Guest guest Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 reply to: spiritualno1 from: Nitesh Dear fellow spiritual brother, Jai Gurudev! As I mentioned this fact, I know these people as some came to Gurudev after me and some were already connected. I can tell you about them, but I hardly know you. You didn't even mentione your name and where you are situated. Let's gets acquainted ! After all if you're my Guru's disciple, we should be acquainted as we share the same sentiment! As far as the new disciple turned Gurus are concerned, I've frequently heard about them and their activities, but don't get to see them as I am now living out of India. Some are taking the magazines and sadhna materials from Gurudham and further distributiong to their own fan following, some aknowledge Gurudev as their Guru and do the same activities as Gurudev on an individual level. One of them is Rajesh Parmar living in London. You can log on to his site www.siddhashram.com and get all the information and see his activities. Though he bows to Gurudev, spreads his knowledge and has Gurudev's picture in his altar in London temple, he still works as a full fledged and independent Guru giving shaktipaat dikshas. I can't comment! Another is Doctor Sadhna (was a homeopathic doc) and her husband Arvind from Bhopal. They regularly organize sadhna shivirs and give lectures and sit on the stage in the same manner as gurudev used to. And she publishes a similar magazine that is called sadhna siddhi something. I can't remember exactly. This magazine is available in stalls in Delhi and elsewhere and costs around 25Rups. I remember she organized Gurudev's first shivir in the mid 90s in bhopal. I was also there. They got connected with Gurudev at that time. Though she publishes Gurudev's Sanyasi picture of a very bad quality in her magazine and not his grahastha photo by which we know and recognize him (she surely has been inspired by him), I've never seen her mentioning his name even once in her magazine !! Another is Mr. Pehel of Haryana who used to give bhastrika and yoga demonstrations at shivirs conducted by Gurudev. He usually takes materials from Gurudham and give to people coming to him. These people may be having good intentions and actually helping others with informations etc. but I'm not sure if they should be calling themselves Gurus! Another guy calling himself acharyaji is (probably) running a very informational site by the name of Dhansanjivni. I appreciate the information given here. Though I never met him and he doesn't mentions Gurudev's name. Also he doesn't call himself a Guru, his information reflects Gurudev's tone of talking and the same informatione on shaktipaat too. I believe he is a former disciple too. But maintains a lower profile. The information he gives is good. Among non disciples of our Gurudev, there is the much publicised Asa Ram bapu who started his spiritual career with story telling from books and scriptures with some acting. Now he has started conducting shivirs and even giving shaktipaat and making disciples. Something that none of these lecturers did before. Where did they get the idea from? He may not be a bad person, but I'm talking of the trend! And thus, a lot of people started doing it the way Gurudev Narayan Dutt Shrimali used to do. Also Gurudev's brother Shri Radhakrishna Shrimali who is a very learned and respected pandit of spiritual and occult sciences started expanding more of his work after Gurudev. His son has also just come out with magazine, has become Guru and go to visits. I mean if they are helping people, its good. But there are other people doing the Guru business that I may or may not know of. I have a neutral attitude towards them. I was offered to spread this spiritual wave in the country I now live in. But I declined as I don't consider myself competent enough and don't believe in preaching unless I've acheived it practically. I believe in the yogic and tantrik definition of a Guru - A person who has completed the journey and reached the destination. Then he can guide you through it. If he himself is standing on the way and hasn't accomplished anything how can he be your guide. Spreading plain theoretical wisdom is okay. But practical life is different. I have loads of theory (and some practice), but if I can't do and accomplish things practically, its just dead knowledge. Well, at least partially, it is. If they promise people something, take money and then can't make it happen, it is bad. I am against this. But if they are just spreading good knowledge and helping people, I don't mind their work. People now a days are weak and don't have enough strength and patience. Life is difficult. They tend to break easily. They go to the "Gurus" for help and put their faith in them for getting some support, but then they leave after shedding their hard earned cash and still empty handed, only with some empty hopes and fake promises. As I said, I am not in touch with the above mentioned people now and can't give a 100 percent judgement. Some of them are in the Guru business big time. Most of them served Gurudev whole heartedly at one time or the other. And that's why I can't criticize them too much. If they are not cheating people, then its good that they are keeping alive some awareness on sadhnas in the society. You know, Once Gurudev said I am more interested in making live books (jivit Granth) - my disciples who will spread this knowledge / gyan in this world, who will be like a thousand lamps dispelling the darkeness of ignorance. So, disciples should take up challenges and prove sadhna's worth in this life for themselves first and then for others too, but are they capable of calling themselves