform sadhana seriously for months, if not years. Even if you have the blessings of the most powerful Guru, nothing would change overnight and nothing would happen without work. In this money madness, you may end up loosing the little you have to a pseudo guru.4. Sadhana is not a mechanical process: Nowadays, a sort of mad rush for mantras is going on. Message boards and mailboxes of a few (including me) are being stuffed with mails saying "I have this problem. Give me a mantra for it.", "I want to chant this mantra. Please, elaborate on the procedure.", "How can I perform this sadhana. Please, explain with as much details as possible.", "I am starter and I am in a hurry. Give me a mantra to succeed everywhere. But, keep in mind that I can not chant for more than 5-10 minutes." and this can go on forever. People think that they'll grab a mantra somewhere, chant it for a while and 'Voila' - they'll be in Lady Luck's arms. Slow down, folks; I am sorry to wake you up; but, these things don't work this way.Moreover, the sounds and rhythms contain the strength of a mantra, not the words and characters. The web, books, scriptures etc. can't give you those sounds and rhythms; only and only an able Guru can.5. Not every sadhana is suitable for you: And only an able Guru can tell you what's good for you and what's not. Therefore, unless you are performing sadhana with a mantra given to you by your Guru, you are dwelling in the fools' paradise, playing with a ticking timebomb.6. Sadhana is a science. Neither bhakti nor superstition: There are those who haven't yet dared to perform a sadhana; they ask whether a sadhana really works and can it be proven through the laws of science; though, they never perform one themselves and never consider the fact that the laws of an inferior science, i.e. physics or mathematics etc., can't be used to prove the much superior science of sadhanas. And, there are those who are lucky enough to be able to perform a sadhana; yet aren't sure about the level of their success because all of their efforts were directed towards begging God for mercy, money, job, food etc. without realizing their actual potential.Understanding SadhanaStill with me? Okay, here we go. The word 'Sadhana' means 'training'. In this context, it means training the mind. Our mind is a super power generator. It has everything required to create, control and destroy the entire universe. But, unfortunately, even Albert Einstein never used more than 5% of his mind's total potential. Then, most of the little part of our potential, that we can access, is lost in useless thoughts; thoughts of greed, lust, fear, ego and so on. Whatever remains, after dealing with all negativities from bad karma, can only get us worries and miseries; certainly, not the divinity that we deserve. The only difference between humans and gods is the available amount of mind's power.There are many ways of increasing the available amount of mind's power. Mantra Sadhana is one of them. The idea is to get rid of all futile thoughts and converge all energies on a single point, a single will that you wish to accomplish. Only this way, your sadhana can be successful. This is why many believe that God is within us. How many of you remember, "Om Purnamadah Purnamidam Purnat Purnamudachyate. Purnasya Purnamadaya Purnamevaavashishyate."?The sole goal of a Sadhak (the one who performs sadhana) is to train the mind and the body to access as much of the mind's power as possible; to lead the life to completeness. In the end, sadhana is essentially a battle between (imperfect) you and your (perfect) self. As a Sadhak, who is lucky enough to be a disciple of the best Guru of all times, I feel, the roadmap to success in sadhana should be:i: Get rid of as much negativities as possible. Give up, if you haven't already, all bad habits including, but not limited to, smoking, drinking alcohol, drugs (This is for junkies, not for those who have a medical condition), eating non-veg food, gambling, sexual relations with anyone other than your spouse and being too much inclined towards sex.ii: Give up laziness; be active. Rise early and go to bed early. Give up impatience; be consistent. Eat healthy; stay fit. Only an active and healthy body can have a powerful mind. Exercise regularly; it facilitates an even flow of energy through out the body and helps you perform a longer sadhanas by breaking physical barriers. Every Sadhak must have some sort of physical training routine to prevent sore bodyparts from being obstacles in sadhana. It could be anything; weight training, yog, aerobics, running, swimming, dancing, anything.iii: Conserve your energies. Stop worrying; your worries would only make the situation worse. Take charge of your thoughts. Stop emotional outbursts; limit your anger, laughter, sorrow etc. Get rid of greed, lust, fear and ego. Make self-evaluation and self-correction your daily routine.iv: Our mind is like a huge pitcher which is full of water, but, has a lot of holes with thoughts flowing in every direction. Sealing all holes but one is a very, very difficult task. Chanting the Gayatri Mantra for an hour before or at sunrise everyday would be a great help. The Gayatri Mantra may not show results unless you chant it regularly for a few months.v: Chant the Chetana Mantra for, at least, an hour every day. It increases your energy levels by many folds and prepares you for