Guest guest Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 font-family:Arial">When Marxist leader Brinda Karat attacks Swami Ramdev, she is not attacking Ramdev in particular, she is attacking Hinduism in general. font-family:Arial">This guru or that guru makes no difference to her; she is against all gurus. font-family:Arial">Other gurus might think they are safe, that Ramdev committed some sin for which he is paying. But one of them will be the next in the line of fire! Swami Ramdev: Yoga does it font-family:Arial">Hindu gurus are all vulnerable in today's India: The Kanchi Shankaracharya has already been hit. So has Satya Sai Baba. Amritanandamayi has to live under the constant shadow of a hostile Kerala Communist-dominated government. Dhirendra Brahmachari is dead and Sri Sri Ravi Shankar is periodically targeted as the 'Guru of the rich', the 'Glib Godman' etc. font-family:Arial">May I be forgiven my arrogance, but what Indian gurus have to understand is that for Indian Communists, Hinduism is the Number 1 enemy. Mao called religion 'the opium of the people'. But for Indian Communists, what stands between their ambition for absolute power in India (and eventually the triumphant return of Communism in the world -- as Indian Communists believe) is the hold Hinduism has in the hearts of the rural people of India, who constitute 80 per cent of this country. font-family:Arial">Yet, the humble farmer from Uttar Pradesh to Tamil Nadu has a natural understanding of the universality of God, who takes many names throughout the ages who could be Buddha, Jesus Christ, Ram or Mohammad. This humble farmer possesses the knowledge that there is a something deeper than the skin and the mind, and a life beyond death. This knowledge is inbred, it is not in his head, not even in his heart, but in his or her genes from generation to generation. Ramdev vs Karat -- who's right? font-family:Arial">Of course, the English-speaking media is too happy to oblige Brinda Karat and come down hard on gurus with all kind of accusations. font-family:Arial">Before Ramdev, they came down on the Kanchi Shankaracharya, before him on Osho, before him on Dhirendra Brahmachari. You can even go back to Sri Aurobindo, who was accused in the early 1900s by the moderate Congress-controlled press to be a 'fanatic', when he was only demanding total independence from the British long before Gandhi took it up. font-family:Arial">Accusations against Hinduism of superstition, brainwashing, ritualistic ignorance, date back from British missionaries and have been taken up today by the Communists. Yet, Hinduism -- at least the Hinduism which goes beyond the rituals and becomes universal spirituality -- has nothing to do with superstition and conmanship: it is all about science, knowledge and light. font-family:Arial">Look at Pranayama, a science that has known for thousands of years how to harness breath and use it for controlling the mind, for a better, more healthy, more spiritualised life. If you read Osho's books today, you find a lot of solid common sense, wisdom, even light. font-family:Arial">Satya Sai Baba cannot have millions of disciples from the most humble to the Presidents of India without 'something' which is beyond superstition. So goes for Amritanandamayi, Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, Ramdev, or Guruma of Ganeshpuri. font-family:Arial">And why should Brinda Karat target Ayurveda, the most ancient medical system in India still in practice, the first medicine to realise 3,000 years ago that plants and minerals offer the best cure, that many illnesses have a psychosomatic origin, the first to practice plastic surgery on patients? font-family:Arial">In India today, every third shop is an allopathic medical shop, whose profits go to Western multinationals (hello Mrs Karat!) at a time when Ayurvedic medicine is becoming increasingly popular in Western countries, after being disillusioned by antibiotics and other heavy-handed medicines. font-family:Arial">We are witnessing an interesting phenomenon in India today. Some Communists, some Christians, some Muslims and some Congress leaders -- all of whom have nothing in common and often hate each other are united against Hinduism and Hindu leaders. font-family:Arial">In contrast, look at the Hindus: Swami Ramdev himself criticised Sri Sri Ravi Shankar live on television, advising his followers not to practice Art of Living breathing techniques. During the tsunami relief operations in Nagapattinam, disciples of Amritanandamayi and Sri Sri Ravi Shankar nearly came to blows over who would give relief to whom, instead of networking and uniting their efforts. font-family:Arial">And who came to the rescue of Osho when he was maligned to death, or Dhirendra Brahmachari when the entire press came down on him, or Satya Sai Baba, when he was slandered, or the Shankaracharya when he was thrown into jail, or Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, when Javed Akhtar accused him of coming 'from a cave to live in a palace' (and not from a palace to a cave like the Buddha)? None of the previously mentioned. Yet, Indian politicians can