HareKrisna argument that Siva is mere Demi-God defeated!

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Jai Gurudev!!

Om Namah shivaya!

Paramhansa Swami Nikhileshwarananda ki Jai!!

 

I would like to invite fellow sadhaks to read the Hare Krsna argument defeated

by me that

Lord sadashiva is a mere demi-God! This demiGod label is very widely and

aggressively

preached by the Iskcon followers adn Gurus (acharyas) who claim every other

philosophy

to be useless and inferior except their own. What's more they often claim that

Shiva is not

capable of liberating and that he depends on Krsna to do that. Another hilarious

belief is

that if you app[roach so called demiGods for material benefits, then they take

something

from your next life and give it to you in your this life and then you suffer in

next life for it!

I challenged all HareKrsna Gurus to prove and show me one verse (as they always

argue on

verses) where Krsna says that and they couldn't comment anything.

Just thought this might be interesting for some one to read.

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venturing into sadhana and they hide it cleverly by their "famous logic....aka

"kutarka".people who are incapable of doing tantra sadhana cant afford see

others moving on this path and getting success. "never argue with

fools....they reduce u to their own level and then beat u with

experience"leondonjack <leondonjack > wrote: Jai Gurudev!!Om Namah

shivaya! Paramhansa Swami Nikhileshwarananda ki Jai!!I would like to invite

fellow sadhaks to read the Hare Krsna argument defeated by me that Lord

sadashiva is a mere demi-God! This demiGod label is very widely and

aggressively preached by the Iskcon followers adn Gurus (acharyas) who claim

every other philosophy to be useless and inferior except their own. What's more

they often claim that Shiva is not capable

of liberating and that he depends on Krsna to do that. Another hilarious belief

is that if you app[roach so called demiGods for material benefits, then they

take something from your next life and give it to you in your this life and

then you suffer in next life for it! I challenged all HareKrsna Gurus to prove

and show me one verse (as they always argue on verses) where Krsna says that

and they couldn't comment anything. Just thought this might be interesting for

some one to read.part of the message is loaded in "FILES" section. Also, here

is the link where the message is located starting near end of the page. To read

please copy - paste the link below to your

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liberating and that he depends on Krsna to do that. Another hilarious belief is

that if you app[roach so called demiGods for material benefits, then they take

something from your next life and give it to you in your this life and then you

suffer in next life for it! I challenged all HareKrsna Gurus to prove and show

me one verse (as they always argue on verses) where Krsna says that and they

couldn't comment anything. Just thought this might be interesting for some one

to read.part of the message is loaded in "FILES" section. Also, here is the

link where the message is located starting near end of the page. To read please

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Dear Gurubhai Aditya,

 

Jai Gurudev!!

 

I seldom get into an argument with such people, but they keep abusing Lord Shiva

and

tantra while themselves praising theor own sect. After a while, it got too much,

so I had to

challenge them. The verses they quote from Bhagwad Puran and Gita are translated

by

Prabhupada in his own understanding of it and overlooks any other aspect of

Vedic culture

of which tantra is an inseperable path. Interestingly enough they claim

themselves to be a

pure Vedic culture, but at the same time also claim that all the Vedic mantras

have become

"useless" in kaliyuga, adn all the practices are not possible to do!! How can

they be Vedic

then?? The whole system is based on 'Achintya bheda-bhed philosophy which is not

any

older than 500 years that took shape after Chaitanya Mahaprabhu.

Prabhupada even said that Vivekananda and his divine Guru Sri RamaKrishna

Paramhamsa

as well as Paramhansa Yogananda were "rascals" and "hodge-podge Gurus". What can

I say

after this!! HE came to west after them and had to establish his sect.

Also interestingly, these people (as you rightly mentioned) say that all these

tantras and

astrology and yoga etc are basically not worth anything, but themselves,

secretly go and

seek services of local tantriks, take up yoga classes and get astrological

charts made.

Another interesting thing that Prabhupada said and the followers repeat is that

there is no

such word as 'HIndu' in the vedas and that it is just a "hodge-podge collection

of dried out

confused branches of knowledge not practicla anymore". But they think what they

preach

is sanatana dharma whereas it is just the opposite. Hinduim is sanatana dharma

with all

different branches of tantra, yoga, mantra practices. But recently when they had

to

advertise a new temple in Russia to collect funds from Hindus they started

marketing it as

"First Hindu Temple in Russia". Lol! Needless to say the land alloted to them

was taken

away from them. A lot of hypocracy!! But you are right nothing much comes out of

this

argument. But still sometimes it becomes a necessity not to keep on taking BS

from them.

