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font-family:Arial">When Marxist leader Brinda Karat

attacks Swami Ramdev, she is not attacking Ramdev in particular, she is

attacking Hinduism in general.

font-family:Arial">This guru or that guru makes no difference to her; she is

against all gurus.

font-family:Arial">Other gurus might think they are safe, that Ramdev committed

some sin for which he is paying. But one of them will be the next in the line

of fire!

Swami Ramdev: Yoga does it

font-family:Arial">Hindu gurus are all vulnerable in today's India: The Kanchi

Shankaracharya has already been hit. So has Satya Sai Baba.

Amritanandamayi

has to live under the constant shadow of a hostile Kerala Communist-dominated

government. Dhirendra Brahmachari is dead and Sri Sri Ravi

Shankar is periodically targeted as the 'Guru of the rich', the 'Glib

Godman' etc.

font-family:Arial">May I be forgiven my arrogance, but what Indian gurus have

to understand is that for Indian Communists, Hinduism is the Number 1 enemy.

Mao called religion 'the opium of the people'. But for Indian Communists, what

stands between their ambition for absolute power in India

(and eventually the triumphant return of Communism in the world -- as Indian

Communists believe) is the hold Hinduism has in the hearts of the rural people

of India,

who constitute 80 per cent of this country.

font-family:Arial">Yet, the humble farmer from Uttar Pradesh to Tamil Nadu has

a natural understanding of the universality of God, who takes many names

throughout the ages who could be Buddha, Jesus Christ, Ram or Mohammad. This

humble farmer possesses the knowledge that there is a something deeper than the

skin and the mind, and a life beyond death. This knowledge is inbred, it is not

in his head, not even in his heart, but in his or her genes from generation to

generation.

Ramdev vs Karat -- who's right?

font-family:Arial">Of course, the English-speaking media is too happy to oblige

Brinda Karat and come down hard on gurus with all kind of accusations.

font-family:Arial">Before Ramdev, they came down on the Kanchi Shankaracharya,

before him on Osho, before him on Dhirendra Brahmachari. You can even go back

to Sri Aurobindo, who was accused in the early 1900s by the moderate

Congress-controlled press to be a 'fanatic', when he was only demanding total

independence from the British long before Gandhi took it up.

font-family:Arial">Accusations against Hinduism of superstition, brainwashing,

ritualistic ignorance, date back from British missionaries and have been taken

up today by the Communists. Yet, Hinduism -- at least the Hinduism which goes

beyond the rituals and becomes universal spirituality -- has nothing to do with

superstition and conmanship: it is all about science, knowledge and light.

font-family:Arial">Look at Pranayama, a science that has known for thousands of

years how to harness breath and use it for controlling the mind, for a better,

more healthy, more spiritualised life. If you read Osho's books today, you find

a lot of solid common sense, wisdom, even light.

font-family:Arial">Satya Sai Baba cannot have millions of disciples from the

most humble to the Presidents of India without 'something' which is beyond

superstition. So goes for Amritanandamayi, Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, Ramdev, or

Guruma of Ganeshpuri.

font-family:Arial">And why should Brinda Karat target Ayurveda, the most

ancient medical system in India

still in practice, the first medicine to realise 3,000 years ago that plants

and minerals offer the best cure, that many illnesses have a psychosomatic

origin, the first to practice plastic surgery on patients?

font-family:Arial">In India

today, every third shop is an allopathic medical shop, whose profits go to

Western multinationals (hello Mrs Karat!) at a time when Ayurvedic medicine is

becoming increasingly popular in Western countries, after being disillusioned

by antibiotics and other heavy-handed medicines.

font-family:Arial">We are witnessing an interesting phenomenon in India today.

Some Communists, some Christians, some Muslims and some Congress leaders -- all

of whom have nothing in common and often hate each other are united against

Hinduism and Hindu leaders.

font-family:Arial">In contrast, look at the Hindus: Swami Ramdev himself

criticised Sri Sri Ravi Shankar live on television, advising his followers not

to practice Art of Living breathing techniques. During the tsunami relief

operations in Nagapattinam, disciples of Amritanandamayi and Sri Sri Ravi

Shankar nearly came to blows over who would give relief to whom, instead of

networking and uniting their efforts.

font-family:Arial">And who came to the rescue of Osho when he was maligned to

death, or Dhirendra Brahmachari when the entire press came down on him, or

Satya Sai Baba, when he was slandered, or the Shankaracharya when he was thrown

into jail, or Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, when Javed Akhtar accused him of coming

'from a cave to live in a palace' (and not from a palace to a cave like the

Buddha)? None of the previously mentioned. Yet, Indian politicians can commit

any crime, have any number of court cases against them, and they still end up

as Union ministers and get positive press coverage.