commit any crime, have any number of court cases against them, and they still end up as Union ministers and get positive press coverage. font-family:Arial">The greatest curse of Hinduism throughout the ages has been its disunity -- and more than that -- its betraying each other. The British did not conquer India, it was given to them by its warring Hindu princes, jealous of each other. The same is true of Islam: the last great Hindu empire, that of Vijaynagar, was betrayed to the Muslims by the Lingayats. font-family:Arial">I know there is something mysterious and unfathomable in the manifestation of the Divine upon earth, and that each guru has a defined task to fulfill and that the combined task of all the gurus may solve the great puzzle that is this ignorant and suffering earth. font-family:Arial">Thus, it may not be necessary for each guru to communicate with each other. But nevertheless, it is of the greatest urgency today that Hindu leaders unite to save Hinduism, rather than 'each one for his own' that we see today. font-family:Arial">The Catholics have their Pope and his word is binding on all Catholics. Muslims have Prophet Mohammed's words and that binds all of Islam together. Indian Communists have the words of Marx and Lenin, even if it has become irrelevant in Russia, Germany, and also in China. But the poor Hindus have nobody to refer to, so as to defend themselves. font-family:Arial">Yet, if you take the combined people power of Satya Sai Baba, Amritaanandamayi, Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, Swami Ramdev, Guruma of Ganeshpuri, the Shankaracharya of Kanchipuram, and so many others I cannot mention here, it runs in hundreds of millions. font-family:Arial">Again, in all humility and conscious of the limitation of mind compared to some of these great gurus whom I have met, I propose that a Supreme Spiritual Council, composed of at least seven of the most popular Hindu leaders of India, be constituted, maybe under the leadership of Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, the most travelled of all these, the one who has disciples and teachers of all religions, both from India and the West. font-family:Arial">It should be a non-political body, and each group would keep its independence but nevertheless. It could meet two three times a year and issue edicts, which would be binding on 850 millions Hindus in India and one billion over the world. font-family:Arial">Then and then only can this wonderful spirituality which is Hinduism, this eternal knowledge behind the outer forms, the wisdom to understand this mad earth and its sufferings, be preserved for the future of India, and for the future of humanity. font-family:Arial">I bow down to each of these gurus mentioned above and to all those not mentioned, to Swami Vivekananda, the initiator of modern Hinduism, to Sri Aurobindo, the great avatar of the supramental, and to all the great gurus who have graced over the ages, this wonderful and sacred land which is India and beseech them to hear my prayer: Hindus leaders, unite, if you want eternal Dharma to survive. 10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic""> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Swami Ramdev: Yoga does it Hindu gurus are all vulnerable in today's India: The Kanchi Shankaracharya has already been hit. So has Satya Sai Baba. Amritanandamayi has to live under the constant shadow of a hostile Kerala Communist-dominated government. Dhirendra Brahmachari is dead and Sri Sri Ravi Shankar is periodically targeted as the 'Guru of the rich', the 'Glib Godman' etc. May I be forgiven my arrogance, but what Indian gurus have to understand is that for Indian Communists, Hinduism is the Number 1 enemy. Mao called religion 'the opium of the people'. But for Indian Communists, what stands between their ambition for absolute power in India (and eventually the triumphant return of Communism in the world -- as Indian Communists believe) is the hold Hinduism has in the hearts of the rural people of India, who constitute 80 per cent of this country. Yet, the humble farmer from Uttar Pradesh to Tamil Nadu has a natural understanding of the universality of God, who takes many names throughout the ages who could be Buddha, Jesus Christ, Ram or Mohammad. This humble farmer possesses the knowledge that there is a something deeper than the skin and the mind, and a life beyond death. This knowledge is inbred, it is not in his head, not even in his heart, but in his or her genes from generation to generation. Ramdev vs Karat -- who's right? Of course, the English-speaking media is too happy to oblige Brinda Karat and come down hard on gurus with all kind of accusations. Before Ramdev, they came down on the Kanchi Shankaracharya, before him on Osho, before him on Dhirendra Brahmachari. You can even go back to Sri Aurobindo, who was accused in the early 1900s by the moderate Congress-controlled press to be a 'fanatic', when he was only demanding total independence from the British long before Gandhi took it up. Accusations against Hinduism of superstition, brainwashing, ritualistic ignorance, date back from British