As Gurudev taught us - do not harm others, but also do not let others harm you.

 

Regards,

 

Jai Gurudev!!

 

 

, aditya <tantrasiddhi> wrote:

>

> dear leondonjack,

>

> they are so ignorant that they do not realise and are "incapable" to grasp

krishna

bhagwans teachings.iskon is a wonderful thing started by sri prabhupada but

unfortunately it has degraded so much.

>

> ur post also reminds me of some hare iskon people i have met.they were

anti-tantra

upto the core.without realising that bhakti yoga is also aTANTRA.there are 2

sorts of

people who speak against tantra.

>

> 1.people who realise the power that belongs to this path but want to delude

other

people for their own selfish intrest(btw have u noticed that most of the time

people who

speak against vashikaran etc on the top of their voice are the first to do

vashikaran prayog

on someone according to their convinience...this is called "convenient

philosophy").in my

life i have met many many people like this.

>

> 2.people who are afraid of venturing into sadhana and they hide it cleverly

by their

"famous logic....aka "kutarka".people who are incapable of doing tantra sadhana

cant

afford see others moving on this path and getting success.

>

>

> "never argue with fools....they reduce u to their own level and then beat u

with

experience"

>

> leondonjack <leondonjack> wrote:

> Jai Gurudev!!

> Om Namah shivaya!

> Paramhansa Swami Nikhileshwarananda ki Jai!!

>

> I would like to invite fellow sadhaks to read the Hare Krsna argument defeated

by me

that

> Lord sadashiva is a mere demi-God! This demiGod label is very widely and

aggressively

> preached by the Iskcon followers adn Gurus (acharyas) who claim every other

philosophy

> to be useless and inferior except their own. What's more they often claim that

Shiva is

not

> capable of liberating and that he depends on Krsna to do that. Another

hilarious belief is

> that if you app[roach so called demiGods for material benefits, then they take

something

> from your next life and give it to you in your this life and then you suffer

in next life for

it!

> I challenged all HareKrsna Gurus to prove and show me one verse (as they

always argue

on

> verses) where Krsna says that and they couldn't comment anything.

> Just thought this might be interesting for some one to read.

> part of the message is loaded in "FILES" section. Also, here is the link where

the

message

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that they do not realise and are "incapable" to grasp krishna bhagwans

teachings.iskon is a wonderful thing started by sri prabhupada but

unfortunately it has degraded so much. ur post also reminds me of some hare

iskon people i have met.they were anti-tantra upto the core.without realising

that bhakti yoga is also aTANTRA.there are 2 sorts of people who speak against

tantra. 1.people who realise the power that belongs to this path but want to

delude other people for their own selfish intrest(btw have u noticed that most

of the time people who speak against vashikaran etc on the top of their voice

are the first to do vashikaran prayog on someone according to their

convinience...this is called "convenient philosophy").in my life i have met

many many people like this. 2.people who are afraid of venturing into sadhana

and they hide it cleverly by their "famous

logic....aka "kutarka".people who are incapable of doing tantra sadhana cant

afford see others moving on this path and getting success. "never argue

with fools....they reduce u to their own level and then beat u with

experience"leondonjack <leondonjack > wrote: Jai Gurudev!!Om Namah

shivaya! Paramhansa Swami Nikhileshwarananda ki Jai!!I would like to invite

fellow sadhaks to read the Hare Krsna argument defeated by me that Lord

sadashiva is a mere demi-God! This demiGod label is very widely and

aggressively preached by the Iskcon followers adn Gurus (acharyas) who claim

every other philosophy to be useless and inferior except their own. What's more

they often claim that Shiva is not capable of liberating and that he depends on

Krsna to do that. Another

hilarious belief is that if you app[roach so called demiGods for material

benefits, then they take something from your next life and give it to you in

your this life and then you suffer in next life for it! I challenged all

HareKrsna Gurus to prove and show me one verse (as they always argue on verses)

where Krsna says that and they couldn't comment anything. Just thought this

might be interesting for some one to read.part of the message is loaded in

"FILES" section. Also, here is the link where the message is located starting

near end of the page. To read please copy - paste the link below to your

browser:http://www.hare-krishna.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=HareKrishnaNews&Number=8838&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=2&vc=1Jai

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Jai Gurudev!!

