Adi Sankra

May 16, 2005

Hi Ajay,

Good writing, and thanks for the info.

I have a question though regarding the following...

"Those who commit the crime and those swear for revenge are equally

vulnerable. "

Does that mean that the one who commited crime shall go unpunished? Then

what about Arjun in Gita, who was asked to do the same by Lord Krishna.

Or may be I am taking this in a wrong way.

Please throw some light....

Thanks and Regards

Dp

ajay sharma wrote:

> Dear Brothers & Sisters,

>

> Today (13-05-05) is Jagadguru Adi Sankara’s Jayanti. Most of you know

> about his contribution to preserve the tradition and knowledge of

> ancient seers and unifying them under the umbrella of single

> philosophy. Kanchi Mutt is one of the four mutts established by Adi

> Sankra which has been carrying his tradition of knowledge for more

> than last 2500 years.

>

> Recently Kanchi Sankaracharya found himself in worldly trouble. Anger

> in His eyes said many things which words could not convey.

> Rationalists will say that the anger was due to the trouble He was

> facing. That view means celebrating on seeing the misery of famous.

>

> A little bit deeper look in His eyes during those days revealed

> volcano waiting for eruption. No body spoke with confidence in his

> favour. Although He would not have liked the people damaging public

> property on this issue but He expected at least some heartfelt

> concern. He also knows that people would bring heavens down if someone

> criticized Rajnikanth, but they hardly bothered for Mutt. I do not

> know how many disciples have taken Diksha from Him, but surely their

> attitude didn’t go well with Kanchi Sankra. Rage mixed with sadness in

> the eyes of a Guru does not tell anything good about his disciples.We

> do not know whether His desciples noticed this sad fact or not.

>

> Even the nature expressed its fury. Sea just broke through the shores

> of Tamil Nadu killing thousands. Shiva is Rudra also. Shiva is giver

> of life and He is the one who takes it away. Nobody can question Shiva

> as He is the reason and He is the result also. He can take away what

> He has given. Just like the owner writes in today's business world "

> he can cancel the privileges without notice and without assigning

> reasons". People just expressed condolences, put a few rupees in

> donation box, say a few words of sympathy and move on. They have no

> other choice. Some more sophistication will be added whenever

> disasters will strike in future. Just like we saw at Ground zero in

> New York after 9/11 during a prayer assembly in the memory of killed.

> Bill Clinton in tears and the CNN commentators goes to the extent of

> suggesting the use of weapons of mass destruction against the people

> responsible for it. All the high drama and show of anger with good

> programming to create a deliberate move to create an aura of anger and

> revenge.

>

> Those who commit the crime and those swear for revenge are equally

> vulnerable. What is absolute victory only a personality like Adi

> Sankra and explain. Born in the extreme tip of south Indian peninsular

> and going to conquer the whole of India upto the extrme tip of

> Himalayas in North India in Kashmir.

>

> We would have just read only stories about his life had it not been

> grace of our Gurudev who revealed to us the sadhnas Adi-Sankra did.

> Because of Gurudev only we are able to know abaout the magnitude of

> his persanlity and knowledge.

>

> Om Namah Shivaye

>

> Om Param Tatvaye Narayanaye Gurubhyo Namah

>

> Om Namah Shivaye

>

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May 17, 2005

By doing your duties, without expecting the reward that flows out of it, you are

not bound by Karma. (this is from Karma Yoga point of view).

The best way of explaining this following verse "Those who commit the crime and

those swear for revenge are equallyvulnerable" is that in both these actions

you are creating Karma around. Karma can be considered as a disturbance, a

vibration which lingers for a brief moment of time. Moreover both these actions

give rise to negative energies, which gives rise to Grief, Infatuation, Anger.

So is the word Vulnerable used. If I'm wrong do correct me.

For further studies, refer Bhagavad Gita.

Feel free to contact me, if you have any questions.

Regards,

Saravana Kumar K

On 5/16/05, Dhirendra Pal Singh <dp_singh (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote:

Hi Ajay,Good writing, and thanks for the info.I have a question though regarding the following...

"Those who commit the crime and those swear for revenge are equallyvulnerable.

"Does that mean that the one who commited crime shall go unpunished? Thenwhat

about Arjun in Gita, who was asked to do the same by Lord Krishna.