success in all sadhanas.vi: Chant the Guru Mantra, at least, 1100 times every morning. It creates an active connection between you and your Guru; protects you from all sorts of trouble; and leads you to success in every aspect of life. If you don't have a Guru yet, it makes sure that you get to your Guru as soon as possible.I know, for many of you, the above mentioned things are impractical and impossible; but, they are not. If I can, why can't you? You certainly can and I am sure, you will. I believe, many of you have very well understood 'Sadhana'. If you are amongst those, read on; you may soon be on your way to success in your own sadhana. If you are not, you are wasting your time reading this.Who is a Guru?To explain this better, I searched the word 'Guru' at Dictionary.Com and found the following meanings: A teacher and guide in spiritual and philosophical matters. A trusted counselor and adviser; a mentor. A recognized leader in a field like the guru of high finance. An expert. In terms of Sadhana and Mantra, a Guru is the one who has reached the highest level in a sadhana that you wish to learn; who knows everything about that sadhana including the secrets of success and the causes of failure; who can guide your towards the path leading to the highest level.Why do I need a Guru? I can pick a mantra from a book or a website, chant it and succeed on my own?Oh, really? Then, why did you go to school? Why everyone goes to school from their early childhood? Anyone can buy books and everyone buys books anyway? If you are serious about Sadhanas, you need a Guru for the same reason you needed to go to school. Moreover, there are many aspects of Sadhanas that only an able Guru can teach you. There are plenty of Sadhanas, if not all, in which even a slight mistake can result in your death.How do I find a Guru?You can't. A Sadhana is not a quick-fix solution to puny little problems of daily life. If you are not looking for a Guru who would get everything for you in no time while you'll sit back and enjoy a comfortable life for free, then an able Guru would find you. Furthermore, meeting a Guru is a natural process and you should never let anything; any person, any advertisement, any need, any desire, any temptation; influence it. If you are worthy, you would, certainly, be found by your Guru.I feel, my Guru is selling mantras for his/her own food / worldly comforts.Then, you should immediately leave such a Guru. The basis of Guru - Disciple relationship is trust. Either you must trust your Guru or you must leave your Guru - simple! Let me ask you something. Didn't you pay your teacher when you were in school? Don't you pay your doctor for treating you? Doesn't your employer / client pay you? If the answer to any of these questions is 'YES' then why do you expect the Guru to be an exception? 'Guru Dakshina' (fee paid to the Guru for his/her teachings) is an age old tradition. 'FREE' is not the criteria that separates the real Gurus from the rest.Have you ever thought, why is the Guru considered higher than the God? Not because the Guru can get you to the God and not because you can get plenty of 'out of this world' powers through the Guru; but, because of the love you can get from your Guru. Your parents love you; your brothers, sisters, friends, husbands, wives and children love you; but none of them can second the Guru in loving you. Whenever you are hurt, your Guru feels the pain more than you. Your Guru can even give his/her life to save yours. And what you do in return? You leave everything to your Guru and call it 'complete surrender' (which, surely, is a bad idea). You say, I want this, I want that and I want everything right now. Since what you want is different from what you really need, you may not always get what you want. And when this happens, you straightly declare your Guru a fraud which increases your bad karma and drastically decreases your chances of success. Let me tell you a story. A few days ago, in another group, a person posted something like this: "I request all members to send their age, sex, location, name and anubhuti (divine experience) so that I can develop faith". "What a pity", I thought. Here, on the web, we all are just IDs, not even names. We don't know each other, we probably will never know each other, in most cases, we can't see or hear each other, we can't touch each other while our Guru is a live person standing in front of us whom we can see, touch and hear. Yet, a person needs testimonies from unknown IDs to have faith in his/her Guru.Have faith in yourself. Learn to trust your Guru. Let your conscience be your judge. Only then, you can be successful in any Sadhana. Only then, you can be successful in your life. Only then, you can be complete and break out of the Life-Death Cycle. Last, but not the least, a lot of good wishes and a huge amount of positive energy for Anu. Although, I have already conveyed my them through a personal mail, I thought, it would be a good idea to repeat it here. May god bless my over-emotional sister with success in every wake of life. Anu, I hope you wouldn't mind a bit of advise from a spiritually inferior brother. We all love you; all our best wishes are with you; but, when would you start loving yourself? When are you going to have your own good wishes? If I have crossed my limits, please forgive me like a mother. May Guruji bless you all with health and happiness. Ashish... Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Enter now. Jay Gurudev Jay Gurudev India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 Dear Nitesh Guru Charan Vandana You have rightly said that these so called gurus has created lot of confusion . But feel that we people are facing problems because we want to get every thing without doing any efforts . All us know that it takes 12 years to Swami Ram Krishan Param Hase to get the darsan of Bhagwati kali ( Plz correct me if I am wrong) with colossal amount of pains. So Rome was not built in a day. The whole world is bounded by law of conservation. Energy / mass can never be created nor be destroyed . If good luck has to appear then bed luck has to go. To change the form of energy, an media is required . So we want to change things then we have to use shadana as media with time, discipline, hard working and faith as inputs to take good luck as out come. Now this can be done individually or can be given by Guru through . I think there is no other alternative to above. Jai Guru Dev. Das Guru Ka Amrik Singhwritemail1 <writemail1 > wrote: Well said Ashish! Thanks for the valuable information for us brothers!It is true and correct. I don't know how long you have been Gurudev'sdisciple, but by the way, did you notice, after Gurudev shed off hismortal frame, many of his disciples became full fledged gurus invarious parts of India and even abroad conducting shivirs, givingsadhnaas, publishing spiritual magazines and even giving Shaktipaatdikshas?!! I'm amazed! I knew many of them personally and some cameeven after me. They are talented people, and are spreading goodinformation but would become self proclaimed Gurus? I never thought...Not only this, a lot of people, who just used to give lectures andread stories from scriptures now have started conducting sadhna campsand giving shaktipaat dikshaas too!! Indeed the Pseudo-Guru businessis flourishing!Hope at least some of them are doing practical good!Nitesh--- In , pvd72 <pvd72> wrote:> Nice to get your emails!! The website was closed for a long time. Isit now ongoing???> > > Tantra Shakti <tantra_shakti> wrote:> || Om Param Tatvaay Narayanaay Gurubhyo Namah ||> > > > The world of sadhanas is very complex. The harder you try to solvethe puzzle, the deeper you sink in the mystery. Try finding answer toone question and a thousand more will arise instantly; and yes, theoriginal question remains unanswered. Try further and the web willmultiply exponentially...........Jay Gurudev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 I am not writing this to start any discussions, I am just expressing my opinion. I'd rather spend 3 hrs every day upgraing my profession skills or having fun with my family or pursuing my personal pursuits in life rather than doing a mantra jaap. I am sure if I work hard for upgrading my professional skills, I wld get a better job and get rich anyway. Also I wld feel more enriched and happy pursuing my passions in life and spending time with my family. Moreover it is not just spending 3 hrs every day doin jaap, one has to change one's entire life style every day for the 3 hours jaap. I personally think this kind of routine is possible only for the people who are self employed or have a "not so demanding" job. I really wonder how people who are living in metro areas and start their day at 6 in the morning and dont get to retire to bed till 11/12 at night can practise such a rigorous ritual. Also I used to think that God is the divine father/mother not a strict disciplinarian. Moreover I wld rather spend 10 mins in the company of God with a peaceful mind rather than spending sleepless nights wondering that if I pronounce the mantra incorrectly I may die sooner or face the wrath of the Gods/Goddesses. and if I dont channel my energy I may go insane. More later. Somthing imp. came up. , Tantra Shakti <tantra_shakti> wrote: > > || Om Param Tatvaay Narayanaay Gurubhyo Namah || > > > > The world of sadhanas is very complex. The harder you try to solve the puzzle, the deeper you sink in the mystery. Try finding answer to one question and a thousand more will arise instantly; and yes, the original question remains unanswered. Try further and the web will multiply exponentially..... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2004 Report Share Posted September 10, 2004 I couldn;t resist but answer to this email. all i want to say is good luck, my good wishes for you sucessful professional and family life .. there are different path to acheive 'happiness'. Nobody should/could claim one is greater than other. Once again I wish you successful life. btw ... As far as thread Sadhana and Guru is concerned; i think ashish did a wonderful job. couldn't have asked for anything more. i have bookmarked the mesg as classic mails. Jay Gurudev. May gurudev reside and guide each one of us. Mithilesh -- s_dipity <s_dipity wrote: > I am not writing this to start any discussions, I am > just expressing > my opinion. > > I'd rather spend 3 hrs every day upgraing my > profession skills or > having fun with my family or pursuing my personal > pursuits in life > rather than doing a mantra jaap. I am sure if I work > hard for > upgrading my professional skills, I wld get a better > job and get rich > anyway. Also I wld feel more enriched and happy > pursuing my passions > in life and spending time