missionaries and have been taken up today by the Communists. Yet, Hinduism -- at least the Hinduism which goes beyond the rituals and becomes universal spirituality -- has nothing to do with superstition and conmanship: it is all about science, knowledge and light. Look at Pranayama, a science that has known for thousands of years how to harness breath and use it for controlling the mind, for a better, more healthy, more spiritualised life. If you read Osho's books today, you find a lot of solid common sense, wisdom, even light. Satya Sai Baba cannot have millions of disciples from the most humble to the Presidents of India without 'something' which is beyond superstition. So goes for Amritanandamayi, Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, Ramdev, or Guruma of Ganeshpuri. And why should Brinda Karat target Ayurveda, the most ancient medical system in India still in practice, the first medicine to realise 3,000 years ago that plants and minerals offer the best cure, that many illnesses have a psychosomatic origin, the first to practice plastic surgery on patients? In India today, every third shop is an allopathic medical shop, whose profits go to Western multinationals (hello Mrs Karat!) at a time when Ayurvedic medicine is becoming increasingly popular in Western countries, after being disillusioned by antibiotics and other heavy-handed medicines. We are witnessing an interesting phenomenon in India today. Some Communists, some Christians, some Muslims and some Congress leaders -- all of whom have nothing in common and often hate each other are united against Hinduism and Hindu leaders. In contrast, look at the Hindus: Swami Ramdev himself criticised Sri Sri Ravi Shankar live on television, advising his followers not to practice Art of Living breathing techniques. During the tsunami relief operations in Nagapattinam, disciples of Amritanandamayi and Sri Sri Ravi Shankar nearly came to blows over who would give relief to whom, instead of networking and uniting their efforts. And who came to the rescue of Osho when he was maligned to death, or Dhirendra Brahmachari when the entire press came down on him, or Satya Sai Baba, when he was slandered, or the Shankaracharya when he was thrown into jail, or Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, when Javed Akhtar accused him of coming 'from a cave to live in a palace' (and not from a palace to a cave like the Buddha)? None of the previously mentioned. Yet, Indian politicians can commit any crime, have any number of court cases against them, and they still end up as Union ministers and get positive press coverage. The greatest curse of Hinduism throughout the ages has been its disunity -- and more than that -- its betraying each other. The British did not conquer India, it was given to them by its warring Hindu princes, jealous of each other. The same is true of Islam: the last great Hindu empire, that of Vijaynagar, was betrayed to the Muslims by the Lingayats. I know there is something mysterious and unfathomable in the manifestation of the Divine upon earth, and that each guru has a defined task to fulfill and that the combined task of all the gurus may solve the great puzzle that is this ignorant and suffering earth. Thus, it may not be necessary for each guru to communicate with each other. But nevertheless, it is of the greatest urgency today that Hindu leaders unite to save Hinduism, rather than 'each one for his own' that we see today. The Catholics have their Pope and his word is binding on all Catholics. Muslims have Prophet Mohammed's words and that binds all of Islam together. Indian Communists have the words of Marx and Lenin, even if it has become irrelevant in Russia, Germany, and also in China. But the poor Hindus have nobody to refer to, so as to defend themselves. Yet, if you take the combined people power of Satya Sai Baba, Amritaanandamayi, Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, Swami Ramdev, Guruma of Ganeshpuri, the Shankaracharya of Kanchipuram, and so many others I cannot mention here, it runs in hundreds of millions. Again, in all humility and conscious of the limitation of mind compared to some of these great gurus whom I have met, I propose that a Supreme Spiritual Council, composed of at least seven of the most popular Hindu leaders of India, be constituted, maybe under the leadership of Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, the most travelled of all these, the one who has disciples and teachers of all religions, both from India and the West. It should be a non-political body, and each group would keep its independence but nevertheless. It could meet two three times a year and issue edicts, which would be binding on 850 millions Hindus in India and one billion over the world. Then and then only can this wonderful spirituality which is Hinduism, this eternal knowledge behind the outer forms, the wisdom to understand this mad earth and its sufferings, be preserved for the future of India, and for the future of humanity. I bow down to each of these gurus mentioned above and to all those not mentioned, to Swami Vivekananda, the initiator of modern