Gurus is highly debatable. To improve and get success is the aim not to promote and market your greatness as a Guru without being one! But one thing is for sure - once they came in contact with Gurudev, they can't forget his charisma and his emotions and his energy that still must be bringing tears to their eyes if they remember him with a full heart! Jai Gurudev! Nitesh --- spiritualno1 <spiritualno1 wrote: > > Dear Brother NITESH > > As you wrote > "" after Gurudev shed off his > mortal frame, many of his disciples became full > fledged gurus in > various parts of India and even abroad conducting > shivirs, giving > sadhnaas, publishing spiritual magazines and even > giving Shaktipaat > dikshas?!! I'm amazed! I knew many of them > personally and some came > even after me."" > > Can you please let us know the NAME of such GURUS & > which part of > India they belong to so that others will become > cautious & will not > be after such people. I still remember in Chandigarh > Guru Pornima > Shivir Bade Gurudev said the same thing & asked not > to follow such > people. > > Anticipating early & positive response > > Jaygurdev > > spiritualno1 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2004 Report Share Posted September 22, 2004 A really well written mail. Thanks for exposing these shams, who go around the world granting pseudo "Dikshas". I guess that this is a common phenomenon. India has so many people who call themselves religious teachers & Gurus. And this is one of the biggest export from India to the West. For a new person, it becomes really difficult to separate grain from the chaff. Making a small shrine, and making money out of people's faith is the easiest & fast rewarding profession! Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali has said in one discourse that - "The damage to India by these Dharam gurus far exceeds the excesses & damages by British, Mugals and Yavans." , "writemail1" <writemail1> wrote: > reply to: spiritualno1 > from: Nitesh > > > Dear fellow spiritual brother, > > Jai Gurudev! > > As I mentioned this fact, I know these people as some came to Gurudev after me and some > were already connected. I can tell you about them, but I hardly know you. You didn't even > mentione your name and where you are situated. Let's gets acquainted ! After all if you're > my Guru's disciple, we should be acquainted as we share the same sentiment! > > As far as the new disciple turned Gurus are concerned, I've frequently heard about them > and their activities, but don't get to see them as I am now living out of India. Some are > taking the magazines and sadhna materials from Gurudham and further distributiong to > their own fan following, some aknowledge Gurudev as their Guru and do the same > activities as Gurudev on an individual level. One of them is Rajesh Parmar living in London. > You can log on to his site www.siddhashram.com and get all the information and see his > activities. Though he bows to Gurudev, spreads his knowledge and has Gurudev's picture > in his altar in London temple, he still works as a full fledged and independent Guru giving > shaktipaat dikshas. I can't comment! > > Another is Doctor Sadhna (was a homeopathic doc) and her husband Arvind from Bhopal. > They regularly organize sadhna shivirs and give lectures and sit on the stage in the same > manner as gurudev used to. And she publishes a similar magazine that is called sadhna > siddhi something. I can't remember exactly. This magazine is available in stalls in Delhi > and elsewhere and costs around 25Rups. I remember she organized Gurudev's first shivir > in the mid 90s in bhopal. I was also there. They got connected with Gurudev at that time. > Though she publishes Gurudev's Sanyasi picture of a very bad quality in her magazine and > not his grahastha photo by which we know and recognize him (she surely has been > inspired by him), I've never seen her mentioning his name even once in her magazine !! > > Another is Mr. Pehel of Haryana who used to give bhastrika and yoga demonstrations at > shivirs conducted by Gurudev. He usually takes materials from Gurudham and give to > people coming to him. > These people may be having good intentions and actually helping others with informations > etc. but I'm not sure if they should be calling themselves Gurus! > > Another guy calling himself acharyaji is (probably) running a very informational site by the > name of Dhansanjivni. I appreciate the information given here. Though I never met him > and he doesn't mentions Gurudev's name. Also he doesn't call himself a Guru, his > information reflects Gurudev's tone of talking and the same informatione on shaktipaat > too. I believe he is a former disciple too. But maintains a lower profile. The information he > gives is good. > > Among non disciples of our Gurudev, there is the much publicised Asa Ram bapu who > started his spiritual career with story telling from books and scriptures with some acting. > Now he has started conducting shivirs and even giving shaktipaat and making disciples. > Something that none of these lecturers did before. Where did they get the idea from? He > may not be a bad person, but I'm talking of the trend! And thus, a lot of people started > doing it the way Gurudev Narayan Dutt Shrimali used to do. > > Also Gurudev's brother Shri Radhakrishna Shrimali who is a very learned and respected > pandit of spiritual and occult sciences started expanding more of his work after Gurudev. > His son has also just come out with magazine, has become Guru and go to visits. I mean if > they are helping people, its good. > > But there are other people doing the Guru business that I may or may not know of. I have a > neutral