font-family:Arial">The greatest curse of Hinduism throughout the ages has been

its disunity -- and more than that -- its betraying each other. The British did

not conquer India,

it was given to them by its warring Hindu princes, jealous of each other. The

same is true of Islam: the last great Hindu empire, that of Vijaynagar, was

betrayed to the Muslims by the Lingayats.

font-family:Arial">I know there is something mysterious and unfathomable in the

manifestation of the Divine upon earth, and that each guru has a defined task

to fulfill and that the combined task of all the gurus may solve the great

puzzle that is this ignorant and suffering earth.

font-family:Arial">Thus, it may not be necessary for each guru to communicate

with each other. But nevertheless, it is of the greatest urgency today that

Hindu leaders unite to save Hinduism, rather than 'each one for his own' that

we see today.

font-family:Arial">The Catholics have their Pope and his word is binding on all

Catholics. Muslims have Prophet Mohammed's words and that binds all of Islam

together. Indian Communists have the words of Marx and Lenin, even if it has

become irrelevant in Russia,

Germany, and also in China. But the

poor Hindus have nobody to refer to, so as to defend themselves.

font-family:Arial">Yet, if you take the combined people power of Satya Sai

Baba, Amritaanandamayi, Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, Swami Ramdev, Guruma of

Ganeshpuri, the Shankaracharya of Kanchipuram, and so many others I cannot

mention here, it runs in hundreds of millions.

font-family:Arial">Again, in all humility and conscious of the limitation of

mind compared to some of these great gurus whom I have met, I propose that a

Supreme Spiritual Council, composed of at least seven of the most popular Hindu

leaders of India, be constituted, maybe under the leadership of Sri Sri Ravi

Shankar, the most travelled of all these, the one who has disciples and

teachers of all religions, both from India and the West.

font-family:Arial">It should be a non-political body, and each group would keep

its independence but nevertheless. It could meet two three times a year and

issue edicts, which would be binding on 850 millions Hindus in India and one

billion over the world.

font-family:Arial">Then and then only can this wonderful spirituality which is

Hinduism, this eternal knowledge behind the outer forms, the wisdom to

understand this mad earth and its sufferings, be preserved for the future of

India, and for the future of humanity.

font-family:Arial">I bow down to each of these gurus mentioned above and to all

those not mentioned, to Swami Vivekananda, the initiator of modern Hinduism, to

Sri Aurobindo, the great avatar of the supramental, and to all the great gurus

who have graced over the ages, this wonderful and sacred land which is India

and beseech them to hear my prayer:

Hindus leaders, unite,

if you want eternal Dharma to survive.

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Swami Ramdev: Yoga does it Hindu gurus are all vulnerable in today's India: The

Kanchi Shankaracharya has already been hit. So has Satya Sai Baba.

Amritanandamayi has to live under the constant shadow of a hostile Kerala

Communist-dominated

government. Dhirendra Brahmachari is dead and Sri Sri Ravi Shankar is

periodically targeted as the 'Guru of the rich', the 'Glib Godman' etc. May I

be forgiven my arrogance, but what Indian gurus have to understand is that for

Indian Communists, Hinduism is the Number 1 enemy. Mao called religion 'the

opium of the people'. But for Indian Communists, what stands between their

ambition for absolute power in India (and eventually the triumphant return of

Communism in the world -- as Indian Communists believe) is the hold Hinduism

has in the hearts of the rural people of India, who constitute 80 per cent of

this country. Yet, the humble farmer from Uttar Pradesh to Tamil Nadu has a

natural understanding of the universality of God, who takes many names

throughout the ages who could be Buddha, Jesus Christ, Ram or Mohammad. This

humble farmer possesses the knowledge that there is a something deeper than the

skin and the mind, and a life beyond death. This knowledge is inbred, it is not

in his head, not even in his heart, but in his or her genes from generation to

generation. Ramdev vs Karat -- who's right? Of course,

the English-speaking media is too happy to oblige Brinda Karat and come down

hard on gurus with all kind of accusations. Before Ramdev, they came down on

the Kanchi Shankaracharya, before him on Osho, before him on Dhirendra

Brahmachari. You can even go back to Sri Aurobindo, who was accused in the

early 1900s by the moderate Congress-controlled press to be a 'fanatic', when

he was only demanding total independence from the British long before Gandhi

took it up. Accusations against Hinduism of superstition, brainwashing,

ritualistic ignorance, date back from British missionaries and have been taken

up today by the Communists. Yet, Hinduism -- at least the Hinduism which goes

beyond the rituals and becomes universal spirituality -- has

nothing to do with superstition and conmanship: it is all about science,

knowledge and light. Look at Pranayama, a science that has known for thousands

of years how to harness breath and use it for controlling the mind, for a

better, more healthy, more spiritualised life. If you read Osho's books today,

you find a lot of solid common sense, wisdom, even light. Satya Sai Baba cannot

have millions of disciples from the most humble to the Presidents of India

without 'something' which is beyond superstition. So goes for Amritanandamayi,

Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, Ramdev, or Guruma of Ganeshpuri. And why should Brinda