Or may be I am taking this in a wrong way.Please throw some light....Thanks and

RegardsDpajay sharma wrote:> Dear Brothers & Sisters,>> Today (13-05-05) is

Jagadguru Adi Sankara's Jayanti. Most of you know

> about his contribution to preserve the tradition and knowledge of> ancient

seers and unifying them under the umbrella of single> philosophy. Kanchi Mutt

is one of the four mutts established by Adi

> Sankra which has been carrying his tradition of knowledge for more> than last

2500 years.>> Recently Kanchi Sankaracharya found himself in worldly trouble.

Anger> in His eyes said many things which words could not convey.

> Rationalists will say that the anger was due to the trouble He was> facing.

That view means celebrating on seeing the misery of famous.>> A little bit

deeper look in His eyes during those days revealed

> volcano waiting for eruption. No body spoke with confidence in his> favour.

Although He would not have liked the people damaging public> property on this

issue but He expected at least some heartfelt

> concern. He also knows that people would bring heavens down if someone>

criticized Rajnikanth, but they hardly bothered for Mutt. I do not> know how

many disciples have taken Diksha from Him, but surely their

> attitude didn't go well with Kanchi Sankra. Rage mixed with sadness in> the

eyes of a Guru does not tell anything good about his disciples.We> do not know

whether His desciples noticed this sad fact or not.

>> Even the nature expressed its fury. Sea just broke through the shores> of

Tamil Nadu killing thousands. Shiva is Rudra also. Shiva is giver> of life and

He is the one who takes it away. Nobody can question Shiva

> as He is the reason and He is the result also. He can take away what> He has

given. Just like the owner writes in today's business world "> he can cancel

the privileges without notice and without assigning

> reasons". People just expressed condolences, put a few rupees in> donation

box, say a few words of sympathy and move on. They have no> other choice. Some

more sophistication will be added whenever

> disasters will strike in future. Just like we saw at Ground zero in> New York

after 9/11 during a prayer assembly in the memory of killed.> Bill Clinton in

tears and the CNN commentators goes to the extent of

> suggesting the use of weapons of mass destruction against the people>

responsible for it. All the high drama and show of anger with good> programming

to create a deliberate move to create an aura of anger and

> revenge.>> Those who commit the crime and those swear for revenge are equally>

vulnerable. What is absolute victory only a personality like Adi> Sankra and

explain. Born in the extreme tip of south Indian peninsular

> and going to conquer the whole of India upto the extrme tip of> Himalayas in

North India in Kashmir.>> We would have just read only stories about his life

had it not been> grace of our Gurudev who revealed to us the sadhnas Adi-Sankra

did.

> Because of Gurudev only we are able to know abaout the magnitude of> his

persanlity and knowledge.>> Om Namah Shivaye>> Om Param Tatvaye Narayanaye

Gurubhyo Namah>> Om Namah Shivaye

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May 18, 2005

It is right that in Mahabharata Sri Krishna's teachingsin the form of Geeta has

some meaning as per your reasoningalso. But you see a few other things

simulutaneously also.When Draupdi was being humiliated in the court of

DhritrashtraBheema took the pledge to smash the lap of Duryodhna on which he

offered Draupdi to sit. Arjuna swore revenge from Karana when Karna called

Draupdi a prostitute for being wife of five men.Now when Arjuna was standing on

the battle front, what happened to him?Had he forgotten his pledge? Had he

forgotten pledge of hisbrother Bheema?When it came to taking up pledge they

took it just in the fit of anger and humiliation. Of course any person with

self dignity will do that.

But what happened when Arjuna came to face the hour of reckoning?Where all those

hot words & pledges went ?Where has gone his courage which motivated him to

swear revenge?

It just shows that there is something else which a person needs to be victorious

and conquer over evil. To punish the guilty is something any person will agree.

But is it that easy to do?Every person can list many words of wisdom about how

a person should live a life, but anyone of them can fully explain,how? Can they

themselve make that happen what they say?

Therefore what we wrote in our mail was in that context only.We just wanted to

convey just simple fact that in the process of visualising ourselves as person

or as nation of supreme power and virtue do we just overlook what we basically

are made of?Do we really know the consequences of our goals? Do we really know

how far we will be able to carry on our own strength?