attitude towards them. I was offered to spread this spiritual wave in the country I > now live in. But I declined as I don't consider myself competent enough and don't believe > in preaching unless I've acheived it practically. I believe in the yogic and tantrik definition > of a Guru - A person who has completed the journey and reached the destination. Then he > can guide you through it. If he himself is standing on the way and hasn't accomplished > anything how can he be your guide. Spreading plain theoretical wisdom is okay. But > practical life is different. I have loads of theory (and some practice), but if I can't do and > accomplish things practically, its just dead knowledge. Well, at least partially, it is. > > If they promise people something, take money and then can't make it happen, it is bad. I > am against this. But if they are just spreading good knowledge and helping people, I don't > mind their work. People now a days are weak and don't have enough strength and > patience. Life is difficult. They tend to break easily. They go to the "Gurus" for help and put > their faith in them for getting some support, but then they leave after shedding their hard > earned cash and still empty handed, only with some empty hopes and fake promises. > > As I said, I am not in touch with the above mentioned people now and can't give a 100 > percent judgement. Some of them are in the Guru business big time. Most of them served > Gurudev whole heartedly at one time or the other. And that's why I can't criticize them too > much. If they are not cheating people, then its good that they are keeping alive some > awareness on sadhnas in the society. > > You know, Once Gurudev said I am more interested in making live books (jivit Granth) - > my disciples who will spread this knowledge / gyan in this world, who will be like a > thousand lamps dispelling the darkeness of ignorance. So, disciples should take up > challenges and prove sadhna's worth in this life for themselves first and then for others > too, but are they capable of calling themselves Gurus is highly debatable. To improve and > get success is the aim not to promote and market your greatness as a Guru without being > one! > > But one thing is for sure - once they came in contact with Gurudev, they can't forget his > charisma and his emotions and his energy that still must be bringing tears to their eyes if > they remember him with a full heart! > > Jai Gurudev! > > Nitesh > > --- spiritualno1 <spiritualno1> wrote: > > > > > Dear Brother NITESH > > > > As you wrote > > "" after Gurudev shed off his > > mortal frame, many of his disciples became full > > fledged gurus in > > various parts of India and even abroad conducting > > shivirs, giving > > sadhnaas, publishing spiritual magazines and even > > giving Shaktipaat > > dikshas?!! I'm amazed! I knew many of them > > personally and some came > > even after me."" > > > > Can you please let us know the NAME of such GURUS & > > which part of > > India they belong to so that others will become > > cautious & will not > > be after such people. I still remember in Chandigarh > > Guru Pornima > > Shivir Bade Gurudev said the same thing & asked not > > to follow such > > people. > > > > Anticipating early & positive response > > > > Jaygurdev > > > > spiritualno1 > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2004 Report Share Posted September 22, 2004 thanks Nitesh. good article. , "writemail1" <writemail1> wrote: > reply to: spiritualno1 > from: Nitesh > > > Dear fellow spiritual brother, > > Jai Gurudev! > > As I mentioned this fact, I know these people as some came to Gurudev after me and some > were already connected. I can tell you about them, but I hardly know you. You didn't even > mentione your name and where you are situated. Let's gets acquainted ! After all if you're > my Guru's disciple, we should be acquainted as we share the same sentiment! > > As far as the new disciple turned Gurus are concerned, I've frequently heard about them > and their activities, but don't get to see them as I am now living out of India. Some are > taking the magazines and sadhna materials from Gurudham and further distributiong to > their own fan following, some aknowledge Gurudev as their Guru and do the same > activities as Gurudev on an individual level. One of them is Rajesh Parmar living in London. > You can log on to his site www.siddhashram.com and get all the information and see his > activities. Though he bows to Gurudev, spreads his knowledge and has Gurudev's picture > in his altar in London temple, he still works as a full fledged and independent Guru giving > shaktipaat dikshas. I can't comment! > > Another is Doctor Sadhna (was a homeopathic doc) and her husband Arvind from Bhopal. > They regularly organize sadhna shivirs and give lectures and sit on the stage in the same > manner as gurudev used to. And she publishes a similar magazine that is called sadhna > siddhi something. I can't remember exactly. This magazine is available in stalls in Delhi > and elsewhere and costs around 25Rups. I remember she organized Gurudev's first shivir > in the mid 90s in bhopal. I was also there. They got connected with Gurudev at that time. > Though she publishes Gurudev's Sanyasi picture of a very bad quality in her magazine and > not his grahastha photo by which we know and recognize him (she surely has been > inspired by him), I've never seen her mentioning his name even once in her magazine !! > > Another is Mr. Pehel of Haryana who used to give bhastrika and yoga demonstrations at > shivirs conducted by Gurudev. He usually takes materials from Gurudham and give to > people coming to him. > These people may be having good