Karat target

Ayurveda, the most ancient medical system in India still in practice, the first

medicine to realise 3,000 years ago that plants and minerals offer the best

cure, that many illnesses have a psychosomatic origin, the first to practice

plastic surgery on patients? In India today, every third shop is an allopathic

medical shop, whose profits go to Western multinationals (hello Mrs Karat!) at

a time when Ayurvedic medicine is becoming increasingly popular in Western

countries, after being disillusioned by antibiotics and other heavy-handed

medicines. We are witnessing an

interesting phenomenon in India today. Some Communists, some Christians, some

Muslims and some Congress leaders -- all of whom have nothing in common and

often hate each other are united against Hinduism and Hindu leaders. In

contrast, look at the Hindus: Swami Ramdev himself criticised Sri Sri Ravi

Shankar live on television, advising his followers not to practice Art of

Living breathing techniques. During the tsunami relief operations in

Nagapattinam, disciples of Amritanandamayi and Sri Sri Ravi Shankar nearly came

to blows over who would give relief to whom, instead of networking and uniting

their efforts. And who came to the rescue of Osho when he was

maligned to death, or Dhirendra Brahmachari when the entire press came down on

him, or Satya Sai Baba, when he was slandered, or the Shankaracharya when he

was thrown into jail, or Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, when Javed Akhtar accused him of

coming 'from a cave to live in a palace' (and not from a palace to a cave like

the Buddha)? None of the previously mentioned. Yet, Indian politicians can

commit any crime, have any number of court cases against them, and they still

end up as Union ministers and get positive press coverage. The greatest curse

of Hinduism throughout the ages has been its disunity -- and more than that --

its betraying each other. The British did not conquer India, it was given to

them by its warring Hindu princes, jealous of each other. The same is true of

Islam: the

last great Hindu empire, that of Vijaynagar, was betrayed to the Muslims by the

Lingayats. I know there is something mysterious and unfathomable in the

manifestation of the Divine upon earth, and that each guru has a defined task

to fulfill and that the combined task of all the gurus may solve the great

puzzle that is this ignorant and suffering earth. Thus, it may not be necessary

for each guru to communicate with each other. But nevertheless, it is of the

greatest urgency today that Hindu leaders unite to save Hinduism, rather than

'each one for his own' that we see today. The Catholics have their Pope and his

word is

binding on all Catholics. Muslims have Prophet Mohammed's words and that binds

all of Islam together. Indian Communists have the words of Marx and Lenin, even

if it has become irrelevant in Russia, Germany, and also in China. But the poor

Hindus have nobody to refer to, so as to defend themselves. Yet, if you take

the combined people power of Satya Sai Baba, Amritaanandamayi, Sri Sri Ravi

Shankar, Swami Ramdev, Guruma of Ganeshpuri, the Shankaracharya of Kanchipuram,

and so many others I cannot mention here, it runs in hundreds of millions.

Again, in all

humility and conscious of the limitation of mind compared to some of these great

gurus whom I have met, I propose that a Supreme Spiritual Council, composed of

at least seven of the most popular Hindu leaders of India, be constituted,

maybe under the leadership of Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, the most travelled of all

these, the one who has disciples and teachers of all religions, both from India

and the West. It should be a non-political body, and each group would keep its

independence but nevertheless. It could meet two three times a year and issue

edicts, which would be binding on 850 millions Hindus in India and one billion

over the world. Then and then only can

this wonderful spirituality which is Hinduism, this eternal knowledge behind the

outer forms, the wisdom to understand this mad earth and its sufferings, be

preserved for the future of India, and for the future of humanity. I bow down

to each of these gurus mentioned above and to all those not mentioned, to Swami

Vivekananda, the initiator of modern Hinduism, to Sri Aurobindo, the great

avatar of the supramental, and to all the great gurus who have graced over the

ages, this wonderful and sacred land which is India and beseech them to hear my

prayer:Hindus leaders, unite, if you want eternal Dharma to survive.

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What u said sound fairly true, but why dont u leave this decisions to

the gurus. Im sure they are well aware of this, more aware then we

are. I say so only bcoz im a man of little trust when something has

been said by someone whom i dont know, someone whos not guru.