The point you raised is true! And there is no argument

on this. If they would stick with their form of the

Lord and consider him the Supreme and only form worth

leasing, hen there is no problem! But if I am a Shiva

devotee and they come to me and assert that Shiva is

just a small demi-God and nothing more, then this is a

problem!! Otherwise, its fine. We understand that each

sadhak should be atached to the form of God he is

doing sadhna on!! But if I have one form of God in my

mind and then I go around and tell everybody else that

they are all "rascals" and fools beacuse they pray any

other form except this, then there is a problem!! Of

Course Lord Shiva's devotees and Lord Vishnu's

devotees also accept the other adn respect them

mostly, but not in Gaudiya tradition. Not in Iskcon!

 

--- uj9vy uj9vy <uj9vy1 wrote:

 

> I would to raise the point here that we should not

> get involved in squabbling.

> Let me start by telling you the 2 sects of Siva

> and Vishnu’s each accept their deity, as the highest

> manifestation of Bramah.Each is right in his own

> belief. Unless one has highest devotion on his deity

> he cannot expect to progress further. So if the Hare

> Krshna group accept Shree Krshna as the highest

> manifest then they are right.

>

> The true devotee / Sadhak will never criticise

> anyone for their beliefs. He will be engrossed into

> his devotion. Only the people without conviction

> would start critising others.

>

> Lets end the arguments here and just be true to your

> deity.

>

>

>

>

> aditya <tantrasiddhi wrote:

> dear leondonjack,

>

> they are so ignorant that they do not realise and

> are "incapable" to grasp krishna bhagwans

> teachings.iskon is a wonderful thing started by sri

> prabhupada but unfortunately it has degraded so

> much.

>

> ur post also reminds me of some hare iskon people

> i have met.they were anti-tantra upto the

> core.without realising that bhakti yoga is also

> aTANTRA.there are 2 sorts of people who speak

> against tantra.

>

> 1.people who realise the power that belongs to

> this path but want to delude other people for their

> own selfish intrest(btw have u noticed that most of

> the time people who speak against vashikaran etc on

> the top of their voice are the first to do

> vashikaran prayog on someone according to their

> convinience...this is called "convenient

> philosophy").in my life i have met many many people

> like this.

>

> 2.people who are afraid of venturing into sadhana

> and they hide it cleverly by their "famous

> logic....aka "kutarka".people who are incapable of

> doing tantra sadhana cant afford see others moving

> on this path and getting success.

>

>

> "never argue with fools....they reduce u to their

> own level and then beat u with experience"

>

> leondonjack <leondonjack wrote:

> Jai Gurudev!!

> Om Namah shivaya!

> Paramhansa Swami Nikhileshwarananda ki Jai!!

>

> I would like to invite fellow sadhaks to read the

> Hare Krsna argument defeated by me that

> Lord sadashiva is a mere demi-God! This demiGod

> label is very widely and aggressively

> preached by the Iskcon followers adn Gurus

> (acharyas) who claim every other philosophy

> to be useless and inferior except their own. What's

> more they often claim that Shiva is not

> capable of liberating and that he depends on Krsna

> to do that. Another hilarious belief is

> that if you app[roach so called demiGods for

> material benefits, then they take something

> from your next life and give it to you in your this

> life and then you suffer in next life for it!

> I challenged all HareKrsna Gurus to prove and show

> me one verse (as they always argue on

> verses) where Krsna says that and they couldn't

> comment anything.

> Just thought this might be interesting for some one

> to read.

> part of the message is loaded in "FILES" section.

> Also, here is the link where the message

> is located starting near end of the page. To read

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Cat=&Board=HareKrishnaNews&Number=8838&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart

> =2&vc=1

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If Bhagavad Gita is translated like this, they have not even spared Srimad

Bhagavata Purana. I've read both these books from ISKCON as well as other

versions from Gita Press.These people go to the extent of calling followers of

other philosophies as followers of Demons. I don't understand the meaning of

Demi God, there is no such term in our vedas nor is there any term which

translates to "Supreme Personality of Godhead".

They don't understand the equality of Shiva and Krishna, the way it is

described, people follow might be different, but the final goal reached is the

one. neither of them is low. both are the ways of the supreme.

I'm not cricticising anyone here ... I go to Hare Krishna temple regularly.

Because I like them as a concept. Might be it would have been great if they

were more refined in the understanding of the Puranas and the Vedas. I'm

writing this because of my greatest respect for the Indian tradition.

OM TAT SATOn 12/8/05, leon don <leondonjack > wrote:

Jai Gurudev!!