intentions and actually helping others with informations > etc. but I'm not sure if they should be calling themselves Gurus! > > Another guy calling himself acharyaji is (probably) running a very informational site by the > name of Dhansanjivni. I appreciate the information given here. Though I never met him > and he doesn't mentions Gurudev's name. Also he doesn't call himself a Guru, his > information reflects Gurudev's tone of talking and the same informatione on shaktipaat > too. I believe he is a former disciple too. But maintains a lower profile. The information he > gives is good. > > Among non disciples of our Gurudev, there is the much publicised Asa Ram bapu who > started his spiritual career with story telling from books and scriptures with some acting. > Now he has started conducting shivirs and even giving shaktipaat and making disciples. > Something that none of these lecturers did before. Where did they get the idea from? He > may not be a bad person, but I'm talking of the trend! And thus, a lot of people started > doing it the way Gurudev Narayan Dutt Shrimali used to do. > > Also Gurudev's brother Shri Radhakrishna Shrimali who is a very learned and respected > pandit of spiritual and occult sciences started expanding more of his work after Gurudev. > His son has also just come out with magazine, has become Guru and go to visits. I mean if > they are helping people, its good. > > But there are other people doing the Guru business that I may or may not know of. I have a > neutral attitude towards them. I was offered to spread this spiritual wave in the country I > now live in. But I declined as I don't consider myself competent enough and don't believe > in preaching unless I've acheived it practically. I believe in the yogic and tantrik definition > of a Guru - A person who has completed the journey and reached the destination. Then he > can guide you through it. If he himself is standing on the way and hasn't accomplished > anything how can he be your guide. Spreading plain theoretical wisdom is okay. But > practical life is different. I have loads of theory (and some practice), but if I can't do and > accomplish things practically, its just dead knowledge. Well, at least partially, it is. > > If they promise people something, take money and then can't make it happen, it is bad. I > am against this. But if they are just spreading good knowledge and helping people, I don't > mind their work. People now a days are weak and don't have enough strength and > patience. Life is difficult. They tend to break easily. They go to the "Gurus" for help and put > their faith in them for getting some support, but then they leave after shedding their hard > earned cash and still empty handed, only with some empty hopes and fake promises. > > As I said, I am not in touch with the above mentioned people now and can't give a 100 > percent judgement. Some of them are in the Guru business big time. Most of them served > Gurudev whole heartedly at one time or the other. And that's why I can't criticize them too > much. If they are not cheating people, then its good that they are keeping alive some > awareness on sadhnas in the society. > > You know, Once Gurudev said I am more interested in making live books (jivit Granth) - > my disciples who will spread this knowledge / gyan in this world, who will be like a > thousand lamps dispelling the darkeness of ignorance. So, disciples should take up > challenges and prove sadhna's worth in this life for themselves first and then for others > too, but are they capable of calling themselves Gurus is highly debatable. To improve and > get success is the aim not to promote and market your greatness as a Guru without being > one! > > But one thing is for sure - once they came in contact with Gurudev, they can't forget his > charisma and his emotions and his energy that still must be bringing tears to their eyes if > they remember him with a full heart! > > Jai Gurudev! > > Nitesh > > --- spiritualno1 <spiritualno1> wrote: > > > > > Dear Brother NITESH > > > > As you wrote > > "" after Gurudev shed off his > > mortal frame, many of his disciples became full > > fledged gurus in > > various parts of India and even abroad conducting > > shivirs, giving > > sadhnaas, publishing spiritual magazines and even > > giving Shaktipaat > > dikshas?!! I'm amazed! I knew many of them > > personally and some came > > even after me."" > > > > Can you please let us know the NAME of such GURUS & > > which part of > > India they belong to so that others will become > > cautious & will not > > be after such people. I still remember in Chandigarh > > Guru Pornima > > Shivir Bade Gurudev said the same thing & asked not > > to follow such > > people. > > > > Anticipating early & positive response > > > > Jaygurdev > > > > spiritualno1 > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2004 Report Share Posted September 22, 2004 NITESH, I WAS IN LONDON AND I MET RAJESH PARMAR. I MET HIM SOME 7-8 YEARS AGO AND HE WAS A TYPICAL SHISHYA OF GURUJI BUT NOW RECENTLY HE HAS TURNED INTO A GURU. PERSONALLY I DONT SEE HIM AS A GURU BECAUSE HE CANNOT GUARANTEE ANYTHING. HE DOES HAVE SHAKTI BUT NOT AS POWERFUL AS GURUJI. ALSO I HAVE SEEN THE ASHRAM HE BUILT, ITS NICE WITH GURUJIS PICTURES IN BUT NOW SADHKS BOW TO RAJESH, HE USED TO SPREAD GURUJIS KNOWLEDGE BUT NOW ITS ALL ABOUT HIMSELF. RADHIKA R PARMAR JAIGURUDEVwritemail1 <writemail1 > wrote: reply to: spiritualno1 from: NiteshDear fellow spiritual brother,Jai Gurudev!As I mentioned this fact, I know these people as some came to Gurudev after me and some were already connected. I can tell you about them, but I hardly know you. You didn't even mentione your name and where