 

(And yes, a guru doesnt need to tell anyone i am guru ("sidhast ko

kisi ko bataney kee jaroorat nahin hoti ke wo sidh hai")

 

So lets leave it to gurudev. u raised a point, ok fine, but lets keep

it there and listen to what gurdev has to say about this.

 

 

, "Vikram Korde" <vikram.korde@i...>

wrote:

>

> When Marxist leader Brinda Karat

> <http://in.rediff.com/news/2006/jan/03karat.htm> attacks Swami

Ramdev, she

> is not attacking Ramdev in particular, she is attacking Hinduism in

general.

>

>

> This guru or that guru makes no difference to her; she is against

all gurus.

>

> Other gurus might think they are safe, that Ramdev committed some

sin for

> which he is paying. But one of them will be the next in the line of

fire!

>

> <http://in.rediff.com/news/2006/jan/05ramdev.htm> Swami Ramdev:

Yoga does

> it

>

> Hindu gurus are all vulnerable in today's India: The Kanchi

> <http://in.rediff.com/news/shankaracharya04.htm> Shankaracharya

has already

> been hit. So has Satya Sai Baba

> <http://www.rediff.com/news/1999/mar/16god.htm> . Amritanandamayi

> <http://www.rediff.com/news/2003/sep/24amma3.htm> has to live

under the

> constant shadow of a hostile Kerala Communist-dominated government.

> Dhirendra Brahmachari is dead and Sri Sri Ravi

> <http://www.rediff.com/news/2005/sep/28franc.htm> Shankar is

periodically

> targeted as the 'Guru of the rich', the 'Glib Godman' etc.

>

> May I be forgiven my arrogance, but what Indian gurus have to

understand is

> that for Indian Communists, Hinduism is the Number 1 enemy. Mao

called

> religion 'the opium of the people'. But for Indian Communists, what

stands

> between their ambition for absolute power in India (and eventually

the

> triumphant return of Communism in the world -- as Indian Communists

believe)

> is the hold Hinduism has in the hearts of the rural people of

India, who

> constitute 80 per cent of this country.

>

> Yet, the humble farmer from Uttar Pradesh to Tamil Nadu has a

natural

> understanding of the universality of God, who takes many names

throughout

> the ages who could be Buddha, Jesus Christ, Ram or Mohammad. This

humble

> farmer possesses the knowledge that there is a something deeper

than the

> skin and the mind, and a life beyond death. This knowledge is

inbred, it is

> not in his head, not even in his heart, but in his or her genes from

> generation to generation.

>

> <http://in.rediff.com/news/2006/jan/05msg.htm> Ramdev vs Karat --

who's

> right?

>

> Of course, the English-speaking media is too happy to oblige Brinda

Karat

> and come down hard on gurus with all kind of accusations.

>

> Before Ramdev, they came down on the Kanchi Shankaracharya, before

him on

> Osho, before him on Dhirendra Brahmachari. You can even go back to

Sri

> Aurobindo, who was accused in the early 1900s by the moderate

> Congress-controlled press to be a 'fanatic', when he was only

demanding

> total independence from the British long before Gandhi took it up.

>

> Accusations against Hinduism of superstition, brainwashing,

ritualistic

> ignorance, date back from British missionaries and have been taken

up today

> by the Communists. Yet, Hinduism -- at least the Hinduism which

goes beyond

> the rituals and becomes universal spirituality -- has nothing to do

with

> superstition and conmanship: it is all about science, knowledge and

light.

>

> Look at Pranayama, a science that has known for thousands of years

how to

> harness breath and use it for controlling the mind, for a better,

more

> healthy, more spiritualised life. If you read Osho's books today,

you find a

> lot of solid common sense, wisdom, even light.

>

> Satya Sai Baba cannot have millions of disciples from the most

humble to the

> Presidents of India without 'something' which is beyond

superstition. So

> goes for Amritanandamayi, Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, Ramdev, or Guruma of

> Ganeshpuri.

>

> And why should Brinda Karat target Ayurveda, the most ancient

medical system

> in India still in practice, the first medicine to realise 3,000

years ago

> that plants and minerals offer the best cure, that many illnesses

have a

> psychosomatic origin, the first to practice plastic surgery on

patients?

>

> In India today, every third shop is an allopathic medical shop,

whose

> profits go to Western multinationals (hello Mrs Karat!) at a time

when

> Ayurvedic medicine is becoming increasingly popular in Western

countries,

> after being disillusioned by antibiotics and other heavy-handed

medicines.