with my family. Moreover > it is not just > spending 3 hrs every day doin jaap, one has to > change one's entire > life style every day for the 3 hours jaap. I > personally think this > kind of routine is possible only for the people who > are self employed > or have a "not so demanding" job. I really wonder > how people who are > living in metro areas and start their day at 6 in > the morning and > dont get to retire to bed till 11/12 at night can > practise such a > rigorous ritual. Also I used to think that God is > the divine > father/mother not a strict disciplinarian. Moreover > I wld rather > spend 10 mins in the company of God with a peaceful > mind rather than > spending sleepless nights wondering that if I > pronounce the mantra > incorrectly I may die sooner or face the wrath of > the Gods/Goddesses. > and if I dont channel my energy I may go insane. > > More later. Somthing imp. came up. > > > > , Tantra Shakti > <tantra_shakti> > wrote: > > > > || Om Param Tatvaay Narayanaay Gurubhyo Namah || > > > > > > > > The world of sadhanas is very complex. The harder > you try to solve > the puzzle, the deeper you sink in the mystery. Try > finding answer to > one question and a thousand more will arise > instantly; and yes, the > original question remains unanswered. Try further > and the web will > multiply exponentially..... > > > > > > Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2004 Report Share Posted September 10, 2004 Jai Gurudev, Just a couple of thoughts : This is a free world, and you are free to spend one's time as one deems fit. However upgradation of professional skill doesnot always guarantee a better job and more money. Fate also has a important role to play, and Performing Sadhana can improve your fate. You can yourself see change in your fate line (and other lines) after doing Sadhana for some time. You only need to be pure to do Sadhanas. Plus you have to start adhering to a strict schedule. I don't think that any other change is required in lifestyle. You just devote a few hours to Sadhana, just like you would devote time in a gym. It is pretty easy to do Sadhanas even in a demanding job like "software engineering" or medicine. It is all a question of better time management. Human body can do wonders if tried to limits. Plus Sadhanas help one to relax, and become stress-free. By your logic, anyone living in metro area won't even find time to go to gym for a workout, or to go for a 30 minutes jog. You won't get any negativity if you do something wrong. Yes, Guruji & God are compassionate and full of mercy. "wrath of Gods/Godesses, or becoming insane" are all myths propagated by people who dd not want to pursue this, and did not want others to do as well. Thanks Jai Gurudev , "s_dipity" <s_dipity> wrote: > I am not writing this to start any discussions, I am just expressing > my opinion. > > I'd rather spend 3 hrs every day upgraing my profession skills or > having fun with my family or pursuing my personal pursuits in life > rather than doing a mantra jaap. I am sure if I work hard for > upgrading my professional skills, I wld get a better job and get rich > anyway. Also I wld feel more enriched and happy pursuing my passions > in life and spending time with my family. Moreover it is not just > spending 3 hrs every day doin jaap, one has to change one's entire > life style every day for the 3 hours jaap. I personally think this > kind of routine is possible only for the people who are self employed > or have a "not so demanding" job. I really wonder how people who are > living in metro areas and start their day at 6 in the morning and > dont get to retire to bed till 11/12 at night can practise such a > rigorous ritual. Also I used to think that God is the divine > father/mother not a strict disciplinarian. Moreover I wld rather > spend 10 mins in the company of God with a peaceful mind rather than > spending sleepless nights wondering that if I pronounce the mantra > incorrectly I may die sooner or face the wrath of the Gods/Goddesses. > and if I dont channel my energy I may go insane. > > More later. Somthing imp. came up. > > > > , Tantra Shakti <tantra_shakti> > wrote: > > > > || Om Param Tatvaay Narayanaay Gurubhyo Namah || > > > > > > > > The world of sadhanas is very complex. The harder you try to solve > the puzzle, the deeper you sink in the mystery. Try finding answer to > one question and a thousand more will arise instantly; and yes, the > original question remains unanswered. Try further and the web will > multiply exponentially..... > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2004 Report Share Posted September 10, 2004 Good piece!!! --- desi_videshi <desi_videshi wrote: > Jai Gurudev, > Just a couple of thoughts : > > This is a free world, and you are free to spend > one's time as one > deems fit. However upgradation of professional skill > doesnot always > guarantee a better job and more money. Fate also has > a important > role to play, and Performing Sadhana can improve > your fate. You can > yourself see change in your fate line (and other > lines) after doing > Sadhana for some time. > You only need to be pure to do Sadhanas. Plus you > have to start > adhering to a strict schedule. I don't think that > any other change > is required in lifestyle. You just devote a few > hours to Sadhana, > just like you would devote time in a gym. > > It is pretty easy to do