you are situated. Let's gets acquainted ! After all if you're my Guru's disciple, we should be acquainted as we share the same sentiment!As far as the new disciple turned Gurus are concerned, I've frequently heard about them and their activities, but don't get to see them as I am now living out of India. Some are taking the magazines and sadhna materials from Gurudham and further distributiong to their own fan following, some aknowledge Gurudev as their Guru and do the same activities as Gurudev on an individual level. One of them is Rajesh Parmar living in London. You can log on to his site www.siddhashram.com and get all the information and see his activities. Though he bows to Gurudev, spreads his knowledge and has Gurudev's picture in his altar in London temple, he still works as a full fledged and independent Guru giving shaktipaat dikshas. I can't comment!Another is Doctor Sadhna (was a homeopathic doc) and her husband Arvind from Bhopal. They regularly organize sadhna shivirs and give lectures and sit on the stage in the same manner as gurudev used to. And she publishes a similar magazine that is called sadhna siddhi something. I can't remember exactly. This magazine is available in stalls in Delhi and elsewhere and costs around 25Rups. I remember she organized Gurudev's first shivir in the mid 90s in bhopal. I was also there. They got connected with Gurudev at that time. Though she publishes Gurudev's Sanyasi picture of a very bad quality in her magazine and not his grahastha photo by which we know and recognize him (she surely has been inspired by him), I've never seen her mentioning his name even once in her magazine !! Another is Mr. Pehel of Haryana who used to give bhastrika and yoga demonstrations at shivirs conducted by Gurudev. He usually takes materials from Gurudham and give to people coming to him.These people may be having good intentions and actually helping others with informations etc. but I'm not sure if they should be calling themselves Gurus!Another guy calling himself acharyaji is (probably) running a very informational site by the name of Dhansanjivni. I appreciate the information given here. Though I never met him and he doesn't mentions Gurudev's name. Also he doesn't call himself a Guru, his information reflects Gurudev's tone of talking and the same informatione on shaktipaat too. I believe he is a former disciple too. But maintains a lower profile. The information he gives is good.Among non disciples of our Gurudev, there is the much publicised Asa Ram bapu who started his spiritual career with story telling from books and scriptures with some acting. Now he has started conducting shivirs and even giving shaktipaat and making disciples. Something that none of these lecturers did before. Where did they get the idea from? He may not be a bad person, but I'm talking of the trend! And thus, a lot of people started doing it the way Gurudev Narayan Dutt Shrimali used to do. Also Gurudev's brother Shri Radhakrishna Shrimali who is a very learned and respected pandit of spiritual and occult sciences started expanding more of his work after Gurudev. His son has also just come out with magazine, has become Guru and go to visits. I mean if they are helping people, its good. But there are other people doing the Guru business that I may or may not know of. I have a neutral attitude towards them. I was offered to spread this spiritual wave in the country I now live in. But I declined as I don't consider myself competent enough and don't believe in preaching unless I've acheived it practically. I believe in the yogic and tantrik definition of a Guru - A person who has completed the journey and reached the destination. Then he can guide you through it. If he himself is standing on the way and hasn't accomplished anything how can he be your guide. Spreading plain theoretical wisdom is okay. But practical life is different. I have loads of theory (and some practice), but if I can't do and accomplish things practically, its just dead knowledge. Well, at least partially, it is. If they promise people something, take money and then can't make it happen, it is bad. I am against this. But if they are just spreading good knowledge and helping people, I don't mind their work. People now a days are weak and don't have enough strength and patience. Life is difficult. They tend to break easily. They go to the "Gurus" for help and put their faith in them for getting some support, but then they leave after shedding their hard earned cash and still empty handed, only with some empty hopes and fake promises.As I said, I am not in touch with the above mentioned people now and can't give a 100 percent judgement. Some of them are in the Guru business big time. Most of them served Gurudev whole heartedly at one time or the other. And that's why I can't criticize them too much. If they are not cheating people, then its good that they are keeping alive some awareness on sadhnas in the society.You know, Once Gurudev said I am more interested in making live books (jivit Granth) - my disciples who will spread this knowledge / gyan in this world, who will be like a thousand lamps dispelling the darkeness of ignorance. So, disciples should take up challenges and prove sadhna's worth in this life for themselves first and then for others too, but are they capable of calling themselves Gurus is highly debatable. To improve and get success is the aim not to promote and market your greatness as a Guru without being one! But one thing is for sure - once they came in contact with Gurudev, they can't forget his charisma and his emotions and his energy that still must be bringing tears to their eyes if they remember him with a full heart!Jai Gurudev!Nitesh --- spiritualno1 <spiritualno1 > wrote:> > Dear Brother NITESH > > As you wrote > "" after Gurudev shed off his> mortal frame, many of his disciples became full> fledged gurus in> various parts of India and even abroad conducting> shivirs, giving> sadhnaas, publishing spiritual magazines and even> giving Shaktipaat> dikshas?!! I'm amazed! I knew many of them> personally and some came> even after me.""