Hinduism, to Sri Aurobindo, the great avatar of the supramental, and to all the great gurus who have graced over the ages, this wonderful and sacred land which is India and beseech them to hear my prayer:Hindus leaders, unite, if you want eternal Dharma to survive. Gothic'"> Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 What u said sound fairly true, but why dont u leave this decisions to the gurus. Im sure they are well aware of this, more aware then we are. I say so only bcoz im a man of little trust when something has been said by someone whom i dont know, someone whos not guru. (And yes, a guru doesnt need to tell anyone i am guru ("sidhast ko kisi ko bataney kee jaroorat nahin hoti ke wo sidh hai") So lets leave it to gurudev. u raised a point, ok fine, but lets keep it there and listen to what gurdev has to say about this. , "Vikram Korde" <vikram.korde@i...> wrote: > > When Marxist leader Brinda Karat > <http://in.rediff.com/news/2006/jan/03karat.htm> attacks Swami Ramdev, she > is not attacking Ramdev in particular, she is attacking Hinduism in general. > > > This guru or that guru makes no difference to her; she is against all gurus. > > Other gurus might think they are safe, that Ramdev committed some sin for > which he is paying. But one of them will be the next in the line of fire! > > <http://in.rediff.com/news/2006/jan/05ramdev.htm> Swami Ramdev: Yoga does > it > > Hindu gurus are all vulnerable in today's India: The Kanchi > <http://in.rediff.com/news/shankaracharya04.htm> Shankaracharya has already > been hit. So has Satya Sai Baba > <http://www.rediff.com/news/1999/mar/16god.htm> . Amritanandamayi > <http://www.rediff.com/news/2003/sep/24amma3.htm> has to live under the > constant shadow of a hostile Kerala Communist-dominated government. > Dhirendra Brahmachari is dead and Sri Sri Ravi > <http://www.rediff.com/news/2005/sep/28franc.htm> Shankar is periodically > targeted as the 'Guru of the rich', the 'Glib Godman' etc. > > May I be forgiven my arrogance, but what Indian gurus have to understand is > that for Indian Communists, Hinduism is the Number 1 enemy. Mao called > religion 'the opium of the people'. But for Indian Communists, what stands > between their ambition for absolute power in India (and eventually the > triumphant return of Communism in the world -- as Indian Communists believe) > is the hold Hinduism has in the hearts of the rural people of India, who > constitute 80 per cent of this country. > > Yet, the humble farmer from Uttar Pradesh to Tamil Nadu has a natural > understanding of the universality of God, who takes many names throughout > the ages who could be Buddha, Jesus Christ, Ram or Mohammad. This humble > farmer possesses the knowledge that there is a something deeper than the > skin and the mind, and a life beyond death. This knowledge is inbred, it is > not in his head, not even in his heart, but in his or her genes from > generation to generation. > > <http://in.rediff.com/news/2006/jan/05msg.htm> Ramdev vs Karat -- who's > right? > > Of course, the English-speaking media is too happy to oblige Brinda Karat > and come down hard on gurus with all kind of accusations. > > Before Ramdev, they came down on the Kanchi Shankaracharya, before him on > Osho, before him on Dhirendra Brahmachari. You can even go back to Sri > Aurobindo, who was accused in the early 1900s by the moderate > Congress-controlled press to be a 'fanatic', when he was only demanding > total independence from the British long before Gandhi took it up. > > Accusations against Hinduism of superstition, brainwashing, ritualistic > ignorance, date back from British missionaries and have been taken up today > by the Communists. Yet, Hinduism -- at least the Hinduism which goes beyond > the rituals and becomes universal spirituality -- has nothing to do with > superstition and conmanship: it is all about science, knowledge and light. > > Look at Pranayama, a science that has known for thousands of years how to > harness breath and use it for controlling the mind, for a better, more > healthy, more spiritualised life. If you read Osho's books today, you find a > lot of solid common sense, wisdom, even light. > > Satya Sai Baba cannot have millions of disciples from the most humble to the > Presidents of India without 'something' which is beyond superstition. So > goes for Amritanandamayi, Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, Ramdev, or Guruma of > Ganeshpuri. > > And why should Brinda Karat target Ayurveda, the most ancient medical system > in India still in practice, the first medicine to realise 3,000 years ago > that plants and minerals offer the best cure, that many illnesses have a > psychosomatic origin, the first to practice plastic surgery on patients? > > In India today, every third shop is an allopathic medical shop, whose > profits go to Western multinationals (hello Mrs Karat!) at a time when > Ayurvedic medicine is becoming increasingly popular in Western countries, > after being disillusioned by antibiotics and other heavy-handed medicines. > > We are witnessing an interesting phenomenon in India today. Some Communists, > some