Sadhanas even in a demanding > job > like "software engineering" or medicine. It is all a > question of > better time management. Human body can do wonders if > tried to > limits. Plus Sadhanas help one to relax, and become > stress-free. By > your logic, anyone living in metro area won't even > find time to go > to gym for a workout, or to go for a 30 minutes jog. > > You won't get any negativity if you do something > wrong. Yes, Guruji > & God are compassionate and full of mercy. "wrath > of Gods/Godesses, > or becoming insane" are all myths propagated by > people who dd not > want to pursue this, and did not want others to do > as well. > > Thanks > Jai Gurudev > , "s_dipity" > <s_dipity> wrote: > > I am not writing this to start any discussions, I > am just > expressing > > my opinion. > > > > I'd rather spend 3 hrs every day upgraing my > profession skills or > > having fun with my family or pursuing my personal > pursuits in life > > rather than doing a mantra jaap. I am sure if I > work hard for > > upgrading my professional skills, I wld get a > better job and get > rich > > anyway. Also I wld feel more enriched and happy > pursuing my > passions > > in life and spending time with my family. Moreover > it is not just > > spending 3 hrs every day doin jaap, one has to > change one's entire > > life style every day for the 3 hours jaap. I > personally think this > > kind of routine is possible only for the people > who are self > employed > > or have a "not so demanding" job. I really wonder > how people who > are > > living in metro areas and start their day at 6 in > the morning and > > dont get to retire to bed till 11/12 at night can > practise such a > > rigorous ritual. Also I used to think that God is > the divine > > father/mother not a strict disciplinarian. > Moreover I wld rather > > spend 10 mins in the company of God with a > peaceful mind rather > than > > spending sleepless nights wondering that if I > pronounce the mantra > > incorrectly I may die sooner or face the wrath of > the > Gods/Goddesses. > > and if I dont channel my energy I may go insane. > > > > > More later. Somthing imp. came up. > > > > > > > > , Tantra Shakti > <tantra_shakti> > > wrote: > > > > > > || Om Param Tatvaay Narayanaay Gurubhyo Namah || > > > > > > > > > > > > The world of sadhanas is very complex. The > harder you try to > solve > > the puzzle, the deeper you sink in the mystery. > Try finding answer > to > > one question and a thousand more will arise > instantly; and yes, > the > > original question remains unanswered. Try further > and the web will > > multiply exponentially..... > > > > > > _______________________________ Shop for Back-to-School deals on Shopping. /backtoschool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2004 Report Share Posted September 10, 2004 I really wonder how many man hours we would be wasting and what would be the fate of the world if the entire world starts doing mantra jaap 3 hrs a day rather than utilizing the same time in upliftment of the society or contributing to the mankind. If there is really something as a fate then it is a course of action that has been determined by the divine power for us and I dont think we should really try to interfere with the divine wish by performing Sadhna's or doing astrological remedies and stuff. What about disturbing the Space/Time Continuum. Gotta go. later , "desi_videshi" <desi_videshi> wrote: > Jai Gurudev, > Just a couple of thoughts : > > This is a free world, and you are free to spend one's time as one > deems fit. However upgradation of professional skill doesnot always > guarantee a better job and more money. Fate also has a important > role to play, and Performing Sadhana can improve your fate. You can > yourself see change in your fate line (and other lines) after doing > Sadhana for some time. > You only need to be pure to do Sadhanas. Plus you have to start > adhering to a strict schedule. I don't think that any other change > is required in lifestyle. You just devote a few hours to Sadhana, > just like you would devote time in a gym. > > It is pretty easy to do Sadhanas even in a demanding job > like "software engineering" or medicine. It is all a question of > better time management. Human body can do wonders if tried to > limits. Plus Sadhanas help one to relax, and become stress-free. By > your logic, anyone living in metro area won't even find time to go > to gym for a workout, or to go for a 30 minutes jog. > > You won't get any negativity if you do something wrong. Yes, Guruji > & God are compassionate and full of mercy. "wrath of Gods/Godesses, > or becoming insane" are all myths propagated by people who dd not > want to pursue this, and did not want others to do as well. > > Thanks > Jai Gurudev > , "s_dipity" <s_dipity> wrote: > > I am not writing this to start any discussions, I am just > expressing > > my opinion. > > > > I'd rather spend 3 hrs every day upgraing my profession skills or > > having fun with my family or pursuing my personal pursuits in life > > rather than doing a mantra jaap. I am sure if I work hard for > > upgrading my professional skills, I wld get a better job and get > rich > > anyway. Also I wld feel more enriched and happy pursuing my > passions > > in life and spending time with my family. Moreover it is not just > > spending 3 hrs every day doin jaap, one has to change one's entire > > life style