>

> We are witnessing an interesting phenomenon in India today. Some

Communists,

> some Christians, some Muslims and some Congress leaders -- all of

whom have

> nothing in common and often hate each other are united against

Hinduism and

> Hindu leaders.

>

> In contrast, look at the Hindus: Swami Ramdev himself criticised

Sri Sri

> Ravi Shankar live on television, advising his followers not to

practice Art

> of Living breathing techniques. During the tsunami relief

operations in

> Nagapattinam, disciples of Amritanandamayi and Sri Sri Ravi Shankar

nearly

> came to blows over who would give relief to whom, instead of

networking and

> uniting their efforts.

>

> And who came to the rescue of Osho when he was maligned to death, or

> Dhirendra Brahmachari when the entire press came down on him, or

Satya Sai

> Baba, when he was slandered, or the Shankaracharya when he was

thrown into

> jail, or Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, when Javed Akhtar accused him of

coming 'from

> a cave to live in a palace' (and not from a palace to a cave like

the

> Buddha)? None of the previously mentioned. Yet, Indian politicians

can

> commit any crime, have any number of court cases against them, and

they

> still end up as Union ministers and get positive press coverage.

>

> The greatest curse of Hinduism throughout the ages has been its

disunity --

> and more than that -- its betraying each other. The British did not

conquer

> India, it was given to them by its warring Hindu princes, jealous

of each

> other. The same is true of Islam: the last great Hindu empire, that

of

> Vijaynagar, was betrayed to the Muslims by the Lingayats.

>

> I know there is something mysterious and unfathomable in the

manifestation

> of the Divine upon earth, and that each guru has a defined task to

fulfill

> and that the combined task of all the gurus may solve the great

puzzle that

> is this ignorant and suffering earth.

>

> Thus, it may not be necessary for each guru to communicate with

each other.

> But nevertheless, it is of the greatest urgency today that Hindu

leaders

> unite to save Hinduism, rather than 'each one for his own' that we

see

> today.

>

> The Catholics have their Pope and his word is binding on all

Catholics.

> Muslims have Prophet Mohammed's words and that binds all of Islam

together.

> Indian Communists have the words of Marx and Lenin, even if it has

become

> irrelevant in Russia, Germany, and also in China. But the poor

Hindus have

> nobody to refer to, so as to defend themselves.

>

> Yet, if you take the combined people power of Satya Sai Baba,

> Amritaanandamayi, Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, Swami Ramdev, Guruma of

Ganeshpuri,

> the Shankaracharya of Kanchipuram, and so many others I cannot

mention here,

> it runs in hundreds of millions.

>

> Again, in all humility and conscious of the limitation of mind

compared to

> some of these great gurus whom I have met, I propose that a Supreme

> Spiritual Council, composed of at least seven of the most popular

Hindu

> leaders of India, be constituted, maybe under the leadership of Sri

Sri Ravi

> Shankar, the most travelled of all these, the one who has disciples

and

> teachers of all religions, both from India and the West.

>

> It should be a non-political body, and each group would keep its

> independence but nevertheless. It could meet two three times a year

and

> issue edicts, which would be binding on 850 millions Hindus in

India and one

> billion over the world.

>

> Then and then only can this wonderful spirituality which is

Hinduism, this

> eternal knowledge behind the outer forms, the wisdom to understand

this mad

> earth and its sufferings, be preserved for the future of India, and

for the

> future of humanity.

>

> I bow down to each of these gurus mentioned above and to all those

not

> mentioned, to Swami Vivekananda, the initiator of modern Hinduism,

to Sri

> Aurobindo, the great avatar of the supramental, and to all the

great gurus

> who have graced over the ages, this wonderful and sacred land which

is India

> and beseech them to hear my prayer:

> Hindus leaders, unite, if you want eternal Dharma to survive.

>

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10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">May I be forgiven my arrogance, but what Indian gurus

have to understand is that for Indian Communists, Hinduism is the Number 1

enemy. Mao called religion 'the opium of the people'. But for Indian

Communists, what stands between their ambition for absolute power in India (and

eventually the triumphant return of Communism in the world -- as Indian

Communists believe) is the hold Hinduism has in the hearts of the rural people

of India, who constitute 80 per cent of this country. Yet, the humble farmer

from Uttar Pradesh to Tamil Nadu has a natural understanding of the

universality of God, who takes many names throughout the ages who could be

Buddha, Jesus Christ, Ram or Mohammad. This humble farmer

possesses the knowledge that there is a something deeper than the skin and the

mind, and a life beyond death. This knowledge is inbred, it is not in his head,

not even in his heart, but in his or her genes from generation to generation.