Om Namah ShivayeOm Param Tatvaye Narayanaye Gurubhyo NamahOm Namah Shivaye

Dhirendra Pal Singh <dp_singh (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote:

Hi Ajay,Good writing, and thanks for the info.I have a question though regarding

the following..."Those who commit the crime and those swear for revenge are

equally vulnerable. "Does that mean that the one who commited crime shall go

unpunished? Then what about Arjun in Gita, who was asked to do the same by Lord

Krishna. Or may be I am taking this in a wrong way.Please throw some

light....Thanks and RegardsDpajay sharma wrote:> Dear Brothers & Sisters,>>

Today (13-05-05) is Jagadguru Adi Sankara’s Jayanti. Most of you know >

about his contribution to preserve the tradition and knowledge of > ancient

seers and unifying them under the umbrella of single > philosophy. Kanchi Mutt

is one of the four mutts established by Adi > Sankra which has been carrying

his

tradition of knowledge for more > than last 2500 years.>> Recently Kanchi

Sankaracharya found himself in worldly trouble. Anger > in His eyes said many

things which words could not convey. > Rationalists will say that the anger was

due to the trouble He was > facing. That view means celebrating on seeing the

misery of famous.>> A little bit deeper look in His eyes during those days

revealed > volcano waiting for eruption. No body spoke with confidence in his >

favour. Although He would not have liked the people damaging public > property

on this issue but He expected at least some heartfelt > concern. He also knows

that people would bring heavens down if someone > criticized Rajnikanth, but

they hardly bothered for Mutt. I do not > know how many disciples have taken

Diksha from Him, but surely their > attitude didn’t go well with Kanchi

Sankra. Rage mixed with sadness in

> the eyes of a Guru does not tell anything good about his disciples.We > do not

know whether His desciples noticed this sad fact or not.>> Even the nature

expressed its fury. Sea just broke through the shores > of Tamil Nadu killing

thousands. Shiva is Rudra also. Shiva is giver > of life and He is the one who

takes it away. Nobody can question Shiva > as He is the reason and He is the

result also. He can take away what > He has given. Just like the owner writes

in today's business world " > he can cancel the privileges without notice and

without assigning > reasons". People just expressed condolences, put a few

rupees in > donation box, say a few words of sympathy and move on. They have no

> other choice. Some more sophistication will be added whenever > disasters will

strike in future. Just like we saw at Ground zero in > New York after 9/11

during a prayer assembly in the memory of

killed. > Bill Clinton in tears and the CNN commentators goes to the extent of >

suggesting the use of weapons of mass destruction against the people >

responsible for it. All the high drama and show of anger with good >

programming to create a deliberate move to create an aura of anger and >

revenge.>> Those who commit the crime and those swear for revenge are equally >

vulnerable. What is absolute victory only a personality like Adi > Sankra and

explain. Born in the extreme tip of south Indian peninsular > and going to

conquer the whole of India upto the extrme tip of > Himalayas in North India in

Kashmir.>> We would have just read only stories about his life had it not been >

grace of our Gurudev who revealed to us the sadhnas Adi-Sankra did. > Because of

Gurudev only we are able to know abaout the magnitude of > his persanlity and

knowledge.>> Om Namah

Shivaye>> Om Param Tatvaye Narayanaye Gurubhyo Namah>> Om Namah Shivaye>>

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May 18, 2005

Mahabharatha has been rightly called the Book of Dharma. Dharma can be defined

as the Right way of living in this world. People were confused of what Dharma

is, to simplify things, Dharma is explained in the form of story, the

Mahabharatha. so that even the illiterate can understand the way of living. Let

me discuss your questions as far as my small intellect can reach

But what happened when Arjuna came to face the hour of reckoning?Where all those

hot words & pledges went ?Where has gone his courage which motivated him to

swear revenge?

This is the character of a saintly person. He forgives even those, who has done

bad against him. Arjuna is spoken of as an incarnation of the divine Sage

'Nara'. Such a depiction of his character is not a wonder. Look at this

beautiful verse from 2nd chapter of Bhagavad Gita - "Wise men do not grieve for

the Living nor the Dead".

The wise people know why Good and Bad incidents happen in this world, No, they

are beyond the feelings of Good, Bad and such Dualities.

Every person can list many words of wisdom about how a person should live a

life, but anyone of them can fully explain,how? Can they themselve make that

happen what they say?