Christians, some Muslims and some Congress leaders -- all of whom have > nothing in common and often hate each other are united against Hinduism and > Hindu leaders. > > In contrast, look at the Hindus: Swami Ramdev himself criticised Sri Sri > Ravi Shankar live on television, advising his followers not to practice Art > of Living breathing techniques. During the tsunami relief operations in > Nagapattinam, disciples of Amritanandamayi and Sri Sri Ravi Shankar nearly > came to blows over who would give relief to whom, instead of networking and > uniting their efforts. > > And who came to the rescue of Osho when he was maligned to death, or > Dhirendra Brahmachari when the entire press came down on him, or Satya Sai > Baba, when he was slandered, or the Shankaracharya when he was thrown into > jail, or Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, when Javed Akhtar accused him of coming 'from > a cave to live in a palace' (and not from a palace to a cave like the > Buddha)? None of the previously mentioned. Yet, Indian politicians can > commit any crime, have any number of court cases against them, and they > still end up as Union ministers and get positive press coverage. > > The greatest curse of Hinduism throughout the ages has been its disunity -- > and more than that -- its betraying each other. The British did not conquer > India, it was given to them by its warring Hindu princes, jealous of each > other. The same is true of Islam: the last great Hindu empire, that of > Vijaynagar, was betrayed to the Muslims by the Lingayats. > > I know there is something mysterious and unfathomable in the manifestation > of the Divine upon earth, and that each guru has a defined task to fulfill > and that the combined task of all the gurus may solve the great puzzle that > is this ignorant and suffering earth. > > Thus, it may not be necessary for each guru to communicate with each other. > But nevertheless, it is of the greatest urgency today that Hindu leaders > unite to save Hinduism, rather than 'each one for his own' that we see > today. > > The Catholics have their Pope and his word is binding on all Catholics. > Muslims have Prophet Mohammed's words and that binds all of Islam together. > Indian Communists have the words of Marx and Lenin, even if it has become > irrelevant in Russia, Germany, and also in China. But the poor Hindus have > nobody to refer to, so as to defend themselves. > > Yet, if you take the combined people power of Satya Sai Baba, > Amritaanandamayi, Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, Swami Ramdev, Guruma of Ganeshpuri, > the Shankaracharya of Kanchipuram, and so many others I cannot mention here, > it runs in hundreds of millions. > > Again, in all humility and conscious of the limitation of mind compared to > some of these great gurus whom I have met, I propose that a Supreme > Spiritual Council, composed of at least seven of the most popular Hindu > leaders of India, be constituted, maybe under the leadership of Sri Sri Ravi > Shankar, the most travelled of all these, the one who has disciples and > teachers of all religions, both from India and the West. > > It should be a non-political body, and each group would keep its > independence but nevertheless. It could meet two three times a year and > issue edicts, which would be binding on 850 millions Hindus in India and one > billion over the world. > > Then and then only can this wonderful spirituality which is Hinduism, this > eternal knowledge behind the outer forms, the wisdom to understand this mad > earth and its sufferings, be preserved for the future of India, and for the > future of humanity. > > I bow down to each of these gurus mentioned above and to all those not > mentioned, to Swami Vivekananda, the initiator of modern Hinduism, to Sri > Aurobindo, the great avatar of the supramental, and to all the great gurus > who have graced over the ages, this wonderful and sacred land which is India > and beseech them to hear my prayer: > Hindus leaders, unite, if you want eternal Dharma to survive. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">May I be forgiven my arrogance, but what Indian gurus have to understand is that for Indian Communists, Hinduism is the Number 1 enemy. Mao called religion 'the opium of the people'. But for Indian Communists, what stands between their ambition for absolute power in India (and eventually the triumphant return of Communism in the world -- as Indian Communists believe) is the hold Hinduism has in the hearts of the rural people of India, who constitute 80 per cent of this country. Yet, the humble farmer from Uttar Pradesh to Tamil Nadu has a natural understanding of the universality of God, who takes many names throughout the ages who could be Buddha, Jesus Christ, Ram or Mohammad. This humble farmer possesses the knowledge that there is a something deeper than the skin and the mind, and a life beyond death. This knowledge is inbred, it is not in his head, not even in his heart, but in his or her genes from generation to generation. Ramdev vs Karat -- who's right? Of course, the English-speaking media is too happy to oblige