Ramdev vs Karat -- who's right? Of course, the English-speaking media is too

happy to oblige Brinda Karat and come down hard on gurus with all kind of

accusations. Before Ramdev, they came down on the Kanchi Shankaracharya, before

him

on Osho, before him on Dhirendra Brahmachari. You can even go back to Sri

Aurobindo, who was accused in the early 1900s by the moderate

Congress-controlled press to be a 'fanatic', when he was only demanding total

independence from the British long before Gandhi took it up. Accusations

against Hinduism of superstition, brainwashing, ritualistic ignorance, date

back from British missionaries and have been taken up today by the Communists.

Yet, Hinduism -- at least the Hinduism which goes beyond the rituals and

becomes universal spirituality -- has nothing to do with superstition and

conmanship: it is all about science, knowledge and light. Look at Pranayama, a

science that has known for thousands of years how to harness breath and use it

for

controlling the mind, for a better, more healthy, more spiritualised life. If

you read Osho's books today, you find a lot of solid common sense, wisdom, even

light. Satya Sai Baba cannot have millions of disciples from the most humble to

the Presidents of India without 'something' which is beyond superstition. So

goes for Amritanandamayi, Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, Ramdev, or Guruma of

Ganeshpuri. And why should Brinda Karat target Ayurveda, the most ancient

medical system in India still in practice, the first medicine to realise 3,000

years ago that plants and minerals offer the best cure, that many illnesses

have a psychosomatic origin, the first to practice

plastic surgery on patients? In India today, every third shop is an allopathic

medical shop, whose profits go to Western multinationals (hello Mrs Karat!) at

a time when Ayurvedic medicine is becoming increasingly popular in Western

countries, after being disillusioned by antibiotics and other heavy-handed

medicines. We are witnessing an interesting phenomenon in India today. Some

Communists, some Christians, some Muslims and some Congress leaders -- all of

whom have nothing in common and often hate each other are united against

Hinduism and Hindu

leaders. In contrast, look at the Hindus: Swami Ramdev himself criticised Sri

Sri Ravi Shankar live on television, advising his followers not to practice Art

of Living breathing techniques. During the tsunami relief operations in

Nagapattinam, disciples of Amritanandamayi and Sri Sri Ravi Shankar nearly came

to blows over who would give relief to whom, instead of networking and uniting

their efforts. And who came to the rescue of Osho when he was maligned to

death, or Dhirendra Brahmachari when the entire press came down on him, or

Satya Sai Baba, when he was slandered, or the Shankaracharya when he was thrown

into jail, or Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, when Javed Akhtar accused him of coming

'from a cave to live in a palace' (and not from a palace

to a cave like the Buddha)? None of the previously mentioned. Yet, Indian

politicians can commit any crime, have any number of court cases against them,

and they still end up as Union ministers and get positive press coverage. The

greatest curse of Hinduism throughout the ages has been its disunity -- and

more than that -- its betraying each other. The British did not conquer India,

it was given to them by its warring Hindu princes, jealous of each other. The

same is true of Islam: the last great Hindu empire, that of Vijaynagar, was

betrayed to the Muslims by the Lingayats. I know there is something mysterious

and unfathomable in the manifestation of the

Divine upon earth, and that each guru has a defined task to fulfill and that the

combined task of all the gurus may solve the great puzzle that is this ignorant

and suffering earth. Thus, it may not be necessary for each guru to communicate

with each other. But nevertheless, it is of the greatest urgency today that

Hindu leaders unite to save Hinduism, rather than 'each one for his own' that

we see today. The Catholics have their Pope and his word is binding on all

Catholics. Muslims have Prophet Mohammed's words and that binds all of Islam

together. Indian Communists have the words of Marx and Lenin, even if it has

become irrelevant in Russia, Germany, and also in China. But the poor Hindus

have nobody to refer to, so as to defend themselves. Yet, if you take the

combined people power of Satya Sai Baba, Amritaanandamayi, Sri Sri Ravi

Shankar, Swami Ramdev, Guruma of Ganeshpuri, the Shankaracharya of Kanchipuram,

and so many others I cannot mention here, it runs in hundreds of millions.

Again, in all humility and conscious of the limitation of mind compared to some

of these great gurus whom I have met, I propose that a Supreme Spiritual

Council, composed of at least seven of the most popular Hindu leaders of India,

be constituted, maybe under the leadership of Sri Sri

Ravi Shankar, the most travelled of all these, the one who has disciples and

teachers of all religions, both from India and the West. It should be a

non-political body, and each group would keep its independence but

nevertheless. It could meet two three times a year and issue edicts, which

would be binding on 850 millions Hindus in India and one billion over the

world. Then and then only can this wonderful spirituality which is Hinduism,

this eternal knowledge behind the outer forms, the wisdom to understand this

mad earth and its sufferings, be preserved for the future of India, and for the

future of humanity. I bow down to each of these gurus mentioned above and to all

those not mentioned, to Swami Vivekananda, the initiator of modern Hinduism, to

Sri Aurobindo, the great avatar of the supramental, and to all the great gurus

who have graced over the ages, this wonderful and sacred land which is India

and beseech them to hear my prayer:Hindus leaders, unite, if you want eternal

Dharma to survive.