> > Can you please let us know the NAME of such GURUS &> which part of > India they belong to so that others will become> cautious & will not > be after such people. I still remember in Chandigarh> Guru Pornima > Shivir Bade Gurudev said the same thing & asked not> to follow such > people. > > Anticipating early & positive response> > Jaygurdev> > spiritualno1 > > > Jay Gurudev vote. - Register online to vote today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 Jay Gurudev, I have one query. Is Siddhashram.com website initiated by pujya Gurudev or Rajesh Parmar. I always go through the website, its really fascinating. Also I am under the impression that the contents of the website (articles, sadhnas etc) are written by Pujya Gurudev. Please clarify. Jay Gurudev --- writemail1 <writemail1 wrote: > reply to: spiritualno1 > from: Nitesh > > > Dear fellow spiritual brother, > > Jai Gurudev! > > As I mentioned this fact, I know these people as > some came to Gurudev after me and some > were already connected. I can tell you about them, > but I hardly know you. You didn't even > mentione your name and where you are situated. Let's > gets acquainted ! After all if you're > my Guru's disciple, we should be acquainted as we > share the same sentiment! > > As far as the new disciple turned Gurus are > concerned, I've frequently heard about them > and their activities, but don't get to see them as I > am now living out of India. Some are > taking the magazines and sadhna materials from > Gurudham and further distributiong to > their own fan following, some aknowledge Gurudev as > their Guru and do the same > activities as Gurudev on an individual level. One of > them is Rajesh Parmar living in London. > You can log on to his site www.siddhashram.com and > get all the information and see his > activities. Though he bows to Gurudev, spreads his > knowledge and has Gurudev's picture > in his altar in London temple, he still works as a > full fledged and independent Guru giving > shaktipaat dikshas. I can't comment! > > Another is Doctor Sadhna (was a homeopathic doc) and > her husband Arvind from Bhopal. > They regularly organize sadhna shivirs and give > lectures and sit on the stage in the same > manner as gurudev used to. And she publishes a > similar magazine that is called sadhna > siddhi something. I can't remember exactly. This > magazine is available in stalls in Delhi > and elsewhere and costs around 25Rups. I remember > she organized Gurudev's first shivir > in the mid 90s in bhopal. I was also there. They got > connected with Gurudev at that time. > Though she publishes Gurudev's Sanyasi picture of a > very bad quality in her magazine and > not his grahastha photo by which we know and > recognize him (she surely has been > inspired by him), I've never seen her mentioning his > name even once in her magazine !! > > Another is Mr. Pehel of Haryana who used to give > bhastrika and yoga demonstrations at > shivirs conducted by Gurudev. He usually takes > materials from Gurudham and give to > people coming to him. > These people may be having good intentions and > actually helping others with informations > etc. but I'm not sure if they should be calling > themselves Gurus! > > Another guy calling himself acharyaji is (probably) > running a very informational site by the > name of Dhansanjivni. I appreciate the information > given here. Though I never met him > and he doesn't mentions Gurudev's name. Also he > doesn't call himself a Guru, his > information reflects Gurudev's tone of talking and > the same informatione on shaktipaat > too. I believe he is a former disciple too. But > maintains a lower profile. The information he > gives is good. > > Among non disciples of our Gurudev, there is the > much publicised Asa Ram bapu who > started his spiritual career with story telling from > books and scriptures with some acting. > Now he has started conducting shivirs and even > giving shaktipaat and making disciples. > Something that none of these lecturers did before. > Where did they get the idea from? He > may not be a bad person, but I'm talking of the > trend! And thus, a lot of people started > doing it the way Gurudev Narayan Dutt Shrimali used > to do. > > Also Gurudev's brother Shri Radhakrishna Shrimali > who is a very learned and respected > pandit of spiritual and occult sciences started > expanding more of his work after Gurudev. > His son has also just come out with magazine, has > become Guru and go to visits. I mean if > they are helping people, its good. > > But there are other people doing the Guru business > that I may or may not know of. I have a > neutral attitude towards them. I was offered to > spread this spiritual wave in the country I > now live in. But I declined as I don't consider > myself competent enough and don't believe > in preaching unless I've acheived it practically. I > believe in the yogic and tantrik definition > of a Guru - A person who has completed the journey > and reached the destination. Then he > can guide you through it. If he himself is standing > on the way and hasn't accomplished > anything how can he be your guide. Spreading plain > theoretical wisdom is okay. But > practical life is different. I have loads of theory > (and some practice), but if I can't do and > accomplish things practically, its just dead > knowledge. Well, at least partially, it is. > > If they promise people something, take money and > then can't make it happen, it is bad. I > am against this. But if they are just spreading good > knowledge and helping people, I don't > mind their work. People now a days are weak and > don't have enough strength and > patience. Life is difficult. They tend to break > easily. They go to the "Gurus" for help and put > their faith in them for getting some support, but > then they leave after shedding their hard > earned cash and still empty handed, only with some > empty hopes and fake promises. > > As I said, I am not in touch with the above > mentioned people now and can't give a 100 > percent judgement. Some of them are in the Guru > business big time. Most of them served > Gurudev whole heartedly at one time or the other. > And that's why I can't criticize them too > much. If they are not cheating people, then its good > that they are keeping alive some > awareness on sadhnas in the society. > > You know, Once Gurudev said I am more interested in > making live books (jivit Granth) - > my disciples who will spread this knowledge / gyan > in this world, who will be like a > thousand lamps dispelling the darkeness of > ignorance. So, disciples should take up > challenges and prove sadhna's worth in this life for > themselves first and then for others > too, but are they capable of calling themselves > Gurus is highly debatable. To improve and > get success is the aim not to promote and market > your greatness as a Guru without being > one! > > But one thing is for sure - once they came in > contact with Gurudev, they can't forget his > charisma and his emotions and his energy that still > must be bringing tears to their eyes if > they remember him with a full heart! > > Jai Gurudev! > > Nitesh > > --- spiritualno1 <spiritualno1 wrote: > > > > > Dear Brother NITESH > > > > As you wrote > > "" after Gurudev shed off his > > mortal frame, many of his disciples became full > > fledged gurus in > > various parts of India and even abroad conducting > > shivirs, giving > > sadhnaas, publishing spiritual magazines and even > > giving Shaktipaat > > dikshas?!! I'm amazed! I knew many of them > > personally and some came > > even after me."" > > > > Can you please let us know the NAME of such GURUS > & > > which part of > > India they belong to so that others will become > > cautious & will not > > be after such people. I still remember in > Chandigarh > > Guru Pornima > > Shivir Bade Gurudev said the same thing & asked > not > > to follow such > > people. > > > > Anticipating early & positive response > > > > Jaygurdev > > > > spiritualno1 > > > > > > > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 Jai Gurudev. sidhashram.com is a private business website designed to mislead people. Some of the content is plagiarised from www.siddhashram.org & (official website of pujya Gurudev) mtyv magazines, while other is written by parmar himself, who charges close to thousand pounds to grant diksha to get .... It is a money making machine, designed to entice innocent folks. He even takes out extracts from mtyv magazine, and publishes his own magazine. It is a perfect case of plagiarisation and copyright violation. thanks , katu jo <astrologer212003> wrote: > Jay Gurudev, > I have one query. Is Siddhashram.com website > initiated by pujya Gurudev or Rajesh Parmar. I always > go through the website, its really fascinating. Also I > am under the impression that the contents of the > website (articles, sadhnas etc) are written by Pujya > Gurudev. Please clarify. > Jay Gurudev > --- writemail1 <writemail1> wrote: > > > reply to: spiritualno1 > > from: Nitesh > > > > > > Dear fellow spiritual brother, > > > > Jai Gurudev! > > > > As I mentioned this fact, I know these people as > > some came to Gurudev after me and some > > were already connected. I can tell you about them, > > but I hardly know you. You didn't even > > mentione your name and where you are situated. Let's > > gets acquainted ! After all if you're > > my Guru's disciple, we should be acquainted as we > > share the same sentiment! > > > > As far as the new disciple turned Gurus are > > concerned, I've frequently heard about them > > and their activities, but don't get to see them as I > > am now living out of India. Some are > > taking the magazines and sadhna materials from > > Gurudham and further distributiong to > > their own fan following, some aknowledge Gurudev as > > their Guru and do the same > > activities as Gurudev on an individual level. One of > > them is Rajesh Parmar living in London. > > You can log on to his site www.siddhashram.com and > > get all the information and see his > > activities. Though he bows to Gurudev, spreads his > > knowledge and has Gurudev's picture > > in his altar in London temple, he still works as a > > full fledged and independent Guru giving > > shaktipaat dikshas. I can't comment! > > > > Another is Doctor Sadhna (was a homeopathic doc) and > > her husband Arvind from Bhopal. > > They regularly organize sadhna shivirs and give > > lectures and sit on the stage in the same > > manner as gurudev used to. And she publishes a > > similar magazine that is called sadhna > > siddhi something. I can't remember exactly. This > > magazine is available in stalls in Delhi > > and elsewhere and costs around 25Rups. I remember > > she organized Gurudev's first shivir > > in the mid 90s in bhopal. I was also there. They got > > connected with Gurudev at that time. > > Though she publishes Gurudev's Sanyasi picture of a > > very bad quality in her magazine and > > not his grahastha photo by which we know