The point you raised is true! And there is no argument

on this. If they would stick with their form of the

Lord and consider him the Supreme and only form worth

leasing, hen there is no problem! But if I am a Shiva

devotee and they come to me and assert that Shiva is

just a small demi-God and nothing more, then this is a

problem!! Otherwise, its fine. We understand that each

sadhak should be atached to the form of God he is

doing sadhna on!! But if I have one form of God in my

mind and then I go around and tell everybody else that

they are all "rascals" and fools beacuse they pray any

other form except this, then there is a problem!! Of

Course Lord Shiva's devotees and Lord Vishnu's

devotees also accept the other adn respect them

mostly, but not in Gaudiya tradition. Not in Iskcon!

--- uj9vy uj9vy <uj9vy1 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

> I would to raise the point here that we should not

> get involved in squabbling.

> Let me start by telling you the 2 sects of Siva

> and Vishnu's each accept their deity, as the highest

> manifestation of Bramah.Each is right in his own

> belief. Unless one has highest devotion on his deity

> he cannot expect to progress further. So if the Hare

> Krshna group accept Shree Krshna as the highest

> manifest then they are right.

>

> The true devotee / Sadhak will never criticise

> anyone for their beliefs. He will be engrossed into

> his devotion. Only the people without conviction

> would start critising others.

>

> Lets end the arguments here and just be true to your

> deity.

>

>

>

>

> aditya <tantrasiddhi (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

> dear leondonjack,

>

> they are so ignorant that they do not realise and

> are "incapable" to grasp krishna bhagwans

> teachings.iskon is a wonderful thing started by sri

> prabhupada but unfortunately it has degraded so

> much.

>

> ur post also reminds me of some hare iskon people

> i have met.they were anti-tantra upto the

> core.without realising that bhakti yoga is also

> aTANTRA.there are 2 sorts of people who speak

> against tantra.

>

> 1.people who realise the power that belongs to

> this path but want to delude other people for their

> own selfish intrest(btw have u noticed that most of

> the time people who speak against vashikaran etc on

> the top of their voice are the first to do

> vashikaran prayog on someone according to their

> convinience...this is called "convenient

> philosophy").in my life i have met many many people

> like this.

>

> 2.people who are afraid of venturing into sadhana

> and they hide it cleverly by their "famous

> logic....aka "kutarka".people who are incapable of

> doing tantra sadhana cant afford see others moving

> on this path and getting success.

>

>

> "never argue with fools....they reduce u to their

> own level and then beat u with experience"

>

> leondonjack <leondonjack > wrote:

> Jai Gurudev!!

> Om Namah shivaya!

> Paramhansa Swami Nikhileshwarananda ki Jai!!

>

> I would like to invite fellow sadhaks to read the

> Hare Krsna argument defeated by me that

> Lord sadashiva is a mere demi-God! This demiGod

> label is very widely and aggressively

> preached by the Iskcon followers adn Gurus

> (acharyas) who claim every other philosophy

> to be useless and inferior except their own. What's

> more they often claim that Shiva is not

> capable of liberating and that he depends on Krsna

> to do that. Another hilarious belief is

> that if you app[roach so called demiGods for

> material benefits, then they take something

> from your next life and give it to you in your this

> life and then you suffer in next life for it!

> I challenged all HareKrsna Gurus to prove and show

> me one verse (as they always argue on

> verses) where Krsna says that and they couldn't

> comment anything.

> Just thought this might be interesting for some one

> to read.

> part of the message is loaded in "FILES" section.

> Also, here is the link where the message

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dear sadhaks,

 

i partially agree with u.it is true."if u want to

measure ur thing then there is no point in being afraid of the scale"

 

lmao

ritesh

 

 

 

 

, aditya <tantrasiddhi> wrote:

>

> dear leondonjack,

>

> they are so ignorant that they do not realise and

are "incapable" to grasp krishna bhagwans teachings.iskon is a

wonderful thing started by sri prabhupada but unfortunately it has

degraded so much.

>

> ur post also reminds me of some hare iskon people i have

met.they were anti-tantra upto the core.without realising that

bhakti yoga is also aTANTRA.there are 2 sorts of people who speak

against tantra.

>

> 1.people who realise the power that belongs to this path but

want to delude other people for their own selfish intrest(btw have u

noticed that most of the time people who speak against vashikaran

etc on the top of their voice are the first to do vashikaran prayog

on someone according to their convinience...this is

called "convenient philosophy").in my life i have met many many

people like this.