Brinda Karat and come down hard on gurus with all kind of accusations. Before Ramdev, they came down on the Kanchi Shankaracharya, before him on Osho, before him on Dhirendra Brahmachari. You can even go back to Sri Aurobindo, who was accused in the early 1900s by the moderate Congress-controlled press to be a 'fanatic', when he was only demanding total independence from the British long before Gandhi took it up. Accusations against Hinduism of superstition, brainwashing, ritualistic ignorance, date back from British missionaries and have been taken up today by the Communists. Yet, Hinduism -- at least the Hinduism which goes beyond the rituals and becomes universal spirituality -- has nothing to do with superstition and conmanship: it is all about science, knowledge and light. Look at Pranayama, a science that has known for thousands of years how to harness breath and use it for controlling the mind, for a better, more healthy, more spiritualised life. If you read Osho's books today, you find a lot of solid common sense, wisdom, even light. Satya Sai Baba cannot have millions of disciples from the most humble to the Presidents of India without 'something' which is beyond superstition. So goes for Amritanandamayi, Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, Ramdev, or Guruma of Ganeshpuri. And why should Brinda Karat target Ayurveda, the most ancient medical system in India still in practice, the first medicine to realise 3,000 years ago that plants and minerals offer the best cure, that many illnesses have a psychosomatic origin, the first to practice plastic surgery on patients? In India today, every third shop is an allopathic medical shop, whose profits go to Western multinationals (hello Mrs Karat!) at a time when Ayurvedic medicine is becoming increasingly popular in Western countries, after being disillusioned by antibiotics and other heavy-handed medicines. We are witnessing an interesting phenomenon in India today. Some Communists, some Christians, some Muslims and some Congress leaders -- all of whom have nothing in common and often hate each other are united against Hinduism and Hindu leaders. In contrast, look at the Hindus: Swami Ramdev himself criticised Sri Sri Ravi Shankar live on television, advising his followers not to practice Art of Living breathing techniques. During the tsunami relief operations in Nagapattinam, disciples of Amritanandamayi and Sri Sri Ravi Shankar nearly came to blows over who would give relief to whom, instead of networking and uniting their efforts. And who came to the rescue of Osho when he was maligned to death, or Dhirendra Brahmachari when the entire press came down on him, or Satya Sai Baba, when he was slandered, or the Shankaracharya when he was thrown into jail, or Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, when Javed Akhtar accused him of coming 'from a cave to live in a palace' (and not from a palace to a cave like the Buddha)? None of the previously mentioned. Yet, Indian politicians can commit any crime, have any number of court cases against them, and they still end up as Union ministers and get positive press coverage. The greatest curse of Hinduism throughout the ages has been its disunity -- and more than that -- its betraying each other. The British did not conquer India, it was given to them by its warring Hindu princes, jealous of each other. The same is true of Islam: the last great Hindu empire, that of Vijaynagar, was betrayed to the Muslims by the Lingayats. I know there is something mysterious and unfathomable in the manifestation of the Divine upon earth, and that each guru has a defined task to fulfill and that the combined task of all the gurus may solve the great puzzle that is this ignorant and suffering earth. Thus, it may not be necessary for each guru to communicate with each other. But nevertheless, it is of the greatest urgency today that Hindu leaders unite to save Hinduism, rather than 'each one for his own' that we see today. The Catholics have their Pope and his word is binding on all Catholics. Muslims have Prophet Mohammed's words and that binds all of Islam together. Indian Communists have the words of Marx and Lenin, even if it has become irrelevant in Russia, Germany, and also in China. But the poor Hindus have nobody to refer to, so as to defend themselves. Yet, if you take the combined people power of Satya Sai Baba, Amritaanandamayi, Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, Swami Ramdev, Guruma of Ganeshpuri, the Shankaracharya of Kanchipuram, and so many others I cannot mention here, it runs in hundreds of millions. Again, in all humility and conscious of the limitation of mind compared to some of these great gurus whom I have met, I propose that a Supreme Spiritual Council, composed of at least seven of the most popular Hindu leaders of India, be constituted, maybe under the leadership of Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, the most travelled of all these, the one who has disciples and teachers of all religions, both from India and the West. It should be a non-political body, and each group would keep its independence but nevertheless. It