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Jay Shiv Shambho!Har Har Mahadev!

 

Hi, let me introduce first as a youngster from a Hindu

Family,

 

I really dont know whether this mesage will go in

right hands & the reader interprets the message in

right manner , but let me express my feelings in this

issue...

 

See the names which are indicated the message is

definately having their own respect at their own

places.

 

But have you notices that where is Hinduism in that

.....?

 

Dont go so far long in past just see from our history

....

 

Where is the Hinduism? To whom we should call as a

Hindu in todays date? Its really a big question

infront of me...

 

I really belive that this situation has came due to

some of our so called (Fraud) Gurus & the Majour role

played by the Media ofcourse.

 

I dont know what do you think, but let me tell you

that thses topics are really captured by International

News readers from each class & society & accordingly

they interprets the total Indians are like that

only... are we really like that?

 

Pls. remember that that this interpretation is not

only for any one but for all the persons all Indian's.

 

As per my HINUISM defination to whomsoever staying in

the India (HINDUSTAN) should be called as a HINDU

without any casts barrier.

 

Ofcourse I am not against any Dharma you called them

as Muslim, Christian but if we go to the foundation of

these Dharma's & observes it without doing any

partiality, we will come to know... & ourself will

define them as the Respective Group of Followers (

different ways to reach to the GOD ).

 

for example even in Muslim's with Respect to the Holy

Kurana they belive the Prophets before Muhammad & also

in same fashion to the Bible.

 

Do all the respective Dharma Granthas tell you to

Quarrel with each other , do they tell us to appose

each other, do they tell us to kill any human being

for our any personal gain.

 

They all guide the Human beings to become a perfect,

to enrich our's & other's lives with the peace & grow

together.

 

Really I belive that todays date these all the things

including the Huminity has vanished from all human

beings & some you can say many people are using this

Dharma Granthas for their own benifit by putting their

evil interpretations infront of the common peoples.

And these PITY common peoples follows them looking

towards their short term gain without using their

brain.

 

 

Hari Om.....

 

 

 

 

--- Vikram Korde <vikram.korde wrote:

 

> When Marxist leader Brinda Karat

> <http://in.rediff.com/news/2006/jan/03karat.htm>

> attacks Swami Ramdev, she

> is not attacking Ramdev in particular, she is

> attacking Hinduism in general.

>

>

> This guru or that guru makes no difference to her;

> she is against all gurus.

>

> Other gurus might think they are safe, that Ramdev

> committed some sin for

> which he is paying. But one of them will be the next

> in the line of fire!

>

> <http://in.rediff.com/news/2006/jan/05ramdev.htm>

> Swami Ramdev: Yoga does

> it

>

> Hindu gurus are all vulnerable in today's India: The

> Kanchi

> <http://in.rediff.com/news/shankaracharya04.htm>

> Shankaracharya has already

> been hit. So has Satya Sai Baba

> <http://www.rediff.com/news/1999/mar/16god.htm> .

> Amritanandamayi

> <http://www.rediff.com/news/2003/sep/24amma3.htm>

> has to live under the

> constant shadow of a hostile Kerala

> Communist-dominated government.

> Dhirendra Brahmachari is dead and Sri Sri Ravi

> <http://www.rediff.com/news/2005/sep/28franc.htm>

> Shankar is periodically

> targeted as the 'Guru of the rich', the 'Glib

> Godman' etc.

>

> May I be forgiven my arrogance, but what Indian

> gurus have to understand is

> that for Indian Communists, Hinduism is the Number 1

> enemy. Mao called

> religion 'the opium of the people'. But for Indian

> Communists, what stands

> between their ambition for absolute power in India

> (and eventually the

> triumphant return of Communism in the world -- as

> Indian Communists believe)

> is the hold Hinduism has in the hearts of the rural

> people of India, who

> constitute 80 per cent of this country.

>

> Yet, the humble farmer from Uttar Pradesh to Tamil

> Nadu has a natural

> understanding of the universality of God, who takes

> many names throughout

> the ages who could be Buddha, Jesus Christ, Ram or

> Mohammad. This humble

> farmer possesses the knowledge that there is a

> something deeper than the

> skin and the mind, and a life beyond death. This

> knowledge is inbred, it is

> not in his head, not even in his heart, but in his

> or her genes from

> generation to generation.