and > > recognize him (she surely has been > > inspired by him), I've never seen her mentioning his > > name even once in her magazine !! > > > > Another is Mr. Pehel of Haryana who used to give > > bhastrika and yoga demonstrations at > > shivirs conducted by Gurudev. He usually takes > > materials from Gurudham and give to > > people coming to him. > > These people may be having good intentions and > > actually helping others with informations > > etc. but I'm not sure if they should be calling > > themselves Gurus! > > > > Another guy calling himself acharyaji is (probably) > > running a very informational site by the > > name of Dhansanjivni. I appreciate the information > > given here. Though I never met him > > and he doesn't mentions Gurudev's name. Also he > > doesn't call himself a Guru, his > > information reflects Gurudev's tone of talking and > > the same informatione on shaktipaat > > too. I believe he is a former disciple too. But > > maintains a lower profile. The information he > > gives is good. > > > > Among non disciples of our Gurudev, there is the > > much publicised Asa Ram bapu who > > started his spiritual career with story telling from > > books and scriptures with some acting. > > Now he has started conducting shivirs and even > > giving shaktipaat and making disciples. > > Something that none of these lecturers did before. > > Where did they get the idea from? He > > may not be a bad person, but I'm talking of the > > trend! And thus, a lot of people started > > doing it the way Gurudev Narayan Dutt Shrimali used > > to do. > > > > Also Gurudev's brother Shri Radhakrishna Shrimali > > who is a very learned and respected > > pandit of spiritual and occult sciences started > > expanding more of his work after Gurudev. > > His son has also just come out with magazine, has > > become Guru and go to visits. I mean if > > they are helping people, its good. > > > > But there are other people doing the Guru business > > that I may or may not know of. I have a > > neutral attitude towards them. I was offered to > > spread this spiritual wave in the country I > > now live in. But I declined as I don't consider > > myself competent enough and don't believe > > in preaching unless I've acheived it practically. I > > believe in the yogic and tantrik definition > > of a Guru - A person who has completed the journey > > and reached the destination. Then he > > can guide you through it. If he himself is standing > > on the way and hasn't accomplished > > anything how can he be your guide. Spreading plain > > theoretical wisdom is okay. But > > practical life is different. I have loads of theory > > (and some practice), but if I can't do and > > accomplish things practically, its just dead > > knowledge. Well, at least partially, it is. > > > > If they promise people something, take money and > > then can't make it happen, it is bad. I > > am against this. But if they are just spreading good > > knowledge and helping people, I don't > > mind their work. People now a days are weak and > > don't have enough strength and > > patience. Life is difficult. They tend to break > > easily. They go to the "Gurus" for help and put > > their faith in them for getting some support, but > > then they leave after shedding their hard > > earned cash and still empty handed, only with some > > empty hopes and fake promises. > > > > As I said, I am not in touch with the above > > mentioned people now and can't give a 100 > > percent judgement. Some of them are in the Guru > > business big time. Most of them served > > Gurudev whole heartedly at one time or the other. > > And that's why I can't criticize them too > > much. If they are not cheating people, then its good > > that they are keeping alive some > > awareness on sadhnas in the society. > > > > You know, Once Gurudev said I am more interested in > > making live books (jivit Granth) - > > my disciples who will spread this knowledge / gyan > > in this world, who will be like a > > thousand lamps dispelling the darkeness of > > ignorance. So, disciples should take up > > challenges and prove sadhna's worth in this life for > > themselves first and then for others > > too, but are they capable of calling themselves > > Gurus is highly debatable. To improve and > > get success is the aim not to promote and market > > your greatness as a Guru without being > > one! > > > > But one thing is for sure - once they came in > > contact with Gurudev, they can't forget his > > charisma and his emotions and his energy that still > > must be bringing tears to their eyes if > > they remember him with a full heart! > > > > Jai Gurudev! > > > > Nitesh > > > > --- spiritualno1 <spiritualno1> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Brother NITESH > > > > > > As you wrote > > > "" after Gurudev shed off his > > > mortal frame, many of his disciples became full > > > fledged gurus in > > > various parts of India and even abroad conducting > > > shivirs, giving > > > sadhnaas, publishing spiritual magazines and even > > > giving Shaktipaat > > > dikshas?!! I'm amazed! I knew many of them > > > personally and some came > > > even after me."" > > > > > > Can you please let us know the NAME of such GURUS > > & > > > which part of > > > India they belong to so that others will become > > > cautious & will not > > > be after such people. I still remember in > > Chandigarh > > > Guru Pornima > > > Shivir Bade Gurudev said the same thing & asked > > not > > > to follow such > > > people. > > > > > > Anticipating early & positive response > > > > > > Jaygurdev > > > > > > spiritualno1 > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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