every day for the 3 hours jaap. I personally think this > > kind of routine is possible only for the people who are self > employed > > or have a "not so demanding" job. I really wonder how people who > are > > living in metro areas and start their day at 6 in the morning and > > dont get to retire to bed till 11/12 at night can practise such a > > rigorous ritual. Also I used to think that God is the divine > > father/mother not a strict disciplinarian. Moreover I wld rather > > spend 10 mins in the company of God with a peaceful mind rather > than > > spending sleepless nights wondering that if I pronounce the mantra > > incorrectly I may die sooner or face the wrath of the > Gods/Goddesses. > > and if I dont channel my energy I may go insane. > > > > More later. Somthing imp. came up. > > > > > > > > , Tantra Shakti > <tantra_shakti> > > wrote: > > > > > > || Om Param Tatvaay Narayanaay Gurubhyo Namah || > > > > > > > > > > > > The world of sadhanas is very complex. The harder you try to > solve > > the puzzle, the deeper you sink in the mystery. Try finding answer > to > > one question and a thousand more will arise instantly; and yes, > the > > original question remains unanswered. Try further and the web will > > multiply exponentially..... > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2004 Report Share Posted September 12, 2004 --- Every karma including posting at needs to be viewed not as an act in itself but examined for motives. Exactly, the same applies to whether to perform sadhana or do whatever else anyone deems fit with his time. If the sadhana is for something like vashikaran then probably learning a software tool is several times superior. Then, again back to motives, many of us myself included perform sadhanas with motives which are selfish –my job, my marriage, my mukti. In such a case sadhana is neither superior nor inferior to learning a software tool. It is just a different way of tackling the same issue. Usually people who take up sadhana/Deeksha take it up because they want to get the element of chance on their side. There is nothing wrong with it-it is within the realm of dharma. But awareness should be there that nothing done focussing on self takes us to the higher or the supreme goal. That reminds me how in panic I requested my gurubhais to send positive energy to me. Many loving kind souls responded and I am grateful for that. THAT is a superior karma. It equals charity done with unselfish motives like when you see a hungry man and feed him. Again, feeding a hungry man can be done with two different spirits – daya and shraddha. Daya I am afraid places oneself on a higher platter and reinforces ahamkaar. Shraddha (or service) take one away from ego. So, rather than looking at the act, examine motives. But there is one thing I wish to say karma can start with a lower objective, but as time passes one can merge so much with the karma that one forgets the motive that brought one there. This can happen with almost anything. Sadhana started with some motive but then coming to state where all you see is Ma, reading a book to pass an exam and being absorbed in it, starting feeding crows for (say) Saturn and then merging it with love for hungry birds and restlessness until they are fed and a lot of etc etc etc Having said this, I wish to propose something to our group. Let us make it a rule that apart from chanting 4 mala of guru mantra for ourselves, we will chant 4 mala for someone other that ourselves. I borrow this idea from the Buddhism my sister practices and they have many very beautiful things there. IF that is asking for too much, let us just remember that daily we will pray for someone else. It can be but, need not be a total stranger. We can chant/ pray for someone other than ourselves. It can be an old relative, a friend in misery or someone else we care for. Those capable of higher objectives can even pray for peace in the world, send positive energy to victims of a terrorist attack, or whatever else appeals. My motives in suggesting this are again selfish for now, in praying for others we are manufacturing doses of positive karma –punya for ourselves which will help us in our own times of needs. Any takers? I will start from tomorrow Jai Gurudev anu In , "s_dipity" <s_dipity> wrote: > I am not writing this to start any discussions, I am just expressing > my opinion. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2004 Report Share Posted September 13, 2004 Jai Gurudev, Please don't be a fatalist. You can change any kind of pre-ordained destiny. If Vishwamitra could create a parallel universe, if Sanjeevani-vidya could bring-dead-back-to-life, then changing fate thru Sadhana is a child's plaything. However, we can keep on talking about it (and wasting man hours in the process), instead of actually spending time & effort to roll up the sleeves and perform it. It is really your choice, either to actually do something, or to stay negative (and spread negativity). Jai Gurudev , "s_dipity" <s_dipity> wrote: > > I really wonder how many man hours we would be wasting and what would > be the fate of the world if the entire world starts doing mantra jaap > 3 hrs a day rather than utilizing the same time in upliftment of the > society or contributing to the mankind. > > If there is really something as a fate then it is a course of action > that has been determined by the divine power