Yes, There are thousands of people who define and preach thousands of different

ways in this world. You can apply the theory of relativity here. All these

paths are relative to each other, ie they are different from each other. But

there is only one Absolute Truth, which no one can deny. That is the essence of

this entire creation. The absolute character is difficult to attain yet easy. It

can be only attained by the grace of God. I personally feel that we are mere

dwarfs before personalities like Adi Shankara and Guruji. They have gone

through the toughest things in life and realized the end, The absolute, beyond

the relative things. May the great souls guide us through our lives. May we try

to live a perfect life for the benefit of the society.

Aum Shanthi Shanthi Shathi

On 5/18/05, ajay sharma <sharva_ajay (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Dear Brother,

It is right that in Mahabharata Sri Krishna's teachingsin the form of Geeta has

some meaning as per your reasoningalso. But you see a few other things

simulutaneously also.When Draupdi was being humiliated in the court of

Dhritrashtra

Bheema took the pledge to smash the lap of Duryodhna on which he offered Draupdi

to sit. Arjuna swore revenge from Karana when Karna called Draupdi a prostitute

for being wife of five men.Now when Arjuna was standing on the battle front,

what happened to him?

Had he forgotten his pledge? Had he forgotten pledge of hisbrother Bheema?When

it came to taking up pledge they took it just in the fit of anger and

humiliation. Of course any person with self dignity will do that.

But what happened when Arjuna came to face the hour of reckoning?Where all those

hot words & pledges went ?Where has gone his courage which motivated him to

swear revenge?

It just shows that there is something else which a person needs to be victorious

and conquer over evil. To punish the guilty is something any person will agree.

But is it that easy to do?Every person can list many words of wisdom about how

a person should live a life, but anyone of them can fully explain,how? Can they

themselve make that happen what they say?

Therefore what we wrote in our mail was in that context only.We just wanted to

convey just simple fact that in the process of visualising ourselves as person

or as nation of supreme power and virtue do we just overlook what we basically

are made of?Do we really know the consequences of our goals? Do we really know

how far we will be able to carry on our own strength?

Om Namah ShivayeOm Param Tatvaye Narayanaye Gurubhyo NamahOm Namah Shivaye

Dhirendra Pal Singh <dp_singh (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote:

Hi Ajay,Good writing, and thanks for the info.I have a question though regarding

the following..."Those who commit the crime and those swear for revenge are

equally vulnerable. "Does that mean that the one who commited crime shall go

unpunished? Then what about Arjun in Gita, who was asked to do the same by Lord

Krishna. Or may be I am taking this in a wrong way.

Please throw some light....Thanks and RegardsDpajay sharma wrote:> Dear Brothers

& Sisters,>> Today (13-05-05) is Jagadguru Adi Sankara's Jayanti. Most of you

know > about his contribution to preserve the tradition and knowledge of >

ancient seers and unifying them under the umbrella of single > philosophy.

Kanchi Mutt is one of the four mutts established by Adi > Sankra which has been

carrying his tradition of knowledge for more > than last 2500 years.>> Recently

Kanchi Sankaracharya found himself in worldly trouble. Anger > in His eyes said

many things which words could not convey. > Rationalists will say that the anger

was due to the trouble He was > facing. That view means celebrating on seeing

the misery of famous.>> A little bit deeper look in His eyes during those days

revealed > volcano waiting for eruption. No body spoke with confidence in his >

favour. Although He would not have liked the people damaging public > property

on this issue but He expected at least some heartfelt > concern. He also knows

that people would bring heavens down if someone > criticized Rajnikanth, but

they hardly bothered for Mutt. I do not > know how many disciples have taken

Diksha from Him, but surely their > attitude didn't go well with Kanchi Sankra.

Rage mixed with sadness in > the eyes of a Guru does not tell anything good

about his disciples.We > do not know whether His desciples noticed this sad

fact or not.