could meet two three times a year and issue edicts, which would be binding on 850 millions Hindus in India and one billion over the world. Then and then only can this wonderful spirituality which is Hinduism, this eternal knowledge behind the outer forms, the wisdom to understand this mad earth and its sufferings, be preserved for the future of India, and for the future of humanity. I bow down to each of these gurus mentioned above and to all those not mentioned, to Swami Vivekananda, the initiator of modern Hinduism, to Sri Aurobindo, the great avatar of the supramental, and to all the great gurus who have graced over the ages, this wonderful and sacred land which is India and beseech them to hear my prayer:Hindus leaders, unite, if you want eternal Dharma to survive. Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 Jay Shiv Shambho!Har Har Mahadev! Hi, let me introduce first as a youngster from a Hindu Family, I really dont know whether this mesage will go in right hands & the reader interprets the message in right manner , but let me express my feelings in this issue... See the names which are indicated the message is definately having their own respect at their own places. But have you notices that where is Hinduism in that .....? Dont go so far long in past just see from our history .... Where is the Hinduism? To whom we should call as a Hindu in todays date? Its really a big question infront of me... I really belive that this situation has came due to some of our so called (Fraud) Gurus & the Majour role played by the Media ofcourse. I dont know what do you think, but let me tell you that thses topics are really captured by International News readers from each class & society & accordingly they interprets the total Indians are like that only... are we really like that? Pls. remember that that this interpretation is not only for any one but for all the persons all Indian's. As per my HINUISM defination to whomsoever staying in the India (HINDUSTAN) should be called as a HINDU without any casts barrier. Ofcourse I am not against any Dharma you called them as Muslim, Christian but if we go to the foundation of these Dharma's & observes it without doing any partiality, we will come to know... & ourself will define them as the Respective Group of Followers ( different ways to reach to the GOD ). for example even in Muslim's with Respect to the Holy Kurana they belive the Prophets before Muhammad & also in same fashion to the Bible. Do all the respective Dharma Granthas tell you to Quarrel with each other , do they tell us to appose each other, do they tell us to kill any human being for our any personal gain. They all guide the Human beings to become a perfect, to enrich our's & other's lives with the peace & grow together. Really I belive that todays date these all the things including the Huminity has vanished from all human beings & some you can say many people are using this Dharma Granthas for their own benifit by putting their evil interpretations infront of the common peoples. And these PITY common peoples follows them looking towards their short term gain without using their brain. Hari Om..... --- Vikram Korde <vikram.korde wrote: > When Marxist leader Brinda Karat > <http://in.rediff.com/news/2006/jan/03karat.htm> > attacks Swami Ramdev, she > is not attacking Ramdev in particular, she is > attacking Hinduism in general. > > > This guru or that guru makes no difference to her; > she is against all gurus. > > Other gurus might think they are safe, that Ramdev > committed some sin for > which he is paying. But one of them will be the next > in the line of fire! > > <http://in.rediff.com/news/2006/jan/05ramdev.htm> > Swami Ramdev: Yoga does > it > > Hindu gurus are all vulnerable in today's India: The > Kanchi > <http://in.rediff.com/news/shankaracharya04.htm> > Shankaracharya has already > been hit. So has Satya Sai Baba > <http://www.rediff.com/news/1999/mar/16god.htm> . > Amritanandamayi > <http://www.rediff.com/news/2003/sep/24amma3.htm> > has to live under the > constant shadow of a hostile Kerala > Communist-dominated government. > Dhirendra Brahmachari is dead and Sri Sri Ravi > <http://www.rediff.com/news/2005/sep/28franc.htm> > Shankar is periodically > targeted as the 'Guru of the rich', the 'Glib > Godman' etc. > > May I be forgiven my arrogance, but what Indian > gurus have to understand is > that for Indian Communists, Hinduism is the Number 1 > enemy. Mao called > religion 'the opium of the people'. But for Indian > Communists, what stands > between their ambition for absolute power in India > (and eventually the > triumphant return of Communism in the world -- as > Indian Communists believe) > is the hold Hinduism has in the hearts of the rural > people of India, who > constitute 80 per cent of this country. > > Yet, the humble farmer from Uttar Pradesh to Tamil > Nadu has a natural > understanding of the universality of God, who takes > many names throughout > the ages who could be Buddha, Jesus Christ, Ram or > Mohammad. This humble > farmer possesses the knowledge that there is a > something deeper than the > skin and the mind, and a