for us and I dont think > we should really try to interfere with the divine wish by performing > Sadhna's or doing astrological remedies and stuff. What about > disturbing the Space/Time Continuum. > > Gotta go. > > later > > > > > , "desi_videshi" <desi_videshi> > wrote: > > Jai Gurudev, > > Just a couple of thoughts : > > > > This is a free world, and you are free to spend one's time as one > > deems fit. However upgradation of professional skill doesnot always > > guarantee a better job and more money. Fate also has a important > > role to play, and Performing Sadhana can improve your fate. You can > > yourself see change in your fate line (and other lines) after doing > > Sadhana for some time. > > You only need to be pure to do Sadhanas. Plus you have to start > > adhering to a strict schedule. I don't think that any other change > > is required in lifestyle. You just devote a few hours to Sadhana, > > just like you would devote time in a gym. > > > > It is pretty easy to do Sadhanas even in a demanding job > > like "software engineering" or medicine. It is all a question of > > better time management. Human body can do wonders if tried to > > limits. Plus Sadhanas help one to relax, and become stress-free. By > > your logic, anyone living in metro area won't even find time to go > > to gym for a workout, or to go for a 30 minutes jog. > > > > You won't get any negativity if you do something wrong. Yes, Guruji > > & God are compassionate and full of mercy. "wrath of > Gods/Godesses, > > or becoming insane" are all myths propagated by people who dd not > > want to pursue this, and did not want others to do as well. > > > > Thanks > > Jai Gurudev > > , "s_dipity" <s_dipity> wrote: > > > I am not writing this to start any discussions, I am just > > expressing > > > my opinion. > > > > > > I'd rather spend 3 hrs every day upgraing my profession skills or > > > having fun with my family or pursuing my personal pursuits in > life > > > rather than doing a mantra jaap. I am sure if I work hard for > > > upgrading my professional skills, I wld get a better job and get > > rich > > > anyway. Also I wld feel more enriched and happy pursuing my > > passions > > > in life and spending time with my family. Moreover it is not just > > > spending 3 hrs every day doin jaap, one has to change one's > entire > > > life style every day for the 3 hours jaap. I personally think > this > > > kind of routine is possible only for the people who are self > > employed > > > or have a "not so demanding" job. I really wonder how people who > > are > > > living in metro areas and start their day at 6 in the morning and > > > dont get to retire to bed till 11/12 at night can practise such a > > > rigorous ritual. Also I used to think that God is the divine > > > father/mother not a strict disciplinarian. Moreover I wld rather > > > spend 10 mins in the company of God with a peaceful mind rather > > than > > > spending sleepless nights wondering that if I pronounce the > mantra > > > incorrectly I may die sooner or face the wrath of the > > Gods/Goddesses. > > > and if I dont channel my energy I may go insane. > > > > > > More later. Somthing imp. came up. > > > > > > > > > > > > , Tantra Shakti > > <tantra_shakti> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > || Om Param Tatvaay Narayanaay Gurubhyo Namah || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The world of sadhanas is very complex. The harder you try to > > solve > > > the puzzle, the deeper you sink in the mystery. Try finding > answer > > to > > > one question and a thousand more will arise instantly; and yes, > > the > > > original question remains unanswered. Try further and the web > will > > > multiply exponentially..... > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2004 Report Share Posted September 13, 2004 Namaste, Couldnt help answering this comment. Imagine a world where everyone pauses for 3 hours to just think about God, maybe not even the mantras or the japas. Just imagine the hatred coming to a stop for 3 hours. When there is no hatred there is love. Imagine pure love flowing across this world for 3 hours. I'ed give anything for a 15 minute period, 3 hrs is way too much. Humankind would have progressed so much more had humans learnt to stop for sometime. Look around you and you will realise that we are no longer humans but machines. Wake up, eat food, wear chlothes, work, come back, eat food, sleep. Maybe i am missing a few steps. Its like a copy book flowchart i make while programming. If only we can just pause for a moment to be aware. Just stop and listen. Being a parrot and reciting the mantra might make miracles but anyone will tell you that its the essence of the mantra that makes things possible. You make it possible. The power of belief is great. Space/Time continum is something which we have no idea abt. for a universe spanning billions and trillions of years we have been in existence for a few thousand years. we do not even have a clue about it let alone understand it. And even still it doesnt break our interpretation of the space/time continuum. Energy and Matter just change forms. Just because we cannot comprehend all the forms as of now doesnt mean they get broken. We dont do Sadhana for material gains. If thats what u want, then just work and earn money. There is scare few material needs that money cannot buy. But if you want more