Guest guest Posted November 2, 2004 Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 I appreciate you for highlighting the importance of sadhana of karma pisachini and its after effects. People are always interested in acquiring powers and by virtue of ignorance misuse them. Secondly they fall into a trap by totally surrenderring to the pisachinis and never find a way out of it. though a Guru is a must for initiating the right sadhana for people, but I would like to add that sadhana can be accomplished even without a Guru. But the time may be telling and sometimes without yield. Hence for proper guidance it is best to approach the guru. I request you to send me the article of the experience one sadhak has after he invoked karma pisachini and what happened after that. Kindly do this. thanks Rajkumardesi_videshi <desi_videshi > wrote: Dear Gurubhais & Gurubahens,Jai GurudevThere have been many postings recently about "protection against blackmagic/tantrik", or "divine companionship" or "getting wish fulfilled"I have been fortunate enough to have made multiple visits to Gurudham and Shivirs, and have witnessed many fellow people undergoing severe problems due to doing Sadhana on their own, after getting mantras from someplace. You should not try Sadhanas with Diksha, or without obtaining Guru's guidance.People on this list will give suggestions based on their self experience. However, your case may be different than others, and you should take this info & suggestion for inspiration and initial guidance. Better check with Gurudham or pujya Gurudev, before trying anything.If someone wants a Divine companionship, then why not take companionship of pujya Gurudev. It is definitely much much better to imbibe Gurutava in self, by doing various Guru Sadhanas, anushthaans etc. Taking companionship of Apsara as "Mother" is also a good option. However I would not recommend someone to do Pishachinis. The "Tantrik Sadhnayen" book lists a very painful letter from a Sadhak who tried Karna Pishachini with success, and after that started facing problems from "Her". He pleadingly requested Gurudev to take this Pishachini away from him, and this chapter is a must-read chapter.There are many techniques of doing Tantra. The vaampanthi, or Kaul way is very risky and un-society-like. This panth is singularly responsible for giving Tantriks a bad , suspicious name in the society. Pujya Gurudev has always advised to steer clear of this path, and has recommended Dakshina marg. Any family person can perform sadhanas of this path.There are many postings about tantrik problems or black magic. Your best bet is to contact Pujya Gurudev and/or Gurudham personally and take guidance from there. You should not go by advice of fellow members alone.thanks for sparing time to read this.Jai GurudevJay GurudevS Rajkumar rajkumar_v3 Check out the new Front Page. www. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2004 Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 JAI GURUDEV Dear Friend, > I would like to add that sadhana can be accomplished > even without a Guru. You are free to believe whatever you like; but, you certainly have no right to misguide others. Lord Shiv created all mantras, tantras, yantras etc. and locked (keelit) them to prevent them from being misused. Without the knowledge of the unlocking (utkeelan) procedure, no mantra, tantra, yantra can ever work, no matter what you think or do. Moreover, the power of a mantra is in it's sound which creates specific vibrations in a sadhak's soul, mind, body and his/her surroundings. Only and only an able Guru can teach you the correct pronunciation; without which the mantra won't work at all no matter how long you chant it. Tantra is like a weapon. It can protect you and it can kill you. Books, websites, pseudo-gurus can't teach you to use it properly without getting killed; only an able Guru can. I have performed many sadhanas; both simple and high level including Mahavidyas. Yes, I did initial thought like you and performed sadhana on my own; trust me, the results were horrible. Then, I realised the importance of a Guru, took diksha from Bade Guruji and never faced defeat again. Unfortunately, sadhanas are not kitchen utensils. Don't ever play with sadhanas, don't ever take sadhanas for granted, and don't ever perform sadhanas without an able Guru's guidance. Dear Mr. Moderator, Guru or no Guru? We've had this discussion a zillion times and I think, we've had enough of it. Unless we can break out of this loop, we can never progress. This is not a democratically open forum. You must strictly make sure that members here follow Gurudev's teachings. I am certainly not blaming my friend who is yet to understand the importance of a Guru; but, you should have sent him a personal mail requesting him not to make people believe that a Guru is not that important. As a moderator, this was your duty. If you are unable to do that, you certainly don't deserve 'the yellow star'. May Guruji bless you all. Ashish... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 Jaya Gurudev Ashish ji, You are absolutely right. The argument of whether Guru is needed or not should not be in this group. This group is for followers and only those who believe in gurudev plus this discussion doesn't take anyone nowhere and also been discussed several times. Arguments can be done or may be done in different groups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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