>

> <http://in.rediff.com/news/2006/jan/05msg.htm>

> Ramdev vs Karat -- who's

> right?

>

> Of course, the English-speaking media is too happy

> to oblige Brinda Karat

> and come down hard on gurus with all kind of

> accusations.

>

> Before Ramdev, they came down on the Kanchi

> Shankaracharya, before him on

> Osho, before him on Dhirendra Brahmachari. You can

> even go back to Sri

> Aurobindo, who was accused in the early 1900s by the

> moderate

> Congress-controlled press to be a 'fanatic', when he

> was only demanding

> total independence from the British long before

> Gandhi took it up.

>

> Accusations against Hinduism of superstition,

> brainwashing, ritualistic

> ignorance, date back from British missionaries and

> have been taken up today

> by the Communists. Yet, Hinduism -- at least the

> Hinduism which goes beyond

> the rituals and becomes universal spirituality --

> has nothing to do with

> superstition and conmanship: it is all about

> science, knowledge and light.

>

> Look at Pranayama, a science that has known for

> thousands of years how to

> harness breath and use it for controlling the mind,

> for a better, more

> healthy, more spiritualised life. If you read Osho's

> books today, you find a

> lot of solid common sense, wisdom, even light.

>

> Satya Sai Baba cannot have millions of disciples

> from the most humble to the

> Presidents of India without 'something' which is

> beyond superstition. So

> goes for Amritanandamayi, Sri Sri Ravi Shankar,

> Ramdev, or Guruma of

> Ganeshpuri.

>

> And why should Brinda Karat target Ayurveda, the

> most ancient medical system

> in India still in practice, the first medicine to

> realise 3,000 years ago

> that plants and minerals offer the best cure, that

> many illnesses have a

> psychosomatic origin, the first to practice plastic

> surgery on patients?

>

> In India today, every third shop is an allopathic

> medical shop, whose

> profits go to Western multinationals (hello Mrs

> Karat!) at a time when

> Ayurvedic medicine is becoming increasingly popular

> in Western countries,

> after being disillusioned by antibiotics and other

> heavy-handed medicines.

>

> We are witnessing an interesting phenomenon in India

> today. Some Communists,

> some Christians, some Muslims and some Congress

> leaders -- all of whom have

> nothing in common and often hate each other are

> united against Hinduism and

> Hindu leaders.

>

> In contrast, look at the Hindus: Swami Ramdev

> himself criticised Sri Sri

> Ravi Shankar live on television, advising his

> followers not to practice Art

> of Living breathing techniques. During the tsunami

> relief operations in

> Nagapattinam, disciples of Amritanandamayi and Sri

> Sri Ravi Shankar nearly

> came to blows over who would give relief to whom,

> instead of networking and

> uniting their efforts.

>

> And who came to the rescue of Osho when he was

> maligned to death, or

> Dhirendra Brahmachari when the entire press came

> down on him, or Satya Sai

> Baba, when he was slandered, or the Shankaracharya

> when he was thrown into

> jail, or Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, when Javed Akhtar

> accused him of coming 'from

> a cave to live in a palace' (and not from a palace

> to a cave like the

> Buddha)? None of the previously mentioned. Yet,

> Indian politicians can

> commit any crime, have any number of court cases

> against them, and they

> still end up as Union ministers and get positive

> press coverage.

>

> The greatest curse of Hinduism throughout the ages

> has been its disunity --

> and more than that -- its betraying each other. The

> British did not conquer

> India, it was given to them by its warring Hindu

> princes, jealous of each

> other. The same is true of Islam: the last great

> Hindu empire, that of

> Vijaynagar, was betrayed to the Muslims by the

> Lingayats.

>

> I know there is something mysterious and

> unfathomable in the manifestation

> of the Divine upon earth, and that each guru has a

> defined task to fulfill

> and that the combined task of all the gurus may

> solve the great puzzle that

> is this ignorant and suffering earth.

>

> Thus, it may not be necessary for each guru to

> communicate with each other.

> But nevertheless, it is of the greatest urgency

> today that Hindu leaders

> unite to save Hinduism, rather than 'each one for

> his own' that we see

> today.

>

> The Catholics have their Pope and his word is

> binding on all Catholics.

> Muslims have Prophet Mohammed's words and that binds

> all of Islam together.

> Indian Communists have the words of Marx and Lenin,

> even if it has become

> irrelevant in Russia, Germany, and also in China.

> But the poor Hindus have

>

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