>> Even the nature expressed its fury. Sea just broke through the shores > of

Tamil Nadu killing thousands. Shiva is Rudra also. Shiva is giver > of life and

He is the one who takes it away. Nobody can question Shiva > as He is the reason

and He is the result also. He can take away what > He has given. Just like the

owner writes in today's business world " > he can cancel the privileges without

notice and without assigning > reasons". People just expressed condolences, put

a few rupees in > donation box, say a few words of sympathy and move on. They

have no > other choice. Some more sophistication will be added whenever >

disasters will strike in future. Just like we saw at Ground zero in > New York

after 9/11 during a prayer assembly in the memory of killed. > Bill Clinton in

tears and the CNN commentators goes to the extent of > suggesting the use of

weapons of mass destruction against the people > responsible for it. All the

high drama and show of anger with good > programming to create a deliberate

move to create an aura of anger and > revenge.>> Those who commit the crime and

those swear for revenge are equally > vulnerable. What is absolute victory only

a personality like Adi > Sankra and explain. Born in the extreme tip of south

Indian peninsular > and going to conquer the whole of India upto the extrme tip

of > Himalayas in North India in Kashmir.>> We would have just read only stories

about his life had it not been > grace of our Gurudev who revealed to us the

sadhnas Adi-Sankra did. > Because of Gurudev only we are able to know abaout

the magnitude of > his persanlity and knowledge.>> Om Namah Shivaye>> Om Param

Tatvaye Narayanaye Gurubhyo Namah>> Om Namah Shivaye

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May 21, 2005

Dear Brother,

We would request you explain as per your interpretation:-

1) Arjuna is Incarnation of Nara. Then why he got angry at the first place

itself.If he is saintly person when it comes to fighting the war, what was he

when he got angry with Karna? Shouldnt' a saintly person forgive any mistake

even the words said by Karna about Draupdi? What was the need of swearing

revenge at the first place itself? If he could take high moral ground before

the beginning of final battle, why not in the court of Dhritrashtra?

Please separate Shri Krishna verses from Bhagwat Gita from the character of

Arjuna and others. "Wise men dont grieve for living or dead" these verses were

said by Shri Krishna. We fully accept the validity of all verses containing

Shree Krishnas teachings. We are not putting any counter arguements agaisnt

them. Shree Krishna is Shodahkala Purna Purusha and He showed the right path of

Dharam to Arjuna. We know that and accept with love and respect. Shri Krishna is

called Jagatguru just like Adi Sankra.

The point here is not to judge the efficacy of Shri Krishna's teachings in Bhagwat Geeta.

Shri Krishna's role is that of like Guru in the life of shishya.

On the other hand there is Arjuna who even after listening the words of wisdom

was unable to move forward untill Shri Krsihna showed him His "viraat

roopa"(Divine form).

Now the point is that every person gets stuck up somewhere in his life somehwere

just like Arjuna. There is no need to differentiate on the basis of

caste,religion,literacy or sex. The presence of a personality like Shree

Krishna in one's life makes the whole difference. Otherwise the words of wisdom

existed even before Shri Krishna gave the message of Geeta. All Vedas were

already in existence and Arjuna was fully aware of them. Still he was stuck up

on the path of Dharma. It means words of wisdom as such produce little results

in the path of dharma untill they come from your Guru. In this case Shree

Krishna is Guru of Arjuna. Only having a Guru just for the sake of it also not

sufficient for absolute victory. A person should have full faith Him also so

that he follows the commands of his Guru without any doubt. Arjuna lacked that

faith in Shree Krishna when he came to battle front. Then shree Krishna used

His divine message to make Arjuna realise his true nature and

his true path.

Shree Krishna could not fully succeed by that also,Finally he showed Arjuna his

Divine form. That made Arjuna to bent on his knees in front of Shree Krishna.

Whole universe revoled before Arjuna and he had to accept that Shree Krishna is

no ordinary human being . This created deeper faith in the mind of Arjuna for

Shree Krishna. After that he could obey all commands of Shree Krishna without

any doubt or hesitation till the final victory in the battle of Mahabharata.

Just by repeating the verses said by Shree Krishna we can not understand the

essence of Geeta. We should have a Guru like Shree Krishna in our life. We

should be able to generate the deep faith like that of Arjuna. Then only we

will overcome the state of indecision and grief. An able Guru like Shree

Krishna makes his disciple see the divine law of karma.

Our basic thinking is that religious texts are used to give arguements and

counter arguements. We must be able to look beyond the obivious and in terms of

pratical realities of todays' life. We will always present the views which are

there deep in the base on which building of whole philosophy is standing. We

would be intrested to know what we have overlooked in conveying our message.

Om Namah Shivaye

Om Param Tatvaye Narayanaye Gurubhyo Namah

Om Namah Shivaye

Saravana Kumar <ksaravanakumar > wrote:

Dear Ajay,