>

> 2.people who are afraid of venturing into sadhana and they hide

it cleverly by their "famous logic....aka "kutarka".people who are

incapable of doing tantra sadhana cant afford see others moving on

this path and getting success.

>

>

> "never argue with fools....they reduce u to their own level and

then beat u with experience"

>

> leondonjack <leondonjack> wrote:

> Jai Gurudev!!

> Om Namah shivaya!

> Paramhansa Swami Nikhileshwarananda ki Jai!!

>

> I would like to invite fellow sadhaks to read the Hare Krsna

argument defeated by me that

> Lord sadashiva is a mere demi-God! This demiGod label is very

widely and aggressively

> preached by the Iskcon followers adn Gurus (acharyas) who claim

every other philosophy

> to be useless and inferior except their own. What's more they

often claim that Shiva is not

> capable of liberating and that he depends on Krsna to do that.

Another hilarious belief is

> that if you app[roach so called demiGods for material benefits,

then they take something

> from your next life and give it to you in your this life and then

you suffer in next life for it!

> I challenged all HareKrsna Gurus to prove and show me one verse

(as they always argue on

> verses) where Krsna says that and they couldn't comment anything.

> Just thought this might be interesting for some one to read.

> part of the message is loaded in "FILES" section. Also, here is

the link where the message

> is located starting near end of the page. To read please copy -

paste the link below to your

> browser:

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would hurt the sentiment of not only Hindus but of every human being

regardless their religion following any faith. The nudity involves

Hindu deities that include Lord Hanuman, Goddess Durga and Goddess

Sita

 

We urge you to please visit

 

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And sign the petition protesting against the book and Mr. M.F.

Husain.

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, "gujjuchokro2002"

<gujjuchokro2002> wrote:

>

> dear sadhaks,

>

> i partially agree with u.it is true."if u want to

> measure ur thing then there is no point in being afraid of the

scale"

>

> lmao

> ritesh

>

>

>

>

> , aditya <tantrasiddhi> wrote:

> >

> > dear leondonjack,

> >

> > they are so ignorant that they do not realise and

> are "incapable" to grasp krishna bhagwans teachings.iskon is a

> wonderful thing started by sri prabhupada but unfortunately it

has

> degraded so much.

> >

> > ur post also reminds me of some hare iskon people i have

> met.they were anti-tantra upto the core.without realising that

> bhakti yoga is also aTANTRA.there are 2 sorts of people who speak

> against tantra.

> >

> > 1.people who realise the power that belongs to this path but

> want to delude other people for their own selfish intrest(btw have

u

> noticed that most of the time people who speak against vashikaran

> etc on the top of their voice are the first to do vashikaran

prayog

> on someone according to their convinience...this is

> called "convenient philosophy").in my life i have met many many

> people like this.

> >

> > 2.people who are afraid of venturing into sadhana and they

hide

> it cleverly by their "famous logic....aka "kutarka".people who are

> incapable of doing tantra sadhana cant afford see others moving on

> this path and getting success.

> >

> >

> > "never argue with fools....they reduce u to their own level

and

> then beat u with experience"

> >

> > leondonjack <leondonjack> wrote:

> > Jai Gurudev!!

> > Om Namah shivaya!

> > Paramhansa Swami Nikhileshwarananda ki Jai!!

> >

> > I would like to invite fellow sadhaks to read the Hare Krsna

> argument defeated by me that

> > Lord sadashiva is a mere demi-God! This demiGod label is very

> widely and aggressively

> > preached by the Iskcon followers adn Gurus (acharyas) who claim

> every other philosophy

> > to be useless and inferior except their own. What's more they

> often claim that Shiva is not

> > capable of liberating and that he depends on Krsna to do that.

> Another hilarious belief is

> > that if you app[roach so called demiGods for material benefits,

> then they take something

> > from your next life and give it to you in your this life and

then

> you suffer in next life for it!

> > I challenged all HareKrsna Gurus to prove and show me one verse

> (as they always argue on

> > verses) where Krsna says that and they couldn't comment

anything.

> > Just thought this might be interesting for some one to read.

> > part of the message is loaded in "FILES" section. Also, here is

> the link where the message

> > is located starting near end of the page. To read please copy -

> paste the link below to your

> > browser:

> > http://www.hare-krishna.org/showflat.php?

> >

>

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> fpart

> > =2&vc=1

> >

> > Jai Gurudev!!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Jay Gurudev

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Visit your group "" on the web.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Terms of

> Service.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > India Matrimony: Find your partner now.

> >

>