from life and believe that life is not all about this robotic routine we are stuck in then pause a few moments and realise that spending a little time on our creator only makes things better. You just have to believe. D Fri, 10 Sep 2004 18:34:24 -0000 "s_dipity" <s_dipity Re: Sadhana and Guru I really wonder how many man hours we would be wasting and what would be the fate of the world if the entire world starts doing mantra jaap 3 hrs a day rather than utilizing the same time in upliftment of the society or contributing to the mankind. If there is really something as a fate then it is a course of action that has been determined by the divine power for us and I dont think we should really try to interfere with the divine wish by performing Sadhna's or doing astrological remedies and stuff. What about disturbing the Space/Time Continuum. Gotta go. later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2004 Report Share Posted September 13, 2004 Jai Gurudev Namaste Som, How are you? It's been years since I read something from you. Are you still in US? As always, I completely agree with you. Like you, upgrading my skills is my favourite entertainment. And believe me, my sadhana is the most vital part of that upgradation. It helps me conserve my energies, learn faster, understand better, think smarter and work harder. I excercise for my physical fitness and I chant mantras for my mental and spiritual fitness. I invest a few hours on sadhana and get millions in return. Not a bad deal at all > I really wonder how many man hours we would be > wasting and what would be the fate of the world > if the entire world starts doing mantra jaap > 3 hrs a day rather than utilizing the same time > in upliftment of the society or contributing to > the mankind. Not more than what we waste on . Not more than what we waste on stupid TV shows and pathetic movies. > If there is really something as a fate then it is > a course of action that has been determined by the > divine power for us and I dont think we should really > try to interfere with the divine wish by performing > Sadhna's or doing astrological remedies and stuff. Correct. Actually, we do also interfere with 'the divine wish' by using medical remedies, staying away from the nature, disturbing the eco-system, destroying jungles for our daily needs, creating building, driving automobiles and a lot more. If we can live with all the above mentioned things, we can certainly live with sadhanas. Don't you agree? Have a nice day, my friend. Ashish... (Maybe, you'll remember 'Nikhilashish'. The same guy who got bombarded with hate mails because someone thought you were me.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 weel said! dedicating 3 hrs daily to God who in return gives us 24 hrs everyday seems to be a nice deal! - Danny Monday, September 13, 2004 12:40 PM Re: Sadhana and Guru Namaste,Couldnt help answering this comment. Imagine a world where everyone pauses for 3 hours to just think about God, maybe not even the mantras or the japas. Just imagine the hatred coming to a stop for 3 hours. When there is no hatred there is love. Imagine pure love flowing across this world for 3 hours.I'ed give anything for a 15 minute period, 3 hrs is way too much. Humankind would have progressed so much more had humans learnt to stop for sometime. Look around you and you will realise that we are no longer humans but machines. Wake up, eat food, wear chlothes, work, come back, eat food, sleep. Maybe i am missing a few steps. Its like a copy book flowchart i make while programming.If only we can just pause for a moment to be aware. Just stop and listen. Being a parrot and reciting the mantra might make miracles but anyone will tell you that its the essence of the mantra that makes things possible. You make it possible.The power of belief is great.Space/Time continum is something which we have no idea abt. for a universe spanning billions and trillions of years we have been in existence for a few thousand years. we do not even have a clue about it let alone understand it.And even still it doesnt break our interpretation of the space/time continuum. Energy and Matter just change forms. Just because we cannot comprehend all the forms as of now doesnt mean they get broken.We dont do Sadhana for material gains. If thats what u want, then just work and earn money. There is scare few material needs that money cannot buy. But if you want more from life and believe that life is not all about this robotic routine we are stuck in then pause a few moments and realise that spending a little time on our creator only makes things better. You just have to believe.D Fri, 10 Sep 2004 18:34:24 -0000 "s_dipity" <s_dipity >Re: Sadhana and GuruI really wonder how many man hours we would be wasting and what would be the fate of the world if the entire world starts doing mantra jaap 3 hrs a day rather than utilizing the same time in upliftment of the society or contributing to the mankind. If there is really something as a fate then it is a course of action that has been determined by the divine power for us and I dont think we should really try to interfere with the divine wish by performing Sadhna's or doing astrological remedies and stuff. What about disturbing the Space/Time Continuum.Gotta go.laterJay Gurudev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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