life beyond death. This > knowledge is inbred, it is > not in his head, not even in his heart, but in his > or her genes from > generation to generation. > > <http://in.rediff.com/news/2006/jan/05msg.htm> > Ramdev vs Karat -- who's > right? > > Of course, the English-speaking media is too happy > to oblige Brinda Karat > and come down hard on gurus with all kind of > accusations. > > Before Ramdev, they came down on the Kanchi > Shankaracharya, before him on > Osho, before him on Dhirendra Brahmachari. You can > even go back to Sri > Aurobindo, who was accused in the early 1900s by the > moderate > Congress-controlled press to be a 'fanatic', when he > was only demanding > total independence from the British long before > Gandhi took it up. > > Accusations against Hinduism of superstition, > brainwashing, ritualistic > ignorance, date back from British missionaries and > have been taken up today > by the Communists. Yet, Hinduism -- at least the > Hinduism which goes beyond > the rituals and becomes universal spirituality -- > has nothing to do with > superstition and conmanship: it is all about > science, knowledge and light. > > Look at Pranayama, a science that has known for > thousands of years how to > harness breath and use it for controlling the mind, > for a better, more > healthy, more spiritualised life. If you read Osho's > books today, you find a > lot of solid common sense, wisdom, even light. > > Satya Sai Baba cannot have millions of disciples > from the most humble to the > Presidents of India without 'something' which is > beyond superstition. So > goes for Amritanandamayi, Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, > Ramdev, or Guruma of > Ganeshpuri. > > And why should Brinda Karat target Ayurveda, the > most ancient medical system > in India still in practice, the first medicine to > realise 3,000 years ago > that plants and minerals offer the best cure, that > many illnesses have a > psychosomatic origin, the first to practice plastic > surgery on patients? > > In India today, every third shop is an allopathic > medical shop, whose > profits go to Western multinationals (hello Mrs > Karat!) at a time when > Ayurvedic medicine is becoming increasingly popular > in Western countries, > after being disillusioned by antibiotics and other > heavy-handed medicines. > > We are witnessing an interesting phenomenon in India > today. Some Communists, > some Christians, some Muslims and some Congress > leaders -- all of whom have > nothing in common and often hate each other are > united against Hinduism and > Hindu leaders. > > In contrast, look at the Hindus: Swami Ramdev > himself criticised Sri Sri > Ravi Shankar live on television, advising his > followers not to practice Art > of Living breathing techniques. During the tsunami > relief operations in > Nagapattinam, disciples of Amritanandamayi and Sri > Sri Ravi Shankar nearly > came to blows over who would give relief to whom, > instead of networking and > uniting their efforts. > > And who came to the rescue of Osho when he was > maligned to death, or > Dhirendra Brahmachari when the entire press came > down on him, or Satya Sai > Baba, when he was slandered, or the Shankaracharya > when he was thrown into > jail, or Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, when Javed Akhtar > accused him of coming 'from > a cave to live in a palace' (and not from a palace > to a cave like the > Buddha)? None of the previously mentioned. Yet, > Indian politicians can > commit any crime, have any number of court cases > against them, and they > still end up as Union ministers and get positive > press coverage. > > The greatest curse of Hinduism throughout the ages > has been its disunity -- > and more than that -- its betraying each other. The > British did not conquer > India, it was given to them by its warring Hindu > princes, jealous of each > other. The same is true of Islam: the last great > Hindu empire, that of > Vijaynagar, was betrayed to the Muslims by the > Lingayats. > > I know there is something mysterious and > unfathomable in the manifestation > of the Divine upon earth, and that each guru has a > defined task to fulfill > and that the combined task of all the gurus may > solve the great puzzle that > is this ignorant and suffering earth. > > Thus, it may not be necessary for each guru to > communicate with each other. > But nevertheless, it is of the greatest urgency > today that Hindu leaders > unite to save Hinduism, rather than 'each one for > his own' that we see > today. > > The Catholics have their Pope and his word is > binding on all Catholics. > Muslims have Prophet Mohammed's words and that binds > all of Islam together. > Indian Communists have the words of Marx and Lenin, > even if it has become > irrelevant in Russia, Germany, and also in China. > But the poor Hindus have > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2006 Report Share Posted January 19, 2006 If a guru is really is a guru, you don't need to defend him. Guru is higher and mightier than god. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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